I can speak firsthand to the adaptation period. I've been exercising for 45 years. Hard. I started off as a wrestler (6 years) then moved into bodybuilding and powerlifting. I've always been very lean and ate a lot of carbs. But as I entered my 50's I became insulin insensitive. My cholesterol was high as was my blood sugar, my endurance was going down, I was foggy, irritable, I had red patches on the skin of my face, I was pale etc. And I was eating a pretty healthy diet. Lots of fruit, grains, veggies and high quality protein and I still felt like shit. I've read plenty of books on nutrition; The China Study, The Paleo Solution, The Paleo Diet for Athletes, The Warrior Diet, Fats that Kill, Fats that Heal, The PH Miracle, The Glycemic Revolution, The Perfect Health Diet, The Paleo Manifesto and many more. But it was reading Mark Sisson's book Primal Endurance where he had a chapter on the Ketogenic diet and athletes being adapted to it and having a much larger energy supply because of fat stores and not going through the ups and downs of a regular glucose diet that piqued my interest. At first it seemed too extreme but I was feeling so bad physically and mentally I knew I had to try something way different. So I did a lot of research here on youtube and I knew what to expect during the adaptation period. A lot of athletes who've switched over quit a few times because they attributed their initial weakness to the diet itself instead of the adaptation period. I can tell you, I felt like crap, I had no energy, I had headaches, constipation, (I know I probably wasn't consuming enough salt but consuming so much fat was enough without adding salt into the mix!) I was dehydrated, my legs were very weak, etc. But knowing what to expect helped me to stick to it and now I feel great. The amazing thing about being in a fat burning state is how much better my concentration and cognitive ability is. I feel less nervous, steady, stronger, leaner, way more alert, no ups and downs anymore, I feel 20 years younger and my skin looks way better. And I don't miss carbs. I allow myself days where I eat plenty of fruit but I don't feel like I'll ever go back to eating grains at all. I lost 10lbs without even trying and my strength and stamina have skyrocketed. But if I hadn't felt so crappy and become insulin insensitive I never would've tried this diet. A lot of resistance to this way of eating is psychological. It is weird to consume so much fat when you've been told and programmed for so long that fat was the enemy and caused so many problems with our health. What I like about Dr. Phinney and Dr. Volek is they are very science based and not ideologically based. They're methodical and they have the data to back it up and there are variations within this diet so there's flexibility.
There are literally thousands of stories like yours. More and more, the science is proving this way of eating superior. But there are still many in the health field that are biased and use bad science to refute it. Time will tell, but proponents of this diet will fight to the bitter end.
Great testimony! I'm a 54yr old male, down 50+ pounds in 12 months, most of it in last 90 days since refining my routine. I required carnivore, OMAD + multi-day fasting to reverse my insulin resistance. Now my gains are startling.
I love the way Phinney and Volek use actual science to turn "common sense" on it's head! They have actually done a study that proves fat improved vascular endothelial function (brachial artery reactivity) in the keto-adapted person. THANK YOU for all of your research!
This video is as "scientific" as the blood type hype diets. They are overly defensive in claiming everyone is different and there's no one type of diet cliches. Why do they seem bent on justifying their aberrant diets? They ignore the fact that real carnivores use gluconeogenesis not ketosis. They tell stories ascot how they believe humans haven't adapted to carb based diets.
@@chrisbranciere9557 a majority of Americans over 45 are diabetic including many of the vegans and vegetarians. A low carb diet ha been proven to reverse diabetes and more successfully combat obesity than any other diet. Epidemiological (diet surveys) prove nothing.
If a person studies human anatomy and physiology at the college level, they will learn that the human body uses both gluconeogenesis and ketosis. The liver does gluconeogenesis to synthesize all the glucose that the body needs. That's needed because the human body has a few kinds of cells (red blood cells, etc.) that can only use glucose as fuel.
This interview is pure and solid gold. Thanks a lot for sharing it with the world for fee. I believe in some years this way of eating is going to be the the one 1st world will all be trying to achieve.
Finally! Thank you for uploading the entire interview! I felt like I was being teased when you guys were merely uploading segments of the interview that were merely 1 to 5 minutes long. I cannot get enough of these two brilliant men dispelling long held dietary myths, and speaking truth to people who want turn their lives around. Thank you so much for doing this.
I'm in Ketosis (2 months) and recently got a blood test to check on my thyroid. I have hypothyroidism. What surprised me is my free T3 and T4 and TSH are now in the middle of the normal range. The way of eating is curing my thyroid. Didn't know it would do that.
+Kassie Eppig I have had several clients report that their thyroid function improved on a low-carbohydrate diet. I do not know the mechanism. However, it could possibly be due to an overall reduction in inflammation as shown by Phinney and Volek's work.
One of the things that change is that due to the absence of insuline or at least a much lower serum level, leptin (produced by the adipose tissue) now gets a better chance at reaching the brain. It has to compete with insuline for the receptors... As leptin reaches the brain, it can regulate the production of TRH better which in turn affects the TSH production. In short: high on fat -> higher production of leptin -> higher TRH -> higher TSH -> more T4 -> higher metabolism. If you have insuline high all the time, leptin doesn't get to your brain so well thus putting your body on a low metabolism. Low metabolism in itself is not bad, except if you have a high insuline it means you are eating carbs a lot which turn into fat. Accumulating fat and low energy consumption at the same time...
Thanks for posting this interview, which I gladly shared. It is really eye-opening and probably the best and most informative piece I have seen on the whole topic. I live in Germany and here most people still have no clue about these findings. But thanks to pioneers like Stephen Phinney, Jeff Volek, Jimmy Moore, Robb Wolf, Art De Vany, Andreas Eenfeldt, Abel James, Mark Sisson, ... and their increasing number of followers, I hope we are slowly seeing more awareness all over the world.
Thank you for a brilliant talk. Ive adopted a keto life style 2 years ago and never looked back. Lost 70lbs and feel better then when i was 20. So nice to simply silence to simple people thank you
I have watched probably hundreds of interviews with Drs. Phinney and Volek, but I have to say this one was one of the best I have seen. I know all this information already, but this was a well-put-together interview, in my opinion. The questions you are asking are great and offer a wonderful opportunity for them to provide the answers. Thank you, Dr. Bourke.
