PLEASE NOTE - -I have not made an Addendum before for a video, its basically an additional follow up after a piece of work to explain inconsistencies, update information or expand the existing original work. This usually follows when any such problems were detected too late to correct the main work. I can see that this could be a useful ongoing practice for me on any video, where perhaps questions or information in a video that I thought was clear turns out not to be, or perhaps one aspect is highlighted by viewers that warrants further discussion? Do you think this is a good idea? tell me below.
Dear L09; Thank you for being so mindful of your viewers. This directly reflects your passion for precision and accuracy. Looks like you have been busy since you recovered your voice. Glad to have you back buddy. And yes. 'Tis a good idea.
I was planning to potentially remake a few older vids like the Necron and Eldar potentially so was going to talk about that then, or I will do some other Eldar thing at some point
I'll admit I was quite intimidated by the sheer size of the 40k lore, but I work a 12 hour shift job with headphones allowed so listening to these as I work is a blessing from the emperor
@@Luetin09 That conversation in particular REALLY makes me wonder what Angron could have become if he'd not had the nails in his head. How much less insane may he have been without them? Would he have turned traitor? Etc.....All that speculation is fueled along by the World Eaters being my favorite traitor legion.
Thunder Cricket what a actually sent angron over the edge wasn’t the nails or life in a gladiatorial arena, the the emperor denying him the chance to save his fellow gladiators/friends
40k is so wild and weird, variability and interpretation is part of the charm- I don't think you have to justify your good faith approach and personal favoritism- the effort you put into these is without question- an inconsistency at your level of analysis and presentation is just an element of the myth of it all. I see your work as labours of love about a cool thing many people enjoy- you are succeeding, I'm stoked whenever you put something out.
"Case and point. Disney star wars." Ouch man. As a legends lover you're striking below the belt there! At least I still have the emperor and hive Luetin...
I'm not even a Star Wars fan, but I was I would still be raging. Its disgusting how they just torched years of crafting. But heyyyyy gotta makes those movies ehhh - soft reboot and all that bollocks.
@@Luetin09 Im still a pretty hardcore fan. I have done and will continue to do star wars rp with the passion I always have. But my mates and I never bring up disney unless to mock it. I am convinced that if they just followed the legends novels the new movies would have been great. Some of the charcters are fantastic and the story is well written. Instead we got a politically inspired movie with two directors both taking the movies in VASTLY different directions and now there is a rift in the fan base. Its comical, I am not even angry anymore. I am way past that and I am now resting with a cold indifference. Never did I expect that to be the case. Sorry for the little rant! Thoroughly enjoyed your video.
@@TheIfifi If theyd made Karpyshins Darth Bane trilogy into movies _properly_ it would have been amazing. I dont want Disney touching Darth Bane now. Or any of the other EU stories. Screw Disney/LucasFilm, their spitefiction isnt even canon anyway.
These last two videos of yours about the Emperor really have changed my perspective on the whole adeptus administorum/emperor and his faults/ his mistakes. Really well-thought-out and descriptive explanations of everything. Needless to say I can't even look at the Emperor in the books and lore the same way now! So good job man lol 👍
here's a great quote for you from Master of Mankind, that displays the Emperor hasn't got a clue whats going down: E: 'The warp will forever be a cancer in the heart of all humans. The Imperium may last a hundred years, or a thousand, or ten thousand. But it will fall, Diocletian. It will fall. The shining path is lost to us. Now we rage against the dying of the light' D: ‘My king, what now? What comes next?’ The Emperor turned away, walking into the darkness of the cavern while the storm hammered the dead city so far above. He spoke three words that no Custodian had ever heard Him speak before. E: ‘I don’t know.'
That Angeron quote gave me chills--I have been reading through the Horus Heresy novels (about to finish Fulgrim), so I've seen Angeron and his World Eaters in action a few times so far. Up until now, I have only seen him as a raging, blood-lusting maniac who is fueled by nothing more than bloodshed, but to get a look into his pained inner mind is sobering and tragic. The Emperor forced him to become what he is; I am realizing more and more that nobody is truly good or evil in 40k--it's all muddled shades of grey--and I think it's fascinating. Thank you for being the spark igniting my love for this intriguing universe, LT!
You'll enjoy the book I took the quote from, 'Betrayer'. Be sure to check out the short book 'World Eaters'; which covers Angron's reunion with his Legion, and how Kharn managed to convince him to lead it.
Glad you liked it - it shows, even with Butcher's Nails in his skull, Angron's rather perceptive and surprisingly eloquent. You'll enjoy the book I took the quote from, 'Betrayer'. Be sure to also check out the short book 'World Eaters'; which covers Angron's reunion with his Legion, and how Kharn managed to convince him to lead it.
If you will allow me to quote the late Sir Terry Prattchet: "I believe you find life such a problem because you think there are good people and bad people. You're wrong, of course. There are, always and only, the bad people, but some of them are on opposite sides."
It is pretty clear to me: Chaos is fuelled by emotion, not beliefs or thoughts. i.e. just because you strongly believe in the concept of gravity doesn't mean a deity of gravity is formed. The emotions and feelings are the fire or the water; the associated intellectual thoughts and ideas are the colour of the flame or dye in the water. They mean nothing without the raw energy of emotion, only providing flavour to each emotional instance or circumstance. Worship, actively calling out to personifications of emotion and supernatural deities thus doesn't fuel the gods; but it does get their attention. That is what the ignorance of the Imperial Truth tried to accomplish. A stopgap measure to reduce the chance of the gods being able to contact directly and influence humanity, and be actively invited into out universe; but doing nothing to check their power. Because it not our ideas and thoughts that needed to be tamed, but our emotions. And despite the Emperor saying he wasn't a god and everyone should be secular, he essentially expected to be treated as one in his lifetime. No disagreement with his dictats is allowed under pain of death. Every single one of his decisions are made with little or no reasoning/explanation to his subjects, and with the expectation they will be obeyed absolutely. At Nikaea, when he banned the use of psykers in the Legions after hours of impassioned debate from all sides, he simply pronounced his decision to enforce a ban, censure Magnus, and left, with no explanation of his reasoning. He is as aloof and as unimpeachable as a god, and demands a similar level of obedience as the most draconian deity. Even before the Imperial Cult, the Emperor had cultivated the most fanatical and unquestioning personality cult ever. And what is unquestioning obedience, if not the very definition of faith?
As someone who isn’t really into warhammer past the video games and the occasional lore video. I got to say these videos are fantastic, you tell a story while explaining everything along the way and you make it interesting. Honestly I could watch these videos over and over because of you and how well you’ve made them. Please don’t let anyone tell you otherwise. You legit make me want to know more, it’s brilliant.
An old Cherokee is teaching his grandson about life. “A fight is going on inside me,” he said to the boy. “It is a terrible fight and it is between two wolves. One is evil - he is anger, envy, sorrow, regret, greed, arrogance, self-pity, guilt, resentment, inferiority, lies, false pride, superiority, and ego.” He continued, “The other is good - he is joy, peace, love, hope, serenity, humility, kindness, benevolence, empathy, generosity, truth, compassion, and faith. The same fight is going on inside you - and inside every other person, too.” The grandson thought about it for a minute and then asked his grandfather, “Which wolf will win?”
The old Cherokee simply replied, “The one you feed.” ********************************************************* The warp is much like this too. The Emperor was - in his insistence of destroying other faiths, not looking towards the well-being and happiness of his citizenry and plunging head-first into a bloody war of conquest - feeding the wrong wolves. The proof of this is the Warp Entity attached to the Tau's "Greater Good", created by the emotions the Gue'vesas and other warp impacting species allied to the Tau. This Entity has assisted Imperial forces in the past. Still too many questions as to the real motivations of this Entity, though this positive emotional focus is an important factor. It begs the question of the Warp Entity that would have obviously coalesced around the worship of the Emperor. Is the Emperor and this Entity linked in any meaningful way? Does the continuing existence of the Emperor impact this Warp Shadow? Will the Immortal known as the Emperor of Man have to beat the Chaos Entity that has been built up by the Imperial Religion? Or was the Emperor *always* this Warp entity?
Yep...exactly. Getting rid of the *misuse of religion* as opposed to *getting rid of religion* would have been the better way to go by far. Using religion as an excuse for cruelty? Censure such acts. Using religion as a reason to better the lives of people without prejudice? If only the gods of the warp had received so much more of this instead. Perhaps Tzeentch, for example, would have been no worse than Coyote. Or Slaanesh might have functioned more as the Greek Muses did rather than as a sadomasochist. More moderated, in other words. The reason the Primordial Truth was abhorrent was because we MADE it so and the Emperor fanned the flames into an utter inferno.
@@Victorgreat4 its not meant to say there are two independent characters at work in your mind but rather to say that whether you lean towards selfishness or selflessness you will eventually strengthen the favored mindset and weaken the other. This all leads to becoming more comfortable with and more frequently using one mentality over the other
And we see a nurgling in his prime, what will be his journey this day? Will he munch on the brains of a freshly killed guardsman or burrow into his chest cavity and explode him while he's still alive... let's watch...
The depth of this story is so complicated, it mirrors real life so well that it could very well be real for someone seeing it that didn’t know better. It had literally taken on its own life and the story just writes itself. I can’t get enough of 40k! I literally watch and read everything I can get my hands on. The original game has been WAY overshadowed by the lore now You’re one of the best lue!
