Moonsighting vs. Calculation - Hamza Yusuf

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  • Опубліковано 12 вер 2024
  • A discussion on Ramadhan moonsighting today.

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  • @yojan9238
    @yojan9238 8 років тому +8

    A great explaination by Shaikh Hamzah. In my country we use ruqyah (sighting) and hisab (calculations). Proper fiqh of Shafi'i mazhab. Not just following Saudi Arabia.

  • @Reewnat
    @Reewnat 8 років тому +2

    Great talk, but the only issue I have with last year's sightings was there were reputable people like Shaykh Mokhtar Maghroui who took counsel from his friend at NASA whom he has been consulting with for years on moonsightings and I think Shaykh Rami saw the moon or had people they trusted determine it. So I trust these two for sure if they saw it or had people of science confirm it.

  • @jayrich2744
    @jayrich2744 8 років тому +2

    Most of your videos are unresolved because they are incomplete, I wish that I would upload complete videos

  • @DawudIsrael
    @DawudIsrael  8 років тому +2

    Salam. If you are passionate about moonsighting, please read my advice: muslimology.wordpress.com/2016/06/04/moonsighting-the-akhira/

  • @synadsy
    @synadsy 2 місяці тому

    assalamualaikum, sorry for my comment from 8 years later since this video was uploaded 😅 but can i please get the link for the full video? thank you 😊

  • @frouwinatouwen6899
    @frouwinatouwen6899 6 років тому

    danke schon)) eu time 15:44 jeudi 15/03/2015

  • @zaheerhuss
    @zaheerhuss 6 років тому +3

    If he used fingers, that means he calculated. Fingers are used for measurement and that is a calculation.

    • @mohammedhanif6780
      @mohammedhanif6780 5 років тому

      No. Using fingers means to indicate the number using the fingers. Just like putting up 4 fingers to indicate the number 4. The Arabs had a method of indicating very large numbers (1000s) using the fingers. The use of the fingers was to emphasise the number. There was no calculation.

  • @shabib2968
    @shabib2968 7 років тому +1

    Does anyone know which book he's talking about?

    • @RIMJANESSOHMALOOG
      @RIMJANESSOHMALOOG 7 років тому

      S Habib most likely his own book he wrote, Google it to download I have a copy

    • @osman01003
      @osman01003 Рік тому

      Different book.

  • @Carlito_El_Gooner
    @Carlito_El_Gooner 6 років тому

    How is it that there's no debate when it's established magrib time or sunset time on a rainy day? How can you depend on calculation for salat and not for determining the beginning of the months. And, salat has precedence over fasting. I'm sorry but I have to disagree with this brother. This is the kind of thinking that are holding Muslims back in the modern world.

    • @MsSimpleMovies
      @MsSimpleMovies 6 років тому +1

      Carlito El Gooner Brother, you and I can study as well, and then present a differing opinion. Ma shaa'Allah your mind seems very strong. I urge you to study with traditional scholars and come with different ideas. The key is to base your ideas in sound knowledge, not just qiyaas (analogy).

    • @Carlito_El_Gooner
      @Carlito_El_Gooner 6 років тому +1

      There are a lot of scholars who promote calculation. Not only the scholars but the Quran itself says that the sun and moon are for calculating, Surah Rahman. Islam is the religion of science and logic. Lets stop this nonsense of beginning Ramadan and Eid on 2 and 3 different days sometimes even in the same country.

    • @justsaying444
      @justsaying444 6 років тому +3

      Carlito El Gooner . He is talking about this sunnah. What is it have to do with modernism. Moonsighting is still relatable in a society, even modern society.

    • @Carlito_El_Gooner
      @Carlito_El_Gooner 5 років тому

      @@justsaying444 Brother, it's sunnah to ride horses and camels. Are you telling me that we should abandon modern means of transportation and follow this particular sunnah?

    • @bilalbadar1438
      @bilalbadar1438 5 років тому +1

      @@Carlito_El_Gooner Cars and buses are mandatory in today's world. Calculating the moon is not.

  • @zaheerhuss
    @zaheerhuss 6 років тому +2

    Prophet, pbuh, himself never went out to see the moon. He never appointed anyone to see the moon like he did Bilal RA for azaan. He never had moonsighting committee. In his time anything beyond 47 miles was considered eligible for the definition of travel. By the time anyone who sighted the moon 47 miles away could report it, it would be Fajar time.
    "Roya" has more than 20 meanings including calculations. Do you go out to see the sun's position every time before deciding the salaah time? When you are not following him for what you do 5 times a day, why are you stuck on moon which you see once a month?
    Just imagine Muslims running the airline business using Hamza Yusuf's naked eye moon sighting calendar. There will be no flights on the 30th of the month because there will be no guarantee of the 30th day of the month. No one one will know if the 1st is tomorrow or day after tomorrow. The date will change if the sky becomes cloudy on the new moon day. There will be one date in Hamza Yusuf's California and one in Chicago.
    You may ask: How come a "perfect religion" has no perfect calendar to run airlines? Islam has perfect calendar for every age. The technology has advanced and needs a more reliable calendar. The world has become a global village. Adopt the technology. Calculate the formation of new moon.