@4:40 I'm one of those people who need to be under 20-25g of carbs per day. But the upside is that I feel terrific on a ketogenic diet with few if any bad symptoms and almost no transition period. By the 3rd day, I felt like working out at lunchtime rather than eating. Try it, you might like it.
Adrienne Toth but these people claim they dont eat a lot of meat, where do they get their fat from (in the wild). If you eat a lot of meat yo wont be in ketosis
KetoBabe im now doing keto 5 days i feel awsome,full of energy but i have doubts about if i dont use a lot of fat.. my breakfast is 3 egs 4 slice of bacon with 1 slice chees. at arroud 1300 i eat meat with 2 slice bacon with egg and greens usaly brocoly.and evenings kinda same. and all is cooked in butter.
KetoBabe hey that is good info thnx a lot.I went from pailo to keto so low carb was no problem for me.i just added a lot of fat en kinda dont know if its too low or not.How do u get more fat in.I just read fat from food and butter/coconut oil added in greens.i wil add extra salt from now on.thnx u ketobabe
+KetoBabe That happened to me too - dizzy spells. I didn't eat much salt before, and cutting out bread made it worse. I added himalayan salt to coconut water , which worked for me. I now have a natural taste for salt - even adding salt to meals for the first time in my life! The body is a marvellous thing....
I like these guys. They're honest. They both obviously have a bias toward ketosis, but when asked what the ideal diet is they essentially say "who the fuck knows, but this is what our data said for these subjects". It's a level of honesty that you generally just don't find in other dietary communities. I mean, look at someone like Michael Greger. He thinks he's god's gift to nutrition, but doesn't know how to interpret scientific data, and as a result he's completely pathological.
BRBwaffles So true these guys give a range of 15grams of carbs for reall resistant peeps to 150 for those with good insulin sensitivity. Also when asked on another program, what he (Phinney) thought of the McDougal diet, he said there is probably 10% of people who respond well to that diet, but he believes that well formulated ketogenic diet is probably good for 66% of the population, he also said, no single diet is the answer for everyone. These guys are not as one eyed as the Plant based peeps. ..... in my opinion.
Thank you for the fabulous information! It gives me moral support and a few new ideas for the treatment of my diabetes patients. It is incredible how the official guide lines hang after.
What a brilliant interview! I'm curious as to the year this was made? So many questions answered and confirmed. Such science needs to become mainstream. I hope I see that day and I thank you for your humanitarian efforts, for that is what it is.
Fantastic interview and information. I've been happily Keto for 7 months, but have worried about the blood cholesterol levels. I've done a lot of consumer research, and this is the best I've found for actually clarifying how the body chooses its primary choice of fuel in the SAD diet and the Keto diet. Thanks for this!
4:40 this is so important but went in one ear and out the other ear for me for years.I have come to understand that I am severely insulin resistant and need the really low 25gms per day MAX to succeed at this way of eating.
Deal Wolfstriked dear, how do you know you need under 25g of carbs to get into nutritional Ketosis? Does the Ketone reading show? I'm so confuse right now, my Ketone shows 2.1-2.4 and post exercise is 4.4. So does that mean I'm in nutritional Ketosis? I'm taking below total carbs of 40g, net carbs usually below 17g. Also how do you get enough fiber if you only taking less than 25g of total carbs? Thanks!
David Knigge Yes! I see it clearly now after over a year lol so I went on and keep eating Keto for 7 months...all my lab results came back perfect, well little high on cholesterol but I am not concern it was just 1 point higher and I gain so much benefit by lower my LDL and raise my HDL. I lost 80 lbs and 3 sizes...my blood sugar is all in the normal range now. I got off Keto for 4 months still eating lower carb around 90 g and it was not working for me which didn’t surprise me...I am insulin resistance and it all make sense now how I got diagnosed type 2 diabetes at age of 31. East Asian tends to eat lots of rice, noodle, buns...you name it we eat it. Food pyramid is definitely making it worst for me personally...I am so happy to trust and learn about Keto, it literally save my life, so thankful! Also, I am going into carnivore diet now, just bought me some grass-fed rib-eyes! Ready to continue. When there’s a will there’s a way! I’m so done with being sick and tired all the time and counting calories and it was still not working. And my skin problems got so much better!! During transition I lost a lot of hair but they grow back better. This red pill definitely wake me up... :-) I was so wrong on my nutrition knowledge...wish I knew it earlier. I tested myself, as soon as I eat carbs, specifically sugar and crap like cookies, my allergies come right back...my headache also comes, mood swing, dry skin, and everything on the list...I am just glad to find what I should be eating...finally.
How is it scientific as the confused speakers seem to think ketosis is a normal state? There is no keto adaption. Herbivores go into ketosis easier than carnivores, who use gluconeogenesis, not ketosis.
Love theses guys...feels great to stay lean year-round with out having to diet for a natural bodybuilding show. Their book is my Bible when it comes to all around nutrition.
+Steve Pickering thats awesome to read.Right now I am still adapting as just the thought of exercise tires me.But its getting better daily and its only been two weeks,though I have been keto adapted in past and felt amazing.
At 21: 22 Steve earlier said that saturated fats become our body's preferred choice of fuel, then he says we should prefer mono unsaturates, then a little bit of saturates, I don' understand that.
Oh, I know we change. When I was a kid, my body used carbs like fire, it just burned through them. Now that I'm older, I actually crave meats that I never craved growing up. In fact, I rarely craved meat growing up, but now as an adult, I actually find myself less attracted to sugar, more attracted to vegetables, fruits, and way more meat than I ever craved before. I think my body has switched from an efficient use of carbs for energy to a less efficient use of carbs and more use of meats.
Love the bit about low carb diet leading to decreased fat in blood levels. Simply put, carbs displace fat oxidation. Dropping carbs allowed fat to be burned preferentially. Our modern for environment is the reason we can't access fat for fuel - carbs are constantly displacing fat! Fascinating!
Why does Sean Bourke say that "half the brain's energy can be met by ketones"? My friend and colleague, Misha Sakharoff (Google him) is on a zero-carb ketogenic diet (to feel for himself what he encourages cancer sufferers to do) with absolutely no detrimental effects. In fact, I would say he is mentally extremely sharp.
