"Jeep Grand Cherokee 4XE Summit Reserve". This name inspires my imagination to view either an extremely strange bottle of wine I cannot afford or a nature preserve with a bunch of autonomous jeeps roaming around a misty hillside in Oregon living their best free range lives before being captured and given a 3 inch lift.
@@tim3172 I don't need some chart to blip on the screen to know if the sound quality of an audio system in a car is good or bad. I've got ears for that.
Pronounced Four BY E. And you have full 375 HP and 470 Lb Ft TQ with a charge or without. The Jeep always keeps at least 15% battery even if it shows empty. They are very expensive yes, but have been extremely popular. At least the Wrangler 4XE.
Yes. I have 15K miles on my 4XE. It always has approx 15% battery. How does it not deplete that last 15%? It aggressively recharges the battery off the gas engine at zero range which allows full power battery assistance when needed.
On a 120 mile trip I got 28 mpg average in mine even after the battery was depleted 🤷🏼♂️ Also, on short local trips or my commute to work which is all less than 25 mi, it works perfect in all electric mode, which is where you really get the most utility out of it being a PHEV
I have owned a Jeep Wrangler Rubicon 4XE for 19 months and have averaged 37mpg lifetime. Many of our trips are less than 25 miles round trip multiple times per day, and we have a Level 2 charger so it takes about 1 hour to get 70% charge when at 0% and about 1 hour 45 minutes to get a full charge. We also own a Tesla Model 3 Performance and often go months without putting gas in the Jeep. As long as your not taking longer trips the hybrid range works great.
I had a grand Cherokee for a rental a while back. Yes the piano black was DESTROYED at 12,500 miles. It was a 3.6 and over 1350 miles, I averaged around 25 MPG hauling several hundred pounds of IT garbage. Overall, I quite liked it. But at the mid to high 40s, I thought it was a little expensive for what it was. However, of the 'domestics' it's far better than the exploder and the blazer/traverse. They do need to work on their radar cruise systems though, it's very harsh and loves to get to whatever distance you set as fast as possible
When you drive a hybrid you have to drive them a certain way in order to truly extract all the range and mpg. You have to find the mpg zone, gliding, braking to gain the most charge. Plus this thing weighs nearly what a full size 1500 does, which is crazy considering its midsize. But considering most people that actually buy this thing make 150k plus are never going to obsess over the mpg. They will plug it in at home, drive, fill it up once a month and repeat. Then it becomes what's the point of it.
Here in Canada this vehicle gets into the 115K range. Still, it does have features that most SUVs do not have. The rear entertainment system and integration with passenger screen is pretty one of a kind and is more useful than anyone without kids will ever understand. The problem we ran into is the feedback that this thing doesn't really get notable fuel economy due to the massive weight gain. From there you add in questions about reliability and now it gets quite difficult to justify. Right now they have discontinued the V8 offering in the 5-seater which is a fairly good indicator that the 3.0L twin turbo inline 6 "Hurricane" motor is on the way which should make for a highly competitive offering.
Dude. Rear infotainment has been around for 20+ years. It's not a Jeep specialty. Also, if you need your kids glued to a screen while driving...you're doing life wrong
I've had my 4XE GC (2024 Anniversary Edition) for a few months now and I love it. I drive approximately 100 miles a week to and from work (I'm an airline pilot. My car will sit for a few days before I return). From my house to the airport, it's approximately 50 miles. The audio has been amazing. The gas milage has been great. It's on par with my 2013 VW Jetta TDI. The Piano Black does suck, but I'm meticulous about cleaning my car and keeping it clean, so it's not much of an issue. The battery charge is amazing. With a drive to the airport, I'm usually getting about 31 MPG. That 50 mile drive, about 20 miles of it will be on battery. I drive on the highway, E-Saver, which also recharges my battery. Even though it rates at 28 Miles on electric, I've been able to stretch that out due to regenerative braking. I fill up my gas tank once a month. I've been stuck in traffic a few times in it and it was amazing! It's quiet, it's comfortable, and it handles well on the road (previous owned a 2011 Jeep Grand Cherokee V8 Limited). I'm not a car expert, but the vehicle fits my needs and exceeds them... Ultimately that's what I feel each one of these car reviewers miss in their breakdown on a vehicle, PURPOSE... Also, with my state's laws on EV (Washington), I got a huge rebate, dealer incentives, trade-in, and other things that brought my brand new vehicle price down to around $53K. I got the vehicle with 200 miles on it (sat on the lot in the show room as a test vehicle from Jeep).
I gotta say I'm really impressed by 4xe and addicted to the power! Got it sideways in the wet yesterday and had a good laugh. We have a 3.6 GCL and received a 4xe Trailhawk loaner for this past week. The combination of the extra power and air suspension is a huge leap forward. Despite the off-road wrangler tiers, the turn-in is crisp and the body control is way better with the shorter wheelbase and air suspension. As someone who couldn't stomach the 14mpgs of the V8, the 4xe makes sense if you want the power without the guilt and shame of the hemi.
I understand that you review what you get, but it really is a disservice to give you an $80k top trim Jeep. At ~$60k and a $7500 tax credit a lower trim GC 4xe makes a ton of sense. I have the Wrangler 4xe and almost all my non-road-trip miles are in EV mode, which works fantastically for me. I also got mine when Stellantis was blowing these out on super cheap lease deals, which were fantastic.
I drove 100 miles in hybrid mode from the dealership where I purchased my summit reserve 4xE. It barely used any gasoline at all. Maybe I’m not as refined as the gentleman in the video but the inside looks fabulous. It’s mostly leather and wood in the interior. Granted there is some Piano black material where you can see lots of fingerprints. I can understand that people wouldn’t like this material but if you take the time to clean it, it does look good. The McIntosh audio system in this Jeep is one of the best. My experience so far with this vehicle has been positive. The only negative thing is that you can’t go into electric only mode in the winter.
Good to hear someone else's opinion on this guy's talking points. Interesting to know that you can't do electric only in winter. I wonder what it considers winter because I'm in Texas and it doesn't get all that cold. I will add that the piano black is not only a beast to keep clean, but it scratches very easily. So yeah, you can wipe it constantly and try to keep it nice, but it's still going to get all scratched up before long and that will look like crap. It's too bad they don't offer a different option for that area. My wife's BMW X3M also has the piano black and I hate it.
My girlfriend and I are looking to get a plug-in hybrid SUV in about 2 years. This was top of my list. She works mostly from home, and my commute is under 10 miles one way. But as someone that works in the car biz and drives a lot of different models, your criticism is usually spot on. Otherwise she likes the RDX. Maybe Acura will come out with a hybrid treatment on that soon
FWIW, I have a BMW X5 45e, and I'd recommend it. I think the criticism of the smaller ICE's is somewhat misplaced; under "normal" driving conditions, the X5 will preserve/generate enough electricity that it'll effectively always be there when it's needed, and it feels like it has the combined torque, while getting much better city mileage (and cheaper EV operation for trips around home). That said, you're not likely to save enough money to justify the price of a PHEV, so only get one if you like the other factors (eg: instant torque from stop even with engine off, quiet local driving, etc.), imho.
