The Last Winged Warrior! how a 1969 Dodge Daytona with a 305" Small block Mopar ALMOST made history
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- Опубліковано 4 лип 2022
- Today on Unity Motorsports Garage, we take back at the Last Winged Warrior! The 1969 Dodge Daytona owned by Mario Rossi and driven by Richard Brooks almost made history at the 1971 Daytona 500 by running a 305ci Destroked 340 Mopar engine to accommodate the Aero rules set by Nascar...
The little Mini-Motor held its own of the Big Blocks that dominated the Superspeedways of Nascar... I hope you enjoy the Video!
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I’m not much of a NASCAR or oval track fan, but I do like the days when the cars were individual and built from actual stock cars.
Amen to that... Thanks for watching
Andy
I'd be a NASCAR fan if they were still competing with stock cars.
EXACTLY! That made such an impact on the cars available in one of if not THE best era of American automobiles! Engines, transmissions, suspension, all upgraded to compete but because they were so close to what "regular people" could BUY and DRIVE, the NASCAR cars based so closely to the factory cars, that made for what I'd argue is and always will be the greatest cars America ever, EVER produced that were ALSO within financial reach of most new car customers.
That was a awesome hot rod!!!
Yeah. That'll never happen again. :/
At several points during the race, Brooks was able to keep pace with a 3 car draft, with no car in front or behind. That means he would have been able to make a solo run on the last lap and outpace the field. They took him out as soon as they knew what this car could do.
I believe you are right Tim! He was a threat
Thanks for watching
Andy
Yep they always feared the wingers, thats why they were always gunnin for em’ ford & gm’s secret motto… if you can’t beat em, cheat!!!
I noticed that, he was just as fast out on his own as the front was bunched up in the draft. It was just a matter of time, all he needed to do was wait, pace then pounce on the final lap or two.
Definetly, they wrecked him..
I personally believe Brooks was playing possum. Running upfront to stay in striking distance, and binding his time, he could outlast them on fuel given the aerodynamics of the car and the fact that hemis and 429 ford's are thirsty. However, I disagree on one point with unity's commentary. Granted most of what was bunched at the front were mopars, and corporate motives may have played a part, but imagine the kind of recognition Chrysler would have gotten if they put together a giant killer out of a small block and won. Although France vwould have just tightened the reigns even more the following season.
Back when they actually raced a "stock" car, these teams were so innovative and the drivers so skilled, NASCAR is a far cry from the heritage it had. They have come a long way with safety I must say but it was much more exciting back then
I agree 💯
Andy
@@UnityMotorSportsGarage lol, there was very little STOCK about these cars.......
They were based on an actual production body, unlike the fabricated crap they run today. The engines were also based on production engines. No longer the case at all.
@@DuckyHunter812 the teams also built their own motors, not the case nowadays. Being a lifelong Mopar guy I've stopped watching NASCAR, I'll come back when Dodge comes back, otherwise they can shove their Toyotas up their ass 👍🏼
That is why NASCAR got so much more popular than open wheel racing. Fans were not just admirers of a driver. They identified with a car that looked like the car the fan drove.
I love this vintage race stuff. These old nascar stories, moonshine stories and even the old cheater dirt track stories intrigue me. Thanks for putting this together
Chuck thanks for watching! I'm glad you enjoyed it
Andy
yes the old days hauling shine and hauling ass..Im with ya I love the old days .I hate that they are gone and soon I will be too ..it's not long enough.dammit ..lol.
Keith Black a true legend to me. Mopar # 1
He was the best! Thanks for watching Power Wagon
Andy
I miss the days that NASCAR was still achievable by the independent driver & owners. It was the Era of "What you could do" over "What you could buy" back then. Great video Andy!
I agree, Thanks brother! I'm glad you enjoyed it
Andy
Amazing story and I never knew of it before watching this! Before Corporate World took over nascar, even small timers had a chance. Corporate has a way of ruining everything they touch to gain control of it.
That was awesome. Had Mopar put some money behind the small block in 71 they might have been real ground breakers. The next year they went to the 440 with the discontinuation of the Hemi. And the difference between a 440 and a Hemi are very major. Still, due to the good aerodynamics of the 71-74 Charger they won a lot of races. Richard Petty has been quoted as saying he liked that body style the best, even more so than the iconic Superbird he is so famous for today.
Virtually identical HP and torque from both engines so what differences are you siting as “major”. Not being a smartass asking genuinely.