+Steve Pickering the brain still needs a bit of glucose to function properly.The body turns some of the protein intake into glucose to fullfill the brains needs.Phinney,in another video stated that when you go into full blown starvation the body will break down about 4oz per day of ones lean muscle tissue to create the sugar needed.
He is fantastically knowledgeable, but when he starts talking about oils, he is missing a very important point and that is, which oils have a high amount of Omega six. Omega six is a cause of inflammation in the body.
QUESTION: Though excess protein can result in elevated blood glucose via gluconeogenesis (we all know numerous studies show this), does this elevated blood glucose necessarily result in fat storage and "kick you out of ketosis" especially in the absence of glycogen stores in the liver and skeletal muscles? The Bray 2012 study refutes this "excess protein equals fat storage" generalization unequivocally EVEN IN THE PRESENCE OF DIETARY CARBS. (Also my own experience with eating mostly just high protein, moderate fat, and zero/low carb has resulted in significant fat loss.) My hypotheses are either (i) excess protein counteracts catabolism since amino acids enter glycolysis eventually turning into pyruvate then aceytyl CoA so that it can enter the TCA cycle and then release ATP (ie energy) and/or (ii) there is no metabolic pathway at least that I know of (as with excess glucose in the presence of insulin) for amino acids to be converted into triglycerides. (And yes, I am aware that deamination and transamination of amino acids can but doesn't necessarily always result in conversion to lipids since glucose not just lipids can also be created and even so, it is only from the non-nitrogenous parts of the molecules.
Thanks for the information. Since writing that I have found some good nutrition sites on the net to help out also. Are you on the ketogenic diet? If so, why?
I already have the book and it was most helpful. I am about 3 months into my diet and as I go along I find myself eliminating more of my prior addictions, namely fruit and I almost have an aversion to bread which surprises me since that was my other craving. Sinister these addictions!! My first thing in the morning drink is distilled water about a quart, dash of stevia and 3-4 tablespoons of organic coconut oil, cinnamon then heat and sip all morning (my mornings are like from 2-6 am.) My other new addiction is some heavy cream, lots, poured over a few strawberries, maybe walnuts, stevia again (love that stuff!) and of course my wonderful coconut oil, cinnamon. Cool, and enjoy for a few hours of slow digestion on an empty stomach and between meals. No more energy spikes, no more crazy cravings, and a full sense of control over my diet and metabolism. I recommend coffee enemas for people starting this diet and indeed beyond. The fat stimulates the bile discharge into duodenum and the CM stimulates the liver to open up and release bile. The toxins leave with the bile therefore a lot of these reactions to beginning this diet may be ameliorated.
I live close to Phinny Ridge in Seattle. I've often been asked; are you Stephen Rasmussen? Odd, as I think I look like a girl...Heard the name Steve Phinney mentioned in some 'news' but somehow I don't think you're the Phinney spoken of, good to learn of diet tips though, thank you!
Shane Houston I will pull up the research for you guys, but YES, a Ketogenic diet IMPROVES telomere health and helps prevent shortening. This is some of THE MOST provocative effects of proper Keto Adaptation.
I would suggest that you watch a few videos with Dr Rhonda Patrick. This is right in her area of expertise! Her interviews with Joe Rogan are excellent!
I have a question. I am keto adapted and check my blood with a meter and it sometimes reads up to 4.2 ketones but my blood sugar is at around 70. I don't have diabetes and I feel fine but I see online that that is a dangerously high level of ketones. I'm in my 50's and a super active full time drummer and act and feel like I'm 20 something. Any advice? I can't find answers online without a diabetes angle. Should I do something about high levels even if I feel great?
+Phil Cimino I read that ketones rising high means you should eat a bit more.Makes sense since a little more protein and fat will increase insulin and hence lower ketone output.
I loosed 24 kg in 16 we3ks and stil keep myself smal and almost the same weight thanks to Lchf liberal diet/ lifestyle. Got healthier in every single way. Any lcd and weight watchers helped med as much
To all the naysayers, I don't think there is one diet that fits everyone. It all depends on your physiology, genetics, and goals. This may work for some, but not necessarily for all. It's worth listening to and you'll probably learn something even though it might not work for you.
+saladlamp Well, the standard (American) diet that the US, European and now the Indian, Middle East and Chinese population eats clearly does not "fit" them. 400 million plus diabetes sufferers and 1.6 billion overweight people!
Phinney said this can work for everyone, but some people (about 10%) can eat a ton of carbs and retain good health. just adjust your carbs and fat ratio to suit your metabolism. HFLC, is really good for metabolically challenged people.
The intolerant/tolerant terms are confusing because he's using carb intolerant to mean that your body uses carbs more efficiently to gain weight and carb tolerant to mean that your body uses carbs less efficiently to gain weight. Intuitively, it seems to me that those two terms should be reversed, but then maybe he's basing it on the insulin tolerance/intolerance concepts as those with such issues do tend to gain weight more with carbs than not.
It keeps persisting because there's a very large, very rich, very powerful animal rights interest community that benefits from people believing that carbohydrates are absolutely necessary, that they're the single most important nutrient the body needs. To that end, they have managed to dominate the nutrition education from grade school all the way through higher education. Most of the popular opinions that refuse to allow opposing views a fair say are because of political interests.
I love all the vegies involved in healthy eating , but in juice form , i prefer to eat meat and good fat , can you advise if the veg juices can be incorporated into a keto lifestyle , any response would be welcome , a big thank you , tom
There are different kinds of macular degeneration. Age Related Macular Degeneration is probably what you're thinking of. But there are others forms. Usually inherited. Young women, in particular, are prone to Idiopathic MD. There's evidence indicating that myopia is a risk factor for Wet MD in young women. That said, LCHF has shown itself to be slightly less ineffective than LFHC. In general, most diets fail. They're equally ineffective for the insulin sensitive. LCHF is better for insensitives.
but all this talk about how good saturated fat is and now he is saying it shouldn't be our dominate fat intake? This is the first I've heard of it. How much olive oil can you eat? Of course you are going to easily eat more saturated fat than mono fat.