@@Nick-jq5nl I got in one of those recently and really liked it. It would be towards the top of my list, however she didn’t like the X5 when I showed her. She’s picky and has particular taste lol. I have a 22 RAM Rebel, and she has a 12 Civic that barely gets driven. Hence why there’s no immediate need to replace it. With all the electric cars being unveiled we may just skip the PHEV step.
Spot on everything you brought up. I ended up with the Overland 4XE. I do like the sound system. You need to tweak it and play a bit and you get it right. The overall price vs to what you get all around is really not bad. The Summit vs the Overland is drastically high. Was not worth it for me. I have to say that it does ride like a Range Rover. I do ride 25 miles to work and so one way + a bit is all electric. No problems by me. I do recommend to instal a level 2 charger for future cars.
I have the Wrangler 4xE and I love it. I plug it in to a 120V wall outlet every night and I always have electric range for hybrid driving. My commute is 45 miles downhill where I only use the gas engine and 45 miles uphill where I blast through the electric battery in hybrid mode with 3-5 miles left to go, so I'm a BIT outside the use case of this vehicle, and I am still averaging 27MPG! If I did light city driving I could see getting MPG into the upper 30s low 40s. Also love the acceleration on this thing (faster than the 392). Regardless, I have a new wrangler that I got a shitload of tax credits for that gets 7+ MPG better than a base wrangler (more like 9+) so I'm happy
I'm two months into my Wrangler 4xe Rubicon, and at 1,100 miles I'm averaging 32mpg. The first 300 miles of that was almost entirely in e-save to break in the ICE, so that mpg has been and will keep continuing to climb. The Jeep came with a full tank of gas and I've only filled it once. Still have 1/4 of that tank to go. The 4xe definitely isn't for everyone, but if you live in a city or drive low enough miles every day, it can be quite efficient for a 5,300lb truck shaped like a stack of bricks.
@@FullySpooled That last point is really important! There's a reason every EV has curves/teardrop shapes, aero is really important for battery vehicles (miles per kWh). The Wrangler is quite literally the worst at this XD
I love my Wrangler 4xe as well! It isn't unusual for my to get 60+ mpg as my commute is about 5 miles further than the range. I have also done up to 34 miles on a single charge which is more than 50% further than the advertised range. I felt like in this review he was comparing it to an pure electric vehicle. A lot of PEHV's do poorly on the highway when you compare to their gas counter part once the battery runs out. Hybrid is great for communiting... If you want great gas mileage on long drives. Get the Diesel!
@@cabletvguy I've never seen a reviewer do hybrids justice in their review (at least Jeep hybrids lol) and as long as you don't live in Texas and drive 3 hours a day (ok i'm being facetious) it can be a great application!
I wish all hybrids worked like the 4Xe system. I wish I can say drive town in all ev and then when I hop on the highway or go on a road trip and use the gas engine. Think about, if a parent is running errands around town all week they could technically be using all electric mode the entire time (givin they remembered to plug it in at some point). Then the weekend comes and you wanna take the family out of town, you have the gas engine for that. All week long you didn't use any gas and now you have the option to go on a short weekend trip and not have to worry about charging the entire time. Its the flexibility/options that it gives you that makes it superior to other plug-ins which don't give you those options. Best of both worlds vs having say a tesla for around town and a gas gran cherokee for the weekends. Also allows you to save on car/insurance payments.
THAT'S IT! Something most reviewers have missed. You literally could drive it in town and never touch the gas tank, so long as you stay within a certain powerband and you charge your vehicle. I own one and only fill up my tank once a month. I can easily get about 500 miles out of my vehicle before I have to fill up. It's on par with my Volkswagen Jetta TDI.
Holy gloss black, Batman! I've always thought of Jeep products as bargain bin, cost-cutting junk. I still can't look at this car and imagine anyone saying "yes" to spending over $50k on it. At $close to $90k, you have to be the world's biggest sucker.
the funny thing is Piano black is the hardest plastic component to produce. Different from the Wrangler the Grand Cherokee is 2 batteries on either side, the torque converter is replaced by the electric motors so all starts are electric dependent, ZF unit. And don't trust the trip computer for some reason Jeep uses 54mpg on electric for some odd reason. Hand calculation are consistently 10mpg over.
The real questions for this 5k lb suv are if there's a true "driver's connection to the road", has aluminum knuckles, and has knobs for volume and hvac controls. The holy trinity for this channel.
I just traded my beloved 2018 Jeep SRT for a brand new BMW X545e plug in Hybrid. I test drove the 4xe jeep and the thrashy engine and well known electrical issues scared me away. Not to mention the quality and technology compared to the BMW. The BMW can tow around 6,000 lbs with its TURBO SIX! My X5 goes 0-60 faster than my 16MPG SRT did, and does 30 miles electric (In the USA) on a charge. The comfort, quality, power and incredible technology, and similar price made it a no brainer. I have a new love in my life
The wild thing is how much you can get these for now in Spring 2024. Looking at the new LandCruiser with 10k markups, the new Ranger Raptor with 10k markups, and the new Tacoma with 10k markups, I decided to just "check on" Jeep prices. My local dealer has a Trailhawk 4xe (stickered at $67k MSRP) listed for $51k BEFORE the $7500 PHEV rebate... I called to confirm, and they will roll that into a lease for $43,500. That's 35% off MSRP! I've never seen that on a new car.
This powertrain is good for city driving. I have it in my sahara and around town its great. I fill up once every 3 weeks. If you're going to be doing long highway commutes you are better off with the diesel
Really good review. I 100% agree with you on the 4xe, although Jeep improved on it for the 2024 model. Its smoother but just not very practical for my use. I just bought a Grand Cherokee Summit with the V6. It has plenty of power and its a very quiet engine. The interior is impressive. It has 4 zone climate control, night vision with object warning, ventilated and cooling front seats, semi-autonomous driving, all the safety features you can possibly think of, air suspension, passenger side high res screen built right into the dashboard (can't even tell its there), real wood trim even on the steering wheel, etc etc etc for $66k. Its a lot of money but its also the swiss army knife of SUV's for driving around town, long hauls, bad weather and even off road. I owned 2 Mercedes GLE 350's but they are well over $80k with same options as the Grand Cherokee Summit. I've only had it for a week and so far I'm very impressed. It even has Alexa and its a very good implementation. It works exactly like Alexa devices in your home as its very responsive. I agree the MacIntosh 19 speaker 950 watt stereo is good but not great but its also not nearly as expensive as the Bowers & Wilkins. You can also get a well appointed Grand Cherokee Limited for around $50K. I also thought about the RX350 but the Grand Cherokee has a larger interior and that sloping back hatch cuts off storage space.
I have the base 4xe, 61000.00. I am estimating my first tank of gas will get me to 1,000 miles. That is on 19 gallons! I drive 16 miles to work, and occasional trips further. I love it, always will get me to work!
over 80k and mine still works. I also start looking at a new SUV at this time also. I don't like outdated tech and this one tech was outdated the moment the new model came out.
