First Time Watching RETURN OF THE KING (Lord Of The Rings) - PART 2/2 Reaction
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- Опубліковано 28 сер 2022
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Hello! I just wanted to write this little message to thank you all for accompanying me in this journey and helping my channel A LOT!. Thank you for helping my channel grow, it means a lot to me. I also wanted to let you know that thanks to your contributions, especially the ones coming from the LOTR fandom, i'll be able to buy a tablet to watch my movies with. I've always used my mom's when i film and it usually takes the whole day so, i wanted to have my own and now i can go and buy it!! i'm so happy and it's thanks to you. People have told me in the past that i "need" to watch movies on a TV haha, i can't buy a TV and i can't put a TV on my filming setting because there's simply no space but you know what? I'm content and thankful with what i've got, i still have to rewatch each movie SEVERAL times during editing so i do end up paying attention to a lot of details, even more so than the first time i watched. Anyways, what was i saying? Oh, thank you so much again! This has been an amazing adventure!
For most films and TV shows it doesn’t really matter how you watch them as long as you can see and hear what’s happening. I think big special effects laden blockbusters really do benefit from being viewed on a big screen though. If it’s not an option though then it’s not an option. Well not unless you want to try using duct tape to attach the tablet to the front of your face to get that big screen experience.😄
I’m glad you enjoyed the journey. I read the books when I was a kid and Frodo having to leave at the end had pretty much the same effect on me too.
One of my favorite reactors. You are both strikingly beautiful as well as funny and entertaining.
Your reactions are honest and never "hammy". Your commentary is always insightful and thoughtful.
Your mom is really cute, too!
I first started watching you back when you started the Rick and Morty journey.
I could watch you do interviews. You could be a talk show host easily.
Sorry, Im just being a fanboy
I had an amazing journey on the other side of the screen. I'm glad you enjoyed it. Thank you.
Young lady, I would thank YOU for allowing me to share this adventure with you. You have seen, and felt, what so many around the world and down the years have known, and I welcome you to our worldwide Tolkien community.
You asked why Frodo had to leave? Just look at 45:04 - the expression on Frodo's face tells you, he's already beginning to heal from the terrible wounds left by sword, sting, and the Ring itself. He is departing into the West with the Elves, where he can live out his life in healing and peace. Would that we all might know the same.
Hannon le, Amanda...
When will you watch THE HOBBIT?😁😍
"This is why cinema exists" is a pretty perfect way to sum up these movies
Or as the Americans call it ‘movie theatre’ 😂
“I will not say: do not weep; for not all tears are an evil.” Thank you, very lovely reaction.
Such a beautiful movie. A lot of people believe that Tolkein's own experiences in combat explain why Frodo could never truly heal from the journey. It's nice to think that everybody comes home and lives happily ever after, but that isn't always the case, and Tolkein knew that. It's like Frodo said, "there are some things that time cannot mend."
Yes. Tolkien was a soldier in World War I. In a lot of his earlier writings, you can see a sense of impending doom.
Its difficult for people who only watch the movies to understand this bit of the story because the scourging of the Shire is left out of the movies. Tolkien hated the total war industrialisation and mechanisation that had overtaken Britain by the end of ww1. He felt very alienated by post war britain - and thats reflected in the scourging of the shire at the end of the return of the king (for those who havent read the books, saruman doesnt die at isengard - he just locks himself if in the tower of orthanc. He and Grima exact revenge on the Hobbits by taking over the shire, imposing a totaliarian regime, and completely wrecking and industrialising it. Saruman is eventually killed by grima when the hobbits - led mostly by Merry and Pippin - rise up and overthrow them when the 4 return). So Frodo's motives are a bit easier to understand if you know what happened in those final chapters of the books and Frodo's reaction to that.
@@tileux thanks for this explanation. I've never read the books so that helps it make much more sense
Exactly, that isn't always the case and that's why i appreciate this ending so much. It's very realistic. This is going to sound a little silly but i think i would be easy for a lot of viewers (especially young ones and kids) to assume that Frodo was just going on a trip to get away from everything. If we are being honest, the movies don't really explain what the ship is or what the place he is going to really is. I had to remember what people had explained to me in the comments to fully undertand that Frodo was just giving up his life.
@@amandamiquilena Actually the movie explains where the ships goes, but I think this explanation is in the first movie (I don't remember very well because it's been a while since I've seen the movies), what is not explained is because Frodo and Bilbo get on the ship, I mean, the explanation is implied and not very easy to understand (I only understood after reading the books 😆). In which Frodo and Bilbo leave the middle earth because even after the ring's destruction they were still corrupted by the ring, Bilbo because he stayed with its for years, that's why he lived so long, and started to age faster when he left the ring for Frodo, and in the case of Frodo in addition to the ring (as in the movie it doesn't show, but Frodo kept the ring for, I think for 3 or 5 years before setting out on the journey to destroy it), Frodo was also stabbed by the Nazgul's blade , which caused him to always feel the effects of the blade's corruption. And because of that, so that both he and Bilbo could have a reprieve from this suffering, they were allowed to depart together with Gandalf and Galadriel from Middle Earth to Valinor, the land of the immortals (I think that was the way they said about Valinor in the movie, Sorry but I don't remember right now 😣). A very cool fact that what have in the books, is that, after the destruction of the ring, Legolas and Gimli left together to kill the rest of the remaining Orcs, and after that when Legolas went on the last boat to leaved the Middle Earth, it was granted to the Gimli that he could also go to Valinor, which made him the only dwarf to set foot in Valinor, as well as being the only one who was granted the strands of Galadriel's hair, which were prized by all races, but unfortunately it's not shown in the movies why this is so important, because this part of the books where this gift that Galadriel gives to Gimli is one of my favorites in the books😁.