This is why I love 40K, it's almost like history and historical accounts. User interpretation and understanding and gets people talking, sharing and getting dragged deeper into it, just like real history - not to mention all the real history mixed with the fantasy
On the gods’ need for worship, the source you are probably looking for is the extract from magister Volans’s third letter to the Colleges of Magic (found in the fourth book of Liber Chaotica, chapter ”Arcane and Divine Magic”). A summary for anyone not having access to Liber Chaotica: The in-universe author is the Supreme Patriarch of the Colleges, so a guy who know knows his stuff but agrees that current knowledge of Chaos is still lacking. “If all the gods and daemons are manifestations of the mortal world’s thoughts, dreams and feelings, then could this not explain why they react so readily to the faith of those who worship them? Could it be that some (or perhaps all) gods actually need the faith of mortals to maintain their unique identities, and so are drawn to particularly strong demonstrations of faith both to feed off and to do things that will encourage even greater levels of faith in the supplicant?”
I would say in the end belief is all that matters, the warp is a 4th dimension comprised of raw emotion energy, that energy is what shapes it's environment, hate anger fear rage will create a horrible place , "hell" if you would. If all warp sensitive creatures would have only allowed love peace tolerance and empathy to be the emotional response then the warp would most likely be a form of "heaven" or a beautiful perfect representation of those emotions. The one you feed is probably the best choice of words to describe this thing! Well done, and I appreciate the info
This right here is why luetin is the best 40k lore channel on this site. Mans went and made a addendum just to answer some criticism and correct some parts of the video shows he cares about the quality of the video and wants to make sure the facts he's presenting are in fact true
While I do mostly agree , like 95%. I see the concept of faith a bit different in regards to the Warp. As in that faith seems to work more as a magnifier for core emotions/thoughts. And thus it is a more powerful and more sustainable source of energy for the chaos gods/warp creatures. What makes me think this is three things: First is the great game itself wherein the battle more often than not is equably about denying the other gods power, as it is about taking it for yourself. And this more often than not takes the form of disrupting the other gods plans, amke them look weak compared to you, or simply making their worshippers uncertain that the are following the "right god". Secondly I loook at the way that the chaos cultists devoted to a single god act. As in they make themselves as best they can, avatars for a specific blend of emotions/thoughts and thusly proved better sustenance for their chosen god, while at the same time trying to not give sustenance to the other gods. Thirdly I think about the fact that there have been warp enteties on atleast demigod/demon prince level of power, made from the focused belief, of at times just a single planet and or system/cult. This in itself should show that faith and belief is more potent than just random and unfocused emotions. Here I am pretty convinced that this was in some way how the Eldar made their gods, trough concetration, focus and **** tons of psycic power. And I think this works when viewing religon/worship as a mangifier. I kind of look at it like the difference between light reflecting of a discoball(normal human with changing emotions/thoughts) and a laserpointer focused on one singular point/emotion. The difference in energy would be quite large, and thusly it is the quality of sustenance that is different, the relaibility of it, and its duplicating effect(faith spreads, willingly or not) that is the real cause why the chaos gods are so enamoured by faith. But other than that I absolutely agree that "faith" as a seperate concept makes little to no sense both in universe and outside it. But as in most things when it comes to 40k this is just my interpreation. Great series on the emperor btw, without a doubt one of the more interesting takes on him I`ve heard, gg :)
Yeah I think the concept of faith and worship of gods in 40k contributes to or magnifies a god's power. You give the perfect example of the Eldar gods, who are also the Ork gods. Some background: Khaine and the Laughing God are also Gork and Mork. Both the Eldar and Orks were created by the Old Ones to fight the Necrontyr millennia ago, where each race was given psychic powers to hurt or outright kill Star Gods. Over time, the Orks have forgotten the origins of their gods as the brain boyz died out (Orks can't even remember which god is supposed to be which!), while the Eldar are too proud to acknowledge their shared history with such a barbarian race. Either way, both gods seem to be emboldened by belief, stemming mostly from Orks (where things come true so long as Orks believe them to be true). The Laughing God especially seems to maintain power, as Chaos have been trying to kill the Great Harlequin since the fall of the Eldar. Personally, I'm more and more inclined towards the Age of Sigmar hypothesis: the universe reincarnates itself under new types of physics with the champions of the old iteration becoming the gods of the new universe. We know the Age of Sigmar comes after Warhammer's End Times. I think Warhammer 40,000 is a previous version of the universe that existed before Warhammer Fantasy. 40k may even be the original universe, since it's where Slaanesh first became a god. It seems the reason the Emperor can't destroy Chaos by destroying religion is because Chaos has likely been playing the Great Game for a very long time in a previous cycle. Khorne, Tzeench, and Nurgle have maintained their spots in the pantheon because they've been gods longer than the age of the universe. The Emperor is like a woodpecker trying to chop down an entire forest. The other reason I can think of is that Chaos exists outside the Milky Way, whereas humanity hasn't even set foot on the majority of planets that inhabit the galaxy. Maybe there's Chaos worship out beyond the void? Maybe that's why Tyranids showed up: they aren't invading, they're running away from a galaxy taken over by Khorne.
Love the star wars reference,I am a star wars fan myself. lol. Your videos have turned me into a fan of Warhammer 40k. Especially your emperor series videos. I myself watch them on multiple occasions. Well done.
as someone with NO understanding of Warhammer, before starting this series, youve done a great job so far. Youve also changed your stance on the origin story of the Emperor of Man. These are great, informative well done. I was watching a video last night and was thinking it looked like it was on the History Channel. Great work.
What's great about 40k lore and how you present it in particular, including in this episode, is that it isn't solid or set in stone. You have your philosophical presentation of what's true and important, as well as your own agenda, which includes any changes of mind or even what you would label as your own mistakes or inaccuracies, and you can be confident that no apology is necessary for that.
30 yrs ive been into 40k read just about everything, have a compendium made from early rouge traders and own and have read every heresy novel to date. But this content hits every button and scratches every itch . Well done on taking on such a monumental task i hope for many many more. Bravo
From what I know the Chaos gods don't need worship to sustain themselves. But it dose helps them connecting to the material plain and getting said emotions a faster and more efficiant way. Basicly If normal emotions are suplys in a transport than worship is basicly the highway instead of a normal road.
I always thought through my reading and my understanding that strong emotions and acts both feed chaos. This is just how I understood it from what I’ve read.
The emperor is your typical fedora tipping reddit atheist who smuggly chuckles at religion while having terrible political opinions that cause more suffering than religion does in the current year. Prob thinks Bill Nye is an actual scientist.
@Andrew-ho4vq the irony being that this is the most *fedora tipping reddit post* on this video. Which is on par, yall seem to always project that shit
Strikes me that if The Emperor had really wanted to weaken chaos, he would have striven for a more equitable and peaceful galaxy. Rage, jealousy, scheming, illness ultimately stem from an unmet need. Ironically by imposing his somewhat naive vision he is only making chaos stronger (if indeed it's feelings that feed chaos). Far from being the savior of mankind, he is it's doom. He himself is the ultimate god of chaos because he perpetuates the environment for them to thrive.
Funny thing about 40k, is that of course the Emperor is a horrible tyrant that in our universe wouldn't be ideal at all. The entire point is that these actions are only just barely acceptable because the 40k universe is *just that horrible*. Another interesting point is that as revealed in The Buried Dagger, up until Magus broke through his webway project the Emperor thought the powers of chaos were sealed away. So maybe he was attempting to avoid humans turning *him* into a god. Eldrad has also referenced that they were both aware of a greater threat to the galaxy than chaos, one that would require both humans and eldar to overcome.
2 years later, but I think the verdict is still out as to whether politicians bickering every 4 years to lead nations is more effective than having a leader who consolidated his power and no longer needs to waste time convincing people to follow his vision which is simply humanity's survival.
I'm not going to lie, I basically just use these videos as bbackground sound whenever I drive somewhere, but even still the sheer amount of information and the attention to detail makes these some of my favorite videos
Thank you for sharing these videos with us. Me personally, i require your support in explaining this vast and immense universe. I would not be able to get into this universe without these videos.
I don't know if it was intentional but you just pushed me closer to chaos affiliation. Especially with the conversation Russ was having considering the emporer and "slavery"
He is a preacher of the Primordial Truth basically. Chaos is inevitable and unstoppable? We must live with it? Sounds like it. But I also agree with embracing Chaos, maybe not to the "flay a million people" level, but it must me used.
neither chaos or emperor.. (as they are essentially the same thing) ''do what we want or else''.. nah leaning a bit more to tau wich does the same thing ''do what we want or else'' but its for the greater good of mankind on my semi-forgeworlds starsystem protected by its own chapter, its a friendlier version of ultramar.. (people get good food, warm clothing, have their weekends off , have their retirements and are overall pretty happy. even our soldiers are happy to get the good stuff superheavy tanks, body-armor,weaponry and they have their own uplifting primer. getting to fight along my salamanderlike human friendly chapter.. no one is interested in worshipping chaos or the emperor, fully aware of the dangers they live a good life.. an utopia surrounded by a galactic dystopia i can make my own stuff up, geedubs does it all the time).
for me it has become clear that life in Warhammer 40k is a fight and that to win it you need to be cunning and brutal and brutal and cunning. Gork and Mork are the way to go.
Your right about 40k ever evolving and often contradictory. Like you I've been into it since the 1990's. I've probably read near a 100 books from Gaunt to the Heresy, the massive amount of characters, cabals, species, planets and organisations in 40k is impossible to fully comprehend. All I know is your work is well researched, thorough, creative and most importantly entertaining!! The people that nit-pick at arbitrary inconsequential lore will always do so weather discussing 40k or flower arranging. I know much of what you talk about having read it myself, yet I am always entertained and look forward to your awesome posts.. Hjolda Brother I sense your choler is rising 👐🏼
I greatly look forward to seeing your content! Please keep it up ! You are one of the best Warhammer 40k Lore guy on youtube, I recommend you to all my 40K friends!