But how to get that much fat in if u eat 3 times a day.i cook in butter i eat meat witj eggs snd bacon.some chees and greens.how to do it better for keto
I use olive oil or mix bleu cheese with olive oil for dressing on my greens. I also saute spinach, onions, garlic, and peppers in coconut oil and make an omelette out of it. When I eat blueberries, my main fruit, I eat them in heavy cream. The cream helps slow the absorption of the carbs. I also put butter and coconut oil in my first cup of coffee of the day. Some people eat the coconut oil straight, but I didn't like that. It works good for cooking and adding to other foods. BTW, I only eat 2 meals a day for 6 days and fast one day. Very seldom do I get hungry. When I was trying the low fat, high carb diet my Dr and dietitian recommended, I was always starved.
i think the key item in a keto nutrition is BUTTER (might as well be coconutoil or whaterver you like best) I use butter in every meal and i eat 5 times per day, sometimes 6. I would recommend to eat about 20 grams of protein per meal. My meals look like: 60g swisscheese with 15g of butter or 100g Salmon with 30g of butter or 60g Salami with 15g of Butter or broth with 200g of broccoli and sausage and 20g of butter in it, or steak with 400g spinach in like 40g of butter or the classical eggs with sausage plus 20g of butter, or 50g of the fattiest bacon i can find (needs no butter) or 3 eggs with spinach plus the butter Salad with plenty of oliveoil and mayonese with sausage and cheese Often 3 of my daily meals are swisscheese with butter. It's very convenient during work, don't even need to stop working. This is what i can come up with after 14 months into ketosis. End of the day i net about 100 to 120g of protein and 100g of butter.
Amine Dassouki swiss cheese has about 40% fat, not very much indeed, thats why i add butter to it and eat it like a sandwich. I read somewhere that swiss cheese has the most amount of B12 vitamine. And also i am swiss so i am kinda obligated to it ;D .. I will try muenster though, din't know that one KetoBabe thanks for sharing yours too ;)
Thadeka Deka I dont eat big meals during the day because it would drop my ketonlevel dramaticly for hours. At work i like a high ketonlevel of around 1 or higher. While measuring my blood over a period of time, i found that i respond very quickly to protein. If i eat more then say 20 or 25g of protein in one meal, my ketonlevel drops. 4 eggs with sausage and my ketonlevel drops from 1.6 to 0.5 within an hour. Typically i eat those kind of meals in the evening.
Just admit it doc, you can't say what fats you recommend without getting yourself in trouble. You can't say butter, lard, and tallow. But why do you keep plugging canola oil?
My wife is Asian. Very sweet fruit was available to Asians for centuries. I think she can eat carbs and stay thin due to her innate ability to tolerate carbs. I can't eat fruit, rice, or noodles and drop weight or have good blood work levels, however.
he is talking about high oleic canola oil High oleic oil is any oil that is high in monounsaturated fats. Olive and canola oil are naturally high in monounsaturated fat, but they are also high in polyunsaturated fats which mean they are not very shelf-stable. In recent years, scientists have developed sunflower (and other) oils that are bred to be high in monounsaturated fats and low in polyunsaturated fats so they can be used in products that need to be shelf-stable.
Seriously, but you seem to not have a single clue of what you're talking about. Wild speculation about face expressions and outrageous accusations are not very much against a life devoted to science and research.
+lilian hamdan jacque fresco videos should be on your list next to watch. they will explain your use of profanity and the way you lash out. you are being trained by the monetary system to keep people sick to ensure the monetary system survives. i am living proof of what is spoken about in the video to an extreme. ive been living a keto adapted state for 2.5 years with the last 3 months of absolutely no sugar ingested and i have never felt better. im down 55 pounds in total and have another 20 to go with i will attain by butting out dairy til i reach my desired weight of 185. both my sisters and sister inlaw are nurse practitioners and everyone in their immediate family has gotten cancer. remove sugar from your diet and watch the medical profession be the highest rated for debt collecting when they cant make their payments on their mecedes. atkins was the man. (you got roasted here btw. havnt seen a roast like this in a long time)
Love theses guys...feels great to stay lean year-round with out having to diet for a natural bodybuilding show. Their book is my Bible when it comes to all around nutrition.
yup me too :) but it's weird they never mentioned growth hormone. many threads i've found said: this diet increases this hormone. something else they never said what'll happen if stored fat went zero,how can a person gets his power ? i'm talking about 0% of stored fat for a person who is participating in a long marathon ? does he get to a coma or something like this. ( maybe Steve can help us with this)
I can speak firsthand to the adaptation period. I've been exercising for 45 years. Hard. I started off as a wrestler (6 years) then moved into bodybuilding and powerlifting. I've always been very lean and ate a lot of carbs. But as I entered my 50's I became insulin insensitive. My cholesterol was high as was my blood sugar, my endurance was going down, I was foggy, irritable, I had red patches on the skin of my face, I was pale etc. And I was eating a pretty healthy diet. Lots of fruit, grains, veggies and high quality protein and I still felt like shit. I've read plenty of books on nutrition; The China Study, The Paleo Solution, The Paleo Diet for Athletes, The Warrior Diet, Fats that Kill, Fats that Heal, The PH Miracle, The Glycemic Revolution, The Perfect Health Diet, The Paleo Manifesto and many more. But it was reading Mark Sisson's book Primal Endurance where he had a chapter on the Ketogenic diet and athletes being adapted to it and having a much larger energy supply because of fat stores and not going through the ups and downs of a regular glucose diet that piqued my interest. At first it seemed too extreme but I was feeling so bad physically and mentally I knew I had to try something way different. So I did a lot of research here on youtube and I knew what to expect during the adaptation period. A lot of athletes who've switched over quit a few times because they attributed their initial weakness to the diet itself instead of the adaptation period. I can tell you, I felt like crap, I had no energy, I had headaches, constipation, (I know I probably wasn't consuming enough salt but consuming so much fat was enough without adding salt into the mix!) I was dehydrated, my legs were very weak, etc. But knowing what to expect helped me to stick to it and now I feel great. The amazing thing about being in a fat burning state is how much better my concentration and cognitive ability is. I feel less nervous, steady, stronger, leaner, way more alert, no ups and downs anymore, I feel 20 years younger and my skin looks way better. And I don't miss carbs. I allow myself days where I eat plenty of fruit but I don't feel like I'll ever go back to eating grains at all. I lost 10lbs without even trying and my strength and stamina have skyrocketed. But if I hadn't felt so crappy and become insulin insensitive I never would've tried this diet. A lot of resistance to this way of eating is psychological. It is weird to consume so much fat when you've been told and programmed for so long that fat was the enemy and caused so many problems with our health. What I like about Dr. Phinney and Dr. Volek is they are very science based and not ideologically based. They're methodical and they have the data to back it up and there are variations within this diet so there's flexibility.