Amanda: "She killed the Witch-King. On her own!"
Merry: "yes, hi. I'm a hobbit, I'm down here, hello"
Frodo is kind of the perfect example of a soldier that comes back from their respective war and has PTSD or physical wounds that change their lives forever, he isn't the same person he was when he left the Shire, so when he returns and tries to fit back into his life, he feels like a stranger in his own home. Tolkien would have seen so many of his friends die in the war, and being one of the few to return, he too would have felt like a stranger in his own house, like it wasn't his life anymore and that some of the wounds he possessed would never heal. But I'd never go so far as to say it is allegorical, because if you know Tolkien, you'll know he hated allegory.
Also, I'm a girl! LooooL
Tolkien hating allegories is a meme at this point. What he wanted was not to impose his views onto the interpretation of the reader.
Allegories on catholicism, war, the third reich could be dug with spades if we wanted to.
@@lordofchaosinc.261 hence the 'LooooooL'
@@lordofchaosinc.261 I mean, yeah... as I understand it, Tolkien was fine with the applicability of timeless themes woven throughout but had a dislike of direct allegory in the sense of Pilgrim's Progress having the main character named Christian or Aslan being Lion Jesus. IDK makes sense to me because I also dislike plain allegory but LIVE for thematic resonance.
Just because it's not necessarily allegory for the war he fought in, it is a universal truth of all war in general.... because war...
..... war never changes
Honestly, I like never get replies on my comments, so I'm just chillin' lol
Faramir and Eowyn were both sent to the Houses of the Healing (Merry too), where Aragorn cured them from the Black Breath of the Nazgul using the plant Althelas. They did not go to the Black Gate, but remained there until fully healed and fell in love. This is longer in the book than portrayed in the film.
and Pippin was Faramir's Wingman, iirc
@@VergilArcanis For such a quickly written romance, it is SO good in the books. I would have killed for a few more minutes exploring the context... Eowyn being suicidal and demanding to be let out to go to war, and Faramir wanting to learn her story. The two of them bonding as friends. Faramir offering her comfort and showing her attention and respect... Éowyn slowly letting go of the ice in her heart, letting go of grand delusions of glorious death, and beginning to hope. Then Faramir asking if she might desire to stay with him...
"Do you not love me, or will you not?'
'I wished to be loved by another,' she answered. 'But I desire no man's pity.'
'That I know,' he said. 'You desired to have the love of the Lord Aragorn. Because he was high and puissant, and you wished to have renown and glory [...]. And as a great captain may to a young soldier he seemed to you admirable. For so he is [...] But when he gave you only understanding and pity, then you desired to have nothing, unless a brave death in battle. Look at me, Éowyn!'
And Éowyn looked at Faramir long and steadily; and Faramir said: 'Do not scorn pity that is the gift of a gentle heart, Éowyn! But I do not offer you my pity. For you are a lady high and valiant and have yourself won renown that shall not be forgotten; and you are a lady beautiful, I deem, beyond even the words of the elven-tongue to tell. And I love you. Once I pitied your sorrow. But now, were you sorrowless, without fear or any lack, were you the blissful Queen of Gondor, still I would love you. Éowyn, do you not love me?'
Then the heart of Éowyn changed, or else at last she understood it. And suddenly her winter passed, and the sun shone on her.
'I stand in Minas Anor, the Tower of the Sun,' she said; 'and behold! the Shadow has departed! I will be a shieldmaiden no longer, nor vie with the great Riders, nor take joy only in the songs of slaying. I will be a healer, and love all things that grow and are not barren.' And again she looked at Faramir. 'No longer do I desire to be a queen,' she said.
Then Faramir laughed merrily. 'That is well,' he said; 'for I am not a king. Yet I will wed with the White Lady of Rohan, if it be her will [...].'
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'And would you have your proud folk say of you: "There goes a lord who tamed a wild shieldmaiden of the North! Was there no woman of the race of Numenor to choose?" '
'I would,' said Faramir. And he took her in his arms and kissed her under the sunlit sky, and he cared not that they stood high upon the walls in the sight of many. And many indeed saw them and the light that shone about them as they came down from the walls and went hand in hand to the Houses of Healing.
@@ohifonlyx33 Did Eowyn not go on to rule Rohan, as her uncle had wished?
“The hands of a king are the hands of a healer.”
@@VergilArcanis Almost. It was Merry. He's the one who was also nearly killed by the Black Breath (from having stabbed the Witch King in the back of his knee) and was left behind with Faramir and Eowyn when everyone else (including Pippin) marched on the Black Gate.
"She killed the witch King on her own"
Merry, who stabbed the witch King with a magical elven blade: Am I a joke to you?
I think she's gonna read the books and understand the workings of our boi Tolkien. In the meantime; Peter Jackson didn't really clarify those moments, along with why Éowyn and Merry seemingly dying if not for Athelas and "the hands of the king is that of a healer" when he cures them of the black breath. I really hope she does read both The Silmarillion and the LoTR books for full background into the LoTR trilogies. To be fair: For all who just watch the movies without reading the books it seems like "No man can kill me" means "A woman can kill me."
@@drix4275 yeah I get it, was just a light hearted comment in jest. Sure the movie would have been 10 hours long if jackson explained every little detail like that.
