In 2023, the cloud will take networking jobs (and kill Cisco)?
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- Опубліковано 15 лип 2024
- What will the cloud do to Cisco and networking jobs?
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00:50 - Thomas Scheiber introduction // How Cloud has changed
03:02 - Networking is important in the Cloud
04:27 - Networking is not going away
05:26 - The roadmap to learning Cloud
09:05 - Should I learn AI for Cloud? // How AI can help with the Cloud
10:57 - Security for Cloud
11:25 - Certifications for Cloud
12:37 - Will Cloud destroy Networking?
14:45 - How are data centers changing?
16:50 - Where to start
17:28 - The future of Cloud
19:53 - Virtualisation of physical infrastructure
21:22 - Conclusion
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What will the cloud do to Cisco and networking jobs?
Big Thank You to Cisco for sponsoring my trip to Amsterdam and this video!
// Menu //
00:00 - Coming Up
00:50 - Thomas Scheiber introduction // How Cloud has changed
03:02 - Networking is important in the Cloud
04:27 - Networking is not going away
05:26 - The roadmap to learning Cloud
09:05 - Should I learn AI for Cloud? // How AI can help with the Cloud
10:57 - Security for Cloud
11:25 - Certifications for Cloud
12:37 - Will Cloud destroy Networking?
14:45 - How are data centers changing?
16:50 - Where to start
17:28 - The future of Cloud
19:53 - Virtualisation of physical infrastructure
21:22 - Conclusion
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Great video! Cisco leadership is pretty bad. Hence the poor performance of the company as a whole. Also their recruiting department is terrible.
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People act like if the cloud isnt a bunch of servers connected 🤣
They are physically connected, but they are logically controlled. The control plane is 99% of the network admins work, configuring is obsolete when a simple point system automated by cloud is just evolution.
@@tdang9528 I agree, however, to install, maintain and troubleshoot network connections, we still need network engineers, but yes, we need to evolve our knowledge to know how the edge connections are centrally controlled and dynamically configured.
Jaja, es verdad. No creo que el trabajo de redes se termine por las arquitecturas en la nube 😅
@@tdang9528 how can I join the cloud ☁️
It is. But it only works with decent software and hardware and Cisco is not it 😅
Cloud won't kill Cisco, absolutely outrageous pricing and foolish license practices will.
Cloud doesn't work without traditional networking let's be honest SDN and MPLS is still used
Great interview I agree, networking ain’t going anywhere. I always thought of networking as a good foundation.💯
Thank you! Agreed :)
Fantastic interview. Thanks Thomas and David for bringing it to us.
Hi David ,You always share amazing info . Looking forward to have more from you in Cloud Domain.
you have opened my eyes , thank you
Thank you, David and Thomas for sharing your perspective on this subject. 🙂
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thomas rocks as always!!! Cisco is not going anywhere. Cloud is the network, and the network is Cisco!!!!
excellent interview, ty!
As a cloud network automation engineer, I've seen a shift in mindset of devops folks to just have networking delivered to them as a service. Core networking, however important, will no longer be enough and you will need to learn a whole lot of new workflows, delivery systems etc. Especially if companies are moving to Cloud and reducing their on-prem footprint, somebody skilled at deploying automated configuration is preferred over someone only having CLI experiences on different vendors.
Network design people will also have to shift focus from traditional core/access setup to Cloud network design and work with devops side to understand service dependencies, granular access controls, observability/monitoring/logging setups.
Thanks, David, & Thomas. "routing is not going away'. Great to hear. I'll be able to sleep tonight.
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Thank you very much for enlightenment via the interview.
You're welcome Abdulsamad!
Great interview.
Excellent and interesting video, as always David. Thanks
Glad you enjoyed it
Thankyou David! 😊
You're welcome Ankita!
thanks for this david. it was very insightful
Very happy to hear that!
Daviiieee You keep me up and improving everyday✌
Thanks for your Sharing
It's mid 2024, and this video isn't aging very well so far. If you look at where things were a few years ago and look at where things are now, there is a clear trend toward fewer and fewer networking jobs.
Great Interview!
4:10-4:27
Well, that answers my question on the future of networking.
It’s really awesome ❤..thanks man
Glad you enjoyed the video Adeeb!
Great Interview.. Great insights for planning ahead
Glad you enjoyed the interview Samuel!
Thanks David. great interview. Can you make a video how we can start with cloud networking? the steps to cloud networking.
Thanks David, Great Interview and questions, hope for more in the future
Thank you Ruvim! Glad you enjoyed it!
