This Is What A Real $5M Portfolio Looks Like In Retirement [Case Study] ᴴᴰ
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
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Thank you for your YT videos. Giving me more confidence yet still haven't pulled the trigger on an early retirement. Health worries me and I know it's time to get serious, but hard to do after 40+ years of working.
Would appreciate any guidance on my situation you're willing to give. I'd prefer my wife to be anonymous should you use this as a video idea but I know you often use John Sample so that's fine with me.
Age: 59 & wife is 56 (leaving anonymous).
Details: wife has a pension of $45k/year with a COLA. I have no pension.
SS: Planning on SS for me at 70 ($4,200) and wife will get spousal at FRA. Open to other options.
Assets: 401(k) - $2.6M, Brokerage $650k, Roth IRA - $410k, Wife Roth IRA $114k, 403(b) - $67k, IRA $1.1M, HSA - $45k
How soon can I retire with total confidence (since I know enough to be dangerous)?!
Like most, tax planning is the area I'm seeking guidance on as well as ensuring my withdrawal strategy is proficient so I never run the risk of running out.
Appreciate the show and you and James are the best in the business.
Ari Taublieb, CFP®, MBA is the Vice President of Root Financial Partners (Fiduciary) and host of the Early Retirement Podcast.
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I'm 54 and my wife and I are VERY worried about our future, gas and food prices rising daily. We have had our savings dwindle with the cost of living into the stratosphere, and we are finding it impossible to replace them. We can get by, but can't seem to get ahead. My condolences to anyone retiring in this crisis, 30 years nonstop just for a crooked system to take all you worked for.
I feel your pain mate, as a fellow retiree, I’d suggest you look into passive index fund investing and learn some more. For me, I had my share of ups and downs when I first started looking for a consistent passive income so I hired an expert advisor for aid, and following her advice, I poured $30k in value stocks and digital assets, Up to 200k so far and pretty sure I'm ready for whatever comes.
@@johnawara9719 That's actually quite impressive, I could use some Info on your FA, I am looking to make a change on my finances this year as well
You can look her up online
@@johnawara9719 The crazy part is that those advisors are probably outperforming the market and raising good returns but some are charging fees over fees that drain your portfolio. Is this the case with yours too?
@@johnawara9719 I will give this a look, thanks a bunch for sharing.
With large portfolios, I don't understand the need for complex balancing/rebalancing and broad diversification. Set aside 5 or so years of expenses in short-term stable investments (offset by steady income from dividends, interest, and social security) to ride out any bear market, and the rest can remain in growth. The investment decisions actually get easier with large portfolios.
Well said. Could not say it better myself!
I really like you and your partner. You both are clear and know your stuff. What I don't know, is why your company is an AUM. I won't work with one, for a couple of reasons, but YOU brought up the main reason for me. It would just be too much money, given the portfolio size. Have you thought about some type of service that is more "self service" where people would send you a portfolio analysis done maybe with something like New Retirement, and you advise and critique for a fee? I bet a lot of your viewers would be interested. (Not suggesting just you be the reviewer, maybe a team you manage.)
Anyways, I am a subscriber, and watch your videos mainly for the reason why I thnk you make them. I find personal finance, and retirement analysis interesting, and you can help people ALOT. (I help people in other ways besides YT, but we mostly communicate the same knowledge, and skills that you do.) . Difference is you reach many, I reach few. But I can give more detailed advice than you can though. Anyway I hope you consider the "self service idea", perhaps you need to tweak it, or put a lot of structure around it.
Completely agree with your sentiments @buyerclub2. No AUM agreement for me either. Also wishing they would offer an 'a la cart' scenario analysis service.
I agree. The AUM model, even with a decreasing % fee for larger portfolios, benefits the advisor too much. I'd be more interested if a flat annual fee or per review.
why send detailed info like that WITHOUT the expenses expected per year or presence or absence of big liabilities like a mortgage? if his question is how much he can pull, obviously he can get 244K/yr with the pension plus 4% withdrawal rate and with enough money in the brokerage for bridge account before touching the retirement plans. what if they spend 400,000 per yr then it wouldn't be enough. they also will likely get 73K per yr in SS(those should be in todays dollars). at least i learned about the 50% applies to spousal benefits AT FRA.
I appreciate the case study. This portfolio has so much overlap, complication and fees. 80%+ should be in broad .04% index funds full stop, done. But most of the public spends more time comparing $1 diffs in basic daily whatevers than they do learning simple investor basics so they come to FPs. Hopefully good ones like you.
Thank you.
I’m planning on retiring at the end of this year, at age 56, single man, with an estimated $6.5M after selling my home. About 84% in taxable. Since I will have sold my house, I plan to travel, slowly. I will do Roth conversions in the following years. Asset allocation of 75% US stock, 24% bonds (total bond, munis, I bonds), 1% cash. Social security but no pensions.
You can withdraw 13,000 per month with no issues
What do you average on returns with your municipal’s & I bonds?