... although, that does sound pretty good now I think of it 😅
@@Grumbo91 I've wanted an Extendedest Version for years where the movie is just the books visualized.
In fact, without Merry, her blade would not have harmed the Witch King. While she dealt the fatal blow, Merry’s blade was in fact a elvish blade (similar to Frodo’s sting) and thus was able to destroy the protection around the Witch King that renders him vulnerable to her fatal stab.
Aeowyn has an arc that doesn't end with defeating the Witch King. In the aftermath she does realize that the "glory and honor of war" are just words to help people cope with the horror and tragedy of war. She did what she expected of herself, her duty to herself, but she found scant to celebrate in war.
And Faramir is like-minded. Plans to settle with her in Ithilien and grow things rather than kill...
Carrying the Ring for so long took a HUGE TOLL on Frodo's body and soul. He will never heal there from those wounds, as only the Highest Magic can heal him. so he went to the West with the Elves and the Gods.
SAM also went to the West not long after having many children with Rosey. When she died, he was still alive as carrying the Ring gave him a few extra years of Life. He was honored and given special passage to the West and he went after Rosey passed on
As did Legolas & Gimli a lot later, with Gimli being the only dwarf ever admitted into the Undying Lands. Merry & Pippin were buried next to Aragorn, as well.
One of my favorite aspects of the destruction of the ring scene is that Frodo chooses to take Sam's hand before the ring melts. It sends the signal that Frodo made the active choice to remain alive despite his burden technically still existing and is a testament to who he is as a character.
That is so profound and I never contemplated this… bravo 👏 🎉❤
The fact that the words "If by my life or death I can protect you, I will give you my sword" are sang in Elvish while Aragorn charges at the black gate is everything to me.
Life is about the little things.
In the book, Frodo explained a little more fully why he had to leave Middle-earth: "It must often be so, Sam, when things are in danger: some one has to give them up, lose them, so that others might keep them."
Frodo is broken inside - some hurts can never heal - it's an allegory to the soldiers who came back to an unspoiled England after the horrors of WW1 and no one could really understand what they went through.
Don't say allegory! Tolkien will spin in his grave.
@@BonzoDrummer "I've known writers who use subtext, and they're all cowards."
Allegory is in the eye of the reader, for Tolkien, there was none.
Tolkien hated allegory in all of its forms. Say rather that the situation is similar to, or parallels, the plight of soldiers returning from war.
It is important to note that Eowyn most definitely wod have been strangled to death were it not for Merry's strike at the back of the Witch King's leg.
Hence, it WAS no man that killed him, it was a hobbit and a woman.
Its also not explained in the movie, but the dagger that stabs the Witch King makes him mortal again from the Magic from the Dagger.
@@zakarenaboy I don't think it's conclusive from either the books themselves or Tolkien's other writings that the Barrow-blades have magic that makes the Nazgûl (or perhaps only the Witch-king of Angmar specifically?) mortal. There is obvious evidence to suggest that there is something special about them, but if we take the text literally, then what Merry's blade did was weaken or break the connection between the Witch-king's will and his physical form, which basically means that it rendered him unable to move and therefore helpless even before a wounded and weakened Éowyn. This allowed her to easily stab him in the face, which proved fatal.
However, I don't recall anything in the books that suggests that the Barrow-blades are the only things that can wound the Witch-king, and that once so wounded he can be further wounded or killed by ordinary blades like the one Éowyn had. Tolkien would have said so if that were actually the case, and almost certainly would have made a bigger deal out of the fact that the Hobbits of the Fellowship had them and why, as well as this particular blade's presence just before the Witch-king was killed. He only mentioned what it did, which was render the Witch-king unable to defend himself. He didn't say that an ordinary blade wouldn't have had any effect at all, just not such a pronounced effect. And he never said that the Barrow-blade rendered the Witch-king vulnerable to all weapons, only that it hurt the Witch-king more than other swords would (therefore giving Éowyn with her busted arm more help than normal to defeat the Witch-king).
If Grima could stab Saruman to death with an ordinary knife (or at least wound him so badly that he fell to his death), then I'm pretty sure that no physical form, even the Nazgûl, are invulnerable. I mean, Saruman was a Maia, but even he could still be wounded or even killed by ordinary physical objects, so it stands to reason that the rule would be true of the Nazgûl, as well, who have physical forms. It's just that hardly anyone could even stand up to them because of the sheer terror they magically, in addition to their appearance, inspire. Only the utterly fearless can stand up to them, and that would be Aragorn and Éowyn (at least when defending someone she loved, she was fearless). Even Gandalf feared them, but Aragorn chased them away (they feared him!) and Éowyn actually killed the Witch-king (helped by the special paralyzing effect of Merry's Barrow-blade).
By the way, Glorfindel's prophecy never said that the Witch-king *couldn't* be killed by a Man, but that he *wouldn't* be killed by a Man. Literally, the meanings are different, although some might say that they're effectively the same thing, if you think about it, but the Witch-king didn't stick around at Weathertop to find out whether Aragorn could kill him, he ran away! Of course, prophecies are typically tricky when it comes to interpretation. No one suspected that "man" referred to gender rather than race, by which Éowyn was a Man (i.e. mortal human), but she still killed the Witch-king, so he was wrong that no Man could/would kill him. If Aragorn had intended to kill the Witch-king at Weathertop (probably not, for various reasons, but if), then he could have, but the Witch-king ran away, so Aragorn wouldn't have killed him. Maybe the Witch-king was aware of the difference between would and could, and decided that it was fated that he would leave the area. 🙂 But he wasn't afraid of Éowyn, which proved to be his undoing. Normally I think that any Nazgûl would get out of Dodge if they encountered a skilled fighter who is fearless enough to stand up to them, and only pursue easier prey (even Gandalf was easier prey because he was afraid--nearly everyone was terrified out of their minds in the presence of the Nazgûl).