I'm definitely an amateur, but do know that the factory published numbers were sometimes very misleading. For example, Mopar officially listed the 340 at 275 HP@ 5200 rpm. That may have been technically accurate, but that engine would easily wind another 1,000 rpm, making lots more power. I suspect that there were real HP differences between the 426 and 440.
For me this was the Golden age of stock car racing. I really enjoy the video.
I'm glad you enjoyed Steven!
Andy
Well done Andy ! No doubt in my mind Hamilton took him out intentionally. It's interesting that the aero cars were banned regardless of engine size after his race.
I agree... It looked intentional but it's all in the history books now... That 305 Mopar definitely held its own!
Thanks for watching
Andy
@@UnityMotorSportsGarage For sure, they definitely scared the big guys. Always root for the underdog !
@@paulcabezola3559 underdog for the win! Always...
Andy
@@UnityMotorSportsGarage AMEN !
I remember this race, and I always thought that hit was intentional, nobody ever going to convince me otherwise either. With the obvious talent Brooks had I don't understand why he never got a shot at a top ride
I love a good underdog story. An independent owner runs a road course engine on a super speedway and was still VERY competitive... damn near won. A lot of people scoff at the small blocks, but you have to remember, even though they're not as big inside, they're also not as big outside. The weight difference is a big advantage and in this case, not having to run a restrictor plate meant he was probably making almost as much power as the restricted big blocks anyway.
Thanks for watching Live Wire.. the Hemi's and BOSS 429's of the day we're making around 600hp my guess the plate knocked about 75-100hp off of that due to the speeds they were turning so like you said the difference in weight between them would have put them in the same ballpark..
Glad you enjoyed it!
Andy
And even if there was a slight power disadvantage, it may have used a little less fuel, too. The aero certainly would have helped with fuel consumption. What an interesting story!
With better camera clarity, I would watch these cars all day ... like I used to. On race days I made no other plans.
I haven't watched a Nascar race in over 15 years. RIP Nascar.
Yep. That was the "pit maneuver " that was put on the wing car.
Man this has such a different feel than the modern race. NASCAR just doesn’t seem as exciting anymore.
You are right about that! Thanks for watching!
Andy
This truly was the golden age of NASCAR in my opinion. I'm now 77 and a Brit and I loved following the NASCAR scene through American magazines like Hot Rod. The cars were awesome and the drivers had charisma. I'm afraid the magic has long gone and todays racing just doesn't appeal at all. Although modified for racing it was great to see some factory sheet metal out there. One of the problems I feel is that most modern production cars have very little appeal. Although a lifelong Ford enthusiast occasionally I see a winged car over here and to me they are jaw dropping all these years later, must have been out of this world to see and hear them in action on the tracks.
Oh it's not. Nascar is a cookie cutter class, not about the brand, it's about fuel mileage & luck, nothing more
Those winged Mopars are flat-out the very best cars that have ever run in NASCAR and absolutely legendary cars on their own.
You hit the nail on the head with the simple fact that corporate America was not going to let that car win no matter what! To bad because he had the right guy building his engine that’s for sure!
This was an awesome story Andy.
I never knew about this, I would venture to say not many people did.
Another version of this story, the little 305 engine that could.
This car and it's engine and the driver and team owner obviously paved the way for smaller cubic inch engines in Nascar.
Thanks for sharing this piece of Automotive history Andy.
Take care, Ed.
Thanks Ed, it is some pretty neat Automotive history! The Mini-Motor that could... I'm glad you enjoyed it
Andy
And then came the V6....😫
This was trans am engine size. This story was well known back then real story is what happened to Mario Rossi.
@@johnnywalker640 you are right! Thanks for watching
Andy
Manual steering, brakes and a clutch that took all the leg power you could muster.
Real vehicles.
Thanks for the video 👍
That's right Gary! Thanks for watching
Andy
Very proud that my father Bob Sykes and Keith Black built those badass small blocks for Mario Rossi! It was almost a winner!
That is awesome! Thanks for sharing that... It definitely was in the hunt to win! Until he was taken out by Hamilton...
Andy
NO... it WAS a winner.....got crashed out, damaged and STILL made 7th place??
WINNER in my book...and that tells you how good a motor that lil 305 musta been to stick with the big dogs like it did!!!