Man these videos are cool. Been playing Chaos Gate 2 and listening to these in the background, it's *exactly* what I was looking for when it comes to an indepth history/lore view of the 40K Universe. I knew about a lot of this stuff but even for a long-time fan such as me these have stuff even I haven't heard of! :D
I think if you look at the Emperor through the lens of Dune, on which he is largely based, admit he is a type of Kwisatz Haderach, his simetimes erratic behavior makes more sense. He isn't one man man but a multitude of people exsisting simultaneously within one consciousness. The personalities conflict with each other, with their different goals and ideologies, rising and falling in a never ending struggle to govern. This is also an easy meta solution to the Emperor being authored by multiple people with different personalities and goals for the character.
Luetin your dedication to posting 40k lore and content is incredible. After collecting w40k as a child and playing many of the video games it was you who inspired me to get into the novels just bought my first 3 and I'm very happy to see they're great. Thankyou for your service
Thanks Luetin. I've watched your videos many times over, and still every time I find them interesting and have new thoughts about the subject matter. In my view, I agree that the Emperor knew he couldn't destroy the chaos gods by removing faith. But he knew that removing faith leaves one less thing to worry about. And the reason is that faith is an easy target for chaos to manipulate. A devout religious person will have faith to their core, like you said. But chaos can easily, through suggestions and small influences, corrupt that person. They can slowly, over long periods of time alter the persons idea of what they should be doing to honor their god. You find it today in religions, where people believe in the same god, but the way they serve that god differs. The difference are, for the most part, not an issue. As it is just different interpretations, and their acts are not wrong within the understanding of their religion. But you get the other, dangerous side of the coin. If you are not careful, you could move off the correct path. **(I don't want to make this a religious debate, so bare with me on this)** So, back to 40K. When the differences of your acts within your faith are driven by influences from chaos, you could end up with a person who still believes in his god, but his acts and associated emotions have been swayed over time into immoral or "dangerous" behaviour. Even though this person still believes to his core that he is serving his god, his acts and emotions are now completely different to what they should be, and are now fueling chaos, without the person realising this. And over time this person can be so consumed by the corruption, that he could turn completely to chaos. Basically a long, slippery slope. So in the end, it is easier to take a religious person and corrupt their religion, than to try and take someone that doesn't believe in anything, that only relies on science and rational thinking, and turn them towards a faith, a corrupted faith. But like you said, this didn't present a hurdle to chaos, they just stepped around this. And I think the emperor knew they would, but like I said in the beginning, he just wanted one less area to battle chaos in. And that area was the faith and religions of man that gets corrupted. It is worth it though to ask the question, what is evil, and what are bad acts that fuels chaos? It doesn't take a corrupted, religious person to be evil. Any person has the capasity to do good and evil, and chaos can be fed thru the acts of non-religious people as well. Anyway, a bit of a ramble, but hope it makes sense. This is a tricky subject, but I think you have summed it up perfectly. Thank you Luetin. Keep the videos coming. They are amazing, and they really get my mind working and I find it refreshing to think of all these different scenarios and thoughts that different people have. 🤘🏻
Nearly every single Space Marine or Imperial citizen that was manipulated by Chaos was someone who believed in something outside of The Imperial Truth. Also, I think when Chaos refers to The Emperor as Anathema, they are referring to the fact that he was capable of returning The Warp to its original benign form. I think you're skipping well over the very idea that the Chaos gods were created because of the way The Warp works. Sure, religion in 40k doesn't power The Warp gods directly, but the very idea of having concepts toward which emotions are focused is the very problem that causes Chaos. Even people with no religion target their emotions toward concepts. For the Eldar, sex, pleasure, suffering, and pain were concepts that their emotions were pointed toward, hence Slaanesh, but religion forces the concepts to exist whilst non-religion at least allows the possibility that the emotions are not conceptualized or focused toward archetypal concepts. Regardless, great video as always, and I really enjoy your content! You do your research and I appreciate how eloquent and thought-out these videos are.
I really like this other view on the actions of the emperor. I really like the concept of the Emperor of Man being more human in his actions and choices. It shows that like the rest of humanity, he's got an ego. So I really liked this whole series in the Emperor of Man.
A lot of this hinges on if feelings and thoughts are somehow separate when it comes to the warp. In my opinion psykers are a prime example of why i think they are intrinsically linked. A psyker of enough strength could shape the warp to do his bidding with his will alone. Yeah, they probably had a strong emotion to what they where doing to manifest it, but it was his thought that guided the power to the ends he wanted. Of course 40k is pretty inconsistent on how psyker powers work, considering all the authors who have touched on the subject. I can see the warp and it's reason for existing might be as different as those who write stories and add to the cannon itself.
Absolutely amazing content; I have a hard time sitting down and just listening to someone speak for long periods of time, but I can listen to you speak for hours on end.
New to warhammer. Introduced due to space marine 2, and I’ve been watching your videos. They are so cool and really fun to watch and listen to as you seem to compile the vast information in an understandable way. Thanks and long live the emperor
I very much enjoyed the format of this. I didn't particularly have an issue with your previous video on the matter, but this was certainly a good and valid way to answer concerns and explain how you go about things. I absolutely love the channel, and it has turned my passing interest in the 40k universe into something more.
"I do not know why I had to genocide all of them. All I know is Father would just keep repeating 'It's free real estate.' and wouldn't cease until I went through with the genocide." -Every Primarch
Leutin Thanks to make your videos not only a nice and interesting experience, but also a very fufilling thing, you transform all this thoughts that you have flying around in your head and set them in order to create this amazing and very philosofical interesting videos, as always thank you very much, HOPE TO SEE MOREE !!!
A thought: The Emperor went to the Last Church to debate as a test to see if logical reasoning could be an alternative to brute force in converting people. It failed: the last priest marched into the flames of his own burning church. And so, the Emperor continued to conquer and never tried persuasion again. Discuss.
Its a nice thought, but it seems a little unfair to make a blanket decision on how to act from that day on... Then again maybe the Emperor was like ... THATS IT! Ive had enough of these religious types BURN THEM ALL... oh wait... we're back to the whole hypocrisy again lol
Sara Lieberman My main takeaway from the Last Church is that the Emperor and the priest are both right and wrong on different points and thus no one really learned anything as they were so entrenched in their positions and were speaking past each other, but as an outside observer reading their conversation I could piece together where they had common ground, but they could not or would not see that themselves. All too human and stubborn.
@@Luetin09 think of religion as parasite in human mind. one may be brutal with the way they remove it and some see this as "hypocrisy" as you put it but its simply not.
@@chapteriv3053 That does not change the fact that, if you use the same brutal methods as the holy men, you are still no better than the holy men. Fighting for the greater good does not excuse that, the holy men were, after all, fighting for their own interpretation of the greater good.
@@ajirawa5729 i would gladly use brutal ways to remove chronic infestation. we do not need fictional history for how religion fucked humanity over permanently. at this point there is no turning back but i would've more than happy to give my last breathe to see it go extinct for good. from your statement i think you live in a more peaceful country with more understanding people. let me give you advice do not go anywhere near muslim people.
I'm binge watching your videos for few days and man, I really enjoy it. I'm way too poor to buy the tabletop game but this universe and way you describe is fascinating. Also, as a non native english speaker I really enjoy your vocabulary and storytelling ability.
You sir, are a consummate professional. I find your perspective on most things fit right along with my own. You give us so much excellent content that in my opinion you should never have to defend your interpretation or perspective from anyone. You have always made everything completely clear. Thank you for HOURS of entertainment.
Is it just me, or is crusading against religion to weaken the chaos gods incredibly idiotic because the act of crusading would strengthen the chaos gods? Khorn would benefit due to the bloodshed, Tzeentch would benefit from the change of getting rid of religion, Nurgle would benefit because literal virus bombs, and Slaanesh would just be missing out. On that note, BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!! SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE!!
Khorne is perfectly happy if you just insta-kill someone into gory spatters like shooting a rocket at them in Doom, even if the victim doesn't feel a thing. But if there's a lot of suffering in the death, and the perpetrators revel in that at all, then Slaanesh gets to join the party too.
In 40 millennium there is only war, well done Emperor you created the perfect galaxy for chaos to thrive. Hardly likely this happened by accident and no this was just as bad before the Heresy.
I’m paraphrasing here: “The gods of the warp reached out not so much as sentient, goal-oriented beings, but just as small pin pricks of anger here and there, each one a domino falling towards their sentience.” Amazing work, man. That’s exactly the sense I got, that humans (and the Eldari in the form of Slaanesh) birthed the gods by small reactions to an overall sense of disquiet in the warp. It’s only because humans are so quick to react to those negative emotions that a critical mass was able to develop.
Maybe. I’m new to the 40K community, but in my short time here I have herd a theory that states it’s actually the orks keeping the emperor alive as they believe him to be a powerful god of the humans and because if orks believe something to work/be true then it is.
