When both work together masterpieces are born. Ravel was known for being a perfectionist and slow worker, he would revisit his compositions several times before publishing
SadisticKillerXx well when you’re dealing with dissonance like he did, it must be hard to choose intervals which don’t kill the piece. truly a master at work
@@SadisticKillerXx fun fact: he discarded (burned in fact) the original final movement he composed for this sonata, even though he’s reported to have described it himself as “ravishing “. Apparently he felt it wasn’t energetic and propulsive enough to conclude the work satisfactorily (to his notoriously stringent and self-critical standards at least). Sad that it’s lost to posterity
I love how at 15:19 he makes the piano enter differently than in the first time earlier in the movement, so the harmonies are slightly different and it sounds as if the piano has entered a bar early. Such an ingenious little twist that makes the recap section slightly more interesting
Ikkk! The second movement is called “The Blues”. It was inspired by Ravel’s trip to the U.S. where he learned about jazz. It was also written like that because he was going through some type of depression. But it’s just sooo groovy and upbeat!
Oof, I don't like it :( Ravel was very meticulous and specifically wrote out where he wanted the movement to swing - the parts where he writes it straight is to contrast, to balance it out and to make the swing parts swing more
Douwe Ziel I know, I’ve thought that on reflection, and often there’s a contrast where the piano is written to sound swung while the violin plays straight quavers - I guess this is to show the mixing of classical and jazz genres. Still, it’s an interesting interpretation to hear.
las personas que dieron dislaic al video, me imagino que llegaron a él por error, mientras buscaban otra cosa; porque no me imagino qué tipo de persona escribe en el buscador de youtube "Sonata Ravel" o algo semejante y al encontrarse con esto se disgusta. será la interpretación? en lo personal se me hace magnífica, (es un buen momento para usar la palabra) magistral!!!
Second movement of the piano concerto in G at 4:40, piano concerto for the left hand at 11:00, hints of Gershwin throughout...this piece is an awesome find
Ravel sagte zwar immer, dass er keine Ohrwürmer schreiben wollte. Aber ich pfeife manchmal zum Leidwesen meiner Mitmenschen die schrägsten Ravelmelodien vor mich hin.
The short section starting at 9:25 feels a nostalgic, cute, melancholic and sweet sort of look back at a fond memory of doing something mundane with a person you used to love, I can't get enough of Ravel's genius
For chords, I - II - V - I type tonal analysis would be less fruitful than classification by sonorities and intervals, (often open 5ths and major 7ths in this work). Themes and motifs should be fairly clear cut, and lead into classification by rhythm. The macro level forms are derived from the classical sonata but are not driven and shaped by functional tonal schemes. ( dechareli.lu/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/Dissertation-Baer-on-Ravel.pdf ) is a Ph.D. thesis containing an analysis at pg. 37 of the manuscript.
I don't know if there were ever any true impressionists in music. Both Ravel and Debussy almost always get classified that way, but the more you dive into their music, the more you realize they have absolutely nothing in common with Impressionist artists like Monet. They were basically just getting famous at the same time, so the wider public conflate them together. However, I know that Debussy associated himself a lot more with symbolist writers, and wished to be called a symbolist himself. This never caught on, though. He was also deeply influenced by Japanese art that he was exposed to at the Paris world fair (and I'm sure later too), and you can really hear that influence in his late works such as his piano etudes. Ravel was extremely ecclectic in the sources from where he got inspiration, but he tended to be kind of neoclassical (as someone else pointed out). He was also heavily influenced by the weird and morose literature of the Decadent movement in France. Anyway, this became a really big parragraph before I knew it, but the short answer is that they never saw themselves as impressionist, and they both draw from very different sources and artistic movements.
dis som weal fey sheet ! Fey! Music should never be fake jazz. Schonberg and the 2nd Viennese school took their turn into a mostly uncommunicative wilderness and here the well-known perfectionist craftsman writes elegant poop ! No wonder this is never played in concert. Debussy cello Sonata now that's a masterpiece .
Two musical discourses crisscross this work: an ephemeral lyricism and a Jazz influenced grassroots style. I don't think that the two styles work together. Just my opinion, but just listen to the second movement which makes me cringe.
very funny to read this (with all respect of course)! As this piece is to my years one of the most beautiful, concise and cohesive pieces I have heard! It's very interesting how different people hear the same thing differently/react opposingly. Some works by gershwin makes me cringe much more, I think
Only Ravel could possibly written this. Partly Jazz influenced yet still pure Ravel. What a composer.
"Music, I feel, should be emotional first and then intellectual." - Maurice Ravel
When both work together masterpieces are born. Ravel was known for being a perfectionist and slow worker, he would revisit his compositions several times before publishing
but who tells you? The mind of the emotions?
