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Fundamental Fallacies of Faith
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- Опубліковано 6 лис 2016
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This was the presentation I gave on my book tour in El Paso, Sierra Vista, Tucson, Phoenix, Riverside, San Diego, Orange County, Los Angeles, San Luis Obispo, San Francisco, Berkeley, Seattle, Portland, Sacramento, San Jose, Fresno, Las Vegas, and Amarillo.
Aron Ra changed my life. He got me questioning all the bullshit I was raised with. From there I started reading the Bible for myself instead of listening to the Preacher and all the bullshit unraveled from there.
Aron, if you read these comments: Thanks, man. You rock.
Mine, too. He's the one who finally convinced me that evolution is legit. I grew up being constantly exposed to Kent Hovind dvds and other absolute bullshit and by the time I was an adult I had no idea which way was up. I'm so grateful to AronRa and a couple others for doing what they do. It really is important.
GCF - That's the reason that god placed Aron Ra on the earth at this time.
KickYouInTheThroat Being grateful to someone who did you a solid isn't exactly the same as being doughy-eyed and fawning. I had been trying to understand a concept for months and something about the way he put it clicked, and finally I got it. Suddenly a thing that didn't make sense made sense.
I was raised to be polite, though, so I am in the habit of being grateful and saying thank you when someone does me a favor. Aron Ra did me a favor. I'm grateful. Nothing more, nothing less.
question him on hillary tho
Tiktaalik so what. how does atheism equate politics?
"Whatever is not supported by evidence, does not warrant serious consideration." Great quote.
BOOM
Hey, you look familiar...
And I agree, great quote.
Alec Eisenbison - From that discussion with the angry "philosopher", right?
IT'S IN THE BOOKS!!!
Legionario Cruel Eeyup. Unfortunate that he didn't grasp the concept of that quote.
Actually, no. If taken seriously, this quote would pretty much destroy all of scientific research, since any scientific model or hypothesis is initially unsupported by evidence. The better way to put it would be "Whatever is not supported by evidence, does not merit positive belief in its validity." for the record, I'm an atheist too. I'm just pointing out the obvious and fatal flaw in this quote if taken at face value.
many years ago, when I was in church, I heard the preacher say, "if there is disagreement between the Bible and the facts, then the facts are wrong." I wish I would have walked out and never looked back. it took another twenty something years, and several attempts at several religions before religion finally abandoned me.
Fa1c0 : When I was a Christian, I thought I was so cool to "know" things that facts couldn't touch. Boy was that a useless thought process.
SpeakerWiggin49 kind of amusing to think about now, isn't it?
It would be amusing, if it didn't STILL affect education and our society.....
MrMdrscream Personally, it would be more funny if it didn't have such a serious psychological effect on my brain ripples...ha.ha.ha.
I'm Christian, watching this video right now to hear if this guy's got anything strong against me, decided to look down. The false dichotomy is easily the biggest problem with any rational debate with Christians, and while it exists dominantly among christians when it comes to religion (when it comes to leftists, which are *usually* atheists, it's western culture as a whole), it's not exclusively so. I've found atheists have a hard time debating me when i have no problem conceding that parts of the bible might actually be false and/or not even intended for factual purpose (parables for example).
On the flip side, largely this mentality is why science was so strongly supported by the catholic church. The basic idea was "we can use the bible to ensure that we didn't screw up the experiment, but if the expreiment is consistenly in opposition of the bible, then clearly our interpretation of the book of truth is wrong." They had this idea a long time ago, that, i assume due to the reformation, got lost, that the bible was a collection of books, some fictional with more philosophical value and some historical with factual value: both of which are from the eyes of man regarding the divine, rather than from the divine itself. Somewhere along the line we lost this bit, which is sad, because it really doesn't have to be this way that we throw out actual wisdom of the ancients that can be verified (especially in regards to how humans interact with each other) simply because we might not like this bit or that bit. Why should the bible be thrown out as a whole, when the basis of debate is to "separate the wheat from the chaff"? A flat earther is still right when he says the earth exists, he's just wrong when he says the earth is flat.