@@ssnerd583 We agree but try not to brag… You know, dad watched that race and never said anything about sending two engines to Daytona…. Come to find out, dad and Keith ran thru several barrels of racing gas calling each barrel a pit stop… The cops came too because Keith never really built a good muffler system at that time… The cops ended up staying after they found out what the noise was for…. KB and dad pretty much had the LA engines really humming after the Plymouth Indy project and the Trans AM series… Very proud of my old man … Dad and Keith were hydroplane buddies.. started Black and Sykes in Keith’s back yard shop was overwhelmed and then they went legit and built the first shop in South Gate…. the rest was history….
That is such cool history! Thanks for sharing that
@@bobbysykesjr.354 ....the MOPOR LA was one of those that took the money at the stoplight drags every saturday night that nobody wants to talk about....lol
My old '69 Dart 340 4speed ran away from a lot of BB motors.....so I know :)
Thank you for posting this. I was 5 years old - watching this with my dad. I didn't understand what was going on at the time. Now as a Mopar "guy" owner of a 70 roadrunner, all I can say is - OUTSTANDING!!!!
That is awesome! I'm glad you enjoyed thanks for watching
Andy
What a great piece! Thank you! As a HUGE fanatic of the factory Mopar racing efforts, I would like to simply add two things... first, Chrysler made a fairly large commitment to Keith Black for the Trans Am LA engines without giving him enough time to properly achieve the reliability needed to put Dan Gurney and Sam Posey in the winner's circle.... but by the end of the year, the AAR Cudas and T/A Challengers were competitive but Chrysler still pulled the plug on the program... The R&D work done by Mr Black led into the W2 program and lots of wins for both Richard Petty AND Bob Glidden in the mid 70s.... With Chrysler pulling out of Trans Am, KB had a shop full of now well sorted out 305 motors.... and Mario Rossi had a idea...and he was right. The plan was to run the 'mini-motor' Daytona at all the big tracks in 71, with Rossi getting the benefit of a much cheaper engine, better mileage and less tire wear. They were on their way to winning the 500 as your video shows... Big Bill wasn't happy...he wanted the aero cars gone... Mopar wasn't happy... they were still selling Street Hemi Road Runners and Chargers... Cotton Owens got the nod to do the dirty work and he told his driver Pete Hamilton to put the bumper to Brooks... and after the race, Big Bill told Rossi dont come back with that car... Only 3 years later NASCAR would start to force teams over to using small blocks... but the history books would be much different if Brooks and Rossi were allowed to keep running the 'Mini Motor' Daytona...
Chrysler was already developing the 366 because NASCAR decided to kill the big blocks in 1970. First plate race was August 16, 1970 at Michigan and every race thereafter required the big blocks to run a restrictor, either plates or rings. The move the small blocks was planned out at meeting before the 1970 season.
The engine was not cheap, it was $3000 and it didn't get better mileage since it ran at 9000 RPMs while the 430s were running 6400 RPMs, which comes out to about the same mileage. Higher RPMs means more wear, not less.
Thanks for the history lesson Andy. Very cool and a 7th place finish after a wreck like that… mind blowing. Shocked more guys didn’t try the same thing after those results.
After that Nascar banned the winged car all together!
Thanks for watching
Andy
@@UnityMotorSportsGarage Nope. They are listed as eligible in the 1972 and 1973 rule books. Just too expensive to get a 305 that could hold up over 500 miles. The cost of the engine was around $3000 each and to get the 465-480 HP from it and not blow up was too much to too many teams. The cars were never banned.
Check out the 1973 rule book and you'll see that the Superbird was still eligible to run, just with a 305.
@@Ziggy_Moonglow thesales team must have hated the idea that a 305 could keep up and beat the big blocks
Never realized that someone actually fielded a 305 ci Daytona or Superbird. Thanks for sharing.
Wes, I'm glad you enjoyed it
Andy
Excellent video. I had to laugh at myself, though, while watching it. I discovered that I was just as angry at NASCAR today as I was 50 years ago for what they put Chrysler through. Yeah, I'm one of those "Mopar or No Car" guys lol, but it's also true that I haven't watched NASCAR since and switched to drag racing in 1973. If you want to beat me(and vice versa) how about building a better car? Thanks for the good work!
Thanks for watching William! I hope you enjoyed it..
Andy
William Mopar was and still to this day not part of the good ole boy network. Because they are the underdog that can't be beat
I love this sort of slice of nostalgia, especially since I don't know much about NASCAR history. Thanks for sharing.