SadisticKillerXx well when you’re dealing with dissonance like he did, it must be hard to choose intervals which don’t kill the piece. truly a master at work
@@SadisticKillerXx fun fact: he discarded (burned in fact) the original final movement he composed for this sonata, even though he’s reported to have described it himself as “ravishing “. Apparently he felt it wasn’t energetic and propulsive enough to conclude the work satisfactorily (to his notoriously stringent and self-critical standards at least). Sad that it’s lost to posterity
“Don’t interpret my music, just play it”
-Maurice Ravel
I love how at 15:19 he makes the piano enter differently than in the first time earlier in the movement, so the harmonies are slightly different and it sounds as if the piano has entered a bar early. Such an ingenious little twist that makes the recap section slightly more interesting
that 2nd movement is so damn groovy
Which is why I was damn disappointed when I realised I couldn't stretch the chords in the accompaniment :(
Right when that piano A-flat drops!
Ikkk! The second movement is called “The Blues”. It was inspired by Ravel’s trip to the U.S. where he learned about jazz. It was also written like that because he was going through some type of depression. But it’s just sooo groovy and upbeat!
Shades of Reinhardt and Grapelli
Crunchy major sevenths, quintal harmony, whole tone scales, polytonality... and I'm only into the first movement. Dang Morrice
just on the 1st page and a lot of analitic fun
Maurice*
@@chrisoconnor9521 I'm pretty capable of reading and writing, was just joking with the French pronunciation
I had the pleasure to listen to this live yesterday and it was totally worth it
4:21 - 5:13 gives me chills every time
I love all of Ravel's music, but what I'm drawn to most is his chamber music like this. The string quartet and trio are also masterworks
So true! And Tzigane and Sonata for Violin and Cello (even though they're duets).
And his 1st violin sonata and the septet
Understandable.
Introduction and allegro 100/10
@@danielduplat4257 What makes that piece even more impressive is the fact that he wrote it in a week.
4:50 sounds very similar to the climax in the Adagio Assai from the Piano Concerto.
Third movement is one of the most insane things I've ever seen in my life
It is!! Especially those nasty sul G passages
Looks like broken chords...was Sevcik inspired by this? And omg the intro sul G made me noooooooopppppeee
One can surely discern similarities with the last movement of his Piano Concerto in G
@@UtsyoChakraborty I was wondering whether if it just was me, or if it was very similar to the finale of Ravel's own Concerto in G...
Plus little echoes of "L'enfant et les Sortileges "!
Heck ya Maurice
Debussy and ravel for ethereal music you can’t beat them
Nice to sleep....would sound better with some cannabis.
Definitivamente Ravel fue un genio
Theme 1- 0:00
M.C - 1:10
Transition - 1:24
Theme 2 - 1:36
Dev - 2:35
End of Dev. - 4:00
Recap plus new theme - 5:08
Start of Coda - 6:24
Final Resolution - 7:20
You made a lot of theory kids happy
Junia disse que é bom vi ver
what sonata type would you say this is? Also how would you attempt to analyse the blues section?
King
THANK YOU!!!!!!!!
Liebe Ravel, brillant als eine junge und mann.
Violinist is smart. I can hear from this clever interpretation
I'm forever in love with Ravel Blues 7:57
6:40-7:40 chills at the high G on the violin... every-time...
Musique très subtile, incroyable d'agilité atmosphérique . Merci.
13:42
The first movement reminds me of the 2nd movement of the G major Concerto waaaayyy too much.
3rd movement reminds me of the 3rd movement of his piano concerto too
It is the other way round really. The concerto was composed several years after this sonata.
He uses the minor into major at the climax of the 2nd mvmt :) (Bb-G-Bb-D-G-B, same melodic shape/intervals as well)
And, only had he lived longer!
It doesn't sound anything like it.
I like how they swung the quavers in the second movement
Oof, I don't like it :(
Ravel was very meticulous and specifically wrote out where he wanted the movement to swing - the parts where he writes it straight is to contrast, to balance it out and to make the swing parts swing more
Douwe Ziel I know, I’ve thought that on reflection, and often there’s a contrast where the piano is written to sound swung while the violin plays straight quavers - I guess this is to show the mixing of classical and jazz genres. Still, it’s an interesting interpretation to hear.
@@samuelrobinson205 I agree, and I think the mixture of the two is what makes the movement so damn attractive 😄
It is angular, and defined by a lyrical voice.
Love this piece...wish UA-cam had better audio converters...
Thank you!!
Este no es mi perfil
"Classical musicians don't know any shit about odd rhythms and meters"
Ravel: hold my offbeat accent at 12:08
2nd movement is pure feeling, with an a strong theorical and armonic base.
Who is playing? The auto-generated ads by youtube are often wrong. Thanks!
echoes of "L'enfant du sortilège"
Wrong title
Pedant
L'enfant et les sortilège
Masterpiece. Such beautiful economy of material and structure. Perfect.
11:10 wait what happened here
8:04 daaaammmnn *starts to headbang*
11:10 *jazz music stops* wtf?!
11:37 headbangs more aggressively
Did Ravel took inspiration for his Blues from Schumann’s third movement of his second violin sonata? (7:57)
Schumann’s second violin sonata link: ua-cam.com/video/8EET-eMYlnA/v-deo.html
Go to 17:41 of the Schumann, to compare
Per un solo accordo?