@@zakarenaboy I dont think it even counts in the film, merry does not have the barrow blade in the film, the sword he gets in the first film is take from him when him and pippin are captured, so is the dagger he got from Galadriel as neither are seen post fellowship of the ring.
@@rbrtck The barrow-blades were crafted specifically to damage and render weak the undead by expert weaponsmiths of Arthedain during a war against the Witch-King. Numenorian high technology specifically designed to wreck Nazgul and their underlings.
Charge of the Rohirrim always gets me feeling some sort of way. That feeling never fades over the last 20 years.
Edit: in the books, the legends say the hands of the King can heal. So when he calls Faramir and Eowyn back from the brink of death people realize the king has returned.
Double edit: a shadow had set on Frodo that he couldnt shake. Between getting stabbed by the Morgul Blade and the ring he had to go to find peace. He and Bilbo go to Tol Eressa in the west, off the shores of the undying lands of Valinor. Sam joins him in his old age after Rosie passes.
Legolas and Gimli go on adventures together and eventually Legolas takes him to the Undying Lands. The only dwarf to ever be allowed in the west.
Aragorn eventually passes when he is over 200 years old and Arwen goes into the woods and dies of grief.
If you want some REAL FEELS with respect to that scene, check out the scene set to narration of the text of the book as read by Tolkien himself. ua-cam.com/video/LWxnHuVEwUg/v-deo.html
Excellent, succinct summary! 😸
"over the last 20 years"
what? I remember watching these movies in the cinema when they came out, it can't possibly be 20 years... oh god I feel old now
Oh wow, i had no idea. Thanks for sharing this. It's feels good to read that Sam and Frodo could be reunited 💜 and Arwen dying of grief in the woods breaks my heart.
@@amandamiquilena Sam served an unpresidented 7 terms as Mayor of Michel Delving (Shire mayor)! He had a lot...like a lot of kids too. Lol
Yep, Frodo is writing a book -- in the world building of Tolkien, the Lord of the Rings was written by Frodo and then found and translated by Tolkien for modern readers.
Frodo was going with elves to their world. Sam was the author, who have written the book. Read the book. Stop tell us fairy-tales.
Please shut your mouth when you don't know what you're talking about. @@tiptop3922
You say "He is not a Strider anymore" when Aragorn gets his crown, but funny enough: In the Books he took the Name Elessar for himself, meaning "Elfstone" after a Jewel he got from Galadriel, and Telcontar for his Dynasty. Telcontar being the Sindarin word for Strider.
So he made his whole dynasty into Striders ;)
Very deep lore mate
Are you serious? That is really cool! 👀
But he never returned to being a ranger.
Alot of people have already said, and are going to say in future comments, that Frodo left due to having so much trauma from carrying the ring to getting stabbed twice. He went into the 'Promised Land' to put it one way, where he would know unending peace. Same goes for Sam after being voted Mayor of the Shire about 14 times. Also, when Legolas went to the Undying Lands after many long years he managed to bring Gimli with him, the first Dwarf ever to reach them lands such was their strong friendship.
Also, a sad side note. When Frodo narrates from 'And thus it was..', Peter Jackson made Elijah Woods do that monologue again and again, about a dozen times because it was the last thing the actor ever did for the LOTR trilogy. PJ simply couldn't let the magic end, he didn't want to finish filming because that meant all of the crew and actors and actresses wouldn't be together; he was so invested in it, filming the films was very personal to him.
My favorite line in the whole film series:
"My friends, you bow... to no one." That scene brings a tear to me eye, every time.
"I never knew why this society thought that Hobbit's weren't capable of doing things." That's because traditionally they kept to themselves in the Shire. They normally didn't travel, or care about things in other lands. As it showed at the beginning of the story in 'Fellowship', they worried about growing food, eating, being comfortable. That's what makes the journey of the Hobbits here, and Bilbo's journey in 'The Hobbit' so remarkable.
The reason for Frodo leaving at the end: The quest left him too broken and traumatized. Every familiar sight was a reminder of what he fought for and what he went through. And he realized it will never bring him comfort to be in the Shire again. And Gandalf sensed that about him, too. So Gandalf convinced the elves to allow Frodo to join them and ease the remainder of his life.
It's actually very moving that Tolkien wrote this ending for Frodo, because it acknowledges the very real truth that there are some experiences that you can't recover from, and that is an important thing to acknowledge
"I am no man"
And neither is Merry. Together they both killed the Nazgul king.
Because of the wounding he sustained from stabbing the Nazgul he did not go to the the battle before the black gates. Pippin was the only Hobbit there and he nearly died slaying a giant troll. So they both got their glory in battle in the end, just at separate times and at separate battles. Pippin's additional act of valor was in saving Faramir from his father's madness.
Frodo reminds me of one of the authors behind HBO's _The Pacific;_ apparently after the war he had severe PTSD and nightmares of his experiences but he refused to talk to anybody about it. Finally his wife after being woken up by his frights one too many times suggested (or demanded) that he should _write_ about his experiences in a book, as a way to process his trauma in a way his ego could rationalize as "work". His book ended up being half of the HBO show and a piece of education.
