Excellent video on this very important topic. I have found that the Jesus Prayer is a potent weapon against the Logisme and my spiritual father recommended it to me and it truly works for me. The prayer is like dousing a dumpster fire with high pressure water from a huge fire truck. The internet throws up garbage all the time even if a person is very careful to avoid garbage. This gives Satan plenty of opportunities to attack us.
I think my uncle or grandpa told me this when I was a boy but a little different version. You can’t stop birds from flying overhead but you can stop them from nesting in your hair. I may have forgotten who told me that but I’ll never forget the maxim itself.
St. Paisios of Mount Athos said this too! *"Thoughts are like airplanes flying in the air. If you ignore them, there is no problem. If you pay attention to them, you create an airport inside your head and permit them to land!"*
May Our Lord Jesus Christ have mercy on us sinners. The Jesus Prayer is a huge help. The older I get the more I invoke it and it us a huge help. To me the Jesus Prayer is the best fire extinguisher there is to fight the Logisme.
90% of Lust comes from the eyes , 10% are thoughts/ideas , deep down its a need for intimacy and self-love , touching it only makes it worse , read long prayer (30 min.) , avoid social media during Lent (Instagram especially can serve as a "Gateway") , Always remember that arousal is temporary and shorter then you think (Cold Showers definitely help ) .
I agree with you, having a purpose is Very important because it provides meaning in life, and God already gave us the most important purpose to fulfill.@@tymon1928
Those “blasphemous thoughts without intent” is a symptom of religiously based Obsessive Compulsive Disorder. I suffer from the same affliction as the user you mentioned. I’ve been assured that it is not sin, because I don’t mean it. It is an “intrusive thought”. The demons want us to believe they are thoughts with hidden, subconscious intent. To anyone suffering from this, please seek an OCD specialist to treat this affliction and also speak to a priest for spiritual guidance. No one with OCD only has intrusive thoughts, rituals, and avoidance about blasphemy. We worry about other things too. Doctors and priests (doctors of the Church) can work in tandem and are both healers in different ways. Thank you for making this video to console him from a spiritual standpoint as I wish I had someone to do the same for me when this first happened to me.
I didn't know that this version of OCD existed, thank you for enlightening me. I have had these types of thoughts from Grade 4 to now, so it has been a while. I have consoled with my priest and know I understand from both his and Boyan's stand point about this. I do hope you are going much better now in this version of OCD, God protect you and those you love. And yes, he has consoled me well about this and other matters for a while now.
I actually have autism and it's a weird thing to be dealing with in tandem with the spiritual life. It really sucks to read the part of my evening prayers about being sorry for having my thoughts wander onto useless things during prayer when it happens constantly and without me wanting to, not because I think God is angry at me for being ADHD or something, but because I wish I could stop doing it. Some days are better than others, I do also get blasphemous thoughts very often in the way you described. Praying about it has helped quite a bit for me, thank God.
OCD is not the only explanation for blasphemous thoughts. In fact I think it's an unlikely explanation because blasphemous thoughts, especially during prayer, are an extensively documented phenomenon in the life of the Church. Nearly every saint who teaches on prayer and the inner life deals with this issue, and they are widely recognized to be a common thing, and I have never heard the holy fathers, ancient or contemporary, recommend visiting an OCD specialist.
Hello orthodox brother, I to have OCD. Hope you get better. To be honest, there are a lot of religious fanatics in our comunity who are going to tell you this is sin, its not, and you know how the brain works and the psychology behind it. The best way to get rid of religious ocd is stopping the compulsions like praying and compulsive confessions. God loves you and God knows your an OCD sufferer with some thoughts you cant help and are NOT responsible for because they are out of your control. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise, even if its the priest. Know there are a lot of people like you and your not alone. God bless you! Edit: with stopping praying I mean praying related to your OCD. Pray for real life stuff is a healthier approach to getting back to normal.