I got back into 40k recently I knew none of the lore before I got back into the hobby about 3 months back and since then your videos have only deepened my interest and love of 40k so thanks for the content and keep it coming because I can’t get enough of it
The Emperor is the first, best example of humanity. All of it. Let me explain. Big E, Empy-man here, is probably the ur-example of what humanity is. The greatness the being of humanity can become. The strength, the intellect, the will, the power and the good of humanity. But humanity is not just the above. Humanity is brutal, ugly, animalistic, greedy, despotic, and evil. And The Emperor is indeed all of that, in a different point of view, bastardizing a common meme from another IP. And that living corpse on that stolen eldar toilet is the ur-example of all of that. His chosen path of light is not inherently "good" or "evil" on that malformed, sliding, shortsighted and misplaced scale of human morality. To be more accurate, he represent Order, versus Chaos. Why is he called The Anathema? Order is not inherently good or evil (using that misplaced human morality again), and Chaos is the same. It is, to us, easier to apply that morality easily and call Emperor good and Chaos evil because we're human and that's our frame of reference. He isnt good. Chaos isnt evil. He is Order to Chaos. I'll leave it at that.
A good quote to remember about any field of study: "While I have endeavored to describe things as they appeared to be, I am conscious of having been unable to avoid the usual proportion of errors, for which I beg indulgence, and which I leave for others who shall pursue the same path of investigation to correct."
@@lloydgush How do you prevent something that never really happened until after you tried to prevent it? Chaos literally united to mess with him since the primarchs were made. Chaos undivided was never mentioned on terra from the age of technology to strife.
@@U9B well, I clearly never said it worked, maybe he was tricked into doing it by tzeench, or just made a calculated mistake... Certainly there's chaos undivided but it's way too eager to shoot itself in the foot, maybe that was his point.
@@lloydgushHe wasn't tricked. The Emperor made the error in hubris where he thought he could play the great game better than the powers could and they mocked him by having him nearly killed, stuffed on a throne, and made into a God while the imperium plays the great game with Chaos. The game is the perpetuate ebb and flow of influence they wager against each other for fun and now the emperor is the 5th player. A God. Something he lied to everyone he wasn't. Logar must be laughing hysterically. Chaos existed in the imperium but no where near the amount the enclaves had. The emperor forced cultist into hiding for the most part but it was the crusade that eventually brought them out upon Horus Heresy. Chaos undivided was a concept that truly didn't exist because the powers stop playing the game to play the game on the emperor instead proving they can unite. The emperor gambled on everything by never telling anyone but Malcador what he was up to. Who is he going to hide that information from? The powers can see and hear everything everywhere ever said anywhere at any time. They united to break the throne in the first place and made sure its key component and heir Magnus was unfit to take its place. They wanted it broken and the emperor perpetually on it keeping him out of the game as an active piece. Thinking about it Magnus was the single most important person in the entire heresy.
loved your point on canon in relation with star wars. as someone who collected and read the entire star wars legends and canon book collections, i totally understand exactly your point. it can be frustrating at times to seperate the two or to relate tales that come between the two continuities. it can be even more difficult to reconcile some characters that appear in both continuities who in my mind are not the same person. such as a character like thrawn. disney has made him an art loving sevant with a love for the details and for standing up for the little guy. the legends thrawn is an art loving sociopathic psychopath who loves fascism and riddles while trying to slaughter a path to eradicate the new republic. i was a warhammer fan as a kid before i was mature enough to understand the depth of the story and complexities of how it is put together. now i am going back and digging into the novels and i seriously appreciate your videos and the aid they have given me. in my star wars collection i have come to find that even though i love the legends novels above all else, that its ok to enjoy the content disney has put out too and that this is ok and does not spit in the face of what was built before disney. i look forward to all the discovery of the warhammer story as well
Wow... As an academic theologian Im wery impressed of your definition of faith and the distinction between worship and faith. Really spot on, even out side the 40k universe😉 Good job with doing addendums for your previous videos. Shows that you care about your content.
As a newcomer to the 40k universe trying to get some basic understanding before delving into the books, I very much appreciate your videos. I have to chuckle hearing your comments about references. I have a masters degree in counterterrorism studies, and not a day went by on social media- not a DAY- that some idiot ordered me to “turn in my degree” (not a real thing, by the way) because the literal FOCUS OF MY THESIS contradicted some damn sound bite they heard on CNN between commercials for Alpha King male enhancement. I finally said the hell with it and closed all my social media. Not to put too fine a point on it, but fukkem. Thank you for your videos and the massive time they take. You have at least one very appreciative fan.
Nice to see an addendum video! You're absolutely right about people not using good sources. I've had to point out on other 40k channels the lack of sources. Tau sterilization of humans for example is never mentioned in any book or codex - only a game. But a lot of lore channels treat it as canon since it is repeated so often.
I'd just like to point out here that, speaking as a practicing magician, you've actually come remarkably close here to a cogent explanation of how magic works in our world, well done.
I thoroughly appreciate you making this video, accepting criticism and helping to add more richness to peoples understanding of such a vast and often times vague setting. Your transparency is a big part of why i started watching your content and stuff like this helps to loosen any sense of stringency on a platform where hardline view points can scare people away from following their curiosity. Lovely stuff. Keep it up please.
New to wh40k and watching these videos. Loving them so far. Also seems like the emperor just got played by chaos. He did all of this to stop an apparent vision of the future only too provide chaos with a massive army, the likes of which the universe as never seen. Wouldn't be the only time chaos used visions of the future to manipulate a champion of man. But that's just my not particularly informed guess. Great videos.
I remember a response from a Black Library representative many years ago at a seminar. He was asked about the changes/retcons/ignorance's of the lore when producing books and his response, which fits the way the Imperium works in 40k, - "All lore is canon, however not all lore is true"
its ok to doubt once or twice in your life .. so you can overcome your doubt so your faith in the emperor is even stronger after that .. just keep in mind: doubt is there to be overcome
This is my first time ever actually looking at the lore. It sounds to me The Emperor is a manifestation of mankind's desires and goals. The Emperor insists he is but a man and no more. The Godlike battle made mankind see him as divine. That weakened the emperor. The very thing he is afraid of. To be seen as divine
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PLEASE NOTE - -I have not made an Addendum before for a video, its basically an additional follow up after a piece of work to explain inconsistencies, update information or expand the existing original work. This usually follows when any such problems were detected too late to correct the main work.
I can see that this could be a useful ongoing practice for me on any video, where perhaps questions or information in a video that I thought was clear turns out not to be, or perhaps one aspect is highlighted by viewers that warrants further discussion? Do you think this is a good idea? tell me below.
Dear L09;
Thank you for being so mindful of your viewers. This directly reflects your passion for precision and accuracy.
Looks like you have been busy since you recovered your voice. Glad to have you back buddy.
And yes. 'Tis a good idea.
If it means more content from you then it is definitely something i want!
Thanks for the shoutout Luetin! Glad my quote-mining could be of help. 🙂
About that faith part, I think something was said about how the eldar created gods go help advance themselves, so you could look there.
I was planning to potentially remake a few older vids like the Necron and Eldar potentially so was going to talk about that then, or I will do some other Eldar thing at some point
Luetin09: *Uploads*
Inquisition: *Heavy breathing*
they will have a collective aneurysm over his videos one day....
Heresy button is broken after recent video anyway.
'Pant' Her 'pant' re 'HEAVY PANT' SYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!
@@RebelOfTheNorm242 they then fall over. i would pity them, but....
Imagine the poor scribe having to catalog this heresy on parchment by hand lol, knowing after he'll certainly be made into a servitor!
I'll admit I was quite intimidated by the sheer size of the 40k lore, but I work a 12 hour shift job with headphones allowed so listening to these as I work is a blessing from the emperor
Getting personally called out and thanked by Luetin in a video? Boy, I've done good. 😎
It was a good find to be sure, I totally had forgotten about that conversation and its an excellent reference for this exact discussion
One doesn't earn the name "the betrayer" for no reason.
@@Luetin09 That conversation in particular REALLY makes me wonder what Angron could have become if he'd not had the nails in his head. How much less insane may he have been without them? Would he have turned traitor? Etc.....All that speculation is fueled along by the World Eaters being my favorite traitor legion.
Tell your dad to calm the hell down. I can hear him cursing and massacring things from here, and we're fucking lightyears away!
Thunder Cricket what a actually sent angron over the edge wasn’t the nails or life in a gladiatorial arena, the the emperor denying him the chance to save his fellow gladiators/friends
For someone that is just starting to get into the 40k universe, i thank you Luetin. these videos are really good and explain so much😭😭😭😭
Agreed ,just starting out myself and these videos makes the Warhammer 40k universe make sense...thanks Luetin!
tl;dr - Luetin is slowly drifting into heresy, bringing us along for the ride.
Adeptus Amendatus
40k is so wild and weird, variability and interpretation is part of the charm- I don't think you have to justify your good faith approach and personal favoritism- the effort you put into these is without question- an inconsistency at your level of analysis and presentation is just an element of the myth of it all. I see your work as labours of love about a cool thing many people enjoy- you are succeeding, I'm stoked whenever you put something out.
I can respect addending a viewpoint. It means you've actually thought about things, even your own opinions.
"Amending", or possibly "appending". I just checked and "addend" can't be converted to a gerund by adding the suffix "-ing".
Addendum🤔Tzeentchish😬😂
@@deusexaethera it might not be a thing but I like it and it makes contextual sense, lol
"Case and point. Disney star wars."
Ouch man. As a legends lover you're striking below the belt there!
At least I still have the emperor and hive Luetin...
I'm not even a Star Wars fan, but I was I would still be raging. Its disgusting how they just torched years of crafting. But heyyyyy gotta makes those movies ehhh - soft reboot and all that bollocks.
@@Luetin09 Im still a pretty hardcore fan. I have done and will continue to do star wars rp with the passion I always have. But my mates and I never bring up disney unless to mock it.