@@clintonwhite2966 I flipped my munis to treasuries for a slightly higher after tax yield. I bonds totally depends on the mix of when you bought - my average today is ~4%.
@@nunuvyurbiz123 how to invest in bonds for 4%
I'm only 3 mins into the video and these folks have a $45k/year pension, around $5m in assets and their main question is how soon they can retire? I mean, what is your current lifestyle? If your expenses are less than $250k a year, you can safely withdraw $200k to $250k a year and your money will never run out!!
You need 7M to even think about retiring.
@@Ozymandias-r2vDepends on how old you are. If you have 5 million usd to invest and get 4-5% return annually, and your annual expenses is around $140k per year, you can retire anytime.
Thank you Ari for the great content and awesome delivery!. Just one suggestion: when sharing your screen you should maximize it with you taking only a small portion of the screen like James and many others do. In this video you were taking about a third of the screen and what you were sharing was too small to read. Thank you.
Thank you! I’ll make that change so it’s as big as possible. I appreciate the feedback.
Great info, you guys are so knowledgeable. I’m learning a lot, each video is a well of knowledge.
You made an interesting comment. My fiancé believes we should reduce the risk of our 401k's to a 80/20 ratio. Your comment about trying to stay ahead of inflation was a good point. Thank you.
Who wants to be the richest person in the graveyard, seriously. Die with $0. Enjoy the life you worked hard for, not leaving it for anyone.
Ultimate Boomer comment 😅
Hope you leave something for your heirs
@@katovomkoziesyes, boomer is indeed the case. We have no kids, only neices and nephews and we already spoil them rotten. Money left behind for others is ok but time spent and money spent on family while you’re still alive is so much better. It’s about the experience, not the money left behind. Spending every cent
Yes
great video! What tool did you use to find the breakdown of each mutual fund/etf to see what each holds in individual stocks?
I get my groceries at Aldi & Wal-Mart, so i guess it's no surprise that the vast majority of my investments are index mutual funds. 😅
I use New Retirement software and have gotten a lot of perspective by "pushing buttons & pulling levers" like is done in this video. Very enlightening to see how my plan can fail.
With a $5M portfolio & "normal" lifestyle, it's difficult to NOT get a probability of success percentage of 99-100%. If you haven't done a deep dive into your financial situation, it's comforting to know you'll be (more than) okay. However, after it percolates in your mind a while, you wonder what you're going to do with $27M when you're 90. At that point, you realize you can enjoy life more than you imagined. My sweet spot for success percentage now is 85-90%--still plenty of cushion, but many more opportunities to use wealth to enhance your life.
without knowing what they wanna spend , its impossible to know ....the whole retirement scenario has little to do with portfolio size , but a ton to do with expenses ... if they only wanna spend 3k per month , they could have retired 20 years ago 🤣
You’re so right! Wish they would have mentioned it (since I’m equally curious to all of you). I have asked and will report back once they reply.
Thanks, Ari. Learning from a great teacher maximizes the value of time spent.😀
You are so welcome! Thanks, David.
I love these planning sessions. Thank you. One thing I want to know is that these kind of High worth individuals that you show must have real estate. Either direct ownership or through syndications. How come you never show anything on that side of their investment? I would like to see somebody with a more rounded financial situation other than just stocks and bonds and the regular everyday items that many of you FPs cover. No one has ever gone to in-depth plan with other assets involved and how they impact the financial retirement plan. Thanks for the good work.
Great idea. I’ll add that to my next video! Yes they often have significant real estate :)
@@earlyretirementari look forward to hearing it.
Excellent video, very instructive. Is the software you use available to your customers?, thanks and keep up the good work.
Thank you! Yes - it is available to all of our clients.
Appreciate you doing portfolios of all sizes. One Q: At the income levels you're talking about here wouldn't AMT impact some of the tax brackets you show at about the 21:50 mark?
Yes it certainly can, but you can do plan around this with income so it’s not an issue. I may do a separate video on that if it’s helpful!
@@earlyretirementari
Yes please!
Love your videos. The best quality on the internet for retirement financial planning. I have a new question that I hope you can address. Once you have maxed out your 401k or IRA, would it make any sense to fully fund a child's 529 plan, even if you thought there was a good chance you might not be able to use it for education. In other words, would it ever make any sense to fully fund a 529 plan with the INTENTION of paying the 10% penalty and tax to use it on non educational expenses some day, as compared to a taxable brokerage account, just to get the tax deferred capital gains ????????
Another thing to add to your scenario is that the wife, if she worked can take Social Security at 62 off her own work record and then at 67 full retirement age she can move to the spouse Social Security so it is a way to bring in more income from 62 to 66 if she retires before then. And she can still move to the spousal Social Security if it makes sense and it’s more than her Social Security on her work record. Don’t leave money on the table.