Mine is 5 years old and has well over 100k miles on it with no air suspension issues. But nothing lasts forever without problems. Same concept for the engine or transmission on any car. Keep it long enough and those will eventually fail too.
You guys see Alex on Autos review of the GC 4xe? He says the Jeep on-board trip computer is wrong, or, it doesn't calculate mpg like other PHEVs. Apparently, when in hybrid mode, it calculates miles driven using the battery differently, resulting in lower mpg than actual (or something like that)...Any thoughts? Would you change your impressions if the real mpg was noticeably higher?
@@airdrummond241 It's for the "whatabout" people who swear they need a gas engine for the 1-2 road trips they take a year that exceed the range of a normal EV.
Some people consider themselves lucky enough to beat the Stellantis odds and lease this thing. The crazier and self abusive among us might even buy it. But you would have to be a LUNATIC to keep this out of warranty. But congrats to the techs at the Jeeps dealerships. This one might put your son or daughter through college.
The interior is good looking but when you cross than 60k barrier you vehicle has be excellent. If you ignore the subjective stuff the luxury brands have very strong all around products in this range. You can't show up with so so fuel economy and so so refinement. That ultimately shows the difference between a car that was built to start at 40k and one than designed with a 60k start but options up to that same 79k.
FYI, The 4 BY E reserves 15% of battery capacity at all times so you always have full 375 horsepower on tap. Only time you wouldn't is when you're using electric only. These also lease for less than $20k bc Stellantis factors in the tax credit. Driving a $66k vehicle around for under $7k a year (that also saves you $75/mo on gas) is pretty nice.
This is a PHEV not a hybrid! I have a '21 RX450h and just bought the 4xe with Lux II package. With the tax credit, the base 4xe can be had under $60K. This review is of the top trim Summit Reserve of the 4xe, but the base is very well equipped. It's wrong in comparing it to the Explorer or the Passport, neither offer a PHEV SUV, and the Explorer hybrid does not get MPG's like the 4xe. I have a short commute, so "e" mode works well for that 12 mile round trip. You can't run just battery on the Explorer hybrid , Passport (no battery) or the RX450h. I never get over 28MPG in the Lexus, I'm getting over 30 in hybrid mode in the 4xe and it does not take premium gas like the Lexus (or BMW). I'm still on my first tank of gas, 2 tanks in on the RX450h in the same time. You can't get a X5 with the options the base 4xe has with the Lux II package under $75K- no ventilated seats for example. I agree on the hybrid of Lexus being smoother, but the 4xe moves when you push the gas- give me gears over a CVT any day.
Wish Jeep wasnt trying to lean more on the luxury side with the price to match, it was an amazing mid level option that left you pleased for the value and capability now they messed that up
Why ? Is an excellent question…….the v6 gets basically the same mpg as 4xe…….except for electric only range, which isn’t much. I wouldn’t trust Jeep with hybrid technology……yet.
Same as most plug-in hybrids: if you can charge it at home or work and your regular commute is within the battery range, it makes a lot of sense. If you live out in the boonies, it's pointless and you'd be better off with the V6 or V8. I live in NYC and I've seen a surprising number of Wrangler 4xe so far, not sure if people are buying them for practical reasons or just because it's the latest newfangled toy.
Unless you are looking for a mid-size or larger, for Plug-in Hybrid SUV, I'd say the best one is the Toyota RAV4 Prime. But this car is very hard to get, you will have to pay premium price.
When I think of long term high tech longevity, I think of French Fiat-Chrysler. I guess it MIGHT last the warranty period, and hits some government regulatory numbers.
I called this when it was first announced unfortunately. I think it’s the same reason Porsche makes so many suvs. License out their name and they probably made as much on that as the rest of their product line for the year. So the cash let’s them continue delivering the home products that are actually good.
@@upshifter5316 Porsche makes SUVs because they sell a ton of them at high profit margins. Have you ever... driven a Porsche SUV? The Macan GTS is awesome to drive and sounds amazing in real life. There's nothing cheap or down market about them.
@@tim3172 didn’t mean to imply Porsche suvs are anything other than terrific. Rather that it’s not what we traditionally want from Porsche. You did help make my point that they make buckoo bux off them, so that they can continue to produce products purists expect from Porsche (McIntosh).
In the Costco sound bar and Bluetooth era, I suspect takers for high end audio equipment with blue dials has slowed, and so in desperate times comes…. Off brand licensing deals.
This will be a great tool for sales people everywhere. "Yeah it has tons of power, great mileage, and it saves the environment. Literally no downsides. It's honestly the only responsible way to get around."
The price premium of this over the 3.6 is pretty hard to justify. Of course Stellantis has been developing a turbo straight six for it's platforms. If they don't totally mess it up, that should be a very smooth powerplant. Probably not B58 smooth, but sixes are naturally very smooth. The mileage, at 21mpg, is pretty bad. I'd bet you'd come close to that with the Pentastar V6, since it's not dragging around a heavy battery pack.
So my f150 Powerboost (standard hybrid) I average around 24mpg. It kicks off the engine going down hill with little throttle input and cuts off when gently braking. with this having a big electric range, how does it act when the battery is done? does it just keep the engine on until it gets to a certain charge level?
The hybrid drive will never le the battery deplete fully, 99.9% of the time you will have full output if you get on it, even with 0 indicated EV range.
We have a Wrangler 4Xe and love it. It is my wife's daily and it is perfect for her commute. Our best tank of fuel was about 1200 miles and this current tank should be over 2000 miles. Is the hybrid system perfect? No, but it is a good first attempt for Jeep. Riding around town, it feels like a big golf cart. Do we plan on keeping it long-term? No. Hopefully, by the time the lease is up, Jeep will up their hybrid game and the 2025 Wrangler will be leaps and bounds better.
Jeep moving into the more premium segment is a strange move to me. Not sure how many soccer moms you’re going to get to say “for $80K, I can buy a Lexus, a Mercedes, OR A JEEP… what a tough decision!”
You can get a base 4Xe (Limited trim essentially) for the $50k range which is nice. We have the Grand Cherokee L Limited. I wish the 4Xe came in the L model
@@jackholmes8105 price must’ve gone up, last I checked when the 4Xe first dropped I want to say it was $54-$55k. In my state, between state and federal rebates for driving a plug in hybrid, you get a nearly $12k tax credit
I have one and have been having nothing but problems. Something is wrong with the torque engine I believe. I've taken it two Jeep three times 2 months into owning it and they can't seem to fix it. I'm very dissatisfied
Having sold Volvo among many other brands. The high-end Volvo audio systems can't hold a candle to the 22(23?) Harman Kardon system. That system is remarkably clear, has a wide range, and much deeper base. I don't know why this system isn't in the Jeep. I guess the name plate of Harman Kardon isn't seen as the same level, but the performance of that system is amazing.