If networking positions go away, who are they going to blame?
Hello David.
Well said, "you have to be flexible to learn new technologies"
I have been following you since 2012. You started with hardcore networking and now you talk about anything and everything happening in IT field.
Glad to hear on this topic from you.
Thank you for watching my videos for so long! 😀
I own a SmB and we are a systems integrator doing primarily cisco.. 17 years and I see, we still need the traditional knowledge, cloud eliminates a lot of the technical challenges, brings projects on-board much faster and staff are more able to potentially expand their portfolios .. business side, less trial/error, much more documented/structured approach and in fact you can make more money whilst lowering per project costs (volume).... it's exciting to have the challenge.. for younger people , still need your foundation before going into things like devnet, cyber etc...
Thanks very informative
You're welcome! Glad you enjoyed the video
My physical networking knowledge helped me transition into cloud.You have to know networking in order to do cybersecurity and cloud security.
What are the steps I should take to learn cybersecurity? I have no experience in IT.
As an aws employee from a network background , networking is not going away but it will be more or less reduced to a service as routing becomes more application centric and it is easy to master a service vs a domain like how networking was before , hence learning networks wont be enough and you need to know so much more know and get more comfortable with automation if not master it .This is a huge upset for people who have gathered 4-5 CCIEs over the span of their career as they would have fared better if they would have just learned Python.
Automation makes it easier to brake more things faster. You need the knowledge and fundamentals to use the took of automation effectively.
The thing is, for traditional networking that resists the cloud will become obsolete, most can be done with IaC, much simpler and efficient. I work in sales, government workers do not want to learn anything, it's an unfortunate thing to see.
Would you recommend mastering automation and python?
@@j.vosier6786 you definitely want to learn network automation. It's getting harder to do repetitive tasks in any corporation.
Why python . What would that be useful for? Which jobs?
What a great interview! Yesterday I was looking for job opportunities and I notice that Cisco+AWS is a combination required for some companies. I will keep that in my mind. Thank you for the content.
Glad it was helpful Ismael!
Hi David. I'm your big fan from Taiwan. I watched several of your videos and you mentioned the importance of DevNet Associate numerous times. I completely agree with your points as network automation is the trend in network engineering. I had passed my CCNA and my next step is to prepare for DevNet Associate. Will you open any new courses on Udemy focusing on the DevNet exam preparation or any training for this test? I'll really appreciate that.
Great share
Thank you Shahzaan!
This has been a great interview! However I disagree that all providers are the same. As each of them have there own particular offerings. However what I do agree with is the fundamental understanding of the cloud is the same across all providers.
Great interview. In my opinion I think it's good to have base knowledge of routing and switching. Then now you can take any path be it cloud, security. Networking is not going anywhere.
Cloud can't exist without routing
Networking is way more than routing and switching. If that's your only knowledge you just have a touch of the basics.
@@villakantershof-qb3fj basics is what you use to build on complexities
@@melvinoxl3589 so why only routing and switching? Why not load balancing, web proxies, email, Ids, ips etc. People are always so focused on routing and switching and saying that is a base. No it's not. It's just 2 subjects of the many many many more. Theres no 2 subjects that count as a base. That is just your personal opinion.
@@villakantershof-qb3fj routing and switching is in fact a base if you will. The stuff you list, email, web proxies, etc.. those are services and that's at a different layer. Those services cannot exist without routing and switching, but r&s can definitely live without them. Load balancing is a service however at the base level, it's routing and switching. It's always been referred to as routing and switching.
I have done Networking, Security, and Operating Systems (Linux, Windows etc) for the past 10 years and the cloud was so so so easy to jump into with my past skills. So, if you really want to enjoy the cloud and take things easy, it's better if you learn the traditional IT stuff including N+, Security, and some good language. Also, could you try to learn some IDE tools... to advice my little self, I will still learn the traditional N+ & IT before going into cloud eng. :)
Well bro i am student in clg and rit now I learnt the basics of cisco like ip address configuration , ping etc; and I am interested in that field but many videos suggest cloud over networking and do you think this cisco networking would be useful ? 😅 . If u have any idea share some
@@krishwanthkishore8299 Yes, Cisco networking will be very useful especially when you have to combine networking and other components. An example is VPN and how they work in the cloud to any On prem station. You will find it useful when setting up complex network solutions on the cloud...
@@thehub4techlife144 so learning networking would help me to understand cloud basics faster than a newbie , right ? 🤔
@@krishwanthkishore8299 Yes and a few scripting languages which are all or moatly part of networking. A plus will be Linux and Windows commands..