@@williamcordasco945Sometimes when I am angry, I make a little sketch of Satan on a paper and abuse it in every way. Stab it, rip it, step on it, throw it, spit on it and finally throw it in the rubbish. Repeating the Jesus Prayer is probably better, though.
As fmayed1507 said, I too pray the Jesus Prayer everytime I get distressed, scared, lonely. It comforts me. I imagine the demon being snap away by the power of the Lord. When I broke my leg in two places in 2019, I was very fearful the night before surgery, the Jesus Prayer helped me through my fear. Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me (us) a sinner.
Great video! There's a very interesting document I once read by an Orthodox bishop who compared the teaching of how the process of logismoi (stimuli) and sin (or passion) correlates to the actual psychiatric mechanism of response to stimuli in the limbic region and frontal cortex. Quite fascinating that the teaching of the fathers regarding thoughts actually can be "proven" through psychiatric analysis and that passions actually affect our physical brain. I'm obiously not making a reductio with this observation saying it's only psychology or something. Just found it interesting.
Wow this is so helpful. Thank you. I, and many other new mothers, experience very intrusive thoughts during the immediate post-partum phase; it's normal, but the thoughts are horrible. I wonder if the demonic forces are optimizing on the vulnerable state... I have no idea, but good to know that these thoughts are necessarily ours!
Thank you!! I am sorry for not seeing this sooner!! Thanks for answering, and my name is a reference to both Sailor Moon and to the Greek Myth of Endymion and Selena. Thank you for doing this, I love your videos
Thank you for your videos , Bojan . Sometimes after I watch your videos I feel like praying , but sometimes I'm still laughing too much to pray , just yet . God bless !
in my opinion, meditation (really just awareness of the present moment, you dont have to take anything from another religion) is one of the best ways to deal with such thoughts. i have had meditation sessions (i use an app called medito, very good app) for almost a year now, and it has helped me deal with unwanted thoughts, including the logismoi. i started using the breath as the anchor for the present moment and getting rid of unwanted thoughts. do not also forget the Jesus Prayer, it is also good
I dont think all thoughts are the works of demons. Clearly in each individual there is dark wants/desires,therefore we must confront our shadow selves and either through god and/or hard work control it
a good explanation of the soundnesses that tempt to distrurb theus theall theyou offer and give in the video thethis sir becausenow the spirit the wholey is the source of all of the beingnesses in the existence onlynot do thewe not worry alsobut trustthewe to thehim
One thing that helps me greatly is when such thoughts arise, I just say OUT. I do not let it grow, it is not your own thought it is a demon testing you as the video said. Just cut it off at the root, tell him he isn't welcome and pray the jesus prayer. When it happens again, do not let it enter, cast out the devil in the name of the lord.
@@BanterWithBojan As we Serbs have a reputation of being good hosts to protect, I've thought up a joke for our anglophone friends: "Many Christians experience an intrusion of random, very sinful thoughts and think: "Woe is me!", when they should be thinking: "Lo-gis-moi"." (You have to pronounce it in modern Greek, so LOH-YIZ-MEE, for it to work, but hey, can't say I didn't try!)
Thank you for the info. Small correction,it is not called LogismOi, rather logismee. That's how the word sounds correctly anyways. Have a good day friends
It is interesting, when looked at through a Neoplatonic lens, that "thought/mind" are understood more spiritually rather than purely intellectually (brain). From this angle, I think it isn't far off to suggest that Angels and demons are closely associated with the realm of the Platonic Forms and ultimately with _thoughts_ in the Mind of God. Not to say spiritual beings are non-personal, I think it is more accurate that mental reality is spiritual and ultimately personal (the soul). Everything got screwed up with Descartes.
I did struggle with such as well at some point and made me wonder if i went cuckoo or something. Thanks to the priest that helped me during that time with guidance and God who didn't let go of my slippery self i managed to find peace again. Though at times i wonder if i did something wrong in the spiritual battle and if the enemy ran away with the challenge or if the battle still keeps going but is silent.