H/K is not the same everywhere you see the badge. What vehicle are you referring to? I literally auditioned the H/K in a Ram 1500 yesterday and found it extremely disappointing. Probably had a curve similar to this Jeep with over abundant, muddy lows and the mods and highs were extremely under powered , and in addition the staging and imaging was very poor. This was tested on lossless audio tracks.
I have no interest in this car. However your description seemed spot on ; clear,informative, practical and entertaining ( consdering this vehicle is boring and ovepriced)Thanks Jack.
Let me say this…for all of the (valid) criticisms of the core I4 engine in this configuration, the Volvo I4 setup in literally EVERY vehicle they make is equally horrific.
I guess PHEV were developed as a way of “tricking” some existing legistation on taxes and emissions which is already changing in many cases, making them less advantageous. Still if used properly I guess they can become a good everyday use proposition. But is it really necessary to use a huge SUV for commuting?
I don't think they were developed as a way to trick anything. I see PHEVs as more of a bridge between ICE and pure EV until the time pure EVs can handle long distance travel with the ease of ICE. The EV range of most PHEVs work well for people who really have daily commutes/errands where they really are driving 30 miles or less daily and can charge at home. While the hybrid/ICE part of the equation can handle long distance travel.
I don’t understand plug in hybrids. If you don’t charge it, won’t you get worse mpg than a regular gas model because of the additional weight? I think non plug in hybrids (venza, Tucson etc) make more sense because you get the better mpg without having to charge it. The new jeeps look great but the 4xe systems are a big let down.
Thats actually the point. It's not for all users. If your work commiute is say...q0 miles or less.... or just less than your overall electric only mode range, annd you charge every night or at work, Monday through Friday and maybe saturday morning: you use no gas, right? 5 days out of the week at max efficiency vs 2days at so-so efficiency. ITs for people that know, for sure, short trips every day and cap top off the battery.
Yeah, and I myself was on then fence between, Tucson HEV vs PHEV, in the end, I realized I will bever be that efficient, my commute is 17 miles each way, I cant always charge at work and even the Tax credit, the extra $$ for the PHEV, wasnt worth it. But I can see how for Majority of people, they can get amazing efficiency out of a Plug in hybrid.
The 4xe system can go well over 100kms/h in electric mode before it switches to Hybrid. Also you are wrong. The vehicle ALWAYS has 375hp/470tq, it never doesn't have that power. It's never "just a 4 cylinder" I hate how all the auto reviewers who are "pros" can't get the actual operation of the vehicle correct. So you got 21mpg....having 375hp/470tq which is way more than the V8.......what mileage would you get in the v8? Not even close to that
I literally watched a interview with the 4xe chief engineer and he clearly stated once it kills the battery and you put it under constant load it will not meet peak numbers and primarily be 4 cylinder 🤷♂️. Dunno how much more direct you can get than that. Its not just a jeep problem most phevs are that way. Rav 4 prime is a good example.
@@jackholmes8105 all the real world testing showing how the 4xe system has maximum power even when the battery is "dead" but the battery never is dead it always retains a 15% charge even when the dash says zero
I have a 2014 Jeep GC Summit Eco Diesel, and I paid $18k under the MSRP (58k) when I bought it new. With the economy tanking and cars components shortages easing up, they will not be able to give these away in few months.
Wish FCA/Stellantis could have gone full electric much faster - it's right in their power stroke for high-torque systems. Near-term profits must have been too hard to ignore.
"Jeep Grand Cherokee 4XE Summit Reserve". This name inspires my imagination to view either an extremely strange bottle of wine I cannot afford or a nature preserve with a bunch of autonomous jeeps roaming around a misty hillside in Oregon living their best free range lives before being captured and given a 3 inch lift.
Genius. Golf clap.
Lmao
It also sounds like a modified sex position.
Given a 3 in lift but left on the stock dueler tires
“Jeepbreaking” (ie Jeep ownership)
The audio system testing graphs you guys show are a quick part of the video but they are such a great resource and it’s awesome to even have that info
I never know what it means so it feels kind of useless to me.
Yes! So grateful they include those.
Agree! I wish more folks would focus on audio as personally that is a huge focus for me if I’m shopping
@@DoctorSkillz You could spend a couple of minutes educating yourself on what they show or you could just complain.
Either way.
@@tim3172 I don't need some chart to blip on the screen to know if the sound quality of an audio system in a car is good or bad. I've got ears for that.
Pronounced Four BY E. And you have full 375 HP and 470 Lb Ft TQ with a charge or without. The Jeep always keeps at least 15% battery even if it shows empty. They are very expensive yes, but have been extremely popular. At least the Wrangler 4XE.
Yes. I have 15K miles on my 4XE. It always has approx 15% battery. How does it not deplete that last 15%? It aggressively recharges the battery off the gas engine at zero range which allows full power battery assistance when needed.
On a 120 mile trip I got 28 mpg average in mine even after the battery was depleted 🤷🏼♂️ Also, on short local trips or my commute to work which is all less than 25 mi, it works perfect in all electric mode, which is where you really get the most utility out of it being a PHEV
I have owned a Jeep Wrangler Rubicon 4XE for 19 months and have averaged 37mpg lifetime. Many of our trips are less than 25 miles round trip multiple times per day, and we have a Level 2 charger so it takes about 1 hour to get 70% charge when at 0% and about 1 hour 45 minutes to get a full charge. We also own a Tesla Model 3 Performance and often go months without putting gas in the Jeep. As long as your not taking longer trips the hybrid range works great.
I had a grand Cherokee for a rental a while back. Yes the piano black was DESTROYED at 12,500 miles. It was a 3.6 and over 1350 miles, I averaged around 25 MPG hauling several hundred pounds of IT garbage. Overall, I quite liked it. But at the mid to high 40s, I thought it was a little expensive for what it was. However, of the 'domestics' it's far better than the exploder and the blazer/traverse. They do need to work on their radar cruise systems though, it's very harsh and loves to get to whatever distance you set as fast as possible
Interior PPF is a thing and should be the first thing done for anyone buying this
@@cwx8 it still will look nasty with ppf
Concur. I drove a 2022 Blazer rental with the piano black. After 24k miles it already looked like a cat’s scratching board .
Exploder 😂
@@cwx8 No I don't want plastic wrapped black garbage.
When you drive a hybrid you have to drive them a certain way in order to truly extract all the range and mpg. You have to find the mpg zone, gliding, braking to gain the most charge. Plus this thing weighs nearly what a full size 1500 does, which is crazy considering its midsize. But considering most people that actually buy this thing make 150k plus are never going to obsess over the mpg. They will plug it in at home, drive, fill it up once a month and repeat. Then it becomes what's the point of it.
You nailed it - it’s basically a vanity hybrid.
Here in Canada this vehicle gets into the 115K range. Still, it does have features that most SUVs do not have. The rear entertainment system and integration with passenger screen is pretty one of a kind and is more useful than anyone without kids will ever understand. The problem we ran into is the feedback that this thing doesn't really get notable fuel economy due to the massive weight gain. From there you add in questions about reliability and now it gets quite difficult to justify. Right now they have discontinued the V8 offering in the 5-seater which is a fairly good indicator that the 3.0L twin turbo inline 6 "Hurricane" motor is on the way which should make for a highly competitive offering.