@@thehub4techlife144 how much coding do we need to know?
I have A+, N+ and was considering CCNA, Should i skip CCNA? and get AWS?
Not all but a big part of it
CCNA
DevNet Associate
Cloud
Automation
I’m watching this video while studying and pulling my hair from how hard the CCNP Enterprise is 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
Seems like we are finally going towards IBN Intent Based Network with AI, people are now more interested in predictibilty
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helleo david just a question when we buy liscence CML could we use it eve-ng
ah... he's a really interview... be nice to have him for a longer format talk
You are interviewing a Cisco guy, of cause he will say it won't go away. I think it is matter of time. Remember, routing protocols has been there since 1980s and it is based on a old store-and-forward scheme; and layer 2 technology is even older and still using spanning -tree algorithm. In my personal opinion, yes, adding automation and AI will help manage the network infrastructure, but the underneath networking technologies have been reaching their limitation. Change is inevitable and it must be replaced by some better technologies and the role of network engineer will change. In the future, we all are network programmer instead of network engineer. Think outside the box.
Cisco will just be an edge device for sdwan plug n play. AWS, AZURE networking concepts are the future.
unless Cisco becomes a Cloud Provider too. Dang!
@@brandoparedes4305 that would be game changer. they already started with cloud certifications. wait till they catch up and lead.
Networking is more important than ever. In networking, you're going to be the center no matter what you're going to do. Why don't I believe this guy?
Will you cover any Cisco security products on your channel? Would love to get a run down of platforms like Secure Networks Analytics
Great suggestion!
Will you please create the video on sase
How to get into new domain in networking or cyber security just through certifications since the companies look for experience???
They also said ipv6 was going to takeover too...
CISCO is more important than ever. AWS Advanced Networking is for analyst. If you are to be a CLOUD ENGINEER; it is CISCO and only CISCO for example, CCIE. Networking is more important than ever. Young people definitely need to get CCNA , now.
Any Information on GPT 4
No, in my prediction, the data will have to pass trhough the servers of the Embassies as a Router before leaving the country to ensure legal and security compliance
As a network engineer by trade, good. The customers and adjacent/fellow IT members can no longer blame every fuqn thing on earth on "the network!". Let them blame AI or the cloud now. Being "the network guy" is the most shit on position in all of IT and I'm glad it's being put out of its misery.
lol... I think a lot of network engineers would agree with you 😂
@@DavidBombalTech if they don’t they’re part of the problem. I’m sorta pointing my career towards cloud Sec. I won’t miss networking for the most part
@@DavidBombalTech if they don’t they’re part of the problem. I’m sorta pointing my career towards cloud Sec. I won’t miss networking for the most part
@@TheDoWhathow would u do the transition? may i know what u have in mind as a plan?
As someone who has an A+ and Net+ I always wanted to be a network engineer or related role, but now with all this cloud talk I dunno what to do? risk going down the Network route for now and get my Cisco certs? and then transition to cloud? or Go for cloud now? and try and beat the hoards before Networks phase out? Whats the timeframe in this phase out? 10-15-20 Years?
I’m in the same boat. I want to be a network engineer, but now I have concerns that networking opportunities are slimming down. Now I’m thinking I should start learning cloud to stay competitive
i'm actually getting that network cert first.. Net+ or CCNA is a good foundation as the root of the cloud is IT networks. After that, i'm going with python, just enough to do simple stuff before going with AWS while working on a network engr or admin job.
Cloud also includes networking and aws has advanced networking speciality course so we need networking thats the base for everything. I started my networking journey few months ago and once I complete ccnp enarsi I’m planning to learn aws advanced networking? Is this a good idea? Or should I learn something else also.
Networking will always be the underlay,cloud is just overlay built on virtualization....so networking isn’t going anywhere..it is basic infrastructure of cloud
@@quonxinquonyi8570 indeed you just have to look for the right courses
@@Ehelio go for software defined networking...every thing from driverless vehicles to fog computing will be through sdn...the whole infrastructure of 5g is managed through sdn and kubernetes
@@quonxinquonyi8570 haha dude stop dreaming.
I am still unable to understand the correct roadmap to secure my future in this, I have learned Routing and Switching, am certified in CCNA, and CCNP(Encore), and understood MPLS, and have about 5 years of experience in it but, it seems like I do not have many skills to sustain in this field, can anyone help me in choosing next thing to learn to secure my career, I was planning to learn SD-WAN & SDA more but half part of my mind is saying to learn Automation(Linux & Python). What should I choose to learn 'SDWAN & SDA' or 'Automation(Linux & Python)' or just keep getting more experience with what I have?