    • @stradegy3338
      @stradegy3338 Рік тому

      Oh what a legend! Who thought of being that brainless? Maybe you haven't read the hadith Where Prophet SAW says: " إنَّا أمَّة أمِّيَّة لا نكتب ولا نحسب الشهر هكذا وهكذا يعني مرة تسعة وعشرين ومرة ثلاثين ". رواه البخاري ( 1814 ) ومسلم ( 1080 )
      "We don't write nor calculate, months are such and such i.e sometimes 29, sometimes 30 days."
      And the hadith: "Fast when you see the moon, and break it when you see the moon"
      Use your brain before you argue. The sun is with us 24/7. The moon isn't. That's the whole reason we have the 29/30 days thing. Shariah is not about your comfort. It's a test to see your obedience. If you cant book a flight because of Shari'ah, then don't, that will get you rewards and save you from punishment.
      Oh, and this is not Hamzah's system. This is the impeccable majority of scholars till the last century. This is a perfect religion, and we are to be tested on it. It's perfection is not based on how much we understand it. Just like how the numbers of angels on Saqar is 19, and Allah SWT mentions in Surah Muddathir "We made it a test so the Believers increase in belief". There are things your brain cannot understand, all you do is follow what the Prophet SAW commanded, and what the salaf understood from it. No need to try be a smart alec.
      Go study before speaking. If you were to be operated on by an under-graduate doctor due to a life threatening tumor, you would never do so in a million years. Why is it that in Deen, you can somehow give your verdict and use you rational to contradict or and explain it? how i know you didn't study?
      1. There is no reference to the Ulama or Salaf.
      2. Using outliers as evidence. Ru'yah has 20 meanings? Why did you skip the most common meaning and jump to the 20th? The Hadith i quoted above clearly states that Prophet SAW would NOT calculate, why on earth would he say "Ru'yah" with the meaning of calculate? Also, why use Ru'yah when the actual word for calculate i.e Taqdeer is there?
      3. Using travel as an example. Allah SWT already has made travelling so easy for you. You don't need to fast when on travel. You dont need to pray Eid Salah or Jumu'ah. Now you want more, like Walid asked for in Surah Muddathir.
      May Allah guide us.

  • @zaheerhuss
    @zaheerhuss 6 років тому

    If naked eye moon sighting was mandatory, Prophet, pbuh, would go out to see the moon himself rather than using fingers to explain it. There is no hadith to show that he went out looking for the new moon.

    • @bilalbadar1438
      @bilalbadar1438 5 років тому

      The hadith talks about two just people looking for it. Is that not enough?