Aron Ray speaks for humanity as an intellectual species.
9:00 "Why would you want to continue believing something you know is not true?" The answer essentially breaks down likes this: the fear of the loss of one's identity.
Good point. I speak to a Christian each week about her beliefs and have pointed out the red flags, flaws in her beliefs and how so many of the bible stories have been debunked. They did not happen at all. Christianity is her worldview, identity, she wants to be like jesus, listens only to hill song etc. Her beliefs have never been challenged. She would be lost if christianity was proven to be false. It really does destroy the human faculties. It's sad! I almost think if it was proven to be false she would still believe in it. That's how powerful this nonsense is
I remember one day figuring out Santa wasn't real and mom and dad lied to me...and I felt insulted when they insisted it was true...later I figured out the bible is complete and utter nonsense.
My right ear enjoyed this video.
if i press my 7.1 sound button it fix the sound
Same
Reminds me of those early stereo Beatles records, with the vocals in the right ear, instruments in the left ear.
The Beatles beg to differ
I understand.
Aron could probably drop some anti-creationist bars with that talking speed, God DAMN! In all seriousness, fucking love Aron, always a pleasure to listen to, always has his argument points done properly, and always has magnificent hair.
ARON RAY is amazing, specially in his godcast.
Aron Ra
LoL 😆 👍
@Golden Age Creation please seek a hospital
I love listening to him talk. Knows what he's talking about, explains well, pleasing voice, enunciates. Same with Hitchens.
Him and Hitchens have lost debates. When called on the spot they can't produce enough facts to prove they're right. Knowing what you're talking about and having "faith"in what you're talking about aren't the same.
@@jesusislord9080 You sayin' it don't make it so.
@@bernierasmusson9257 same for you as well
@@jesusislord9080 mind telling us which ass fold you tore this one out of?
@@jesusislord9080 Jesus is fictional, he's a manmade creation. Meaning you worship a character we made.
Thank you for saying so elegantly and understandably what I have felt since childhood. About 65 years now. Logic is a beautiful thing.
He always gives wonderful lectures and it is a shame how many people in America ignore facts just to believe a fantasy.
Let's play "how many ways can we mispronounce AronRa in one minute"!
Kate Turner Oorin Ruy
@@callumneely100 oiyye arey
Are own Ray!
AreasRa ShaBawHaHa
Aretha Franklin
I was raised in the Church of Christ.
When I was in grade school I would ask hard to answer or cant answer bible questions and my answer was a whipping with a belt.
This parallels Islam.
my first across the face was when I ask my grandmother "whose taking all these notes".
"I'll beat you until you do what I want" has ever been the method of mean, stupid, fearful, little people. A system that cannot withstand or tolerate a single question is a system that doesn't deserve to exist.
@@Maladjester but it still somehow is still here, and its GROWING
@@aturchomicz821 A different sect is growing. Christianity is declining. It's time is ending.
@@nathanielgrey4091 Thats fake news!
I am so thankful for this incredible man...he among others have totally changed my life.
"Deceivers seek believers "
That hit hard.
45 mins to an hour a day, 5 days a week 9 months out of the year, over a decade of repeatedly telling kids if they disagree with evolution they will be mocked and laughed out of the scientific community and never have a career, evolutionary biology being a required course for literally an education in any field, every movie, tv show, commercial pushing evolution as the root of our existence, vs 45 minutes to an hour a week randomly being told God created you...who is deceiving and working the hardest to create believers in their lie? evolution requires more faith then seeing similar traits and understanding there was a similar architect.
One is making dogmatic assertions without evidence, the other is showing evidence and teaching the kids how to understand logic and make discoveries of their own.
@@dutchymcsmokeyton2582 You love lying, don't you, liar?
So our asshole is literally the first physical body part that develops? That's hilarious!
yes, yes it is
*@Nolan Tucker*
Please forgive my ignorance. I was home-schooled mostly and sent to extremely strict fundamentalist souther Baptist schools when my mother had to work. They deliberately hid science from my "education". My parents even told me that dinosaurs never existed and it was another lie by scientists working for Satan.