The thing about Frodo people (both inside and outside the story) miss is that Frodo never defeated the Ring. Not that anyone blames him. The Ring was doing everything in its power to _not fall._ Unfortunately the Ring was just _too good at being damn sexy_ and accidentally pulled Gollum into the chat. Nonetheless Frodo never let go of it, and he'll never know if he _could_ let go of it now that it's gone.
To me it's telling that Sam went on to be the big mayor and patriarch of the Shire, while Frodo is the one who ended up wandering the outskirts and old barrows and writing "The Lord of the Rings" in solitude.
100% Frodo wasn't just writing it for the hell of it; dude _definitely_ had ringwraith-related night terrors.
"She (Eowyn) killed the Witch King on her own!"
Merry: "Am I a joke to you?"
“She killed the witch king on her own” ignores merry 😭
Frodo was granted the privilege of sailing to Valinor where the Valar live because he carried a Ring of Power. Additionally, his wounds on Weathertop were so deep and extreme that he could only ever be fully healed if he sailed to the Undying Lands as the Elves call Valinor. Later on, Sam would be granted the privilege to join Frodo in Valinor because he briefly carried the One Ring. Additionally, Gimli would be the first and only dwarf to be granted permission to sail with Legolas to Valinor.
That makes Gimli the only dwarve aside the seven fathers, to see Aulë.
@@jarlnils435 a sequel to LOTR set in Valinor would have been epic
@@BetterCallThall yes but long in the future, when Melkor escapes and the last battle is fought. When Ar Parazon and his men are called by the Valar to fight, Turin with his dwarven mask, Tuor and Turgon and the sons of Fëanor, all those who were enemies of Melkor over all the ages come to the last battle and Melkor calls all his servants from the deeps.
And when he is finally defeated, Valar and Eldar and Aftercomers sing together with Eru a new music. And this time everything is, how it was wanted by Eru. And the Ents find their wifes and dwarves help Aulë to repair the world and all together they work hand in hand to heal the world.
When Pippin finds Merry and answers his question, "Are you going to leave me?" with, "I'm going to look after you," we see a reversal of their roles toward each other. Until then, it had been Merry who had always looked after Pippin. Pippin has grown up now.
In the book he asks, “Are you going to bury me?”
You really need to read the books, it will explain Eowyn's injury and how Aragon saved her life. It will also show more depth of how Eowyn and Faramir met and the development of their Love. You will learn how the King rewarded Faramir and how the King traveled so far with the Hobbits on their way home. You will learn how as the Hobbits returned, they found the Shire had been invaded and occupied by evil folks. The four Hobbits then rallied the Shire to revolt and overthrow the evil folks, thus becoming heroes in the Shire. You will learn the gifts Frodo gave Sam and his family, and why he left the Shire with the Elves and Gandalf.
No one should NEED tô read anything to understand the movie
FYI: Sam's daughter (that he held in his arm) at the end of the movie, was the actor Sean Aston's actual daughter. She's now college age. I believe there were other family members of the LOTR cast that had cameo appearances too.
In the Two Towers: The boy who says to Aragorn in Helm's Deep: "The men are saying we will not live out the night, they are saying it is hopeless", is Viggo's actual son - who convinced him to take the part of Aragorn in the first place because he was a massive fan of Lord of the Rings!
@@acrefray No he's not. Thats someone else important's son. Viggo's son is next to him. This was said on another reaction and it turned into like a 200 post thread. But that one's not Viggo's son.
Peter Jackson is the burping Bree man in fellowship, a rohirrim throwing a spear at helm's deep, and the pirate who takes the arrow in the return.
Tolkien's grandson is the guy handing out weapons in osgiliath in the return. Viggo lent him the aragorn wig for the part and you can see he has a bit of a grin going on.
In fellowship of the rings when Bilbo told the story to the small hobbitchildren, the little girl that you see there is the Director Peter Jackson's daughter
BTW in the book the witch king wouldn't have stood a chance against Gandalf in a fight. Peter Jackson added that scene to make sure the audience felt like we might lose here.
Eowyn didn't kill the Witch King on her own. Merry stabbing him behind the knee made him vulnerable to her attack because his sword was a magic sword made to kill the Witch King. No Merry, no victory.
What about the Mithril shirt?
In the book the spider does not have a stinger at the end of his abdomen. She bites with fangs. Frodo runs toward the pass and Shelob emerges suddenly from a tunnel and runs up behind Frodo and swiftly bites him on the neck. All this plays out in front of a horrified Sam
The Shire was terrorized by Saruman in the books. They left it out in the movies but the extended editions hint about it when Mary and Pipen find the shire goods at Isenguard. Saruman had already sent men to take it over.
An important part of the story that was left out of the movie . But then people said before Peter Jackson made Tolkien's Trilogy - that it was unfilmable - he certainly proved them wrong . Many elements had to be left out , but he certainly got the essence of the story right !
@@unstrung65 it is showed as a small easter egg in the well of galadriel, in lothlorien in the fellowship
The one star ... the "beauty up there." Sam is commenting that despite circumstances and the evil that permeates the world, there is a force and a power for good that is above all and will remain no matter what happens. In Tolkien's theology that is Eru Illuvatar, the One Father, who sent Gandalf back and meant for Frodo to have the ring.
You are correct: Bravery is not lack of fear. Bravery is doing things even you are affraid. Absence of fear fear is madness or death wish. Like my former drill instructor said: Soldier who fights without fear, is seeking death or has gone mad. Personally I think Denethor's maddness is one of the greatest tragedies on the book. Denethor was noble, fair and just man, who became mad using too much seeing stone as Sauron poisoned his mind and striped away all of his hope piece by piece and poisoning his mind every time Denethor used it. John Noble is amazing as mad Denethor.