I don’t know anyone that can afford a $75k vehicle let alone a this pig.
I don't see any use for those extra screen. I would say leather in the dash is FAR better than that screen.
Don't expect magical fuel economy improvements.
Dude. Rear infotainment has been around for 20+ years. It's not a Jeep specialty. Also, if you need your kids glued to a screen while driving...you're doing life wrong
@@jalopy2472 I didn't say anything about reliability.
I've had my 4XE GC (2024 Anniversary Edition) for a few months now and I love it. I drive approximately 100 miles a week to and from work (I'm an airline pilot. My car will sit for a few days before I return). From my house to the airport, it's approximately 50 miles.
The audio has been amazing. The gas milage has been great. It's on par with my 2013 VW Jetta TDI. The Piano Black does suck, but I'm meticulous about cleaning my car and keeping it clean, so it's not much of an issue. The battery charge is amazing. With a drive to the airport, I'm usually getting about 31 MPG. That 50 mile drive, about 20 miles of it will be on battery. I drive on the highway, E-Saver, which also recharges my battery. Even though it rates at 28 Miles on electric, I've been able to stretch that out due to regenerative braking.
I fill up my gas tank once a month. I've been stuck in traffic a few times in it and it was amazing! It's quiet, it's comfortable, and it handles well on the road (previous owned a 2011 Jeep Grand Cherokee V8 Limited). I'm not a car expert, but the vehicle fits my needs and exceeds them... Ultimately that's what I feel each one of these car reviewers miss in their breakdown on a vehicle, PURPOSE...
Also, with my state's laws on EV (Washington), I got a huge rebate, dealer incentives, trade-in, and other things that brought my brand new vehicle price down to around $53K. I got the vehicle with 200 miles on it (sat on the lot in the show room as a test vehicle from Jeep).
"Oh it has great fuel mileage" Proceeds to pay a $25,000 premium for marginally better fuel economy.
Worse on highway after you've drained the battery... And you might save $5k on gas using the plug in aspect before the batteries are shot
4xe's lease better because of the tax credit, so they're actually less than the gas equivalent.
I always though it was supposed to be "Four By E." Unless the choice was intentional as making fun of the hybrid designation?
It is "four by e"
It is. I wonder if he says 4ex4 also.
The guy is a moron. If course it's "four by e"
The interior looks very nice besides the piano-black, the screen is also nicely worked into the dash.
I gotta say I'm really impressed by 4xe and addicted to the power! Got it sideways in the wet yesterday and had a good laugh. We have a 3.6 GCL and received a 4xe Trailhawk loaner for this past week. The combination of the extra power and air suspension is a huge leap forward. Despite the off-road wrangler tiers, the turn-in is crisp and the body control is way better with the shorter wheelbase and air suspension. As someone who couldn't stomach the 14mpgs of the V8, the 4xe makes sense if you want the power without the guilt and shame of the hemi.
Hi, do you have a 3.6 WL grand cherokee? how has been reliability so far?
@@fredrce core components are fine, tech is less flawless. Charge ports don’t work and emergency collision avoidance has issues
I understand that you review what you get, but it really is a disservice to give you an $80k top trim Jeep. At ~$60k and a $7500 tax credit a lower trim GC 4xe makes a ton of sense. I have the Wrangler 4xe and almost all my non-road-trip miles are in EV mode, which works fantastically for me. I also got mine when Stellantis was blowing these out on super cheap lease deals, which were fantastic.
Confident Jeep will sell tens of these.
I drove 100 miles in hybrid mode from the dealership where I purchased my summit reserve 4xE. It barely used any gasoline at all. Maybe I’m not as refined as the gentleman in the video but the inside looks fabulous. It’s mostly leather and wood in the interior. Granted there is some Piano black material where you can see lots of fingerprints. I can understand that people wouldn’t like this material but if you take the time to clean it, it does look good. The McIntosh audio system in this Jeep is one of the best. My experience so far with this vehicle has been positive. The only negative thing is that you can’t go into electric only mode in the winter.
Good to hear someone else's opinion on this guy's talking points. Interesting to know that you can't do electric only in winter. I wonder what it considers winter because I'm in Texas and it doesn't get all that cold. I will add that the piano black is not only a beast to keep clean, but it scratches very easily. So yeah, you can wipe it constantly and try to keep it nice, but it's still going to get all scratched up before long and that will look like crap. It's too bad they don't offer a different option for that area. My wife's BMW X3M also has the piano black and I hate it.
My girlfriend and I are looking to get a plug-in hybrid SUV in about 2 years. This was top of my list. She works mostly from home, and my commute is under 10 miles one way. But as someone that works in the car biz and drives a lot of different models, your criticism is usually spot on. Otherwise she likes the RDX. Maybe Acura will come out with a hybrid treatment on that soon
FWIW, I have a BMW X5 45e, and I'd recommend it. I think the criticism of the smaller ICE's is somewhat misplaced; under "normal" driving conditions, the X5 will preserve/generate enough electricity that it'll effectively always be there when it's needed, and it feels like it has the combined torque, while getting much better city mileage (and cheaper EV operation for trips around home). That said, you're not likely to save enough money to justify the price of a PHEV, so only get one if you like the other factors (eg: instant torque from stop even with engine off, quiet local driving, etc.), imho.
Put a deposit down on a rav4 prime it will show up to the dealer in about 2 yeats
Have you checked out the Volvo XC60 or XC90 Recharge?
@@Nick-jq5nl I got in one of those recently and really liked it. It would be towards the top of my list, however she didn’t like the X5 when I showed her. She’s picky and has particular taste lol. I have a 22 RAM Rebel, and she has a 12 Civic that barely gets driven. Hence why there’s no immediate need to replace it. With all the electric cars being unveiled we may just skip the PHEV step.
@@erikn.7540 I myself am not a fan of modern Volvos, but I have not had her check out any. I'll have to add it to the list.
I like this channel bc you cover a lot of the cars I see at the car wash I work at every day
Do all car washes scratch paint?
Nice little Coolio tribute at 5:07 ... RIP
Spot on everything you brought up. I ended up with the Overland 4XE. I do like the sound system. You need to tweak it and play a bit and you get it right. The overall price vs to what you get all around is really not bad. The Summit vs the Overland is drastically high. Was not worth it for me. I have to say that it does ride like a Range Rover. I do ride 25 miles to work and so one way + a bit is all electric. No problems by me. I do recommend to instal a level 2 charger for future cars.