There are literally thousands of stories like yours. More and more, the science is proving this way of eating superior. But there are still many in the health field that are biased and use bad science to refute it. Time will tell, but proponents of this diet will fight to the bitter end.
Very well said buddy, I agree 58 old male from Co. Donegal.
Great testimony! I'm a 54yr old male, down 50+ pounds in 12 months, most of it in last 90 days since refining my routine. I required carnivore, OMAD + multi-day fasting to reverse my insulin resistance. Now my gains are startling.
I love the way Phinney and Volek use actual science to turn "common sense" on it's head! They have actually done a study that proves fat improved vascular endothelial function (brachial artery reactivity) in the keto-adapted person. THANK YOU for all of your research!
This video is as "scientific" as the blood type hype diets. They are overly defensive in claiming everyone is different and there's no one type of diet cliches. Why do they seem bent on justifying their aberrant diets? They ignore the fact that real carnivores use gluconeogenesis not ketosis. They tell stories ascot how they believe humans haven't adapted to carb based diets.
@@chrisbranciere9557 a majority of Americans over 45 are diabetic including many of the vegans and vegetarians. A low carb diet ha been proven to reverse diabetes and more successfully combat obesity than any other diet. Epidemiological (diet surveys) prove nothing.
If a person studies human anatomy and physiology at the college level, they will learn that the human body uses both gluconeogenesis and ketosis.
The liver does gluconeogenesis to synthesize all the glucose that the body needs. That's needed because the human body has a few kinds of cells (red blood cells, etc.) that can only use glucose as fuel.
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Excellent comment.
This interview is pure and solid gold. Thanks a lot for sharing it with the world for fee. I believe in some years this way of eating is going to be the the one 1st world will all be trying to achieve.
Finally! Thank you for uploading the entire interview! I felt like I was being teased when you guys were merely uploading segments of the interview that were merely 1 to 5 minutes long. I cannot get enough of these two brilliant men dispelling long held dietary myths, and speaking truth to people who want turn their lives around. Thank you so much for doing this.
I'm in Ketosis (2 months) and recently got a blood test to check on my thyroid. I have hypothyroidism. What surprised me is my free T3 and T4 and TSH are now in the middle of the normal range. The way of eating is curing my thyroid. Didn't know it would do that.
+Kassie Eppig I have had several clients report that their thyroid function improved on a low-carbohydrate diet. I do not know the mechanism. However, it could possibly be due to an overall reduction in inflammation as shown by Phinney and Volek's work.
One of the things that change is that due to the absence of insuline or at least a much lower serum level, leptin (produced by the adipose tissue) now gets a better chance at reaching the brain. It has to compete with insuline for the receptors... As leptin reaches the brain, it can regulate the production of TRH better which in turn affects the TSH production. In short: high on fat -> higher production of leptin -> higher TRH -> higher TSH -> more T4 -> higher metabolism. If you have insuline high all the time, leptin doesn't get to your brain so well thus putting your body on a low metabolism. Low metabolism in itself is not bad, except if you have a high insuline it means you are eating carbs a lot which turn into fat. Accumulating fat and low energy consumption at the same time...
@@Bungifun Leptin will reach the brain better in a ketogenic state.
Thanks for posting this interview, which I gladly shared. It is really eye-opening and probably the best and most informative piece I have seen on the whole topic. I live in Germany and here most people still have no clue about these findings. But thanks to pioneers like Stephen Phinney, Jeff Volek, Jimmy Moore, Robb Wolf, Art De Vany, Andreas Eenfeldt, Abel James, Mark Sisson, ... and their increasing number of followers, I hope we are slowly seeing more awareness all over the world.
Thank you for a brilliant talk. Ive adopted a keto life style 2 years ago and never looked back. Lost 70lbs and feel better then when i was 20. So nice to simply silence to simple people thank you
I have watched probably hundreds of interviews with Drs. Phinney and Volek, but I have to say this one was one of the best I have seen. I know all this information already, but this was a well-put-together interview, in my opinion. The questions you are asking are great and offer a wonderful opportunity for them to provide the answers. Thank you, Dr. Bourke.
On keto diet for 3 lazy months no exercise lost 10kg another 15kg to go
Listening to them improved my quality of life
@4:40 I'm one of those people who need to be under 20-25g of carbs per day. But the upside is that I feel terrific on a ketogenic diet with few if any bad symptoms and almost no transition period. By the 3rd day, I felt like working out at lunchtime rather than eating. Try it, you might like it.
So much good things to learn from these two doctors. And great questions by Sean.
Thanks for the video.
Makes so much sense. V grateful for the opportunity to hear from these two gentlemen.
There is no question in my mind that dietary ketosis is the default state for humans. Without a doubt it could benefit most people.
Adrienne Toth yep, but only in times of famine
Goog Commenter Or times when there was a shortage of plant foods, which would have been most year around.
depends where you lived, I suppose
Goog Commenter I suppose to a certain extent. It is very difficult to find edible plant foods in the wild. Perhaps in the tropics...
Adrienne Toth
but these people claim they dont eat a lot of meat, where do they get their fat from (in the wild). If you eat a lot of meat yo wont be in ketosis
even the demeanor of these men is uncommon and impressive - i'm gonna have to try it
KetoBabe im now doing keto 5 days i feel awsome,full of energy but i have doubts about if i dont use a lot of fat..
my breakfast is 3 egs 4 slice of bacon with 1 slice chees. at arroud 1300 i eat meat with 2 slice bacon with egg and greens usaly brocoly.and evenings kinda same. and all is cooked in butter.
KetoBabe
hey that is good info thnx a lot.I went from pailo to keto so low carb was no problem for me.i just added a lot of fat en kinda dont know if its too low or not.How do u get more fat in.I just read fat from food and butter/coconut oil added in greens.i wil add extra salt from now on.thnx u ketobabe
+KetoBabe That happened to me too - dizzy spells. I didn't eat much salt before, and cutting out bread made it worse. I added himalayan salt to coconut water , which worked for me. I now have a natural taste for salt - even adding salt to meals for the first time in my life! The body is a marvellous thing....