Ryan Swanson There are tons of resources online if you want to continue learning.
Watching Aron's videos are a great start
That's perfectly alright.
None of us know everything. Knowledge is a journey.
And most people in the world, will never know the fun fact you just posted.
And some people never develop further! Thank you Aron Ra. You are a treasure to the world.
Aron handles audience distractions very well.
I love the Ramen God Cast with Aaron Rey!
LPTheGas
He really ought to call it a Godcast just to be a troll.
Roman God Cast with Arran Ray
I love your videos, they leave me with more questions than answers which in turn, spurs me on to seek more answers. Thank you.
Aron must be absolutely sick of NO ONE getting his name right. But this is the first time I've heard someone say the "Aron" part right but get the "Ra" part wrong.
The person who introduced him said "Ra" right.
Listen again. At first she says "Aaron Ra" then the second time she says "Aron Ray". She was wrong both times.
subductionzone
A small messup on the Ra part, but most people do say the Aron part wrong.
Again, she said both wrong but at different times.
It's Nelson.
"hardly needs a introduction"
"aaron rey"....
....
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really??
Yup, that was embarrassing. You would think that, if she was unsure, she would have asked someone beforehand "How exactly do you pronounce his name?".
exactly!
nodvick what's really weird is that many of Aron's videos contain footage of him pronouncing his name correctly. this leads me to be suspicious of her viewership of his videos.
What strikes me as particularly funny about that is that she pronounced Ra correctly when mentioning the Ra-Men.
GreenmanDave maybe she thought it was a show about noodles
Love Aron with his incredible and honest work he does and above all his knowledge he possess! He is quite funny as well 😭😂🤣
Please keep up the great work, Aron Ra. Proud to be a Patreon supporter! You rock, good sir!
you can't teach about Germs , they're just a theory.
Prove you love Jesus
Sperminator10000 😂😂😂
No one has ever seen a germ transmit a disease...FACT! So germ theory is just a theory and not proved. No one has ever observed an electron "orbit" a nucleus...FACT!. Electron theory...disproved. Don't get me started on ghost theory. That shit is crazy.
They only call them germs to mock the germans, for their failed war attempt. jesus thinks germs are fake too
Sperminator10000 Where can I read about the ger-mans? Are there feminist ger-womans. Who is this Jesus character you speak of?
Aww man! I missed you coming to Sac!😣 Maybe I can catch your next visit. Run for president Aron! You'd have my vote! 😀
Aaron never gives a boring lecture! He's the man!!
I'm on another AronRa binge.
Don't try to stop me!
Are you having a good time?
@@WilbertLek I'm having a ball!
@@w8m4n
😉👍
Thank you Aron for all your work to spread intelligent truth!
If reality doesn't agree with my religious beliefs, then reality must be wrong.
I have no idea how they manage to arrive at that conclusion. It makes no sense.
uncleanunicorn obviously Christians and Jews can walk on water
Steward of Autumn Just have faith.
uncleanunicorn No, just add water.
I have heard a preacher say exactly that, word for word. I left that church out of disgust.
I enjoy reading that book - it is well done, Mr. Ra and amazing to read. Thank you.
Aron...I'm now mature enough to appreciate what you say. For me dude you're on the level of Matt...if not greater. Love ya work, humor, scholarship and tenacity.
really well done. well researched, professionally presented, scholarly informational, internally consistent and concise.
Among your many good ones this should rank with your great ones.
faith is ignorance and ignorance is bliss.
If so, then why do I get annoyed when I realise I don't know something?
***** because the ignorant believe they know it all, It's easy when "god did it" is the answer for all answers.
Faith - Fundamentalists Against Intentionally Toward Humanists
and they teach the bliss (ignorance)to other
You have faith.
Faith that dinosaurs went extinct 65, million years ago.
Faith there were no giants on the earth.
Faith there was no global flood.
Faith that pyramids were built by
ignorant people.