I have the Wrangler 4xE and I love it. I plug it in to a 120V wall outlet every night and I always have electric range for hybrid driving. My commute is 45 miles downhill where I only use the gas engine and 45 miles uphill where I blast through the electric battery in hybrid mode with 3-5 miles left to go, so I'm a BIT outside the use case of this vehicle, and I am still averaging 27MPG! If I did light city driving I could see getting MPG into the upper 30s low 40s. Also love the acceleration on this thing (faster than the 392). Regardless, I have a new wrangler that I got a shitload of tax credits for that gets 7+ MPG better than a base wrangler (more like 9+) so I'm happy
I'm two months into my Wrangler 4xe Rubicon, and at 1,100 miles I'm averaging 32mpg. The first 300 miles of that was almost entirely in e-save to break in the ICE, so that mpg has been and will keep continuing to climb. The Jeep came with a full tank of gas and I've only filled it once. Still have 1/4 of that tank to go. The 4xe definitely isn't for everyone, but if you live in a city or drive low enough miles every day, it can be quite efficient for a 5,300lb truck shaped like a stack of bricks.
@@FullySpooled That last point is really important! There's a reason every EV has curves/teardrop shapes, aero is really important for battery vehicles (miles per kWh). The Wrangler is quite literally the worst at this XD
I love my Wrangler 4xe as well! It isn't unusual for my to get 60+ mpg as my commute is about 5 miles further than the range. I have also done up to 34 miles on a single charge which is more than 50% further than the advertised range. I felt like in this review he was comparing it to an pure electric vehicle. A lot of PEHV's do poorly on the highway when you compare to their gas counter part once the battery runs out. Hybrid is great for communiting... If you want great gas mileage on long drives. Get the Diesel!
@@cabletvguy I've never seen a reviewer do hybrids justice in their review (at least Jeep hybrids lol) and as long as you don't live in Texas and drive 3 hours a day (ok i'm being facetious) it can be a great application!
Whoa...saw Coolio on the infotainment screen...he JUST passed away......im sure this was filmed before that happend. Freaky!
Came to say the same. He's gone on his final Fantastic Voyage.
You said a lot in a short amount of time. Well done
I wish all hybrids worked like the 4Xe system. I wish I can say drive town in all ev and then when I hop on the highway or go on a road trip and use the gas engine. Think about, if a parent is running errands around town all week they could technically be using all electric mode the entire time (givin they remembered to plug it in at some point). Then the weekend comes and you wanna take the family out of town, you have the gas engine for that. All week long you didn't use any gas and now you have the option to go on a short weekend trip and not have to worry about charging the entire time. Its the flexibility/options that it gives you that makes it superior to other plug-ins which don't give you those options. Best of both worlds vs having say a tesla for around town and a gas gran cherokee for the weekends. Also allows you to save on car/insurance payments.
This was the side of this SUV that had been ignored by this review.
So the review was short sighted and one sighted in this regard
So haul a heavy battery around on weekends, got it.
THAT'S IT! Something most reviewers have missed. You literally could drive it in town and never touch the gas tank, so long as you stay within a certain powerband and you charge your vehicle.
I own one and only fill up my tank once a month. I can easily get about 500 miles out of my vehicle before I have to fill up. It's on par with my Volkswagen Jetta TDI.
Holy gloss black, Batman! I've always thought of Jeep products as bargain bin, cost-cutting junk. I still can't look at this car and imagine anyone saying "yes" to spending over $50k on it. At $close to $90k, you have to be the world's biggest sucker.
Okay
Its competing with Range Rovers now, not Ford Explorers. Jeep is far more upscale and has 4wd that you can only find in Land Rovers.
the funny thing is Piano black is the hardest plastic component to produce. Different from the Wrangler the Grand Cherokee is 2 batteries on either side, the torque converter is replaced by the electric motors so all starts are electric dependent, ZF unit. And don't trust the trip computer for some reason Jeep uses 54mpg on electric for some odd reason. Hand calculation are consistently 10mpg over.
fit and finish by the headlight at :32. lol
Damn, that bumper is pulling away… maybe because it’s a press car that gets thrashed?
The real questions for this 5k lb suv are if there's a true "driver's connection to the road", has aluminum knuckles, and has knobs for volume and hvac controls. The holy trinity for this channel.
I just traded my beloved 2018 Jeep SRT for a brand new BMW X545e plug in Hybrid. I test drove the 4xe jeep and the thrashy engine and well known electrical issues scared me away. Not to mention the quality and technology compared to the BMW. The BMW can tow around 6,000 lbs with its TURBO SIX! My X5 goes 0-60 faster than my 16MPG SRT did, and does 30 miles electric (In the USA) on a charge. The comfort, quality, power and incredible technology, and similar price made it a no brainer. I have a new love in my life
The wild thing is how much you can get these for now in Spring 2024. Looking at the new LandCruiser with 10k markups, the new Ranger Raptor with 10k markups, and the new Tacoma with 10k markups, I decided to just "check on" Jeep prices. My local dealer has a Trailhawk 4xe (stickered at $67k MSRP) listed for $51k BEFORE the $7500 PHEV rebate... I called to confirm, and they will roll that into a lease for $43,500. That's 35% off MSRP! I've never seen that on a new car.
This powertrain is good for city driving. I have it in my sahara and around town its great. I fill up once every 3 weeks. If you're going to be doing long highway commutes you are better off with the diesel
The EcoDiesel is dead in the USA. Unfortunately.
I fill up my GTI every 3 weeks.
Really good review. I 100% agree with you on the 4xe, although Jeep improved on it for the 2024 model. Its smoother but just not very practical for my use. I just bought a Grand Cherokee Summit with the V6. It has plenty of power and its a very quiet engine. The interior is impressive. It has 4 zone climate control, night vision with object warning, ventilated and cooling front seats, semi-autonomous driving, all the safety features you can possibly think of, air suspension, passenger side high res screen built right into the dashboard (can't even tell its there), real wood trim even on the steering wheel, etc etc etc for $66k. Its a lot of money but its also the swiss army knife of SUV's for driving around town, long hauls, bad weather and even off road. I owned 2 Mercedes GLE 350's but they are well over $80k with same options as the Grand Cherokee Summit. I've only had it for a week and so far I'm very impressed. It even has Alexa and its a very good implementation. It works exactly like Alexa devices in your home as its very responsive. I agree the MacIntosh 19 speaker 950 watt stereo is good but not great but its also not nearly as expensive as the Bowers & Wilkins. You can also get a well appointed Grand Cherokee Limited for around $50K. I also thought about the RX350 but the Grand Cherokee has a larger interior and that sloping back hatch cuts off storage space.
I have the base 4xe, 61000.00. I am estimating my first tank of gas will get me to 1,000 miles. That is on 19 gallons! I drive 16 miles to work, and occasional trips further. I love it, always will get me to work!
I can guarantee to you it’s not if the air ride suspension goes out it’s when.
over 80k and mine still works. I also start looking at a new SUV at this time also. I don't like outdated tech and this one tech was outdated the moment the new model came out.
Mine is 5 years old and has well over 100k miles on it with no air suspension issues. But nothing lasts forever without problems. Same concept for the engine or transmission on any car. Keep it long enough and those will eventually fail too.