They're calm cause they are rocking ketosis!
Amazing interview. So comprehensive and informative!
This is the best explanation about the inner workings and the benefits of a ketogenic diet I've seen. Thank you so much for sharing it :)
I like these guys. They're honest. They both obviously have a bias toward ketosis, but when asked what the ideal diet is they essentially say "who the fuck knows, but this is what our data said for these subjects". It's a level of honesty that you generally just don't find in other dietary communities. I mean, look at someone like Michael Greger. He thinks he's god's gift to nutrition, but doesn't know how to interpret scientific data, and as a result he's completely pathological.
And biased by his ideologies. No room for that in science. Speaking of Greger.
BRBwaffles So true these guys give a range of 15grams of carbs for reall resistant peeps to 150 for those with good insulin sensitivity. Also when asked on another program, what he (Phinney) thought of the McDougal diet, he said there is probably 10% of people who respond well to that diet, but he believes that well formulated ketogenic diet is probably good for 66% of the population, he also said, no single diet is the answer for everyone. These guys are not as one eyed as the Plant based peeps. ..... in my opinion.
Thank you for the fabulous information! It gives me moral support and a few new ideas for the treatment of my diabetes patients. It is incredible how the official guide lines hang after.
Thanks for your post Michael - we think this is critical information to be shared as well! thanks for spreading the knowledge in Germany!
What a brilliant interview! I'm curious as to the year this was made? So many questions answered and confirmed. Such science needs to become mainstream. I hope I see that day and I thank you for your humanitarian efforts, for that is what it is.
Fantastic interview and information. I've been happily Keto for 7 months, but have worried about the blood cholesterol levels. I've done a lot of consumer research, and this is the best I've found for actually clarifying how the body chooses its primary choice of fuel in the SAD diet and the Keto diet. Thanks for this!
4:40 this is so important but went in one ear and out the other ear for me for years.I have come to understand that I am severely insulin resistant and need the really low 25gms per day MAX to succeed at this way of eating.
Deal Wolfstriked dear, how do you know you need under 25g of carbs to get into nutritional Ketosis? Does the Ketone reading show? I'm so confuse right now, my Ketone shows 2.1-2.4 and post exercise is 4.4. So does that mean I'm in nutritional Ketosis? I'm taking below total carbs of 40g, net carbs usually below 17g. Also how do you get enough fiber if you only taking less than 25g of total carbs? Thanks!
@@geelee2964 apparently you are in ketosis with those readings. Regarding fiber, it really isn't that critical to good health.
David Knigge Yes! I see it clearly now after over a year lol so I went on and keep eating Keto for 7 months...all my lab results came back perfect, well little high on cholesterol but I am not concern it was just 1 point higher and I gain so much benefit by lower my LDL and raise my HDL. I lost 80 lbs and 3 sizes...my blood sugar is all in the normal range now. I got off Keto for 4 months still eating lower carb around 90 g and it was not working for me which didn’t surprise me...I am insulin resistance and it all make sense now how I got diagnosed type 2 diabetes at age of 31. East Asian tends to eat lots of rice, noodle, buns...you name it we eat it. Food pyramid is definitely making it worst for me personally...I am so happy to trust and learn about Keto, it literally save my life, so thankful! Also, I am going into carnivore diet now, just bought me some grass-fed rib-eyes! Ready to continue. When there’s a will there’s a way! I’m so done with being sick and tired all the time and counting calories and it was still not working. And my skin problems got so much better!! During transition I lost a lot of hair but they grow back better. This red pill definitely wake me up... :-) I was so wrong on my nutrition knowledge...wish I knew it earlier. I tested myself, as soon as I eat carbs, specifically sugar and crap like cookies, my allergies come right back...my headache also comes, mood swing, dry skin, and everything on the list...I am just glad to find what I should be eating...finally.
@@geelee2964 that is so good to hear. Thank you for your update.
excellent presentation backed by good science. It confirms my own clinical experience
How is it scientific as the confused speakers seem to think ketosis is a normal state? There is no keto adaption. Herbivores go into ketosis easier than carnivores, who use gluconeogenesis, not ketosis.
@@chrisbranciere9557 you sound like you are a vegetarian/vegan driven more by ideology than good judgement.
Love theses guys...feels great to stay lean year-round with out having to diet for a natural bodybuilding show. Their book is my Bible when it comes to all around nutrition.
This is great great information! I disconnected when Jeff pronounced "Alzheimers " "allTimerz"
Thank you John! Thrilled you found if helpful.
All I know is I feel ten thousand time better on this lifestyle of eating.
+Ken Snyder Me too! Just done 2000 meters of swimming after fasting (on a low carb diet) for 16 hours. So much energy.
+Steve Pickering thats awesome to read.Right now I am still adapting as just the thought of exercise tires me.But its getting better daily and its only been two weeks,though I have been keto adapted in past and felt amazing.
Yes, that is the result ... need to avoid insulin resistance ...
70 Going On 100
Can't ever go back to glucose based metabolism - the swings in mood, appetite and so many other symptoms are mind boggling. Fat for fuel as primary!
At 21: 22 Steve earlier said that saturated fats become our body's preferred choice of fuel, then he says we should prefer mono unsaturates, then a little bit of saturates, I don' understand that.
OUTSTANDING, thank you all. Question: when stored fat cells are burned, is glucose released into the bloodstream as is the case with cholesterol?
Lawrence Ross
glucose is stored as fat so no glucose released when burning body fat.
Oh, I know we change. When I was a kid, my body used carbs like fire, it just burned through them. Now that I'm older, I actually crave meats that I never craved growing up. In fact, I rarely craved meat growing up, but now as an adult, I actually find myself less attracted to sugar, more attracted to vegetables, fruits, and way more meat than I ever craved before.
I think my body has switched from an efficient use of carbs for energy to a less efficient use of carbs and more use of meats.
very informative talk.
Love the bit about low carb diet leading to decreased fat in blood levels. Simply put, carbs displace fat oxidation. Dropping carbs allowed fat to be burned preferentially. Our modern for environment is the reason we can't access fat for fuel - carbs are constantly displacing fat! Fascinating!
Than you so much , may I know what blood tests indicate Lipogenesis bio markers? Liver test ? Apart from that ?
Very good interview, thanks.