All u need to know hangonsloop is Mopar always leaves the Chevy and Ford boys in the dust!
Ah, I remember watching this race at the time: mind-blowing how that "little" Daytona gave everyone else fits, and, much as I was a Pearson/Ford fan, I was rooting hard for Brooks.
Love seeing this. This is exactly the reason I tore the 440 out of my 73' Charger and put in a hot, aluminum head 318. It's lighter, revs Way better, and yes it's quicker!.. It also gets 40%+ better mileage, 14-15 vs 9-10. Who would have thought!?
Modern cylinder heads, camshafts, and intake/exhaust manifolds can really turn a mild small block into a formidable engine.
@@LionWithTheLamb
Indeed! I used a stock 340 cam for the initial buildup just to see what would happen. Revision "A" will occur over the following winter and it will get a proper custom camshaft to add even more modern goodness to the combination with high emphasis being put toward good torque and mid-range power to get this old girl moving with the 3:23s that aren't going anywhere. Being a factory 4-speed car certainly helps. 🏁
You could doo even better with a Gen 3 Hemi!
I have a 73 charger rally with a 340. I love that motor. I have a 440 ina 68 coronet RT as well, but that small block spin up quicker and will roast the 295. 50's all day long. Easier to work on as well
Uncle Tony would’ve thought.
Loved Saturday afternoon as a kid watching Wide World of Sports.
The Mandated 121 cubic inch capacity drop happened at Le Man's with the 7 to 5 liter capacity drop at the end of the GT40s reign. Same desire to curb the 200 plus mph top speeds. Bill France got his idea...From the French...Nice to see some LA small block love, Andy.👍👊
Yup, and the fact of the Trans Am series 5.0/Under liter class pretty impressive that it hung with the Hemi's and BOSS 429's until he was taken out...
Andy
The gt40’s won le man’s in 68 and 69 with a small block
@@travislostaglia8861 GT40's had a big block 427, eh?
@@xxxYYZxxx In 66-67 they had the 427 FE ,68-69 they had a small block ford with gurney westlake heads
@@travislostaglia8861 correct.
Sort of reminds me of the 170cid subcompact class that Mopar dominated. Ford and Chevy crying ended it. Mopar fought the big boys all the time. Everytime they got an advantage the rules were changed. Thanks for the story I had never heard!!
I'm glad you enjoyed it thanks for watching!
Andy
Correct. Same thing happened in drag racing. Mopar wins = new rules must be implemented.
@@scottsmith491 In the NHRA Super Stock class the Challenger Drag Pak's have to be heavier than the COPO Camaros and the Cobra Jet Mustangs because they kept winning. I swear Ford and GM have racing organizations in their pockets because whenever they win it must be because they built the better car, but when Mopar wins rules change...
NHRA told Buddy Martin in '72 They wanted Ford and Chevy in the winners circle.. they didn't care about Mopar! You can see Buddy Martin tell the story here on UA-cam..
Andy
@@UnityMotorSportsGarage which is funny because even with Toyota in top fuel they all use a Chrysler derived hemi. I don't get why racing orginazions always hated Mopar. Nascar has had it out for them since the 1969 season, and with them withdrawing from the sport entirely now twice says a lot.
I think the car was still competitive even with a tiny engine, but it probably needed a better driver to make history. However, 426 engine speed is complete insanity, 217mph in open field is just mind blowing
Rare footage indeed. A Porsche pace car? Imagine being in that thing wound up tight as a clock with all that horsepower behind you probably in 2nd gear.
Iroc was originally 911s
@@silverpairaducks At least those were 911's. A 914 just a step up from a VW.
@@silverpairaducks But that was a spec race, intended to be in various marques, Chevy, BMW, Holden, ect every year on different international tracks, but was deemed too expensive to maintain, so we got what we got.
914/6 was faster than a 911
I remember standing outside the track coming out of turn 4 into the trioval and seeing the air off of the wing. The car was below the wall. Couldn’t see the car or the wing but you could clearly see the air!
Goddamned that race was exciting. At the beginning the chant of the Hemi at full noise on a closed Talladega cracking 200MPH average was pretty special too. The echo of it made me have to go lie down for half an our.
Cheers for posting this Andy.