You guys see Alex on Autos review of the GC 4xe? He says the Jeep on-board trip computer is wrong, or, it doesn't calculate mpg like other PHEVs. Apparently, when in hybrid mode, it calculates miles driven using the battery differently, resulting in lower mpg than actual (or something like that)...Any thoughts? Would you change your impressions if the real mpg was noticeably higher?
Nice to see the they brought Patagonia back as a sponsor.
I think the 4xe drivetrain is for the commuters within the battery range to live primarily as an EV. For refinement you go with the V8.
V8 will always win on refinement.
Would think those commuters would be much better served getting an actual EV and not lugging around a dormant engine and transmission.
@@airdrummond241 It's for the "whatabout" people who swear they need a gas engine for the 1-2 road trips they take a year that exceed the range of a normal EV.
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Aside from my LS400, I’ve had more inline sixes that were smoother than most V8s.
@@KT_One Yes, the I6 and derivatives are the only mathematically fully balanced engines.
Props for the Coolio cameo. R.I.P.
Poor Coolio didn’t get to see his debut on Savagegeese.
Some people consider themselves lucky enough to beat the Stellantis odds and lease this thing. The crazier and self abusive among us might even buy it. But you would have to be a LUNATIC to keep this out of warranty.
But congrats to the techs at the Jeeps dealerships. This one might put your son or daughter through college.
fuel pump relay still on the PCB?
You guys are the best! Why does everybody say 4Xe wrong? It’s supposed to be said like 4X4(4 by 4). It’s meant to be Play on words, 4 by e!
You mention the Lexus RX, but wouldn't the GX but a more equivalent competitor given the price and offroad capabilities?
I’ve owned both the 6 and 8 cylinder. No complaints.
Do not complain about the almost 80.000$ price, it STARTS from 96.000 euros in Italy (like 100.000$)
What about $7500 tax credits? No mention. The 4xe base model is very affordable!
I have a 2019 Durango with the 3.6, we get 19mpg around town and 25 highway.
The interior is good looking but when you cross than 60k barrier you vehicle has be excellent. If you ignore the subjective stuff the luxury brands have very strong all around products in this range. You can't show up with so so fuel economy and so so refinement. That ultimately shows the difference between a car that was built to start at 40k and one than designed with a 60k start but options up to that same 79k.
Nice take!
No, the interior isn't good looking. A $18k Nissan Versa has a nicer interior.
FYI, The 4 BY E reserves 15% of battery capacity at all times so you always have full 375 horsepower on tap. Only time you wouldn't is when you're using electric only.
These also lease for less than $20k bc Stellantis factors in the tax credit. Driving a $66k vehicle around for under $7k a year (that also saves you $75/mo on gas) is pretty nice.
Update, Limited (base trim) is currently leasing for a one pay of about $17k. There's also 0for72 financing.
This is a PHEV not a hybrid! I have a '21 RX450h and just bought the 4xe with Lux II package. With the tax credit, the base 4xe can be had under $60K. This review is of the top trim Summit Reserve of the 4xe, but the base is very well equipped. It's wrong in comparing it to the Explorer or the Passport, neither offer a PHEV SUV, and the Explorer hybrid does not get MPG's like the 4xe. I have a short commute, so "e" mode works well for that 12 mile round trip. You can't run just battery on the Explorer hybrid , Passport (no battery) or the RX450h. I never get over 28MPG in the Lexus, I'm getting over 30 in hybrid mode in the 4xe and it does not take premium gas like the Lexus (or BMW). I'm still on my first tank of gas, 2 tanks in on the RX450h in the same time. You can't get a X5 with the options the base 4xe has with the Lux II package under $75K- no ventilated seats for example. I agree on the hybrid of Lexus being smoother, but the 4xe moves when you push the gas- give me gears over a CVT any day.
Jeep had one of the best sound systems back in 96'.
Infinity Gold by Jeep. 😂
Still have the Sample CD that came with it.
@@upshifter5316 thank you!!!
Great job Jack!
Can't you put some protective film on that piano black ❓🤷♂🤔
The bump in lower frequencies can most likely be adjusted.
Wish Jeep wasnt trying to lean more on the luxury side with the price to match, it was an amazing mid level option that left you pleased for the value and capability now they messed that up
Why ? Is an excellent question…….the v6 gets basically the same mpg as 4xe…….except for electric only range, which isn’t much. I wouldn’t trust Jeep with hybrid technology……yet.
Same as most plug-in hybrids: if you can charge it at home or work and your regular commute is within the battery range, it makes a lot of sense. If you live out in the boonies, it's pointless and you'd be better off with the V6 or V8. I live in NYC and I've seen a surprising number of Wrangler 4xe so far, not sure if people are buying them for practical reasons or just because it's the latest newfangled toy.
V6 also doesn't have 375hp and 470tq
The 4Xe makes vastly more power and torque too
Powertrains aside, this car is beautiful.
Wow! Great review!
Unless you are looking for a mid-size or larger, for Plug-in Hybrid SUV, I'd say the best one is the Toyota RAV4 Prime. But this car is very hard to get, you will have to pay premium price.
When I think of long term high tech longevity, I think of French Fiat-Chrysler.
I guess it MIGHT last the warranty period, and hits some government regulatory numbers.
FYI: Audio in the Driving Impressions portion sounded 'canny'
At $80k*, STELANTIS is saying “we don’t really want to sell many of these”.
How can McIntosh let their name be used and have a system that sounds less than stellar? That name promises something like what B&W delivers. Wow.
I called this when it was first announced unfortunately.
I think it’s the same reason Porsche makes so many suvs.
License out their name and they probably made as much on that as the rest of their product line for the year.
So the cash let’s them continue delivering the home products that are actually good.
@@upshifter5316 Porsche makes SUVs because they sell a ton of them at high profit margins.
Have you ever... driven a Porsche SUV? The Macan GTS is awesome to drive and sounds amazing in real life.
There's nothing cheap or down market about them.
@@tim3172 didn’t mean to imply Porsche suvs are anything other than terrific. Rather that it’s not what we traditionally want from Porsche. You did help make my point that they make buckoo bux off them, so that they can continue to produce products purists expect from Porsche (McIntosh).
In the Costco sound bar and Bluetooth era, I suspect takers for high end audio equipment with blue dials has slowed, and so in desperate times comes…. Off brand licensing deals.
This will be a great tool for sales people everywhere. "Yeah it has tons of power, great mileage, and it saves the environment. Literally no downsides. It's honestly the only responsible way to get around."
Brutally honest, thanks
The price premium of this over the 3.6 is pretty hard to justify. Of course Stellantis has been developing a turbo straight six for it's platforms. If they don't totally mess it up, that should be a very smooth powerplant. Probably not B58 smooth, but sixes are naturally very smooth. The mileage, at 21mpg, is pretty bad. I'd bet you'd come close to that with the Pentastar V6, since it's not dragging around a heavy battery pack.
Man. Disappointed in myself as in my head I’ve called it “4 by e” and not “4 x e”. Another lesson from the School of Jack.
Need a 4xe version of the Compass!