Gimli: Never thought I’d die fighting side by side with an Elf.
Legolas: How about side by side with a friend?
Gimli: Aye….I could do that.
I love how their relationship has progressed this far. You’ll probably appreciate this point much more if you’ve read the books, particularly _The Silmarillion_ .
To be fair, Eowyn and Faramir had a bit more time to get together in the book. We see just enough in the movie to know they both get the happy ending they deserve.
This feels like dangerous territory to get into, but most people who complain about "woke" wouldn't and don't think of Eowyn's story that way, because everyone identifies with her wanting to fight and protect her loved ones. The fact that Tolkien wrote her that way ages ago, when times were much different, suggests that this is a timeless, universal sentiment.
In the book, Eowyn's deception is a lot more extravagant, and she actually passes herself off as a man named Dernhelm. Even Merry doesn't realize who she is until she unmasks herself before the Witch King.
From the book: "Still she did not blench: maiden of Rohirrim, child of kings, slender but as a steel-blade, fair yet terrible. A swift stroke she dealt, skilled and deadly. The outstretched neck she clove asunder, and the hewn head fell like a stone. Backward she sprang as the huge head crashed to ruin, vast wings outspread crumpled on the earth; and with its fall the shadow passed away. A light fell about her, and her hair shone in the sunrise."
Eowyn got the killing blow. It was Merry who tore down The Witch King's defenses with the first strike and made him vulnerable.
Although I love the movies, they did not portray Denethor justly. Without him, there would not be a Gondor to save. He actually was worn out from using the Palanthir of Minas Tirith in his struggle against Sauron and Mordor and no longer the once great man he used to be.
this story was meant to make you both happy and sad at the same time, it was written brilliantly and sincerely
I have watched several people react / review this trilogy. The greatest of all in my opinion. I must say that your comments are the most moving I've ever witnessed on Y.T. You felt it all and I'm glad I came by.
Be safe!
She's a proper militant. And also probably a dwarf.
@@samwallaceart288 She very well could be.
I busted up laughing at “what if he’s dead and this is, like, heaven?” When Frodo is laughing with Gandalf at the end, because I was thinking the same lol
"Last thing I remember, I was pretty much dying. And Gandalf had died too, right? Now we're here, wearing white, with all these bright lights..."
Ive literally rewatched this movie trilogy the most out of anything because I love it so much. It still hits the same everytime and honestly I find it almost therapeutic. Its always amazing to see others first experience with this trilogy and their reactions, Ive enjoyed this reaction series a lot.
I think everyone who watches your channel was waiting for that reaction to Eowyn killing the Witch King. It's a great moment. She had to believe she was going to die, and yet she still stood between this monster and her father to protect him. That's a hero.
*Uncle. But point well made
Theoden was Eowyn's uncle, rather than father, but I'll forgive you that, for such a nice comment.
Amanda: "Eowyn killed the Witch King on her own."
"On her own"
Before the "I am no man" scene:
*Merry stabs the Witch King, releasing Eowyn from his choke grip*
@@juanencabo2845 Merry made the Witch King killable and Eowyn finished him off. Neither of them being a man.
Exactly!! I saw her jump in and my heart stopped haha. That alone certainly takes a lot of courage! Oh and THANK YOU for your donation :)
"You bow to no one" gets me every fucking time.
Thank you for reacting to this trilogy! Watching these movies for the first time is truly an incredible experience. It was a pleasure sharing that experience with you.
Why did Frodo have to leave? He was granted permission to go to Aman (the undying land) where all the Elves are leaving to. It was a privilege extended to him by the angels and gods (Maiar and Valar) that dwell there because he was a ring bearer and it left spiritual wounds in Frodo that would never heal.
It left both spiritual & physical wounds.
iirc, while Bilbo, Frodo and later on Sam were extended an invitation to the Undying Lands because they were ring-bearers, Frodo's wounds he was suffering from were as a result of being pierced by the Morgul blade at Amon Hen, and could only be healed by sailing west.
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I'm not sure words will ever express what this film does to me.
I've watched this 3rd film more times than I can remember, I've seen almost EVERY reaction to it.
I am a mess every damn time. The score, the acting. The cinematography... its cinematic perfection and it hits my very soul.
I weep every time... every damn time.
Sean Austin gave the performance of a lifetime. (I hope gomez is proud )
The fact that he didn't win a Oscar is a shame.
Actually the stab from Merry was with a special dagger that severs the undead from this world, allowing the witch king to be killed.
When I was little, my older brother and I made a song and dance about how the Lord of the Rings Return of the King is our favorite movie, and we used to do our song/dance routine right before watching this movie together :) We didn't do it for the first two movies though haha. As an adult, I cry every time when Eowyn says "I am no man", as well as when Aragon bows to the hobbits and everyone else bows too. Soo powerful. As always, loved your reaction :) Thanks for the shoutout too! ^_^
Frodo was wearing the chainmail, in the book I believe he got stabbed in the neck, but I guess for the movie they thought this looked more cinematic.
Correct, the book does have Frodo being stung in the neck. So does the movie script. For some reason the final visual effects make it look otherwise. It’s noteworthy that Frodo’s mithril shirt also doesn’t fit him very well (not surprising given that it was not made for a hobbit), leaving his neck and upper chest exposed, but that doesn’t explain the visual appearance of the stinging scene or the lack of any fresh wound on Frodo’s neck in following scenes.