Check out Carl Munck. The code.
Then you'll know how "ignorant" they were.
I’ve seen so many references to the spirit or soul as wind or air in the past couple years studying biblical scriptures and hebrew interpretations. Aron was the first person to bring it to my attention just how deeply the ancients idolized air because they saw it was the main ingredient for life in their observations. They didn’t know it was actually particulate matter. Brilliant insight from Aron or perhaps whoever he got it from. Really clarifies a lot where there would otherwise still be mere conjecture in my understanding
Aron thankyou for your eloquent arguments I am glad that you are here to take on Hitchens mantel . Keep up the good work.
Ten minutes before this video showed up in my subscription list I was saying to myself, where is AronRa? And here he is. Weird but awesome. Nice to see a video from you AronRa.
It must be divine intervention.
ITS A SIGN OF GOD!!!!
Teheeheee..XD
Lol dude, my mom always attributes these coincidences to god :/
FSM is with you. :)
Adam and Eve: stole a forbidden apple thing and ate it
Aron Ra: You should've made a pie out of it!
God got pissed over one fruit, can you imagine a whole pie X)
I really like how you interpret the legends. Many legends are actual historical events, which are modified by retelling.
'Prove Evolution!' Ok, DNA. There, I proved it.
Other mammals...
We're doing it 'ass' backwards. Man that is good.
The bible is a fantastic book of jokes. Amazing how all the ridiculous stories in it are so laughable!
It's a shame so many people read it and don't see it's comedy gold
ajs1031
Yeah ha ha, except non fiction
Shocking There are a couple nice things in there too lol
Yeah there are those 2 things I suppose
Shocking, I know this comment thread is a year old but I just had to reply to give you kudos for your reply to ajs1031. Nice one!
Best story involving a talking donkey and a fire breathing dragon since Shrek, 10/10.
Christian: "You can't prove evolution because you'd have to prove that there is no God!"
Aron Ra: "Hold my beer."
geraintwd but he is misinformed, and misinforms! I would not trust anything he says, he gets a lot of inaccurate information!
Daniel Kirby Ray name some
@@AnonymOus-dp3jj alright then, what info does he get wrong
@@AnonymOus-dp3jj care to expand?
@@creepergod3692 appears he can't back up his drive by statement
Arona Ra is very knowledgeable man .... 👏👍💪👌🙏🤝
I bought the audio book yesterday. Great job as expected.
Hmm, lets see if it is also available in my country.
Ok, I just bought it. ;)
My favorite quote for what books should people recommend for turning someone away from Christianity and into an atheist was Penn Gillette when he said that of all the science books and all the philosophy books, all the books on atheism or anything like that the best one to read would be the Bible, because of all of the contradictions and all the monsters things that God did
True...who exactly wants to spend eternity with the biblical god...a mass murderer...a temptor...a manipulator...not me
@AronRa- Thanks for making the world a better place! -BA
I don't think deception makes the world a better place.
This is one smart and great man. Thanks for your life's work, it is awesome.^
i love aronra this old man is the smartest guy i ever saw thats what i love about him
Love you Aron!
+AronRa How do you manage to remember all those details about all those tales? I can barely memorize my neighbors names...
I don't think he does either, the brain tends to forget things that considers irrelevant and memorize only what considers important. The proximity with the neightbors rarely is proportional to the importance they have on your life.
MrGrompok well it's obvious that neighbors are not important
Love your series, really helps widen my perspective
I love how an audience member immediately corrected the lady introducing Aron when she said his name incorrectly ahaha And then "Aron Ray" 10 seconds later just made it better
Thank you for coming to Sacramento!
Thank you, Aron Ra, I love and appreciate your work.
Very sharp and precise language
Just ordered your book on Amazon, thanks Aron!
The truth is what the facts are and if you don't care about the facts then you don't care about the truth.
You remind me of being the George Carlin of Atheism (as if he wasn't already!). But you nail it and put it on a cross so well. ;0)
great presentation Aron!
That choice people make of remaining honest or remaining creationist, I started to call that AronRa's fork. Can we make that a thing?