The sound of that Hemi on the high banks of Talladega was amazing! Thanks for watching and im glad you enjoyed it
Andy
hi andy,here a mopar guy from argentina.i love the 60 and 70s NASCAR stock cars,god bless the american power!
Thanks for watching Lobo GTX
Andy
Videos like this turn on my regreats. I started working with developing these cars in 69. I often watch these to try to see me, often I was in a gray lab coat. I remember we seemed to have restricted carbs and others didn’t have that. Memory might be defective. I remember beating Yarborough with a Plymouth. Richard was 6 mph faster in the corner and carried that speed on the straight away.
Dick Brooks was a good driver and well liked by his peers, he just never seemed to get a break on the track. Another good underdog was Bobby A. winning with AMC!
Loved this! I remember catching this race on Wide World of Sports as a 10 year old
I'm glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for watching
Andy
Back when Wide World of Sports was the only place you could see these races and other cool sports!
The corporate sponsored cars had both money and rule advantage. The 305 short stroke was genius and with high compression he was able to produce respectable horse power and run at a higher RPM. With proper gearing he made a respectable run. The fun part of this film, I was in the infield at this race. This was the time of true stock cars, not the purpose built race cares of today. My last Daytona 500 attendance was in 1973 when I moved to California.
Good memories!
Great video. I was screaming "No, no, no!" when Foyt took him out.
Thanks for watching.. I'm glad you enjoyed it..
Andy
That was super interesting! I knew the car had raced! Never knew any more detail. Thanks for sharing!
I'm glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for watching
Andy
Appreciate your efforts and the time you spent on this part of history. Reminds me of how much I used to like watching racing. Thanks Andy.
Same here. I’m a used to be a fan. 70’s through the late 80’s were the best
Thanks for watching, I'm glad you enjoyed it
Andy
Man, I was pulling for the underdog . . . 51 years later. That was exciting racing.
I'm 49 years old and I love everything NASCAR. I believe David Pearson is the best driver alltime.
David Pearson was the Man! That Wood Brothers Mercury was awesome... Of course I'm partial since I carry the Wood last name!
Thanks for watching
Andy
I have been a Nascar fan since the 1960s. A mopar fan. I have never forgotten that race, thank you for putting this together. If my memory isn't failing me, theirs another twist to the Nascar rules that race or possibly the super speedways I don't recall. That is the big block Mopar had to be the 426 wedge engine and Fords big block also had to be the wedge engine not the Ford 429 canted hemi . interesting stuff.
I dont think thats true, as you can clearly see the 429 script on AJ Foyts hood
The plate rules stated that the hemispherical engines (429 and 426) had to use plates with smaller openings so many teams went with the wedge engines and bigger plate. Pretty much, only the best of the best could tune a hemi and adding the plate made it even more difficult. I recall reading about Wendell Scott getting a 429 and hating it because he got more HP from his 427. Robert Yates, who helped develope the 429, mentioned that it was pulling the same as the 427, around 580, until they reworked the heads and then they were getting 610 to 620 from it, before the plates. It wasn't a rule that teams couldn't run the hemis, just different plates that made the hemi less effective, NASCAR's way or 'persuading' teams to use less 'exotic' equipment.
@@Ziggy_Moonglow Thanks for the clarification. Indeed, I had forgotten some details. I did remember that at the time I was surprised how well the 426 wedge (stage III heads, I think) preformed. Thanks again for your clarification.
The MPC Richard Brooks Dodge Daytona scale model was one of my favorites.
Loved the winged MOPARs. The aero war in NASCAR only lasted a short time, but it was my favorite time in NASCAR history. Ford had the King Cobra on deck to counter the Daytona/Superbird, but NASCAR called it all off before we got to see it hit the track.
When NASCAR went back to driving square boxes and banned the 7-liter engines, I quit watching, and didn’t go back until Bill Elliott started setting the super-speedways back on fire with that slick little T-Bird in ‘86-‘87. Of course, NASCAR stepped in and killed that, too.
Great video....Kieth Black also developed the 305 motor for Formula 5000 road racers and Indianapolis 500 duty.....With quite a bit of help from Chrysler....The cylinder heads were from the 340 Six Pack motor found in the T/A Challengers and AAR Cuda's which had offset rocker arm geometry over the regular 340 motors....Head was the "W1" type of cylinder head then I think Dan Gurney had Harry Westlake of England make some Mopar heads for the LA motors like Gurney had comissioned for the small block Fords a few years earlier.