I am convinced that if they just followed the legends novels the new movies would have been great. Some of the charcters are fantastic and the story is well written.
Instead we got a politically inspired movie with two directors both taking the movies in VASTLY different directions and now there is a rift in the fan base.
Its comical, I am not even angry anymore. I am way past that and I am now resting with a cold indifference. Never did I expect that to be the case.
Sorry for the little rant! Thoroughly enjoyed your video.
I bursted out laughing when he said that. I was thinking it 5 seconds earlier. I'm actually here, in 40k, because of Star Wars.
@@Luetin09 agreed the Xwing series and Vong war are 10x better then the crap movies now
@@TheIfifi If theyd made Karpyshins Darth Bane trilogy into movies _properly_ it would have been amazing.
I dont want Disney touching Darth Bane now.
Or any of the other EU stories.
Screw Disney/LucasFilm, their spitefiction isnt even canon anyway.
Primarch Jon Snow: "HE'S MY EMPEROR!"
You mean Robooty Gundaman?
poiuytrewq11422 Papa Smurf
So close. @Erik Jochums
"I lOVE HIM"
@@alexsnow652 THE EMPEROR PROTECTS ~!
These last two videos of yours about the Emperor really have changed my perspective on the whole adeptus administorum/emperor and his faults/ his mistakes. Really well-thought-out and descriptive explanations of everything. Needless to say I can't even look at the Emperor in the books and lore the same way now! So good job man lol 👍
here's a great quote for you from Master of Mankind, that displays the Emperor hasn't got a clue whats going down:
E: 'The warp will forever be a cancer in the heart of all humans.
The Imperium may last a hundred years, or a thousand, or ten thousand.
But it will fall, Diocletian. It will fall. The shining path is lost to us.
Now we rage against the dying of the light'
D: ‘My king, what now? What comes next?’
The Emperor turned away, walking into the darkness of the cavern
while the storm hammered the dead city so far above.
He spoke three words that no Custodian had ever
heard Him speak before.
E: ‘I don’t know.'
That Angeron quote gave me chills--I have been reading through the Horus Heresy novels (about to finish Fulgrim), so I've seen Angeron and his World Eaters in action a few times so far. Up until now, I have only seen him as a raging, blood-lusting maniac who is fueled by nothing more than bloodshed, but to get a look into his pained inner mind is sobering and tragic. The Emperor forced him to become what he is; I am realizing more and more that nobody is truly good or evil in 40k--it's all muddled shades of grey--and I think it's fascinating. Thank you for being the spark igniting my love for this intriguing universe, LT!
You'll enjoy the book I took the quote from, 'Betrayer'. Be sure to check out the short book 'World Eaters'; which covers Angron's reunion with his Legion, and how Kharn managed to convince him to lead it.
Glad you liked it - it shows, even with Butcher's Nails in his skull, Angron's rather perceptive and surprisingly eloquent. You'll enjoy the book I took the quote from, 'Betrayer'. Be sure to also check out the short book 'World Eaters'; which covers Angron's reunion with his Legion, and how Kharn managed to convince him to lead it.
Yeah, but I mean he's a heretic. His opinion is heavily biased.
If you will allow me to quote the late Sir Terry Prattchet: "I believe you find life such a problem because you think there are good people and bad people. You're wrong, of course. There are, always and only, the bad people, but some of them are on opposite sides."
@@vaevictus4637 Except Angron said this way before the heresy. So your opinion is based on fallacies
It is pretty clear to me: Chaos is fuelled by emotion, not beliefs or thoughts. i.e. just because you strongly believe in the concept of gravity doesn't mean a deity of gravity is formed. The emotions and feelings are the fire or the water; the associated intellectual thoughts and ideas are the colour of the flame or dye in the water. They mean nothing without the raw energy of emotion, only providing flavour to each emotional instance or circumstance.
Worship, actively calling out to personifications of emotion and supernatural deities thus doesn't fuel the gods; but it does get their attention. That is what the ignorance of the Imperial Truth tried to accomplish. A stopgap measure to reduce the chance of the gods being able to contact directly and influence humanity, and be actively invited into out universe; but doing nothing to check their power. Because it not our ideas and thoughts that needed to be tamed, but our emotions.
And despite the Emperor saying he wasn't a god and everyone should be secular, he essentially expected to be treated as one in his lifetime. No disagreement with his dictats is allowed under pain of death. Every single one of his decisions are made with little or no reasoning/explanation to his subjects, and with the expectation they will be obeyed absolutely. At Nikaea, when he banned the use of psykers in the Legions after hours of impassioned debate from all sides, he simply pronounced his decision to enforce a ban, censure Magnus, and left, with no explanation of his reasoning. He is as aloof and as unimpeachable as a god, and demands a similar level of obedience as the most draconian deity. Even before the Imperial Cult, the Emperor had cultivated the most fanatical and unquestioning personality cult ever. And what is unquestioning obedience, if not the very definition of faith?
nicely put.
Angron:"I said what I said!"
*continues murderous rampage*
Judge Mental *while chewing on a baby*
It's true he said what he said.
Nothing but facts.
>when indulging in the most nerdy activity ends with PHD level theology
One Family.
Tony Hillebrand Water or Wine?
@@jmvt3 “The water of the Edema is sweeter than wine to those who have been upon the road.”
@@jmvt3 Blood.
@@HSlSerathis But you must try this fine aged Vintish Wine, served to the Maer himself
As someone who isn’t really into warhammer past the video games and the occasional lore video. I got to say these videos are fantastic, you tell a story while explaining everything along the way and you make it interesting. Honestly I could watch these videos over and over because of you and how well you’ve made them. Please don’t let anyone tell you otherwise. You legit make me want to know more, it’s brilliant.
“Just a quick point of note.”
*20-30 glorious minutes later*
GOD-EMPEROR I LOVE THIS CHANNEL
An old Cherokee is teaching his grandson about life. “A fight is going on inside me,” he said to the boy. “It is a terrible fight and it is between two wolves. One is evil - he is anger, envy, sorrow, regret, greed, arrogance, self-pity, guilt, resentment, inferiority, lies, false pride, superiority, and ego.”
He continued, “The other is good - he is joy, peace, love, hope, serenity, humility, kindness, benevolence, empathy, generosity, truth, compassion, and faith. The same fight is going on inside you - and inside every other person, too.”
The grandson thought about it for a minute and then asked his grandfather, “Which wolf will win?”
The old Cherokee simply replied, “The one you feed.”
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The warp is much like this too. The Emperor was - in his insistence of destroying other faiths, not looking towards the well-being and happiness of his citizenry and plunging head-first into a bloody war of conquest - feeding the wrong wolves.
The proof of this is the Warp Entity attached to the Tau's "Greater Good", created by the emotions the Gue'vesas and other warp impacting species allied to the Tau. This Entity has
assisted Imperial forces in the past. Still too many questions as to the real motivations of this Entity, though this positive emotional focus is an important factor. It begs the question
of the Warp Entity that would have obviously coalesced around the worship of the Emperor. Is the Emperor and this Entity linked in any meaningful way? Does the continuing existence of the Emperor impact this Warp Shadow? Will the Immortal known as the Emperor of Man have to beat the Chaos Entity that has been built up by the Imperial Religion? Or was the Emperor *always* this Warp entity?
Yep...exactly. Getting rid of the *misuse of religion* as opposed to *getting rid of religion* would have been the better way to go by far. Using religion as an excuse for cruelty? Censure such acts. Using religion as a reason to better the lives of people without prejudice? If only the gods of the warp had received so much more of this instead. Perhaps Tzeentch, for example, would have been no worse than Coyote. Or Slaanesh might have functioned more as the Greek Muses did rather than as a sadomasochist. More moderated, in other words. The reason the Primordial Truth was abhorrent was because we MADE it so and the Emperor fanned the flames into an utter inferno.
Great post! 👍
I doubt you have wolfs inside of you. You have one mind but that can be shattered wich is called schizophrenia or something like that!
@@Victorgreat4 its not meant to say there are two independent characters at work in your mind but rather to say that whether you lean towards selfishness or selflessness you will eventually strengthen the favored mindset and weaken the other. This all leads to becoming more comfortable with and more frequently using one mentality over the other
@@dylanneely91 Interesting, so selfishness and selflessness are your point on good and evil? Could you elaborate more on this? Thanks alot take care
Luetin09 is the David Attenborough of Warhammer 40k!
There I've said it.
Definetley not! The approach of David and Lutein is very VERY different.
@@Go-ah-oold hahaha
And we see a nurgling in his prime, what will be his journey this day? Will he munch on the brains of a freshly killed guardsman or burrow into his chest cavity and explode him while he's still alive... let's watch...
The depth of this story is so complicated, it mirrors real life so well that it could very well be real for someone seeing it that didn’t know better. It had literally taken on its own life and the story just writes itself. I can’t get enough of 40k! I literally watch and read everything I can get my hands on. The original game has been WAY overshadowed by the lore now
You’re one of the best lue!
Even more heresy? You're teasing the Inquisition hard, aren't you?
Rafael Santos the Tyranids were not available for comment ;-P
*urge to purge intesifies*
This is why I love 40K, it's almost like history and historical accounts. User interpretation and understanding and gets people talking, sharing and getting dragged deeper into it, just like real history - not to mention all the real history mixed with the fantasy
On the gods’ need for worship, the source you are probably looking for is the extract from magister Volans’s third letter to the Colleges of Magic (found in the fourth book of Liber Chaotica, chapter ”Arcane and Divine Magic”).