It's not necessarily that Frodo *has* to leave, it was offered to him and he chose to leave. Just like he says in the epilogue, "some wounds never fully heal, some hurts go too deep". He leaves because there's nothing left for him in the Shire, not after what he's gone through, so he joins with the elves and others in their heavenly land in the West.
She didn't kill the witch King on her own, merry stabbed him with an ancient elven(edit, corrected to Dunedain) blade from the Barrow downs. She was about to die until that point, but the now vulnerable and near helpless witch King could then be finished off by Eowyn.
Frodo had to leave partly because of his injury needing treatment only the elves could give, partly for his company for Bilbo but mainly because he and Bilbo were ringbearers.
Footnote, Blade being of that human source and deadly to the Witch King would stand to reason, due to the Barrows it was found in being human and in the old northern kingdom attacked by Angmar (and this wraith in particular).
Exactly
Sam also was a ringbearer a bit and he sailed to Undying lands in the end
The Barrow-Blades were not of Elvish make, but humans. Specifically the Dúnedain.
@@sourstuff From _The Return of the King_ Chapter 6, "The Battle of the Pelennor Fields":
_So passed the sword of the Barrow-downs, work of Westernesse. But glad would he have been to know its fate who wrought it slowly long ago in the North-kingdom when the Dúnedain were young, and chief among their foes was the dread realm of Angmar and its sorcerer king. No other blade, not though mightier hands had wielded it, would have dealt that foe a wound so bitter, cleaving the undead flesh, breaking the spell that knit his unseen sinews to his will._
@@evenmoor yes, thank u for showing source material evidence for my claim.
When Sam wakes up, from the book: “Gandalf! I thought you were dead! But then I thought I was dead myself. Is everything sad going to come untrue? What's happened to the world?"
A great Shadow has departed," said Gandalf, and then he laughed and the sound was like music, or like water in a parched land; and as he listened the thought came to Sam that he had not heard laughter, the pure sound of merriment, for days upon days without count.”
I'm a girl watching this! I watch all LOTR reactions bc I'm obsessed with all things Tolkein and I love your reactions!
Amanda, I did make it this far. Quite the journey, I read these stories as a young teen. More than 50 years later I saw the movies in the cinema. And, now I experience the wonder once again through your eyes. Thanks for a fun time. Enjoy more stories like these. The books are a bit different. If you read them you will have these movies to help you imagine what orcs and goblins and hobbits look like. For me, it was all in my imagination from the written words and descriptions. There is much more to discover, enjoy!
Bearers of the rings of power were given the blessing to go to the undying lands. Plus his injuries remained and tore at him. Sam got to go as well after his kids and family were gone since he had the ring for a short time as well
Eowyn killed the Witch King with the help of Merry, who also is not a man. In the book, the knife Merry used was specirfically made by the elves to be used against the Witch King in ancient days.
There are already lots of lovely comments, but three main things from the books that may help! It was said in Gondor that the hands of the true king were the hands of a healer, and it was a sign of Aragorn's nature that he was. Eowyn and Faramir fell in love after many weeks spent recovering in the Houses of Healing together, not just a day or two, lol. Finally, Saruman was actually still alive near the end and had gone to the Shire and kind of taken it over. The four hobbits had to take back the Shire for themselves with their newfound strengths and experiences! Way too much to fit in the movies, of course, so that was all nixed. Lovely reaction video!
Girl here! 🙋♀️ I like your reactions to LOTR. I've watched every part. I will watch more of your content.
When Gandalf showed up with the eagles to rescue Frodo and Sam, he had three eagles. The reason for the third eagle is that Gandalf still had hope that Smeagol could be saved.
That would be very nice and beautiful, but it's not true. Gandalf was not a fool, he knew that with the destruction of the ring, Gollum would die, at the same time that the foundations of Barad-Dur fell, the Black Gate was destroyed, the power of the three elven kings disappeared... Gollum was almost 600 years old dude, it's impossible that he survived the destruction of the ring.
@@manel4361 "...the power of the three elven kings disappeared..." Their power had come from the one ring by way of the three rings given to the elves? We know what happened to the human kings who'd had rings -- so I assume their rings were returned to Sauron -- but what ever happened with the dwarves' rings?
@@bigdream_dreambig some dwarven rings were recovered by Sauron, and some were destroyed by dragons.
Actually in the books the dead weren't in the battle of Minas Tirith. Aragorn released them right after they helped him save the port city and kill all the corsairs. Btw even tho the extended version is more than four hours long, the book is way way longer. There is a lot of stuff left out, in the books it is better explained why Faramir and Eowyn ended up together.
The relationship of Faramir and Eowyn develops over a longer time than a short time. It’s actually several days or a couple weeks. Though it’s not shown in the movie.
Aragorn may have still needed the undead army, but they fulfilled their oath and he had no just reason to keep them. Another instance of Aragorn showing his noble character.
Tolkien being a Christian, probably believed that Heaven helps those who help themselves.
The Valar are the gods of the world, and the giant eagles are the servants of Manwë, the king of the Valar. The giant eagles will not do the work of people for them, which means they would not take the fellowship and fly them all the way to Mount Doom. However, when people do great deeds and need just a little help, the eagles may provide a wing, a gift from Heaven if you will.
Edit: Frodo was injured by the Nazgul and by Shelob (the big spider). Combined with the effects of the ring, the injuries ran deep and the hurt came back every year. For his bravery, he was offered a place in Valinar, home of the Valar and the immortal elves. Frodo and Bilbo will be able to heal and die in peace. Sam, who hold the ring for a day or two, will also go to Valinar near the end of his life, after the death of his wife. Sam lived a long life, being elected mayor of the Shire 7 times.