    • @exsalafi393
      @exsalafi393 Рік тому

      Hadiths related to the Moon sighting & Ramadan
      NARRATOR AbuHurayrah
      SAHIH MUSLIM
      HADITH_No 2378
      Allah’s Messenger (peace_be_upon_him) said: Whenever you sight the new moon (of the month of Ramadan) observe fast, and when you sight it (the new moon of Shawwal) break it, and if the sky is cloudy for you, then observe fast for thirty days.
      NARRATOR AbuHurayrah
      SAHIH MUSLIMÂ
      HADITH_No 2379Â
      Allah’s Messenger (peace_be_upon_him) said: Observe fast on sighting it (the new moon) and break (fast) on sighting it (the new moon), but if the sky is cloudy for you, then complete the number (of thirty).
      NARRATOR AbuHurayrah
      SAHIH MUSLIM
      HADITH_No 2380
      Allah’s Messenger (peace_be_upon_him) said: Observe fast on sighting it (the new moon) and break it on sighting it. But if (due to clouds) the actual position of the month is concealed from you, you should then count thirty (days).
      NARRATOR AbuHurayrah
      SAHIH MUSLIM
      HADITH_No 2381
      The Messenger of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) made a mention of the new moon and (in this connection) said: Observe fast when you see it (the new moon) and break fast when you see it (the new moon of Shawwal), but when (the actual position of the month is) concealed from you (on account of cloudy sky), then count thirty days.
      NARRATOR Abdullah ibn Abbas
      SAHIH MUSLIM
      HADITH_No 2391
      Kurayb said: Umm Fadl, daughter of Harith, sent him (Fadl, i.e. her son) to Mu’awiyah in Syria. I (Fadl) arrived in Syria, and did the needful for her. It was there in Syria that the month of Ramadan commenced. I saw the new moon (of Ramadan) on Friday. I then came back to Medina at the end of the month. Abdullah ibn Abbas asked me (about the new moon of Ramadan) and said: When did you see it? I said: We saw it on Friday night. He said: (Did) you see it yourself? I said: Yes, and the people also saw it so they observed fast and Mu’awiyah also observed fast. Thereupon he said: But we saw it on Saturday night. So we shall continue to observe the fast until we complete thirty (fasts) or we see it (the new moon of Shawwal). I said: Is the sighting of the moon by Mu’awiyah not valid for you? He said: No; this is how the Messenger of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) has commanded us. Yahya ibn Yahya was in doubt (whether the word used in the narration by Kurayb) was Naktafi or Taktafi.
      NARRATOR Abdullah ibn Abbas
      SAHIH MUSLIM
      HADITH_No 2392
      AbulBakhtari reported: We went out to perform Umrah and when we encamped in the valley of Nakhlah, we tried to see the new moon. Some of the people said: It was three nights old, and others (said) that it was two nights old. We then met Ibn Abbas and told him we had seen the new moon, but that some of the people said it was three nights old and others that it was two nights old. He asked on which night we had seen it; and when we told him we had seen it on such and such night, he said the Prophet of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) had said Verily Allah deferred it till the time it is seen, so it is to be reckoned from the night you saw it.
      NARRATOR Abdullah ibn Abbas
      SAHIH MUSLIM
      HADITH_No 2526
      Hakim ibn al-Araj reported: I went to Ibn Abbas and he was reclining using his mantle as a pillow near the fountain of Zamzam. I said to him: Tell me about fasting on Ashura. He said: When you see the new moon of Muharram then count the (days) and observe fast on the 9th. I said to him: Is it how the Messenger of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) observed the fast? He said: Yes.
      NARRATOR AbuHurayrah
      SAHIH MUSLIM
      HADITH_No 2635
      We were talking about laylat al-Qadr in the presence of the Messenger of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) and he said: He who amongst you remembers (the night) when the moon arose and it was like a piece of plate (at the fag end of the month in a state of waning).
      NARRATOR Anas ibn Malik
      SAHIH MUSLIM
      HADITH_No 6868
      We were with Umar between Mecca and Medina so that we might begin to look for the new moon. I was a man with sharp eyesight, so I could see it, but none saw it except myself. I began to say to Umar: Don’t you see it? But he could not see it. Thereupon Umar said: I shall soon be able to see it (when it shines more brightly). I lay in bed. He then mentioned to us of the people of Badr and said: Allah’s Apostle (peace_be_upon_him) showed us one day before (the actual battle) the place of death of the people (participating) in (the Battle) of Badr and he was saying: This will be the place of death of so and so tomorrow, if Allah wills. Umar said: By Him Who sent him with truth, they did not miss the places (of their death) which Allah’s Apostle (peace_be_upon_him) had indicated for them. Then they were all thrown in a well, one after another. Allah’s Apostle (peace_be_upon_him) then went to them and said: O, so and so, the son of so and so; O so and so, the son of so and so, have you found what Allah and His Apostle (peace_be_upon_him) had promised you? I have, however, found absolutely true what Allah had promised me. Umar said: Allah’s Apostle (peace_be_upon_him) said: How can you talk as bodies without souls in them. Thereupon he said: You cannot hear more distinctly than (they can) what I say, but with the exception that they have no power to make any reply.
      NARRATOR Abdullah ibn Umar
      AL-MUWATTA
      HADITH_No 18.1.1
      The Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, once mentioned Ramadan and said, “Do not begin the fast until you see the new moon, and do not break the fast (at the end of Ramadan) until you see it. If the new moon is obscured from you, then work out (when it should be).”
      NARRATOR Abdullah ibn Umar
      AL-MUWATTA
      HADITH_No 18.1.2
      The Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, “A month has twenty-nine days in it. Do not start the fast or break it until you see the new moon. If the new moon is obscured from you, then work out (when it should be).”
      NARRATOR Abdullah ibn Abbas
      AL-MUWATTA
      HADITH_No 18.1.3
      The Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, once mentioned Ramadan and said, “Do not start the fast or break it until you see the new moon. If the new moon is obscured from you, then complete a full thirty days.”
      NARRATOR AbuUmayr ibn Anas
      ABU DAWUD
      HADITH_No 1153
      AbuUmayr reported on the authority of some of his paternal uncles who were Companions of the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him): Some men came riding to the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and testified that they had sighted the new moon the previous day. He (the Holy Prophet), therefore, commanded the people to break the fast and to go out to their place of prayer in the morning.
      NARRATOR Abdullah ibn Umar
      ABU DAWUD
      HADITH_No 2312
      The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: The month consists of twenty-nine days, but do not fast till you sight it (the moon) and do not break your fast till you sight it. If the weather is cloudy, calculate it thirty days. When the twenty-ninth of Sha’ban came, Ibn Umar would send someone (who tried) to sight the moon for him. If it was sighted, then well and good; in case it was not sighted, and there was no cloud and dust before him (on the horizon), he would not keep fast the next day. If there appeared (on the horizon) before him cloud or dust, he would fast the following day. Ibn Umar would end his fasting alone with the people, and did not follow this calculation.
      NARRATOR Aisha, Ummul Mu’minin
      ABU DAWUD
      HADITH_No 2318
      The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) used to count the days in Sha’ban in a manner he did not count any other month; then he fasted when he sighted the new moon of Ramadan; but if the weather was cloudy he counted thirty days and then fasted.
      More available if needed

  • @jayrich2744
    @jayrich2744 8 років тому

    Most of your videos are unresolved because they are incomplete, I wish that I would upload complete videos