A summary for anyone not having access to Liber Chaotica:
The in-universe author is the Supreme Patriarch of the Colleges, so a guy who know knows his stuff but agrees that current knowledge of Chaos is still lacking.
“If all the gods and daemons are manifestations of the mortal world’s thoughts, dreams and feelings, then could this not explain why they react so readily to the faith of those who worship them? Could it be that some (or perhaps all) gods actually need the faith of mortals to maintain their unique identities, and so are drawn to particularly strong demonstrations of faith both to feed off and to do things that will encourage even greater levels of faith in the supplicant?”
I would say in the end belief is all that matters, the warp is a 4th dimension comprised of raw emotion energy, that energy is what shapes it's environment, hate anger fear rage will create a horrible place , "hell" if you would. If all warp sensitive creatures would have only allowed love peace tolerance and empathy to be the emotional response then the warp would most likely be a form of "heaven" or a beautiful perfect representation of those emotions. The one you feed is probably the best choice of words to describe this thing! Well done, and I appreciate the info
This right here is why luetin is the best 40k lore channel on this site. Mans went and made a addendum just to answer some criticism and correct some parts of the video shows he cares about the quality of the video and wants to make sure the facts he's presenting are in fact true
While I do mostly agree , like 95%. I see the concept of faith a bit different in regards to the Warp. As in that faith seems to work more as a magnifier for core emotions/thoughts.
And thus it is a more powerful and more sustainable source of energy for the chaos gods/warp creatures.
What makes me think this is three things:
First is the great game itself wherein the battle more often than not is equably about denying the other gods power, as it is about taking it for yourself. And this more often than not takes the form of disrupting the other gods plans, amke them look weak compared to you, or simply making their worshippers uncertain that the are following the "right god".
Secondly I loook at the way that the chaos cultists devoted to a single god act.
As in they make themselves as best they can, avatars for a specific blend of emotions/thoughts and thusly proved better sustenance for their chosen god, while at the same time trying to not give sustenance to the other gods.
Thirdly I think about the fact that there have been warp enteties on atleast demigod/demon prince level of power, made from the focused belief, of at times just a single planet and or system/cult. This in itself should show that faith and belief is more potent than just random and unfocused emotions. Here I am pretty convinced that this was in some way how the Eldar made their gods, trough concetration, focus and **** tons of psycic power. And I think this works when viewing religon/worship as a mangifier.
I kind of look at it like the difference between light reflecting of a discoball(normal human with changing emotions/thoughts) and a laserpointer focused on one singular point/emotion.
The difference in energy would be quite large, and thusly it is the quality of sustenance that is different, the relaibility of it, and its duplicating effect(faith spreads, willingly or not) that is the real cause why the chaos gods are so enamoured by faith. But other than that I absolutely agree that "faith" as a seperate concept makes little to no sense both in universe and outside it.
But as in most things when it comes to 40k this is just my interpreation.
Great series on the emperor btw, without a doubt one of the more interesting takes on him I`ve heard, gg :)
Yeah I think the concept of faith and worship of gods in 40k contributes to or magnifies a god's power. You give the perfect example of the Eldar gods, who are also the Ork gods. Some background: Khaine and the Laughing God are also Gork and Mork.
Both the Eldar and Orks were created by the Old Ones to fight the Necrontyr millennia ago, where each race was given psychic powers to hurt or outright kill Star Gods. Over time, the Orks have forgotten the origins of their gods as the brain boyz died out (Orks can't even remember which god is supposed to be which!), while the Eldar are too proud to acknowledge their shared history with such a barbarian race.
Either way, both gods seem to be emboldened by belief, stemming mostly from Orks (where things come true so long as Orks believe them to be true). The Laughing God especially seems to maintain power, as Chaos have been trying to kill the Great Harlequin since the fall of the Eldar.
Personally, I'm more and more inclined towards the Age of Sigmar hypothesis: the universe reincarnates itself under new types of physics with the champions of the old iteration becoming the gods of the new universe. We know the Age of Sigmar comes after Warhammer's End Times. I think Warhammer 40,000 is a previous version of the universe that existed before Warhammer Fantasy. 40k may even be the original universe, since it's where Slaanesh first became a god.
It seems the reason the Emperor can't destroy Chaos by destroying religion is because Chaos has likely been playing the Great Game for a very long time in a previous cycle. Khorne, Tzeench, and Nurgle have maintained their spots in the pantheon because they've been gods longer than the age of the universe. The Emperor is like a woodpecker trying to chop down an entire forest.
The other reason I can think of is that Chaos exists outside the Milky Way, whereas humanity hasn't even set foot on the majority of planets that inhabit the galaxy. Maybe there's Chaos worship out beyond the void? Maybe that's why Tyranids showed up: they aren't invading, they're running away from a galaxy taken over by Khorne.
Love the star wars reference,I am a star wars fan myself. lol. Your videos have turned me into a fan of Warhammer 40k. Especially your emperor series videos. I myself watch them on multiple occasions. Well done.
At this point Luetin is blessed by all 4 Chaos Gods and is competing with Failbadon for the title of Warmaster of Chaos!
as someone with NO understanding of Warhammer, before starting this series, youve done a great job so far. Youve also changed your stance on the origin story of the Emperor of Man. These are great, informative well done. I was watching a video last night and was thinking it looked like it was on the History Channel. Great work.
As a spiritual person myself I can assure you that faith CAN indeed wax and wane
Whew thanks for clearing up that nail biter for us.
_Coast's clear, boys_ we've got a "spiritual person" to weigh in on the mystery.
@ who pissed in your cornflakes that morning?? ;-)
Agree
This.
What's great about 40k lore and how you present it in particular, including in this episode, is that it isn't solid or set in stone. You have your philosophical presentation of what's true and important, as well as your own agenda, which includes any changes of mind or even what you would label as your own mistakes or inaccuracies, and you can be confident that no apology is necessary for that.
Your GreyKnights lore videos made me buy a greyknight army for the Table Top :D
Idk if it was me that put the gk idea in his head. I nagged him video after video on a gk video.
@@henryhaile1653 Oh lol
30 yrs ive been into 40k read just about everything, have a compendium made from early rouge traders and own and have read every heresy novel to date. But this content hits every button and scratches every itch . Well done on taking on such a monumental task i hope for many many more. Bravo
From what I know the Chaos gods don't need worship to sustain themselves. But it dose helps them connecting to the material plain and getting said emotions a faster and more efficiant way.
Basicly If normal emotions are suplys in a transport than worship is basicly the highway instead of a normal road.
I always thought through my reading and my understanding that strong emotions and acts both feed chaos. This is just how I understood it from what I’ve read.
You my friend have single handedly made me into a warhammer fan for life! Keep up the phenomenal work brother!
Are you still a fan?
You're basically one of, if not THE best lore channel I see on here, with great descriptions too. Happy to have found you. You deserve more attention.
Nobody:
The Emperor of man: We must purge religions of this realm.
Also the Emperor : Becomes religion.
Might be clearing the board so that when Lorgars bad book gets out, everything falls into place
@@coolafman wasn't the religious worship against Emps's wishes?
The emperor is your typical fedora tipping reddit atheist who smuggly chuckles at religion while having terrible political opinions that cause more suffering than religion does in the current year. Prob thinks Bill Nye is an actual scientist.
@Andrew-ho4vq the irony being that this is the most *fedora tipping reddit post* on this video. Which is on par, yall seem to always project that shit
Strikes me that if The Emperor had really wanted to weaken chaos, he would have striven for a more equitable and peaceful galaxy. Rage, jealousy, scheming, illness ultimately stem from an unmet need. Ironically by imposing his somewhat naive vision he is only making chaos stronger (if indeed it's feelings that feed chaos). Far from being the savior of mankind, he is it's doom. He himself is the ultimate god of chaos because he perpetuates the environment for them to thrive.
Funny thing about 40k, is that of course the Emperor is a horrible tyrant that in our universe wouldn't be ideal at all. The entire point is that these actions are only just barely acceptable because the 40k universe is *just that horrible*.
Another interesting point is that as revealed in The Buried Dagger, up until Magus broke through his webway project the Emperor thought the powers of chaos were sealed away. So maybe he was attempting to avoid humans turning *him* into a god.
Eldrad has also referenced that they were both aware of a greater threat to the galaxy than chaos, one that would require both humans and eldar to overcome.
2 years later, but I think the verdict is still out as to whether politicians bickering every 4 years to lead nations is more effective than having a leader who consolidated his power and no longer needs to waste time convincing people to follow his vision which is simply humanity's survival.
I'm not going to lie, I basically just use these videos as bbackground sound whenever I drive somewhere, but even still the sheer amount of information and the attention to detail makes these some of my favorite videos
Great video. I think the Emperor actually planned on being worshipped in the end... possibly he foresaw everything as a means to become a god himself.
Thank you for sharing these videos with us. Me personally, i require your support in explaining this vast and immense universe. I would not be able to get into this universe without these videos.
I don't know if it was intentional but you just pushed me closer to chaos affiliation. Especially with the conversation Russ was having considering the emporer and "slavery"
He is a preacher of the Primordial Truth basically. Chaos is inevitable and unstoppable? We must live with it? Sounds like it. But I also agree with embracing Chaos, maybe not to the "flay a million people" level, but it must me used.
neither chaos or emperor.. (as they are essentially the same thing) ''do what we want or else''..
nah leaning a bit more to tau wich does the same thing ''do what we want or else''
but its for the greater good of mankind on my semi-forgeworlds starsystem protected by its own chapter, its a friendlier version of ultramar..