For atheists, AronRa's fork should be as well understood as Hitchen's razer and Sagan's law. It's the defining moment in most debates and I've seen it happen a lot. All creationists and other people caught up in cultish movements such as MLM or anti-feminism inevitably reach AronRa's fork.
"Once sincere believers begin to investigate the evidence and arguments on either side of this alleged
controversy, they will very quickly face a life-altering choice: whether to remain honest, or whether to remain creationist, because it is no longer possible to be both." -AronRa's Fork
AronRa That. I've seen it happen for other belief systems as well. It's not just for creationism.
My wife had to make that same life altering choice when it came to vaccines.
I personally had to make that choice when it comes to feminism. The alleged controversy between feminists and anti-fems does not exist in the real world. Honesty required me to become a feminist.
Territorialism may be good for brevity in conversation, but it is no replacement for making sure EVERYONE knows what is actually being talked about.
I think I'd like to only use his first name. Rolls off the tongue easier. Hitchen's razor and Sagan's law don't use their full names either. But 'Ra's Fork' doesn't seem as flowing as 'Aron's Fork'.
Put me down as another vote for calling it "Aron's Fork".
also I can't believe you only have 150k subs...
"aron ray" lol
honestly i am thankful for you and people like you
you taught me to be more logical and to assess the things presented to me to know they are true or not
Hi Aron, I bought your book! Thanks, I'm learning stuff :) Recommended.
This man is amazing!!!!!
AronRa, if i believed in God, I would thank Him for you !
How do you invite a speaker and not know his name.....
I've heard a lot of the pieces of this presentation before, in other forms, but he's on fire here.
My brother prays for me and I think for him. It seems to work.
Hey Aaron, great speech as always! What is the name of your book? And is the philogeny project ready yet? Where can i find it? Great iniciative! I just had a debate with some jehovah's witnesses who came knocking this morning. So i gotta thank you for your videos, they helped to understand many things.
iirc a scientific law is something that explains *what* happens while a theory explains *why* it happens, and a hypothesis is asking "is x true?"
I listen to a lot of these. Sound is on point. Good job John Lucas and rick tracewell.
If you're a serious spiritual seeker, it is very helpful that some paths can be ruled out by science. It's a huge blessing to live in this age. Any religious path falsified by science, such as creationism, wasn't worth anything anyway.
Wow, the introductory speaker mispronounced your name two different ways.
She wanted to get it right at least one time
Read that book he's holding!!!! Fundamental Falsehoods Of Creationism!!!! HIGHLY recommended!!!
Hello, Mr. Ra! Good to see you!
This was on my 50th birthday. Thanks for the prezzie (though a bit late). And I love the balloons also.
Aron, how could we find out when you visit different states?
I live in California but wasn't aware you were out here.
No this is Patrick - follow him on facebook.
The irony of the add preceeding this video was epic..
What add did you get? I didn't get anything ironic before this video.
42ndLife Something about voting for God...
let me guess: "honor god with your vote"
I got a star wars Rogue One movie trailer :P
I don't know why but I've been getting adds for some new age cult recently...
I wish I had known you were here. I love your work.
Me too he is the voice of reason he speaks with iron like conviction, and I hear him. Regards Eire32
I have a Master’s Degree in Music - Multimedia with an undergrad in music “theory”. Very good, Aron! I do get your joke and will use this when speaking to creationists/Christians. Thank you!
Aron, I'm officially tired of the atheist video makers who have become incapable of doing anything but bashing feminists and ''SJWs''. can you direct new to more atheists who don't play this broken record constantly'?
I recommend BionicDance
They'll probably stop when they aren't a minority of atheists as a whole, outside of making videos.
@@cjfeinberg7613 hi, I'd like to recommend Prophet of Zod, Darkmatter2525, Viced Rhino, and Godless Cranium. They are still making purely atheist and anti-creationist content on a regular basis. There are other great atheist channels such as The Bible Skeptic, and Discern 4, but they've pretty much stopped uploading new content. But their back catalogues are woth watching. I hope this helps.
