Saginaw Steering Box Rebuild | 1st Gen Cummins
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- Опубліковано 8 вер 2024
- Today I show you how to re-seal and rebuild a Saginaw steering box in a 1st gen cummins. These steering boxes are built well and found in many older vehicles. The real issue on these trucks is how they are poorly mounted and how poor the geometry of the steering linkages are as well as the weak frame they are mounted to.
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i like the jump cut putting those Teflon seals in lol! those gave me a fit!
Great Video. Very, Very Good explanation. Thanks for taking the time to make it. I'm diving in!
I also installed a borgeson steering shaft. A much better upgrade
Las Camionetas Dodge sufren muy seguido la fractura de chasis, la direccion hace una tremenda presion en frente
Yes
Napa had a life time gear box. In the last 18 years I’ve done three boxes. They just swap them out. I’ve also had the backing plate break.
How much did you pay for the napa box? I called today and they had new units for $800
@@decentgarage I wanna say less then 200. But that was back when things were normal before the couf and supply chain issues.
@@ram_diesel_power6039 crazy, I'm going to call a few different parts stores tomorrow. Was it a new box or reman?
@@decentgarage reman. I’ve always run big tires and have an 8 ft snow plow so the box takes a beating.
The leaf spring bushings are loose too. But I'm sure you already know that. Great tutorial as always. 👍👍👍
Everything needs a bit of love!
@@OvensGarage I agree. Your doing a great job bringing her back to par.
@@ronsre-creations5289 if only there were more time in the day!
Great video. Had to replace my loose rivets too.
How'd you replace yours? Grind off the old rivets and put in bolts or weld the bracket?
@@OvensGarage I didn’t want to grind into the frame so i started by drilling a small hole in the rivet head (not through the entire rivet) and increased the bit size slowly to about the diameter of the rivet and just sheared it off with my chisel and sledge. With some effort, I was then able to punch out the rivets. I watched a bunch of videos and it didn’t seem like there was an easy or best way. I did not weld but but it’s probably not a bad idea.
Man every time I’m working on my truck you come out with a video on what I’m working on lol. My leaf spring hanger was doing the same not as bad but still moving. Replaced the rivit with bolts and I also welded the brake it to the frame. I also sent my steering box to have it rebuilt and change the valving to make the steering more stiff. I’m not digging the one finger steering. Hopefully that will solve my issue.
We are in sync. haha. How hard was it to replace the rivets with bolts? It didn't look like there was a ton of room for bolts on the top side of that spring perch. I would want to weld that bracket to the frame as well to eliminate any play. The one finger steering is what I want. I love a steering box that's easy to turn. Adjusting that nut on the top of the steering box in a bit will make your steering wheel stiffer to turn. You can try that out. It takes up the slack between the teeth in the gear box.
@@OvensGarage the rivets were pretty easy to get out with a angle grinder and a air hammer. And there is one bolt that is hard to get really tight but it’s doable. I would think bigger tires and the easy one finger steering would be a good thing but from my experience I’m not a fan. So I got a redhead box think it would be better,it was cool for a bit . But then it just seemed different easy again. Maybe with ratio change from the 4.5 turns to the 3.5 turns on the steering wheel change made it to easy. Idk but I’m hoping with the gearbox being re-valved differently it will finally drive like I want it. fingers crossed.
Great video
Thanks!
I usually turn to almost the end of steering travel then adjust the bolt to a good drag. Then when you return to center it loosens up because that is where all the wear is.
With ever problem fixed 10 more pop up. Im curious how mine is doing but im 2 wheel drive with a gasser so prob isnt worn out yet.
Don't think the 2wd trucks suffered as bad as the 4wd trucks, but I've never worked on 2wd 1st gens.
@@OvensGarage opinion also seems kinda mixed in the one finger steering I personally love it and think all vehicles should be like that but it seems some people hate it with a passion and gets reflected in design since for work I drive a Chevy van around and you bought have to use two hands at times. Also for the steering shaft upgrade what does it offer I might get one myself if it has some great upsides.
@@cowthedestroyer yeah especially for a truck with 4 turns lock to lock I want to easily be able to palm the steering wheel and not rip the skin off my hands while doing it haha.
it doesn't look like you worried about how *far in* the shaft from the steering wheel went on the toothed shaft of the gear box. I'm working on my plan to get my 91 back together. what should that shaft to shaft connection look like? there's a flat bit, and a grooved bit on the shaft coming out the box; where does the alan bolt hit?
When I put everything together and new fluid no fluid was circulating through the supply line. Maybe a clog?
Maybe. It takes a bit to get the air bled out of the system. Turn the wheel back and forth with them off the ground to bleed all the air out.
Not sure if you're aware but it is extremely illegal to heat steering components, at least where I live. I recommend you replace that Pitman arm. Good video regardless though.
Nope never heard of that where are you from.
@@OvensGarage Alberta, pretty sure it's illegal across Canada I know it's definitely illegal here and in BC though.
@@Downstriker559 send reference. Thanks. Didn't know.
On the 4wd the saginaw backing plate breaks...some 10 years ago they where No longer available (NLA)...still the case? "they" scrapped the last 300...I was told
They are available on eBay and such, many guys get rid of the plates when they go to crossover steering, or upgrade to the AutoFab bracket or similar. I still need to upgrade mine.
Does my steering shaft set screw have to be on that flat spot of the steering box? I noticed you didn’t do it but I’ve heard it can fall off?
No I don't think so. It should be fine as long as they are tightened up good. Just keep an eye on them. I always check my steering components for loose areas.
my first gen is leaking bad from the sector shaft aluminum cover
y replaced the complete box with a reman unit and it does the same, when i turn the wheels to the right no problem, when i turn to the left, it will leak when the steering box feels some reistence, i notice my box twist hisslef somehow, and it starts leaking from the aluminum cover
any idea will help
You are talking about the big cap on the bottom? If I remember right there is an o ring on that if it's leaking it needs replaced.
My '93 2wd has ball joints vs king pins. I wonder if any other suspension changes were made ?
4wd’s have King pins (solid axle), 2wd’s have ball joints (control arms). All years of these trucks are setup like this.
18:47 would you happen to have the part number to find one of those sector shafts I need to replace mine it’s for a 4WD? Is that the 16:1 correct
I would try reaching out to some steering gear re-builders they may have extra stock to sell you
Did you replace the o-rings on the lines?
Yes, forgot to mention it in the video. Easy to do later though if you forget or if it starts leaking at the lines.
I have a question, will the redhead steering box work for the 2wd 12 valves
Yes, the d250s have the same steering box but mount in the 2wd location which is directly to the frame without the 4wd adaptor plate.
@@OvensGarage thanks man
Great video (again) did you lock your steering wheel in place when taking box off? Have seen other videos where they did, not sure if needed though?
Thanks! No, I didn't lock my steering wheel. I tried to keep it in the same spot but I ended up being off a spline when I went to put the steering shaft back in. It's hard to get the exact spline unless you scribe the shaft before you take it off. I ended up having to pull the steering wheel and skip a spline on the steering column..no big deal! 5 mins of work.
Is it necessary to adjust the lash?
After you re-seal the box you have to follow the adjustment procedures when re-assembling, so yes.
@@OvensGarage 👍🏼 I wonder why some have more ball bearing my 2wd steering box has 24
Harbor freight still has ball peen hammers on sale.
Want to buy me some? lol.