There is an Agatha Christie novel about the same topic. Someone really hates someone else and wants that person dead. The object of that horrible wish ends up getting murdered by someone else. The person who dreamed about that death feels extremely guilty. Hercule Poirot (who is Catholic! Just like Agatha Christie's second hisband btw) gives the person who is struggling against huge waves of guilt the information of this video. Thoughts - even extremely bad thoughts - are not a crime. We all have bad thoughts. It was fun to see the philosophy of Agatha Christie in a UA-cam video. I have come to an understanding that her books are full of religious things. That's why I read them more than once. The first time you just want to know who did it.
Logismoi is not thoughts is tendency for logical explanation Which could be a toxic idea that seems to be logic. One word can explain everything you want to say in a 6-minute video
No , I noticed a lot of older women, unmarried and widowers or with husbands living far away, old grandma type really talkative and “gossiping” in the meaning of the word … the kissing of icons, the physicality of orthodox functions does not appeal to autistics I think… maybe the Catholic Latin Mass that is more sober and silent it’s more in tune with autistics …
@@FoundSheep-AN ok thank you. Sometimes I feel autistic but sometimes very creative a d social. I have huge anxiety and it’s difficult to stand in service around people for 3 hour Divine Liturgy. I get very anxious and cannot stand still (38 year old man with anxiety). I like mass at Roman church because it’s faster tbh. I can worship still but I have less anxiety, I can get to the service with less people, I can leave soon afterward. I’m not super super social and I also have bad anxiety when low on food. I cannot fast as often as other Christian because I need calories or I go into a panic attack
Those thoughts you just have to ignore them. If it does not work, just try to say a simple prayer like Lord Iesus Christos have mercy on me the sinner. Or simply just God help me. A prayer does not have to be long to work . What is important is that your words come from your heart not just your mouth
Seems pretty irresponsible to attach a spiritual concept to a real world disorder like OCD. You're entitled to believe what you want but spreading misinformation about something like OCD can be pretty damaging to those who need genuine help
You are implying that 'spiritual concept' is by definition false and in opposition to a 'real world' problem. All problems have a spiritual dimension as well, and OCD has been dealt with different spirtiual writers for two millenia. I never implies people don't need 'genuine help'.
@@BanterWithBojan How do you know that I don't have any spiritual beliefs that aren't associated with the topic at hand? If you wanna base it off that one comment then you're assuming my position which you don't know.
Excellent video on this very important topic. I have found that the Jesus Prayer is a potent weapon against the Logisme and my spiritual father recommended it to me and it truly works for me. The prayer is like dousing a dumpster fire with high pressure water from a huge fire truck. The internet throws up garbage all the time even if a person is very careful to avoid garbage. This gives Satan plenty of opportunities to attack us.
St. John Climacus states that when we say the Jesus Prayer it lashes the demons away.
From an Indian bishop I heard this word: "Many birds fly across the sky, going everywhere. If you do not build them a nest they will not stay."
I think my uncle or grandpa told me this when I was a boy but a little different version. You can’t stop birds from flying overhead but you can stop them from nesting in your hair. I may have forgotten who told me that but I’ll never forget the maxim itself.
St. Paisios of Mount Athos said this too!
*"Thoughts are like airplanes flying in the air. If you ignore them, there is no problem. If you pay attention to them, you create an airport inside your head and permit them to land!"*
Mine is lustful thoughts and it's a long and hard road this Lent to help me overcome it. Can someone pray for me please?
May Our Lord Jesus Christ have mercy on us sinners. The Jesus Prayer is a huge help. The older I get the more I invoke it and it us a huge help. To me the Jesus Prayer is the best fire extinguisher there is to fight the Logisme.