The old mopars were always my favorite. The winged warriors were very fast and my personnel favorite and were finally outlawed by nascar because nothing could really compete with it. Earnhardt said the only thing that could draft the winged mopars was another winged mopar because the draft turbulence were so violent in a normal car that it was dangerous to draft one unless you were in one too! Those were the real days of thunder!
Thanks for watching!
Andy
Where is Mario today? That's another interesting story.
Super cool.. my old neighbor owned a mostly mopar junkyard in moline Illinois. He had a 305 trans am block and crank he had always planned on putting in his 70 t/a challenger. Sadly he never got around to it because he got lymes disease and basically drank himself to death because of the pain.. he also had a torn down 77 “kit car” in his barn that was supposedly a former nascar.
Great video thanks for showing it and there's no denying that NASCAR always had something against Chrysler products still to this day
Ahhhhh. The lovely sound of an un-muffled engine powered by leaded fuel. Back when innovation by the ever resourceful individual crew chief bending the rules to their own advantage. Plus, no speed limits on pit road….If you’re not bending the rules, you ain’t serious abt winning…..
Thanks for watching James! I'm glad you enjoyed it
Andy
Always loved giant slayer combinations. The weirder, the better👍
I agree! Very impressive to me as well... Thanks for watching
Andy
That was some real racin' there! I really love these old videos. I remeber going with my dad to Races when I was a kid along these years and all those guys were running.
Thanks for watching I'm glad you enjoyed it
Andy
I remember listening to this race on the radio as a 19 year old. No TV in those days, at least not where I was. I think there was a pay-for-view in town, but that was out of the question for a country boy. I was and still am a fan of the winged cars, and Dick Brooks was one of my favorite drivers.
I think the SBM is one of the most under rated engines. It's also the quickest and fastest small block in the 1/8th and 1/4 naturally aspirated (in a full chassis car) last I checked.
I agree.. Thanks for watching
Andy
Damn, Andy, I was 13 years old when that race took place, and all we had was Wide World of Sports back then to watch clips of the race. You showed us more of it than I thought existed, and great quality too. Thanks!!!!!
I'm glad you enjoyed it Jeff!
Andy
Great video enjoyed it very much love the Mopars
Thanks for watching! I'm glad you enjoyed it
Andy
When everyone is doing one thing, try the alternative. Not only might you win but the audience will be behind you because you’re the underdog. The little engine that could. 😁👍🏻
This is the story of the small block Mopar... I feel like Chrysler protected the big blocks even in street cars
I think they didn’t trust themselves to win without the big blocks because they were the mopar holy grail of the time
Indeed, I'm more on the drag racing side and there was little talk of an A body with a 340 running away from B or E bodies with a 383.
Chrysler deliberately derated the 340 small block as it wasn't allowed to overlap the 383 in the engine range..
@@zrad770 it is a shame they never developed the A bodies they had loads of potential E bodies and B bodies got all the attention along with the big blocks
@My Pronoun is WTF a good 318 could do that with a little work
Every Chrysler fan knows the General Motors always changes the rules when the Chrysler products dominate
and Chrysler changed the rules when Ford brought out the 427 SOHC.
Great story . Mopar or no car .awesome!
Im glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for watching
Andy
That is some great history, thank you Andy.
Well done piece Andy! I used to watch the races growing up and somewhere in the late 70's I stopped because it was obvious the corporate monster was so intent on pushing out the little people who built the sport. I've driven past the North Wilkesboro track in NC on 421 many times through the years and I know who it is to blame for the small tracks to be abandoned. If NSACAR could keep tracks like RIR going, these other tracks could have stayed open. My dream of doing the roundy-round was gone and that's how I got hooked up with a moto-cross pal in High Skrewl to give Bracket racing a shot some 40 years ago. It was that or try to get into stunt car work. Neither panned out but it was a lot of fun just trying to get there. I think your analysis of the event is correct. It wouldn't have been the first time a "team" driver was told to do the dirty to somebody else. I think I would have made sure Hamilton would have gotten a closer look at the knuckles on my right hand. I found myself cringing and yelling at the computer screen like I did so many decades ago. Again, well done sir!
Thanks LB, it is interesting how Brooks ran up all day and then Hamilton got into him.. he didn't get any help drafting either.. Thanks for watching I'm glad you enjoyed it..