(people get good food, warm clothing, have their weekends off , have their retirements and are overall pretty happy.
even our soldiers are happy to get the good stuff superheavy tanks, body-armor,weaponry and they have their own uplifting primer.
getting to fight along my salamanderlike human friendly chapter..
no one is interested in worshipping chaos or the emperor, fully aware of the dangers they live a good life..
an utopia surrounded by a galactic dystopia
i can make my own stuff up, geedubs does it all the time).
for me it has become clear that life in Warhammer 40k is a fight and that to win it you need to be cunning and brutal and brutal and cunning. Gork and Mork are the way to go.
Your right about 40k ever evolving and often contradictory. Like you I've been into it since the 1990's. I've probably read near a 100 books from Gaunt to the Heresy, the massive amount of characters, cabals, species, planets and organisations in 40k is impossible to fully comprehend. All I know is your work is well researched, thorough, creative and most importantly entertaining!! The people that nit-pick at arbitrary inconsequential lore will always do so weather discussing 40k or flower arranging. I know much of what you talk about having read it myself, yet I am always entertained and look forward to your awesome posts.. Hjolda Brother I sense your choler is rising 👐🏼
I appreciate your dedication. No detail should be over-looked, statements proven false should be replaced by the correct fact.
I really love the 40k lore as a history student because it's actually a brilliantly realistic deterioration of information on display
I greatly look forward to seeing your content! Please keep it up !
You are one of the best Warhammer 40k Lore guy on youtube, I recommend you to all my 40K friends!
That scene in Betrayer that you quoted is far and away my favorite moment in the entirety of the 60+ books in the HH series
Angron is my favorite of his sons... such a tragedy and yet he has moments of clarity that show what he could have been
Man these videos are cool. Been playing Chaos Gate 2 and listening to these in the background, it's *exactly* what I was looking for when it comes to an indepth history/lore view of the 40K Universe. I knew about a lot of this stuff but even for a long-time fan such as me these have stuff even I haven't heard of! :D
I think if you look at the Emperor through the lens of Dune, on which he is largely based, admit he is a type of Kwisatz Haderach, his simetimes erratic behavior makes more sense. He isn't one man man but a multitude of people exsisting simultaneously within one consciousness. The personalities conflict with each other, with their different goals and ideologies, rising and falling in a never ending struggle to govern. This is also an easy meta solution to the Emperor being authored by multiple people with different personalities and goals for the character.
Luetin your dedication to posting 40k lore and content is incredible. After collecting w40k as a child and playing many of the video games it was you who inspired me to get into the novels just bought my first 3 and I'm very happy to see they're great. Thankyou for your service
Daar Leutin, keep sharing these video’s with us, I thank you for your insight in and the quality of these video’s!
Thanks Luetin. I've watched your videos many times over, and still every time I find them interesting and have new thoughts about the subject matter.
In my view, I agree that the Emperor knew he couldn't destroy the chaos gods by removing faith. But he knew that removing faith leaves one less thing to worry about.
And the reason is that faith is an easy target for chaos to manipulate.
A devout religious person will have faith to their core, like you said. But chaos can easily, through suggestions and small influences, corrupt that person. They can slowly, over long periods of time alter the persons idea of what they should be doing to honor their god.
You find it today in religions, where people believe in the same god, but the way they serve that god differs. The difference are, for the most part, not an issue. As it is just different interpretations, and their acts are not wrong within the understanding of their religion. But you get the other, dangerous side of the coin. If you are not careful, you could move off the correct path.
**(I don't want to make this a religious debate, so bare with me on this)**
So, back to 40K. When the differences of your acts within your faith are driven by influences from chaos, you could end up with a person who still believes in his god, but his acts and associated emotions have been swayed over time into immoral or "dangerous" behaviour. Even though this person still believes to his core that he is serving his god, his acts and emotions are now completely different to what they should be, and are now fueling chaos, without the person realising this. And over time this person can be so consumed by the corruption, that he could turn completely to chaos.
Basically a long, slippery slope.
So in the end, it is easier to take a religious person and corrupt their religion, than to try and take someone that doesn't believe in anything, that only relies on science and rational thinking, and turn them towards a faith, a corrupted faith.
But like you said, this didn't present a hurdle to chaos, they just stepped around this. And I think the emperor knew they would, but like I said in the beginning, he just wanted one less area to battle chaos in. And that area was the faith and religions of man that gets corrupted.
It is worth it though to ask the question, what is evil, and what are bad acts that fuels chaos? It doesn't take a corrupted, religious person to be evil.
Any person has the capasity to do good and evil, and chaos can be fed thru the acts of non-religious people as well.
Anyway, a bit of a ramble, but hope it makes sense.
This is a tricky subject, but I think you have summed it up perfectly. Thank you Luetin.
Keep the videos coming. They are amazing, and they really get my mind working and I find it refreshing to think of all these different scenarios and thoughts that different people have.
🤘🏻
Nearly every single Space Marine or Imperial citizen that was manipulated by Chaos was someone who believed in something outside of The Imperial Truth. Also, I think when Chaos refers to The Emperor as Anathema, they are referring to the fact that he was capable of returning The Warp to its original benign form. I think you're skipping well over the very idea that the Chaos gods were created because of the way The Warp works. Sure, religion in 40k doesn't power The Warp gods directly, but the very idea of having concepts toward which emotions are focused is the very problem that causes Chaos. Even people with no religion target their emotions toward concepts. For the Eldar, sex, pleasure, suffering, and pain were concepts that their emotions were pointed toward, hence Slaanesh, but religion forces the concepts to exist whilst non-religion at least allows the possibility that the emotions are not conceptualized or focused toward archetypal concepts.
Regardless, great video as always, and I really enjoy your content! You do your research and I appreciate how eloquent and thought-out these videos are.
I really like this other view on the actions of the emperor. I really like the concept of the Emperor of Man being more human in his actions and choices. It shows that like the rest of humanity, he's got an ego. So I really liked this whole series in the Emperor of Man.
You absolute madlad, the Omnissiah is really watching you.
faith is a feeling of certain trust in an idea. trust is not a negative emotion in my eyes.
A lot of this hinges on if feelings and thoughts are somehow separate when it comes to the warp. In my opinion psykers are a prime example of why i think they are intrinsically linked.
A psyker of enough strength could shape the warp to do his bidding with his will alone. Yeah, they probably had a strong emotion to what they where doing to manifest it, but it was his thought that guided the power to the ends he wanted.
Of course 40k is pretty inconsistent on how psyker powers work, considering all the authors who have touched on the subject. I can see the warp and it's reason for existing might be as different as those who write stories and add to the cannon itself.
Absolutely amazing content; I have a hard time sitting down and just listening to someone speak for long periods of time, but I can listen to you speak for hours on end.
Leutin made an addendum?
Apparently the inquisition was kind with you, and offered you mercy. The emperor protects.
New to warhammer. Introduced due to space marine 2, and I’ve been watching your videos. They are so cool and really fun to watch and listen to as you seem to compile the vast information in an understandable way. Thanks and long live the emperor
Wouldn’t the action of slaughtering humans who had differing views empower the forces of Chaos and the Warp?
I very much enjoyed the format of this. I didn't particularly have an issue with your previous video on the matter, but this was certainly a good and valid way to answer concerns and explain how you go about things. I absolutely love the channel, and it has turned my passing interest in the 40k universe into something more.
"I do not know why I had to genocide all of them. All I know is Father would just keep repeating 'It's free real estate.' and wouldn't cease until I went through with the genocide." -Every Primarch
Leutin Thanks to make your videos not only a nice and interesting experience, but also a very fufilling thing, you transform all this thoughts that you have flying around in your head and set them in order to create this amazing and very philosofical interesting videos, as always thank you very much, HOPE TO SEE MOREE !!!
A thought: The Emperor went to the Last Church to debate as a test to see if logical reasoning could be an alternative to brute force in converting people. It failed: the last priest marched into the flames of his own burning church. And so, the Emperor continued to conquer and never tried persuasion again.
Discuss.
Its a nice thought, but it seems a little unfair to make a blanket decision on how to act from that day on...
Then again maybe the Emperor was like ... THATS IT! Ive had enough of these religious types BURN THEM ALL... oh wait... we're back to the whole hypocrisy again lol
Sara Lieberman My main takeaway from the Last Church is that the Emperor and the priest are both right and wrong on different points and thus no one really learned anything as they were so entrenched in their positions and were speaking past each other, but as an outside observer reading their conversation I could piece together where they had common ground, but they could not or would not see that themselves. All too human and stubborn.
@@Luetin09 think of religion as parasite in human mind. one may be brutal with the way they remove it and some see this as "hypocrisy" as you put it but its simply not.
@@chapteriv3053 That does not change the fact that, if you use the same brutal methods as the holy men, you are still no better than the holy men. Fighting for the greater good does not excuse that, the holy men were, after all, fighting for their own interpretation of the greater good.
@@ajirawa5729 i would gladly use brutal ways to remove chronic infestation. we do not need fictional history for how religion fucked humanity over permanently. at this point there is no turning back but i would've more than happy to give my last breathe to see it go extinct for good.
from your statement i think you live in a more peaceful country with more understanding people. let me give you advice do not go anywhere near muslim people.
I'm binge watching your videos for few days and man, I really enjoy it. I'm way too poor to buy the tabletop game but this universe and way you describe is fascinating. Also, as a non native english speaker I really enjoy your vocabulary and storytelling ability.