90% of Lust comes from the eyes , 10% are thoughts/ideas , deep down its a need for intimacy and self-love ,
touching it only makes it worse , read long prayer (30 min.) , avoid social media during Lent (Instagram especially can serve as a "Gateway") ,
Always remember that arousal is temporary and shorter then you think (Cold Showers definitely help ) .
I'd realized that a lot of temptations has a source in laziness too, especially lying in bed with no purpose other than to "relax"
I agree with you, having a purpose is Very important because it provides meaning in life, and God already gave us the most important purpose to fulfill.@@tymon1928
"Lord heal my heart, Lord heal my mind, Lord heal me whole"
Great video! St. Paisios said something to the effect of "bad thoughts are like airplanes. Don't give them runways to land on"
This is the quote I remember but couldn't recall properly and was looking for, thank you friend
@@Rodelero Aww glad this helped you! You might double check to make sure I'm right. Glory to God!
Those “blasphemous thoughts without intent” is a symptom of religiously based Obsessive Compulsive Disorder. I suffer from the same affliction as the user you mentioned. I’ve been assured that it is not sin, because I don’t mean it. It is an “intrusive thought”.
The demons want us to believe they are thoughts with hidden, subconscious intent. To anyone suffering from this, please seek an OCD specialist to treat this affliction and also speak to a priest for spiritual guidance. No one with OCD only has intrusive thoughts, rituals, and avoidance about blasphemy. We worry about other things too. Doctors and priests (doctors of the Church) can work in tandem and are both healers in different ways.
Thank you for making this video to console him from a spiritual standpoint as I wish I had someone to do the same for me when this first happened to me.
I didn't know that this version of OCD existed, thank you for enlightening me. I have had these types of thoughts from Grade 4 to now, so it has been a while. I have consoled with my priest and know I understand from both his and Boyan's stand point about this.
I do hope you are going much better now in this version of OCD, God protect you and those you love. And yes, he has consoled me well about this and other matters for a while now.
I actually have autism and it's a weird thing to be dealing with in tandem with the spiritual life. It really sucks to read the part of my evening prayers about being sorry for having my thoughts wander onto useless things during prayer when it happens constantly and without me wanting to, not because I think God is angry at me for being ADHD or something, but because I wish I could stop doing it. Some days are better than others, I do also get blasphemous thoughts very often in the way you described. Praying about it has helped quite a bit for me, thank God.
OCD is not the only explanation for blasphemous thoughts. In fact I think it's an unlikely explanation because blasphemous thoughts, especially during prayer, are an extensively documented phenomenon in the life of the Church. Nearly every saint who teaches on prayer and the inner life deals with this issue, and they are widely recognized to be a common thing, and I have never heard the holy fathers, ancient or contemporary, recommend visiting an OCD specialist.
Hello orthodox brother, I to have OCD. Hope you get better. To be honest, there are a lot of religious fanatics in our comunity who are going to tell you this is sin, its not, and you know how the brain works and the psychology behind it. The best way to get rid of religious ocd is stopping the compulsions like praying and compulsive confessions. God loves you and God knows your an OCD sufferer with some thoughts you cant help and are NOT responsible for because they are out of your control. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise, even if its the priest. Know there are a lot of people like you and your not alone. God bless you!
Edit: with stopping praying I mean praying related to your OCD. Pray for real life stuff is a healthier approach to getting back to normal.
It's called scrupulosity.
i find a quick ‘get thee behind me, satan’ can often quickly dispatch these when they pop into your head.
also spitting on the devil thrice.
@@williamcordasco945Sometimes when I am angry, I make a little sketch of Satan on a paper and abuse it in every way. Stab it, rip it, step on it, throw it, spit on it and finally throw it in the rubbish. Repeating the Jesus Prayer is probably better, though.
As fmayed1507 said, I too pray the Jesus Prayer everytime I get distressed, scared, lonely.
It comforts me.
I imagine the demon being snap away by the power of the Lord.
When I broke my leg in two places in 2019, I was very fearful the night before surgery, the Jesus Prayer helped me through my fear.
Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me (us) a sinner.
This video came to me at a very appropriate time. Thank you
really needed to hear this, i’ve been battling with this for a while now, thank you for the video!
Incredible video, thank you so much for this. The phases are so useful, this is a gem - been looking for this for awhile.
Great video! There's a very interesting document I once read by an Orthodox bishop who compared the teaching of how the process of logismoi (stimuli) and sin (or passion) correlates to the actual psychiatric mechanism of response to stimuli in the limbic region and frontal cortex. Quite fascinating that the teaching of the fathers regarding thoughts actually can be "proven" through psychiatric analysis and that passions actually affect our physical brain. I'm obiously not making a reductio with this observation saying it's only psychology or something. Just found it interesting.
Wow this is so helpful. Thank you. I, and many other new mothers, experience very intrusive thoughts during the immediate post-partum phase; it's normal, but the thoughts are horrible. I wonder if the demonic forces are optimizing on the vulnerable state... I have no idea, but good to know that these thoughts are necessarily ours!
Thank you!! I am sorry for not seeing this sooner!! Thanks for answering, and my name is a reference to both Sailor Moon and to the Greek Myth of Endymion and Selena. Thank you for doing this, I love your videos
I am so glad that there are Orthodox men of culture here that appreciate Sailor Moon.
I really needed this video. Thank you so much and may God bless you.
thanks
Thank you for your videos , Bojan . Sometimes after I watch your videos I feel like praying , but sometimes I'm still laughing too much to pray , just yet . God bless !
Thank you Bojan. This video is one of the most helpful and useful videos you have ever made.
Thank you.
in my opinion, meditation (really just awareness of the present moment, you dont have to take anything from another religion) is one of the best ways to deal with such thoughts. i have had meditation sessions (i use an app called medito, very good app) for almost a year now, and it has helped me deal with unwanted thoughts, including the logismoi. i started using the breath as the anchor for the present moment and getting rid of unwanted thoughts. do not also forget the Jesus Prayer, it is also good
I dont think all thoughts are the works of demons. Clearly in each individual there is dark wants/desires,therefore we must confront our shadow selves and either through god and/or hard work control it
Thank you for this video!
This is a really good framework for thinking about intrusive thoughts and OCD.
The thing is that i use to not have this thaoghts befor sinning if you stop the sin and try to go on with life you will controll more your mind
Thank you. This reminds me of an Edgar Allen Poe story called, "The Imp of the Perverse."
a good explanation of the soundnesses that tempt to distrurb theus theall theyou offer and give in the video thethis sir
becausenow the spirit the wholey is the source of all of the beingnesses in the existence onlynot do thewe not worry alsobut trustthewe to thehim
thank you
thank you ~
Endymion? I had to pause the video.....Hyperion reference, book series, best SF space opera ever.
One thing that helps me greatly is when such thoughts arise, I just say OUT. I do not let it grow, it is not your own thought it is a demon testing you as the video said. Just cut it off at the root, tell him he isn't welcome and pray the jesus prayer. When it happens again, do not let it enter, cast out the devil in the name of the lord.
"Demon koji radi u ćevabdžinici ne postoji i ne može da te navede na greh"
Demon koji radi u ćevabdžinici: "Šta ćete od priloga?"
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Vredi znati srpski makar samo zbog ove fore
@@BanterWithBojan As we Serbs have a reputation of being good hosts to protect, I've thought up a joke for our anglophone friends:
"Many Christians experience an intrusion of random, very sinful thoughts and think: "Woe is me!", when they should be thinking: "Lo-gis-moi"."
(You have to pronounce it in modern Greek, so LOH-YIZ-MEE, for it to work, but hey, can't say I didn't try!)