You already have network experience. You just need to enhance it. Get your CCNA Devnet or AWS Solutions Architect Associate
Good and even excellent start. Imagine automating repetitive tasks such as adding ports to VLANs or something similar.
Is getting the comptia network + a terrible choice for networking, doing some research everyone says get ccna ??
If you want to become a network engineer or work in a networking role, I would recommend CCNA.
May anyone please suggest a cloud computing road map for the logical transformation after the CCNA and CCNP enterprise? Thank you.
I got AWS Solutions Architect Associate and AWS Advanced Networking after CCNP Enterprise.
@@enriquegabriel7708 Thank you so much sir, finally someone is able to answer me.
My query is, is this a constructive path? Because you were in Cisco, then moved to AWS. Would the Cisco devices configuration be used? Or is it more of a start-over?
Do you do Cisco routing and configuration and so on? Or not?, rather AWS configuration?
@@JKRowl it depends. Because the networking foundation you get through Cisco can be used in any Cloud vendor. The names change, but the concepts remain the same. IPSec, ACLs, BGP, VRFs, all that is used in the cloud and no better than Cisco to teach those concepts.
And, you can either deploy Cisco products in the Cloud (e.g. CSR1000v) or not, depending on your company. But either way, I don't regret the path I took. I've met plenty DevOps Engineers that implement terrible network infrastructure in the cloud because they didn't take the time to master these fundamentals.
@@enriquegabriel7708Hello sir can you please tell me where can I start my CCNA course, thank you
I am graduating student and currently learning CCNA, if i pass my CCNA is it good to study and get certificate about cloud or proceed to CCNP?
Same here and also confused between CCNP and cloud
The cloud is not going to kill Cisco because agencies that have more stringent security requirements (i.e, CIA, DIA, FBI, DEA, DoD, Armed Forces, etc...) will always conduct their business on-premises OR via an internal agency hybrid cloud that does not touch commercial/private entities.
Granted, there will be some aspects of SDN that will take root, but overall, security through on-premise support isn't going anywhere...
they said ATM/Frame Relay will never go away...
R&S is going away, connections will just be done differently. Therefore the routing is pretty much gone
I work as network engineer in a big big company. I am responsible for the ACI Fabric. But the Management keeps telling us that "in the end of 2024 we shut down the Datacenter" so yes...networking will have a very hard time the next few years...
And you'll see in 2034 they will be deploying Data Centers again because the costs of AWS will become just something impossible. I started to see that already.
Hey that happened to us too! But your campus will still need a direct connect with vpn failover and also the inter AWS routing and VPC peering or the like. Additionally the access layer and WLAN will always need someone to manage. PPDIOO will always be needed and that’s where your skills become valuable
As someone who builds actual cloud data centers. No, not really. And much of what is done in physical data centers is still done in a cloud environment.
As I see it, when I started my engineering career 15 years back I was working on engineering, later management decided to give us some project management work as well. Later I worked in system integration and operations so lot of networking as well. Later virtualization came, automate everything, DevOps so now companies think that 1 person will design and run everything some even expect to code the application running on some infra (built with IaaC preferably) so I think best it to start running own services or start selling hotdogs coz the money is not worth anymore...
I think some of the topics that you are discussing with Cisco mayor roles and others regarding if this or that will kill or die makes no sense at all my mate and are a bit confusing and dont bring any good to the new generations. Just remember that every industry and technology is and will depend forever in networking parts and protocols, and will never be able to be independent from networking.
What you should discuss with key persons around the world is, what other technology can help network engineers be more productive and future ready for the new incoming Technolgies like Cloud, Automation, Cyber Security, Network security and even network programmability except CCNA. We all know that CCNA is the foundation and brings alot of good things for IT engineers, but always we have to prepare for future trends. And last thing but not the least, if you have worked for years in Networking, everything else will be easier to learn and operate even programming. So cheers to your new meetings with big people.
Cloud wont kill Cisco! but surely brings lots more job opportunities than Cisco used to bring 10-20 years ago. There's a shift in technologies and things are changing really fast so if you just want to study Cisco and say thats it thats my career path..then you need to re-think again. Although I know people with CCIE and very few other Certifications and they make 250k+ but apart from that for most people now days if you really want to shine and speed up career progression Cisco and other certifications is by far the best way to go if you are truly serious about your future and kind of stand out when a recruiter sees your profile.
People realizing there're so many other networking equipment vendors who have killer product portfolios seems like a much bigger threat to Cisco than the cloud.