Jeff Volek is so chill
Canola oil is good? I don't think so!
No, is not. Too much omega 6 in it.
Why does Sean Bourke say that "half the brain's energy can be met by ketones"? My friend and colleague, Misha Sakharoff (Google him) is on a zero-carb ketogenic diet (to feel for himself what he encourages cancer sufferers to do) with absolutely no detrimental effects. In fact, I would say he is mentally extremely sharp.
+Steve Pickering the brain still needs a bit of glucose to function properly.The body turns some of the protein intake into glucose to fullfill the brains needs.Phinney,in another video stated that when you go into full blown starvation the body will break down about 4oz per day of ones lean muscle tissue to create the sugar needed.
He is fantastically knowledgeable, but when he starts talking about oils, he is missing a very important point and that is, which oils have a high amount of Omega six. Omega six is a cause of inflammation in the body.
QUESTION: Though excess protein can result in elevated blood glucose via gluconeogenesis (we all know numerous studies show this), does this elevated blood glucose necessarily result in fat storage and "kick you out of ketosis" especially in the absence of glycogen stores in the liver and skeletal muscles?
The Bray 2012 study refutes this "excess protein equals fat storage" generalization unequivocally EVEN IN THE PRESENCE OF DIETARY CARBS. (Also my own experience with eating mostly just high protein, moderate fat, and zero/low carb has resulted in significant fat loss.)
My hypotheses are either (i) excess protein counteracts catabolism since amino acids enter glycolysis eventually turning into pyruvate then aceytyl CoA so that it can enter the TCA cycle and then release ATP (ie energy) and/or (ii) there is no metabolic pathway at least that I know of (as with excess glucose in the presence of insulin) for amino acids to be converted into triglycerides. (And yes, I am aware that deamination and transamination of amino acids can but doesn't necessarily always result in conversion to lipids since glucose not just lipids can also be created and even so, it is only from the non-nitrogenous parts of the molecules.
Can you tell me Dr. the best method of counting the carbs? I can't get a feel for 50 grams.
Thanks for the information. Since writing that I have found some good nutrition sites on the net to help out also. Are you on the ketogenic diet? If so, why?
I already have the book and it was most helpful. I am about 3 months into my diet and as I go along I find myself eliminating more of my prior addictions, namely fruit and I almost have an aversion to bread which surprises me since that was my other craving. Sinister these addictions!! My first thing in the morning drink is distilled water about a quart, dash of stevia and 3-4 tablespoons of organic coconut oil, cinnamon then heat and sip all morning (my mornings are like from 2-6 am.) My other new addiction is some heavy cream, lots, poured over a few strawberries, maybe walnuts, stevia again (love that stuff!) and of course my wonderful coconut oil, cinnamon. Cool, and enjoy for a few hours of slow digestion on an empty stomach and between meals. No more energy spikes, no more crazy cravings, and a full sense of control over my diet and metabolism. I recommend coffee enemas for people starting this diet and indeed beyond. The fat stimulates the bile discharge into duodenum and the CM stimulates the liver to open up and release bile. The toxins leave with the bile therefore a lot of these reactions to beginning this diet may be ameliorated.
Good questions👍👍👍
I live close to Phinny Ridge in Seattle. I've often been asked; are you Stephen Rasmussen? Odd, as I think I look like a girl...Heard the name Steve Phinney mentioned in some 'news' but somehow I don't think you're the Phinney spoken of, good to learn of diet tips though, thank you!
+1 for solid arguments
It would be interesting to find out how strength athletes perform on keto.
I don’t know about strength athletes, but I do know that Tim Tebow eats keto.
Is there any research, positive or negitive on telomeres in the body being on a ketogenic diet ?
Thats a good question, I would also like to hear a response to this.
Shane Houston I will pull up the research for you guys, but YES, a Ketogenic diet IMPROVES telomere health and helps prevent shortening. This is some of THE MOST provocative effects of proper Keto Adaptation.
I would suggest that you watch a few videos with Dr Rhonda Patrick. This is right in her area of expertise! Her interviews with Joe Rogan are excellent!
You said kidneys dump salt on ketosis - that mean we should intake salt then?
Love these guys, I wish everyone knew this evidence,
I have a question. I am keto adapted and check my blood with a meter and it sometimes reads up to 4.2 ketones but my blood sugar is at around 70. I don't have diabetes and I feel fine but I see online that that is a dangerously high level of ketones. I'm in my 50's and a super active full time drummer and act and feel like I'm 20 something. Any advice? I can't find answers online without a diabetes angle. Should I do something about high levels even if I feel great?
+Phil Cimino 4.2 is within the range for nutritional ketosis. I believe between 2-5 is optimal.
+Rmartin689 Thank You!
+Phil Cimino I would have thought your blood ketone/glucose ratio was a more relevant guage, but I am not a doctor.
+Phil Cimino I read that ketones rising high means you should eat a bit more.Makes sense since a little more protein and fat will increase insulin and hence lower ketone output.
Ah, just viewed the date!
This was recorded very recently - 2012.
Urge you to notice your energy level about 1 hour post a high-carb meal as well.
I loosed 24 kg in 16 we3ks and stil keep myself smal and almost the same weight thanks to Lchf liberal diet/ lifestyle.
Got healthier in every single way.
Any lcd and weight watchers helped med as much
To all the naysayers, I don't think there is one diet that fits everyone. It all depends on your physiology, genetics, and goals. This may work for some, but not necessarily for all. It's worth listening to and you'll probably learn something even though it might not work for you.
+saladlamp Well, the standard (American) diet that the US, European and now the Indian, Middle East and Chinese population eats clearly does not "fit" them. 400 million plus diabetes sufferers and 1.6 billion overweight people!
Phinney said this can work for everyone, but some people (about 10%) can eat a ton of carbs and retain good health. just adjust your carbs and fat ratio to suit your metabolism. HFLC, is really good for metabolically challenged people.
Sorry for the delay!
The intolerant/tolerant terms are confusing because he's using carb intolerant to mean that your body uses carbs more efficiently to gain weight and carb tolerant to mean that your body uses carbs less efficiently to gain weight. Intuitively, it seems to me that those two terms should be reversed, but then maybe he's basing it on the insulin tolerance/intolerance concepts as those with such issues do tend to gain weight more with carbs than not.