Thank you for the info. Small correction,it is not called LogismOi, rather logismee. That's how the word sounds correctly anyways. Have a good day friends
It is interesting, when looked at through a Neoplatonic lens, that "thought/mind" are understood more spiritually rather than purely intellectually (brain). From this angle, I think it isn't far off to suggest that Angels and demons are closely associated with the realm of the Platonic Forms and ultimately with _thoughts_ in the Mind of God. Not to say spiritual beings are non-personal, I think it is more accurate that mental reality is spiritual and ultimately personal (the soul).
Everything got screwed up with Descartes.
I did struggle with such as well at some point and made me wonder if i went cuckoo or something. Thanks to the priest that helped me during that time with guidance and God who didn't let go of my slippery self i managed to find peace again. Though at times i wonder if i did something wrong in the spiritual battle and if the enemy ran away with the challenge or if the battle still keeps going but is silent.
There is an Agatha Christie novel about the same topic. Someone really hates someone else and wants that person dead. The object of that horrible wish ends up getting murdered by someone else. The person who dreamed about that death feels extremely guilty. Hercule Poirot (who is Catholic! Just like Agatha Christie's second hisband btw) gives the person who is struggling against huge waves of guilt the information of this video. Thoughts - even extremely bad thoughts - are not a crime. We all have bad thoughts.
It was fun to see the philosophy of Agatha Christie in a UA-cam video. I have come to an understanding that her books are full of religious things. That's why I read them more than once. The first time you just want to know who did it.
Lesson learned! 😂
“Steve from Blues Clues teaches Demonology” 😋 jk love your content bro!
For some reason I thought he would look way older?
What happens if I invite the demons in to party?
Here you go!
ua-cam.com/video/xuvpRE8QsSw/v-deo.html
Can you do a video about fake speaking in tongues
Here you go: ua-cam.com/video/TSQDAbCtPi0/v-deo.html
Logismoi is not thoughts is tendency for logical explanation Which could be a toxic idea that seems to be logic. One word can explain everything you want to say in a 6-minute video
It seems to me that a lot of folks with autism or aspergers go into Orthodoxy. Have you noticed this.
No , I noticed a lot of older women, unmarried and widowers or with husbands living far away, old grandma type really talkative and “gossiping” in the meaning of the word … the kissing of icons, the physicality of orthodox functions does not appeal to autistics I think… maybe the Catholic Latin Mass that is more sober and silent it’s more in tune with autistics …
@@FoundSheep-AN ok thank you. Sometimes I feel autistic but sometimes very creative a d social. I have huge anxiety and it’s difficult to stand in service around people for 3 hour Divine Liturgy. I get very anxious and cannot stand still (38 year old man with anxiety).
I like mass at Roman church because it’s faster tbh. I can worship still but I have less anxiety, I can get to the service with less people, I can leave soon afterward. I’m not super super social and I also have bad anxiety when low on food. I cannot fast as often as other Christian because I need calories or I go into a panic attack
Those thoughts you just have to ignore them. If it does not work, just try to say a simple prayer like Lord Iesus Christos have mercy on me the sinner. Or simply just God help me. A prayer does not have to be long to work . What is important is that your words come from your heart not just your mouth
Seems pretty irresponsible to attach a spiritual concept to a real world disorder like OCD. You're entitled to believe what you want but spreading misinformation about something like OCD can be pretty damaging to those who need genuine help
You are implying that 'spiritual concept' is by definition false and in opposition to a 'real world' problem. All problems have a spiritual dimension as well, and OCD has been dealt with different spirtiual writers for two millenia. I never implies people don't need 'genuine help'.
@@BanterWithBojan How do you know that I don't have any spiritual beliefs that aren't associated with the topic at hand? If you wanna base it off that one comment then you're assuming my position which you don't know.
@@ToaDriken i don't know what you're talking about. Didn't mention spiritual benefits, or you lacking them.
@@BanterWithBojan "You are implying that spiritual concept by definition is false" I'm asking how do you know what my views on this are
@@ToaDriken because you're contrasting it to a "real life" disorder like OCD