Sounds like it!
Bruh... For 1 g major chord in pizzicato dosnt mean he was inspired by xD
Ravel? Quoting a GERMAN????
las personas que dieron dislaic al video, me imagino que llegaron a él por error, mientras buscaban otra cosa; porque no me imagino qué tipo de persona escribe en el buscador de youtube "Sonata Ravel" o algo semejante y al encontrarse con esto se disgusta. será la interpretación? en lo personal se me hace magnífica, (es un buen momento para usar la palabra) magistral!!!
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Dies Iraeのモチーフ含め、クープランのトンボー（クープランの墓）との関係性を強く感じる節が多々見られます。完璧なカデンツに言葉を失います。
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11:55のピアニストのスウィング素晴らしい！
Anyone else hear his piano trio at 6:31?
Second movement of the piano concerto in G at 4:40, piano concerto for the left hand at 11:00, hints of Gershwin throughout...this piece is an awesome find
Ravel sagte zwar immer, dass er keine Ohrwürmer schreiben wollte. Aber ich pfeife manchmal zum Leidwesen meiner Mitmenschen die schrägsten Ravelmelodien vor mich hin.
Too much not to enjoy?
1:40 Nice use of parallel fifths!
02:36
Who is playing?
The short section starting at 9:25 feels a nostalgic, cute, melancholic and sweet sort of look back at a fond memory of doing something mundane with a person you used to love, I can't get enough of Ravel's genius
the second movement reminded me 'all that jazz' :D. However Ravel did it before!
@@zackl7467 however i meant the musical 'all that jazz" my friend
@@orkunzafer yess its true😂
had no idea ravel wrote a violin sonata, huh.
Same
deux
How does someone analyze a piece like this in order to learn from it?
What kind of analysis are you thinking? A harmonic analysis of this piece is not too difficult - not as difficult as it may seem certainly.
For chords, I - II - V - I type tonal analysis would be less fruitful than classification by sonorities and intervals, (often open 5ths and major 7ths in this work). Themes and motifs should be fairly clear cut, and lead into classification by rhythm. The macro level forms are derived from the classical sonata but are not driven and shaped by functional tonal schemes. ( dechareli.lu/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/Dissertation-Baer-on-Ravel.pdf ) is a Ph.D. thesis containing an analysis at pg. 37 of the manuscript.
I love the politonality that use here Ravel, I can imagine ravel vibing with jazz músic in New York that inspire him to write this. (2nd movement)
Who are the performers?
I came from the book "Ming" of Daniel Odier
10:16, Was that a quote from Gershwin? Quite "Fascinating" lol
Who's performing?
Who plays ?
I d.[sākumposms] līdz 1:38
II d. [Blūzs] 7:55
non mi piace il pianista come interpreta gli accenti... non condivido.
Who are the performers?
5:13 0:01
is this impressionism or expressionism?
halla, jeg og vivvi lurte på det samme as
ravel is an impressionistic composer same with debussy
True answer: Its Ravelianism, nothing quite like it.
Also true answer: Ravel is the last of the Impressionists and the first of the neoclassicists
I don't know if there were ever any true impressionists in music. Both Ravel and Debussy almost always get classified that way, but the more you dive into their music, the more you realize they have absolutely nothing in common with Impressionist artists like Monet. They were basically just getting famous at the same time, so the wider public conflate them together. However, I know that Debussy associated himself a lot more with symbolist writers, and wished to be called a symbolist himself. This never caught on, though. He was also deeply influenced by Japanese art that he was exposed to at the Paris world fair (and I'm sure later too), and you can really hear that influence in his late works such as his piano etudes. Ravel was extremely ecclectic in the sources from where he got inspiration, but he tended to be kind of neoclassical (as someone else pointed out). He was also heavily influenced by the weird and morose literature of the Decadent movement in France. Anyway, this became a really big parragraph before I knew it, but the short answer is that they never saw themselves as impressionist, and they both draw from very different sources and artistic movements.
Old but gold.
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who is playing?
Renaud Capuçon & Franck Braley, at least based on another UA-cam video that sounds exactly the same.
Gorgeous!
1.03
看完海牛影片來報到
3:30
dis som weal fey sheet ! Fey! Music should never be fake jazz. Schonberg and the 2nd Viennese school took their turn into a mostly uncommunicative wilderness and here the well-known perfectionist craftsman writes elegant poop ! No wonder this is never played in concert. Debussy cello Sonata now that's a masterpiece .
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C du bô violon ça mon ami.
The Lennox Berkeley guitar sonatina would seem to owe its impetus to the first movement.
Two musical discourses crisscross this work: an ephemeral lyricism and a Jazz influenced grassroots style. I don't think that the two styles work together. Just my opinion, but just listen to the second movement which makes me cringe.
very funny to read this (with all respect of course)! As this piece is to my years one of the most beautiful, concise and cohesive pieces I have heard! It's very interesting how different people hear the same thing differently/react opposingly. Some works by gershwin makes me cringe much more, I think
The second movement makes me smile, and broadly, to where my cheeks hurt