Juniper for sure...
like what ???
@@charlesincharge1517 Ubiquiti to name one
Nobody in the video or comment section is talking about clearance. You can not get hired by AWS, Azure or any other public cloud without it and yet no one brings it up.
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Thank you!
I disagree, people keep forgetting there are still Later 1-4 that needs the connection, even for the cloud.
David my sister's final essay to get her psychology degree disappeared-she had saved it on the cloud . She phoned the Cloud Services Help Line and they had no clucking clue how to get it back. SHe had to rewrite her whole essay-studying psychology through SACAP.
How do you think your business will "talk" to the cloud if there is no networking devices between the two...
Exactly. I like to ask the questions I get asked by the community. Hence these types of questions. You saw Thomas' reaction to that question.
The internet or a circuit leased from the cloud provider. There's no more jobs in L2&3, you're kidding yourself if you think there is.
@@Mr_Sh1tcoin I earn my life doing L2,L3,L4 stuff for the 99.9% of the people who uses it, but don't understand a thing about it - you included it seems.
Not really. Cisco owns Meraki and Viptela. It may lose market share but they will still be a player
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Doesn’t Cisco have a cloud solution like Azure or AWS?
The cloud is not the edge. It's as simple as that.
Um okay but the clouds is literally a major security risk for some companies tho. I wouldn’t want my personal shit stored in someone else’s private storage even tho I deleted them they never really get deleted that’s kinda weird
Networking will always be important....data centers aren't going anywhere. Companies will always have them...most will have both cloud and local DC's.
The cloud will kill Cisco? YES!!!!
...There is no cloud. It's just someone else's computer.
if you have internet at home, guess what you are the cloud. These people make simple stuff sound so complicated and convuluted. The cloud has always been there. Only difference, more tools, more apps, more services.
Yeah, lets ask Cisco about it lol
Cloud will take all information of local networks data and afterwards sell it
Didn't the days of a fixed network end with Covid? Surely SD-WAN feels wrong now days. only benefits my employees 50% of the time when they are in the office. we need the benefits 100% of the time. Seems the security guys pitch on SSE is a lot more viable moving forward. Sorry SASE....
Excessive licensing meshed with overly convoluted network design marketing will kill Cisco. Less is more, flatter simpler faster physical network infrastructure with complexity in virtual infrastructure is the antithesis of Cisco's mad push to overload their customers with licensing costs.
How will anything kill cisco when the world is moving to an embedded systems approach 🙃
If you don't working on l2 devices, you are not network guy at all, as simple as that
Sorry for network guys. DEV Ops was created to manage automation infrastructure. Programmers are taking over. Cisco will live as long as they push hardware to these cloud providers and ISP's
So tell me how does a whole organization connect to the internet and access their cloud’s systems?
@@smakersify all medium to big companies are moving to cloud services. I m not saying network engineering will disappear. What I m saying most positions will be diminished. As corporations are moving from data centers to the cloud, the networking is sold as a service. ISPs will do that as well. It is just an issue of lowering costs.
Cloud will kill Cisco... But what is the cloud made of?
Linux servers hooked up to Juniper equipment.
There is more than 1 “cloud”
Cloud will not kill Cisco. Cloud is killing entry-level jobs in the US. Companies outsource network management, services, etc.
too much manpower/effort to maintain those network devices
Idk why are we even having this discussion because cisco revenue will be doubled
wtf do u mean how do cloud servers connect together hmm??!!! kinda dumb ngl cloud is not vape that runs a website its just a non on premise datacenter
Ummm Networking is the foundation of any Network! Ohhh wowwww. And guess what, no network, no cloud, no Internet. "Cloud", as the CISCO guy said, is a way how to operate a network, but it has all the classic building blocks we know already since the beginning of time. There are networks, there are servers that can do stuff. Nothing changed. And fortunately there are enough parameters that can go wrong and nothing will be predictable by an AI. Sure, you can see if errors increase on a line and then predict if there might be an issue. But you can't predict an excavator ripping through a few thousand fibres. Alone the title of this video is cringe already. It is populistic. A "How did the cloud define and changed Networking" would be spot on. Why the need of this "The Sun" type title? Does Rupert Murdoch write the scripts now?
iac, declarative provisioning, automation, networking is dead, cli is dead, cloud will take over same crap we've been hearing for 10 years now yet we are still discussing it. Strange, no?
I didn't visit this video to watch and sure enough I didn't watch even a second I only came to say this "IN YOUR FUCKING DREAMS"