Andy
@@UnityMotorSportsGarage Thank you Andy and please, give Mr. Vizard a big "thank you" for writing the carb-intake how to book! Awesome information in one place!
Great video, I never knew about this car but I was only 3 when this happened. Great job on preserving a piece of NASCAR history!
Thanks John! I'm glad you enjoyed it...
Andy
I never knew it until after he passed,but Elmo Stott was married to my uncle John Hawley's aunt(I think it was his aunt,or cousin). I know uncle John gave me a postcard of Elmo kneeling against his winged car,in the infield, with a big grin on his face! I wish I knew this when I was younger & driving through Iowa. I remember passing through Keokuk once,where Elmo lived.❤
This was awesome. Thanks. I have preferred Mopar, slants and small blocks, since the '60s.
Thanks for watching! I'm glad you enjoyed it
Andy
Andy, thank you so much for sharing this!! I will also have to go with the assumption that the big boys were scrambling to do whatever it takes to not be embarrassed. Since I grew up on a dirt track, watching the Big & small block modifieds, I was always taught, "there's no replacement for displacement. " . Well, I saw that was almost true, lol. Some dirt tracks the small block was king, because they could rev at a higher rpm than the big blocks. Not to mention the difference in fuel consumption, or mileage as we call it today.
i worked on the pit crew of a guy who in his 20's went to north carolina and became one of the very best fabricators in nascar history , he started out at the age of 15 in a street stock 64 ford fairlane running a 289 against big block c hevys ,fords and mopars for 2-3 seasons and more than held his own against those guys on dirt with a unibody car with the smallest engine in his class by far ! Those were the good old days and i remember them fondly.
Even with a severely neutered engine the Daytona was a viable competitor.
Yes it was!
Andy
Great upload. Can't remember the last time I watched nascar, but this old stuff is literally captivating.
Rossi had support in the major speedway races during 1969 and 1970 from Chrysler. The Rossi 305 in '71 was a collaborative effort funded by Chrysler. Chrysler engineering's predictive testing showed the engine could be competitive, but no one knew for sure because the first time the engine sat between the rails was at the race track in Daytona. The end result was that NASCAR told Rossi and Chrysler not to bring the car back for Ontario.
Cool bit of race history there Andy, thanks for sharing!
Thanks brother..
Made in America. Unreal what has happened. Unreal
I love it
An obscure but oh, so interesting little snippet of American racing history. Loved it! Thanks so much!
Perfect example of GM's thumb on NASCAR, all beginning 50+ yrs ago.
Come on man, don't be a hater. GMs thumb on NASCAR? And Ford was letting GM have its way? Hardly. The Hemi Superbirds were too fast on the super speedway. That 200 mph mark was seen as too fast. In those cars? Probably right. The Manufacturer Wars were real. Any advantages favoring any single brand was not good for the sport and they knew it. The video in fact showed the smaller displacement motor in the Superbird was clearly competitive. Dodge/Chrysler would never have supported it at the factory level. Dodges Superbird was doomed regardless. No one bought them. They were deemed ugly by most. GMs thumb. Hardly.
That’s amazing, I didn’t know!
It's pretty cool stuff.. that was the last race for a Winged car...
Thanks for watching
Andy
Thank you , great video. Shows how awesome small block mopar is !
Thanks for watching David! I'm glad you enjoyed it
Andy
Great video!!! Thanks for sharing.
HowDo? I'm very impressed with destroked 305 cu.inch dodge mother, especially; running against the restricted big blocks.They surely had a good combination plus the airodynamics of the nose and wing set up.It was too bad he didn't have any drafting help.A seventh place finish was very satisfactory after,he was taken out of the running.
I agree.. it was impressive! Thanks for watching
Andy
Still got my “last Daytona” slot car… that says it all. 😎
Red/gold was a classic..
Very nice Andy!!
How cool is that! How's Booger doing?
@@UnityMotorSportsGarage Booger runs pretty well. Needs a lot though. Been thinking about letting him go to someone who can make him whole again.
Between body work, front end, rear end. He’s more than I can handle and I’m not gonna watch him rot. I’ve never been someone who holds on to something simply because I’m too tight to let it go, or just to say “I have one”. I know when it’s too much for me… maybe that way I can get the Toyota running right. It’s actually more useful to me and my family than Booger. I feel like I’ve let him down but unfortunately, he needs a home where someone can put him back to some kind of former glory and not hit speed bumps and watch the body parts fall off, lol.