I didn't know anything about 40k.. This is like the 5th or 6 video ive watched of yours.. Thanks
You sir, are a consummate professional. I find your perspective on most things fit right along with my own. You give us so much excellent content that in my opinion you should never have to defend your interpretation or perspective from anyone. You have always made everything completely clear. Thank you for HOURS of entertainment.
On a scale of 1 to 10 I give this an ABSOLUTELY HERETICAL
“Case and point Disney Star Wars” -Leutin you class act!
Also great video. Much respect for anyone willing to go back and revise things.
Is it just me, or is crusading against religion to weaken the chaos gods incredibly idiotic because the act of crusading would strengthen the chaos gods? Khorn would benefit due to the bloodshed, Tzeentch would benefit from the change of getting rid of religion, Nurgle would benefit because literal virus bombs, and Slaanesh would just be missing out.
On that note, BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!! SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE!!
Khorne is perfectly happy if you just insta-kill someone into gory spatters like shooting a rocket at them in Doom, even if the victim doesn't feel a thing. But if there's a lot of suffering in the death, and the perpetrators revel in that at all, then Slaanesh gets to join the party too.
Thank you for these videos luetin. Alot of info to remember and understand but better than standing and not knowing ahha.
Your creations, are quality and not quantity, and that's why I love it,...
In 40 millennium there is only war, well done Emperor you created the perfect galaxy for chaos to thrive. Hardly likely this happened by accident and no this was just as bad before the Heresy.
~Laughs~ You devious bastard. Now we’ll be waiting for a video.. and an addendum. Well played sir, well played.
Always great vids man, thanks.
I’m paraphrasing here: “The gods of the warp reached out not so much as sentient, goal-oriented beings, but just as small pin pricks of anger here and there, each one a domino falling towards their sentience.” Amazing work, man. That’s exactly the sense I got, that humans (and the Eldari in the form of Slaanesh) birthed the gods by small reactions to an overall sense of disquiet in the warp. It’s only because humans are so quick to react to those negative emotions that a critical mass was able to develop.
I have a question, does faith in the emperor strengthens him? Just like the mecanicus faith in the machine God strengthens the machines?
I am new to 40k, but that has been my understanding.
Maybe. I’m new to the 40K community, but in my short time here I have herd a theory that states it’s actually the orks keeping the emperor alive as they believe him to be a powerful god of the humans and because if orks believe something to work/be true then it is.
I got back into 40k recently I knew none of the lore before I got back into the hobby about 3 months back and since then your videos have only deepened my interest and love of 40k so thanks for the content and keep it coming because I can’t get enough of it
The Emperor is the first, best example of humanity. All of it.
Let me explain.
Big E, Empy-man here, is probably the ur-example of what humanity is. The greatness the being of humanity can become. The strength, the intellect, the will, the power and the good of humanity.
But humanity is not just the above. Humanity is brutal, ugly, animalistic, greedy, despotic, and evil. And The Emperor is indeed all of that, in a different point of view, bastardizing a common meme from another IP.
And that living corpse on that stolen eldar toilet is the ur-example of all of that. His chosen path of light is not inherently "good" or "evil" on that malformed, sliding, shortsighted and misplaced scale of human morality.
To be more accurate, he represent Order, versus Chaos. Why is he called The Anathema? Order is not inherently good or evil (using that misplaced human morality again), and Chaos is the same. It is, to us, easier to apply that morality easily and call Emperor good and Chaos evil because we're human and that's our frame of reference. He isnt good. Chaos isnt evil. He is Order to Chaos. I'll leave it at that.
Agreed. The Emperor is "good" relative to Humanity. If you aren't born Human, your chances of seeing The Emperor as good decreases significantly.
A good quote to remember about any field of study: "While I have endeavored to describe things as they appeared to be, I am conscious of having been unable to avoid the usual proportion of errors, for which I beg indulgence, and which I leave for others who shall pursue the same path of investigation to correct."
My belief is that besides weakening chaos, preventing religious worship prevents chaos undivided.
Chaos undivided wasn't a thing until Horus Heresy. The emperor created his own problem.
@@U9B Did he? OR was he trying to prevent it?
@@lloydgush How do you prevent something that never really happened until after you tried to prevent it? Chaos literally united to mess with him since the primarchs were made. Chaos undivided was never mentioned on terra from the age of technology to strife.
@@U9B well, I clearly never said it worked, maybe he was tricked into doing it by tzeench, or just made a calculated mistake...
Certainly there's chaos undivided but it's way too eager to shoot itself in the foot, maybe that was his point.
@@lloydgushHe wasn't tricked. The Emperor made the error in hubris where he thought he could play the great game better than the powers could and they mocked him by having him nearly killed, stuffed on a throne, and made into a God while the imperium plays the great game with Chaos. The game is the perpetuate ebb and flow of influence they wager against each other for fun and now the emperor is the 5th player. A God. Something he lied to everyone he wasn't. Logar must be laughing hysterically.
Chaos existed in the imperium but no where near the amount the enclaves had. The emperor forced cultist into hiding for the most part but it was the crusade that eventually brought them out upon Horus Heresy. Chaos undivided was a concept that truly didn't exist because the powers stop playing the game to play the game on the emperor instead proving they can unite. The emperor gambled on everything by never telling anyone but Malcador what he was up to. Who is he going to hide that information from? The powers can see and hear everything everywhere ever said anywhere at any time. They united to break the throne in the first place and made sure its key component and heir Magnus was unfit to take its place. They wanted it broken and the emperor perpetually on it keeping him out of the game as an active piece.
Thinking about it Magnus was the single most important person in the entire heresy.
loved your point on canon in relation with star wars. as someone who collected and read the entire star wars legends and canon book collections, i totally understand exactly your point. it can be frustrating at times to seperate the two or to relate tales that come between the two continuities. it can be even more difficult to reconcile some characters that appear in both continuities who in my mind are not the same person. such as a character like thrawn. disney has made him an art loving sevant with a love for the details and for standing up for the little guy. the legends thrawn is an art loving sociopathic psychopath who loves fascism and riddles while trying to slaughter a path to eradicate the new republic.
i was a warhammer fan as a kid before i was mature enough to understand the depth of the story and complexities of how it is put together. now i am going back and digging into the novels and i seriously appreciate your videos and the aid they have given me. in my star wars collection i have come to find that even though i love the legends novels above all else, that its ok to enjoy the content disney has put out too and that this is ok and does not spit in the face of what was built before disney. i look forward to all the discovery of the warhammer story as well
what if Big E was a pawn of the Chaos Gods all along, a perfect creation
Wow... As an academic theologian Im wery impressed of your definition of faith and the distinction between worship and faith. Really spot on, even out side the 40k universe😉
Good job with doing addendums for your previous videos. Shows that you care about your content.
ah :D thanks thats good to hear
I like the addendum series!
As a newcomer to the 40k universe trying to get some basic understanding before delving into the books, I very much appreciate your videos.
I have to chuckle hearing your comments about references. I have a masters degree in counterterrorism studies, and not a day went by on social media- not a DAY- that some idiot ordered me to “turn in my degree” (not a real thing, by the way) because the literal FOCUS OF MY THESIS contradicted some damn sound bite they heard on CNN between commercials for Alpha King male enhancement.
I finally said the hell with it and closed all my social media. Not to put too fine a point on it, but fukkem.
Thank you for your videos and the massive time they take. You have at least one very appreciative fan.
Well you're better than the other guy who's videos burnt into my screen because he couldn't arsed to change the background.
Who's that lol
Nice to see an addendum video! You're absolutely right about people not using good sources. I've had to point out on other 40k channels the lack of sources. Tau sterilization of humans for example is never mentioned in any book or codex - only a game. But a lot of lore channels treat it as canon since it is repeated so often.
The emperor is a golden rubber duck! Come at me luetin! 😂
I'd just like to point out here that, speaking as a practicing magician, you've actually come remarkably close here to a cogent explanation of how magic works in our world, well done.
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I thoroughly appreciate you making this video, accepting criticism and helping to add more richness to peoples understanding of such a vast and often times vague setting. Your transparency is a big part of why i started watching your content and stuff like this helps to loosen any sense of stringency on a platform where hardline view points can scare people away from following their curiosity. Lovely stuff. Keep it up please.
Addendum: also that you hopped right back on the gas-masked genehanced horse after your battle with nurgle.
New to wh40k and watching these videos. Loving them so far. Also seems like the emperor just got played by chaos.
He did all of this to stop an apparent vision of the future only too provide chaos with a massive army, the likes of which the universe as never seen. Wouldn't be the only time chaos used visions of the future to manipulate a champion of man.
But that's just my not particularly informed guess. Great videos.
I remember a response from a Black Library representative many years ago at a seminar. He was asked about the changes/retcons/ignorance's of the lore when producing books and his response, which fits the way the Imperium works in 40k, - "All lore is canon, however not all lore is true"
"Case and point. Disney star wars."
Or in other words "how not to handle a fictional universe"
No wilhelm screams makes Star Wars no good.
One thing is 40k, the other great thing about this video is a genuine philosophical discussion you put in. So great.
I can't help it, I see Luetin09 I like, even your heretical videos.
Emperor forgive me.
its ok to doubt once or twice in your life .. so you can overcome your doubt so your faith in the emperor is even stronger after that .. just keep in mind: doubt is there to be overcome
This is my first time ever actually looking at the lore. It sounds to me The Emperor is a manifestation of mankind's desires and goals. The Emperor insists he is but a man and no more. The Godlike battle made mankind see him as divine. That weakened the emperor. The very thing he is afraid of. To be seen as divine