I understand that "diversification is good". But friends of mine are still fuming because they had around 75% of their 5 million investment dollars in Microsoft back in 2018, then they decided to get a financial advisor. Their financial advisor then had them sell almost all of their Microsoft stock and diversify - and (as of today) Microsoft is now up over 350% from when they sold. 😝
I’d be mad too. Here’s what I’d do ua-cam.com/video/MaZvQAiZM-s/v-deo.htmlsi=D_VkcOmZTD2uIgKx
Great vid ... but Vanguard isn't the dollar store. It's the honda and toyota of investment institutions.
Thank you, Ari! I love these case studies. This one was excellent in pointing out the risk factors and true allocation of the overlap of different funds.
Ari....Great video...Keep up the good work! db
Ty!
Is there a way to access this kind of software ?
New Retirement
We’re retired and traveling the world full time! Love the case studies.
O well i,m absolute not a specialist in these matters but 5 million in a high yield account makes you aprox 150 K a year add some additional income, you can spend 200K a year
Yeap. You don’t need a specialist to retire if you have that kind of money. I (my wife and I) have 1.25 mill usd condo paid off, have 2.5 mill usd in investment accounts mostly in personal brokerage and around $600k in separate account to spend till I am 65 and start to receive SS benefits and Medicare. I am retired at 61. I get around $150k dividends before tax. My expenses is around $100k per year. By the time I start to receive SS benefits at 65, I can spend around $130k after tax comfortably. Unless your annual expenses are $300k net, you can retire with a house paid off and around $2.5 mill usd in investment account.
How much is enough?
It's never enough LOL
Obviously you need $1 Billion a year before death
I'm jealous of the easy software option to optimize Roth conversions at the touch of a slider that sets the maximum tax bracket, but I'm a lot less sure that a conversion plan that ignores IRMAA brackets is giving a good optimization.
Your opinion, Ari ?
Good question. Watch this: ua-cam.com/video/SsZUdBfUYok/v-deo.htmlsi=TVDP52dki7utQypp
Thanks Ari for the case study. Like always it was packed with a lot of information that you presented in an easy to understand way.
Thanks Mark!
withdraw only 15k and 5k with SS.... live on 20k/mo only. Then if you buy a car take the whole thing out on a good month. Buy low sell high. you will probably find you can increase your withdraw to 20k after 5 yrs... then 25k after 10 yrs. The growth will be insane.
Yes!
So this will apply to me never. 😂
Good info as always however this is like a beautiful woman saying-Am I pretty?
LOL, good analogy! And to carry it further, a beautiful woman can have a lot of anxiety over losing her looks.
Are you assuming RMD dollars go to their spending or reinvest in brokerage account as their expenses are covered from other sources?
Assume RMD is spent in this example.
@@earlyretirementari Thank you. Great content👍
@@Fiwithoptions you’re so welcomen
Awesome
Ariiiiiiiiiiiiiii!!!!!!
Yes, How Can I help you?
The problem is with roth most make way too much to contribute to roth so you can't do it... this example is kind of unrealistic in that way.
Do you use a mega backdoor?
@@earlyretirementari you can't. My friend ended up in prison doing that because his CPA told him he could but he made too much money. He was in the slammer for 3 yrs and lost all the gains over those years.
@@davedeboy5726 wow! Sorry to hear about you friend. Why isn’t everyone who executes it in prison?
@@earlyretirementari because they don't make enough money... that's why, so roth conversion can be performed. my friend made over 500k/yr. he was way over the limit.
@@davedeboy5726 sorry to hear about your friend
How many of us have 5 million 😂
Keep laughing
Laughing boy
@@METVWETV it’s good for health, you might consider pulling your stick out and trying it sometime 😂🤣😜
People who work hard and invest wisely will have this by retirement
More than you think.
How much do you have?
Didn’t you listen to the video? He said that he has videos based on different amounts. Find your amount and then watch the video. To your question, many of us have $5 million portfolios and that is why we are watching this.
If you help every 5 million dollar investor you will have helped a VERY SMALL percentage of the population .... best of luck ...
Thank you. I try to make videos for everyone from $0 to $10M so everyone can get guidance! Everything for beginners to those ultra-advanced.
@@earlyretirementari True, but for every video you post, you have helped a very large percentage of us DIY planners. Keep it up. 👍
@@ChristopherEvans-650 thank you very much
@@earlyretirementari
On behalf of the 2% we thank you!
Advice to the rest,
Numbers are numbers and we can always learn by listening and applying them to ourselves.
Live below your means and be deliberate and you will achieve success too.
@@METVWETV you got it.
Get real; most people don't have $5 Mill for retirement.
True, most don’t. Ari’s subscribers probably lean more heavily towards this amount than the average person does. This is free information here on UA-cam. If you can’t glean anything from it, don’t complain or waste your time here. Move on.
@@heidikamrath1951True. I think around 2.5% to 1% of Americans do. I personally think your annual next expenses is more important in determining how much NET annual income you need to retire. Some people can live comfortably on $50k per year while some have to have $200k per year. Doesn’t make any sense to do any case study without knowing how much a year you want to spend. I personally want to spend $150k per year, so I am taking suitable course for me.