The other two members of the Unholy Trinity Trio (Matt Dillahunty and Seth Andrews) are pretty great on UA-cam.
There's also GeneticallyModifiedSkeptic, Holy KoolAid, and Rationality Rules.
Which video makers making the crappy videos were you referring to?
Some people are frightened of dying. If you tell them they will live forever in heaven and death is not the end, they will believe any ludicrous thing supporting that assertion, [even the existence of god], because the promise of eternal life [ugh!] removes their fears and makes them happier.
Religions are designed to do that, no matter how many lies they have to tell.
But if it makes the poor deluded sods happy, should we burst their bubble?
I see a lot of Karenationists having the courage to refute you.....
This is my opinion, if you did have eternal life, or an eternal after life, what would be your purpose tho? You’d just be living forever....
LOVE how AR talks super fast 😍😍
I once worked for a steel fabrication company making handrails and balcony rails that were to be installed at Caesar Chavez High School in Phoenix, Arizona. I am certain those handrails existed. I made them myself. They had substance. I hope they were installed at Caesar Chavez High School, but I never saw it happen. But Caesar Chavez High School was opened and is now in operation. I take that as evidence that the handrails were installed, even though I have never been to Caesar Chavez High School and have never seen it except for the handrails that I made. I have faith that Caesar Chavez High School exists. I never saw Caesar Chavez, but I have faith that there was such a person. Faith is exactly what the Apostle Paul said it was.
No online cubits-to-meters converter? LTFG!
(Specifically, go to Google.com and type "22 cubits in meters" into the search bar...)
Oh... oh.. that introduction...
Great, great job.
This is how a prominent Christian thinker defines the term 'faith' in a recent book on science & religion,
"Religious belief does not depend upon a dispassionate analysis of evidence that leads to conviction beyond a reasonable doubt. It is always a commitment made in response to an insight that is individual and unique."
'The Big Questions in Science and Religion,' Keith Ward, p. 104
@ 9:27 Heckled my Matt Dillahunty (?)
Baked into permanent documents, are you saying they were the first to try "cooking the books"?
This is amazing! Where can I find more information about the Tower of babel history? (I know I can google it, but if you can provide trustful sources, that’d be great)
No AronRa I did find ONE thing CORRECT in the Bible....The Page Numbers!! Haha I Love you Brother! I listen to you EVERYDAY 👍🏿
holy crap, did you take speed before this talk?
ShadeyBladey
nah he was talking even faster in this one. He really seemed like he was on some kind of stimulant.
stiimuli. he thinks so quickly and speaks so quickly and believes we all can, too. think of it, rather, as double your money's worth in half the usual time.
aaron ray would never take drugs
Ladies and gentlemen, introducing AronRay's all new "Underdog Super Energy Pill."
Your weak mind just cannot keep up.
Aron, are you offering signed copies of your book?
Mike Regan hes on a book signing tour. im seeing him in Miami February!
TheJestersDoor Hope that works for you, but I can't be much farther away and be on the same continent. I'm on Vancouver Island in British Columbia. Was kinda hoping for a mail order thing. :)
"our next guest needs no introduction"
-proceeds to immediately mispronounce his name-
Great introduction.
"Nobody who started the trip, finished it." Moses, worst Oregon Trail Let's Player on the planet.
Best Snakes player, though.
Leprechauns are real! If they aren't, then why are there books and movies about them! What, next you're gonna say Santa Claus, Unicorns and Fairies aren't real, too?!?
Unicorns are.
Thou shalt not suffer a leprechaun to live. Thus commands Sasquatch, our Lord and Saviour!
Well dragons are real too. If not , that book would not have mentioned them. His name is dragon and he flys, and we call him to come to us here here dragonfly and hallelujah it works on a hot summer day, you know Its a Beautiful Day!
....and now take your pills and go to sleep, go..
I was dying by the end of the rainbow and the leprechaun possibility comments.
I can see the changes you're making with your street epistemology !essons. God job.
God troll....