Very awesome Andy! This era of Nascar was the best imo.
Thank you for that piece of history!!!
That was awesome....
Cheers 🍻!!!
Thanks for watching Brent! I'm glad you enjoyed it
Cheers
Andy
First the new rule did NOT eliminate the superbird and daytona......it applied to all 5 of the aerocars including the Talladega Torino, Mercury SPoiler and Charger 500.
Hmm 🧐 interesting point
I really liked NASCAR when the cars were actual 'stock cars', not these melted marshmallows with high tech nobody can actually buy. What ever happened to the 305 car, does it still exist?
Pretty sure it was scrapped.
But that car was borderline unstoppable, fought like a real warrior.
A true piece of history. Thanks a bunch for posting it.
Thanks for watching
Andy
Yep going to build one for my display case love all the wing cars!!
There's always a Ford or Chevy crying over Mopar..
Was hard to see witch car was a Daytona cause the wing was hard to see, but all you need to do is watch for the unique Daytona rear window. And for those not familiar with the aerowing Mopars, the wing was connected all the way to the car rear frame because the down force generated was well over 100lbs.
Would have like to be in the pits on that w-e back then, getting a Cale Y. autograph.... (& Tks Andy for this vid.)
250# of downforce at the rear wheels and 0 at the front with the wing at 6 degrees and body raked 1.5 degrees at 190 MPH are the most common numbers I've seen in the documents I've reviewed. Going higher on the wing added more drag, lifted the nose and slowed the car so while it could go up to 10 degrees and produce over 300# of downforce at 190MPH, the drag would make getting 190 difficult and it would make the nose light, so it wasn't optimum. They only ran max wing at Riverside but topped out around 180 on the backstretch.
There is a site called "AeroWarriors" that has a "Chysler Document Archive" in the Table of Contents. It's got GREAT documentation of wind tunnel, testing and race information for Chrysler and other makes from the early 60s through the 80s.
@DS Symonds, Was a nice comment you made on this matter, tks!👍
I loved this video---!!!!! 305 cubes and aerodynamics proves you dont need a Big Block To Win Or go fast
I'm glad you enjoyed it Rich, Thanks for watching
Andy
That's so awesome! Thanks for putting it together.
Great video Andy. Very informative. Being a life long fan of the Sb Mopar this does not surprise me. I wonder if they ran TA heads or the W2. I’m in fort mill.
They were running the TA heads... The W2's didn't come out until the mid '70's
You are practically in my backyard! I'm in Mt. Holly
Thanks for watching
Andy
The 305 was built by my dad Bob Sykes who was Keith Blacks head R&D engine builder. Heads were T/A with raised rockers using Hemi valve springs. It used an Engle Cam shaft, dry sump and Carrillo rods. Both my dad and Chrysler engineer Bob Tarozzi developed the 305 with many hours on KB’s dyno. This whole small block development first started with the 318 Plymouth Indy project. Various engines were built for sprint car, drag racing and of course the Trans Am series. This engine would run 9000 plus RPM on dyno testing. Damn impressive for 1971.
Glad you all enjoyed this!
That is awesome info! Thank you Kenny for sharing that..
Andy
Whoever thought of restrictor plates should be tried for treason
Enjoyed that very much. Thanks for posting.
Thanks for watching! Im glad you enjoyed it
Andy
Excellent!
Today's stock car racing just doesn't hold my interest because the race cars are not based on any production parts. The cars are incredible race cars but no longer stock cars.
That's exactly right... People can't relate to the cars being raced! Thanks for watching
Andy
I can’t help but wonder if he was spun out on purpose. How was the fuel consumption of the 305? Could he run and additional couple of laps per tank full? That might be the advantage he needed in the final laps. Did the 305 car run higher gears and higher RPM’s?
I don't have an idea on the fuel consumption.. but I do know it was turning well over 9000rpms and even seeing 10k at times during the race!
Thanks for watching
Andy
The 9000+ RPM killed any fuel savings. The big blocks with the plates were only turning around 6400 RPMs, according to the documents I've got, which comes out about even on fuel consumption.
Very good video, and well put together. I have watched the 71 Daytona race a few times, and know the history of the restrictions, and the winged cars. But this is the first video I have watched that has explained things very well. Thanks for making it.
Thanks for Watching John! Im glad you enjoyed it
Andy
Fantastic racing. The little engine that could !!