So my f150 Powerboost (standard hybrid) I average around 24mpg. It kicks off the engine going down hill with little throttle input and cuts off when gently braking. with this having a big electric range, how does it act when the battery is done? does it just keep the engine on until it gets to a certain charge level?
The hybrid drive will never le the battery deplete fully, 99.9% of the time you will have full output if you get on it, even with 0 indicated EV range.
We have a Wrangler 4Xe and love it. It is my wife's daily and it is perfect for her commute. Our best tank of fuel was about 1200 miles and this current tank should be over 2000 miles. Is the hybrid system perfect? No, but it is a good first attempt for Jeep. Riding around town, it feels like a big golf cart. Do we plan on keeping it long-term? No. Hopefully, by the time the lease is up, Jeep will up their hybrid game and the 2025 Wrangler will be leaps and bounds better.
Is that the same air ride that’s been failing on the ram trucks?
I don’t see this becoming the new Banana for Matt’s off-road recovery.
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Will 2022 models be at dealers prior to 2023? The inability to even test drive one of these makes them a pretty hard sell.
Jeep moving into the more premium segment is a strange move to me. Not sure how many soccer moms you’re going to get to say “for $80K, I can buy a Lexus, a Mercedes, OR A JEEP… what a tough decision!”
Nice thick layer from the redeye.
You can get a base 4Xe (Limited trim essentially) for the $50k range which is nice. We have the Grand Cherokee L Limited. I wish the 4Xe came in the L model
Base is 58 i think. Which is a ton of money imo.
@@jackholmes8105 price must’ve gone up, last I checked when the 4Xe first dropped I want to say it was $54-$55k. In my state, between state and federal rebates for driving a plug in hybrid, you get a nearly $12k tax credit
How would you compare the interior against the new X3?
I have one and have been having nothing but problems. Something is wrong with the torque engine I believe. I've taken it two Jeep three times 2 months into owning it and they can't seem to fix it. I'm very dissatisfied
Having sold Volvo among many other brands. The high-end Volvo audio systems can't hold a candle to the 22(23?) Harman Kardon system. That system is remarkably clear, has a wide range, and much deeper base. I don't know why this system isn't in the Jeep. I guess the name plate of Harman Kardon isn't seen as the same level, but the performance of that system is amazing.
H/K is not the same everywhere you see the badge.
What vehicle are you referring to?
I literally auditioned the H/K in a Ram 1500 yesterday and found it extremely disappointing. Probably had a curve similar to this Jeep with over abundant, muddy lows and the mods and highs were extremely under powered , and in addition the staging and imaging was very poor.
This was tested on lossless audio tracks.
Sales for the summit reserve may suffer thx to the federal reserve
There is a lot of talk about the 4Xe having problems in the cold. Something about fuel and oil lock up. A lot of them were returned up here in Alaska.
I have no interest in this car. However your description seemed spot on ; clear,informative, practical and entertaining ( consdering this vehicle is boring and ovepriced)Thanks Jack.
Let me say this…for all of the (valid) criticisms of the core I4 engine in this configuration, the Volvo I4 setup in literally EVERY vehicle they make is equally horrific.
I guess PHEV were developed as a way of “tricking” some existing legistation on taxes and emissions which is already changing in many cases, making them less advantageous. Still if used properly I guess they can become a good everyday use proposition. But is it really necessary to use a huge SUV for commuting?
I don't think they were developed as a way to trick anything. I see PHEVs as more of a bridge between ICE and pure EV until the time pure EVs can handle long distance travel with the ease of ICE. The EV range of most PHEVs work well for people who really have daily commutes/errands where they really are driving 30 miles or less daily and can charge at home. While the hybrid/ICE part of the equation can handle long distance travel.
One of the other reasons to buy it is government grants and credits though, just to mention it.
The 5.7 is the only engine option I’d ever get in one of these
Range Rover Sport PHEV has 38 kWh battery and Level 3 CCS fast charging, so it's a great example but quite a bit more expensive, up over $120K.
There are hundreds of these sitting at my dealer. Even with the 12.5k in incentives no one wants to bite lol
I don’t understand plug in hybrids. If you don’t charge it, won’t you get worse mpg than a regular gas model because of the additional weight? I think non plug in hybrids (venza, Tucson etc) make more sense because you get the better mpg without having to charge it. The new jeeps look great but the 4xe systems are a big let down.
Thats actually the point. It's not for all users. If your work commiute is say...q0 miles or less.... or just less than your overall electric only mode range, annd you charge every night or at work, Monday through Friday and maybe saturday morning: you use no gas, right? 5 days out of the week at max efficiency vs 2days at so-so efficiency.
ITs for people that know, for sure, short trips every day and cap top off the battery.
@@NoodlesExtraMSG in that sense I get it, maximum efficiency for short commutes.
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Another advantage is that it makes more power than a regular hybrid, 370hp/470lb-ft is quite good!!
Yeah, and I myself was on then fence between, Tucson HEV vs PHEV, in the end, I realized I will bever be that efficient, my commute is 17 miles each way, I cant always charge at work and even the Tax credit, the extra $$ for the PHEV, wasnt worth it. But I can see how for Majority of people, they can get amazing efficiency out of a Plug in hybrid.
The 4xe system can go well over 100kms/h in electric mode before it switches to Hybrid. Also you are wrong. The vehicle ALWAYS has 375hp/470tq, it never doesn't have that power. It's never "just a 4 cylinder" I hate how all the auto reviewers who are "pros" can't get the actual operation of the vehicle correct. So you got 21mpg....having 375hp/470tq which is way more than the V8.......what mileage would you get in the v8? Not even close to that
I literally watched a interview with the 4xe chief engineer and he clearly stated once it kills the battery and you put it under constant load it will not meet peak numbers and primarily be 4 cylinder 🤷♂️. Dunno how much more direct you can get than that. Its not just a jeep problem most phevs are that way. Rav 4 prime is a good example.
@@jackholmes8105 all the real world testing showing how the 4xe system has maximum power even when the battery is "dead" but the battery never is dead it always retains a 15% charge even when the dash says zero
My 4xes have a great PowerBand and my Sahara runs 13s in the 1/4 mile way faster than any ram. Hell even my rubicon 4xe is way faster than a 5.7 ram
Nice little Coolio triibute fellas.
They "why" is always the same when we see an hybrid car : just to be authorized to drive in big city, at least in europe
The Limited without the McIntosh sounds very good. Shame the top option sucks.
What happened to the other guy? Is there a difft host on this channel?!
I only want this if it gets worse real world MPG than the six cylinder.
Makes the Rivian look like a much better deal
I have a 2014 Jeep GC Summit Eco Diesel, and I paid $18k under the MSRP (58k) when I bought it new. With the economy tanking and cars components shortages easing up, they will not be able to give these away in few months.
They should have put a V6 with the hybrid motors.
Seems like a lost opportunity. Wish Acura would bring the MDX hybrid back!
Wish FCA/Stellantis could have gone full electric much faster - it's right in their power stroke for high-torque systems. Near-term profits must have been too hard to ignore.