It keeps persisting because there's a very large, very rich, very powerful animal rights interest community that benefits from people believing that carbohydrates are absolutely necessary, that they're the single most important nutrient the body needs. To that end, they have managed to dominate the nutrition education from grade school all the way through higher education.
Most of the popular opinions that refuse to allow opposing views a fair say are because of political interests.
I love all the vegies involved in healthy eating , but in juice form , i prefer to eat meat and good fat , can you advise if the veg juices can be incorporated into a keto lifestyle , any response would be welcome , a big thank you , tom
There are different kinds of macular degeneration. Age Related Macular Degeneration is probably what you're thinking of. But there are others forms. Usually inherited. Young women, in particular, are prone to Idiopathic MD. There's evidence indicating that myopia is a risk factor for Wet MD in young women.
That said, LCHF has shown itself to be slightly less ineffective than LFHC. In general, most diets fail. They're equally ineffective for the insulin sensitive. LCHF is better for insensitives.
but all this talk about how good saturated fat is and now he is saying it shouldn't be our dominate fat intake? This is the first I've heard of it. How much olive oil can you eat? Of course you are going to easily eat more saturated fat than mono fat.
But how to get that much fat in if u eat 3 times a day.i cook in butter i eat meat witj eggs snd bacon.some chees and greens.how to do it better for keto
I use olive oil or mix bleu cheese with olive oil for dressing on my greens. I also saute spinach, onions, garlic, and peppers in coconut oil and make an omelette out of it. When I eat blueberries, my main fruit, I eat them in heavy cream. The cream helps slow the absorption of the carbs. I also put butter and coconut oil in my first cup of coffee of the day. Some people eat the coconut oil straight, but I didn't like that. It works good for cooking and adding to other foods. BTW, I only eat 2 meals a day for 6 days and fast one day. Very seldom do I get hungry. When I was trying the low fat, high carb diet my Dr and dietitian recommended, I was always starved.
i think the key item in a keto nutrition is BUTTER (might as well be coconutoil or whaterver you like best)
I use butter in every meal and i eat 5 times per day, sometimes 6. I would recommend to eat about 20 grams of protein per meal. My meals look like:
60g swisscheese with 15g of butter or
100g Salmon with 30g of butter or
60g Salami with 15g of Butter or
broth with 200g of broccoli and sausage and 20g of butter in it, or
steak with 400g spinach in like 40g of butter or
the classical eggs with sausage plus 20g of butter, or
50g of the fattiest bacon i can find (needs no butter) or
3 eggs with spinach plus the butter
Salad with plenty of oliveoil and mayonese with sausage and cheese
Often 3 of my daily meals are swisscheese with butter. It's very convenient during work, don't even need to stop working. This is what i can come up with after 14 months into ketosis. End of the day i net about 100 to 120g of protein and 100g of butter.
Amine Dassouki swiss cheese has about 40% fat, not very much indeed, thats why i add butter to it and eat it like a sandwich. I read somewhere that swiss cheese has the most amount of B12 vitamine. And also i am swiss so i am kinda obligated to it ;D .. I will try muenster though, din't know that one
KetoBabe thanks for sharing yours too ;)
That is good ty man,but when i eat butter with fatty.meat im.full and cant eat for hours hehe.3 times a day max for me.ty for information and help
Thadeka Deka I dont eat big meals during the day because it would drop my ketonlevel dramaticly for hours. At work i like a high ketonlevel of around 1 or higher. While measuring my blood over a period of time, i found that i respond very quickly to protein. If i eat more then say 20 or 25g of protein in one meal, my ketonlevel drops. 4 eggs with sausage and my ketonlevel drops from 1.6 to 0.5 within an hour. Typically i eat those kind of meals in the evening.
Just admit it doc, you can't say what fats you recommend without getting yourself in trouble. You can't say butter, lard, and tallow. But why do you keep plugging canola oil?
i have tip 2 biabetic. but how
i think it's pretty much final that this is THE FACT after all.
My wife is Asian. Very sweet fruit was available to Asians for centuries. I think she can eat carbs and stay thin due to her innate ability to tolerate carbs. I can't eat fruit, rice, or noodles and drop weight or have good blood work levels, however.
Eat this diet and get a fabulous body like Jimmy Moore!
well most Americans are fat or obese, so is this diet to blame for that as well.
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really? canola oil? and others refine vegetable oils? that's is really unhealthy
Ricardo, this is from 2013 I am sure with the knowledge we have now they would not suggest a veg oil.
he is talking about high oleic canola oil High oleic oil is any oil that is high in monounsaturated fats. Olive and canola oil are naturally high in monounsaturated fat, but they are also high in polyunsaturated fats which mean they are not very shelf-stable. In recent years, scientists have developed sunflower (and other) oils that are bred to be high in monounsaturated fats and low in polyunsaturated fats so they can be used in products that need to be shelf-stable.
...But I stick mostly to animal fats or coconut oil. and some olive oil.
Terrible audio quality...
Seriously, but you seem to not have a single clue of what you're talking about. Wild speculation about face expressions and outrageous accusations are not very much against a life devoted to science and research.
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+lilian hamdan
jacque fresco videos should be on your list next to watch. they will explain your use of profanity and the way you lash out. you are being trained by the monetary system to keep people sick to ensure the monetary system survives. i am living proof of what is spoken about in the video to an extreme. ive been living a keto adapted state for 2.5 years with the last 3 months of absolutely no sugar ingested and i have never felt better. im down 55 pounds in total and have another 20 to go with i will attain by butting out dairy til i reach my desired weight of 185. both my sisters and sister inlaw are nurse practitioners and everyone in their immediate family has gotten cancer. remove sugar from your diet and watch the medical profession be the highest rated for debt collecting when they cant make their payments on their mecedes. atkins was the man. (you got roasted here btw. havnt seen a roast like this in a long time)
Love theses guys...feels great to stay lean year-round with out having to diet for a natural bodybuilding show. Their book is my Bible when it comes to all around nutrition.
yup me too :) but it's weird they never mentioned growth hormone. many threads i've found said: this diet increases this hormone. something else they never said what'll happen if stored fat went zero,how can a person gets his power ? i'm talking about 0% of stored fat for a person who is participating in a long marathon ? does he get to a coma or something like this. ( maybe Steve can help us with this)
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