"Heaven helps those who help themselves" or "God helps those who help themselves" are not Christian teachings. That phrase came from Aesop's Fables where a man is trapped under a cart and he cries out for Ulysses to save him. The moral of that story is: "The gods help those who help themselves." So it's actually a Greek paganism belief (because their gods weren't real, they couldn't do anything; so their worshippers were on their own).
@@bryanmyers5620 I am not a religious scholar, i will defer to you the origin of that saying.
Tolkien is known to recycle old concept. The documentaries in the Extended Editions mentioned at least 2:
- "The trees are moving" first referred to men disguised as trees. Tolkien wrote the Ents.
- "A man not born from a woman" referred to a man born by c-section. Tolkien took inspiration from that and came with "The witch-king will not meet his end by the hand of a man", meaning that a hobbit and a woman will kill him.
Consistently in the Silmarillion, the Hobbit and the Lord of the Rings, the eagles give the little help required to complete heroic tasks, but did not do the tasks for the people of Middle-Earth. I maintain my interpretation.
In the books Eowyn and Faramir spent weeks getting to know each other while recovering from there injuries. Glad to see and witness your emotional journey, take care from New Zealand 🇳🇿 aka Middle Earth
Have been waiting for you to upload the last part so I could binge away freely.. love your reactions.. thank you 🙏
18:45 "The hands of the king are the hands of a healer, and so shall the rightful king be known."
Eowyn killed the Fell Beast the Witch King rode, on her own, but she comboed the Witch King with Merry. Did you see? Merry's strike was critical!
Frodo's little monologue in Bag-end explains why he had to leave, "How do you go back to an old life" "There are some wounds that never heal" "There is no going back" etc. He was forever changed by the journey, by the ring, and by the nazgul's knife. He couldn't return to a simple happy life like nothing had happened. And he did stay in the Shire for 3 more years after he got back if you catch the "Its been 4 years to the day since Weathertop" line. Fantastic reaction by the way, I love your videos!
In the books Saruman has lead Orcs to attack the Shire. Marry and Pepen gathered forces to fight back the Orcs and saved Shire.
Sam had 13 children btw and became the mayor of Shire. Later after Rosys death Sam also traveled to the undying land where he met Frodo again.
Sam's "old gaffer" was originally Bilbo's neighbour and gardener at Bag End. Sam is his Grandson. (In rural England and Wales many elderly men are referred to as "Gaffers", a colloquial corruption of the word "Grandfather")
So happy they are releasing this again in a theater near me in a couple days since I never got to see it in theaters before cuz I'm too young
10:54 thats what this epic timeless scene delivers :) this entire scene, from appearance to charge through, gives goosebumps and wet eyes.
I FREAKING LOVE WATCHING WITH YOU!! especially this series, i get so excited when you post. I’m not very good at social interaction so I don’t have many friends but I love watching movies and shows. You’re one of my favorite creators AHHHH SHOW IS STARTING
The relationship between Faramir and Eowyn takes longer and is better fleshed out in the books. They are a great couple.
You are a wonderful human being. I love the way you react to the emotional scenes besides you being a very beautiful woman. You deserve all the happiness you can get from this dark but also bright world.
32:00 Tolkien said in one of his letters that no being could resist the power of the ring and drop it into Mount Doom. Isildur and Frodo were not too weak to resist the One Ring, it's that the ring is irresistible.
And yet Bilbo and Sam where the only ones that was able to let go of the ring, the only reluctance from sam was becourse of concern and love for Frodo, and what the ring was doing to him.
@@marcusfridh8489 sure, but I'm talking more about willfully destroying the ring. Frodo and Isidur both had the chance, but couldn't resist the power of the ring and kept it for themselves.
Eowyn and Faramir falling in love seems fast in the movies because it was shown interspersed with the battle at the Black Gate and Frodo/Sam. In the books, they both have to spend a lot of time in the Houses of Healing after all the battles, which is where they meet and eventually fall in love. I suspect that it was hard to figure out where to put those scenes in the movie, which is why they didn't make it to the theatrical version. Putting the scenes at the end would have lengthened an already lengthy ending sequence, so for the extended version, they had to sort of just fit them in. I'm glad they did, I love these two together!
The epilogue of the book tells that Legolas, Gimli, and Sam would all sail to the Undying Lands (Valinor) may years later. So, there's quite a reunion of the Fellowship there. Merry and Pippin would ride to Minas Tirith and spend their last days with King Elessar, and would be laid to rest on either side of him in his tomb.
In the books the dagger that Merry uses against the Witch King of Angmar is found in a place near the Shire, called Barrow-downs and not gifted by Galadriel. The dead of an ancient war against the Kingdom of Angmar (far North) were buried there with their magic imbued weapons, which were made specifically to make the Witch King vulnerable. In the first movie Galadriel says about the daggers "they have already seen battle" so there she also is talking about that. The Nazgul are "ethereal", so to speak, so although they don't like water nor fire you need magic to actually harm them. So if Merry didn't use that specific magic he would have died instead of harming his arm and she couldn't have killed the Witch king.
Of course, if Eowyn was a man she wouldn't have taken Merry with her and she would have died :D
Can't wait to get through this! Love your reactions so far!
lol eowin and farimir just met in screen time, in page time they had a long and difficult recovery after both losing loved ones on the same day and spent a great deal of time supporting each other through it
"OK Ryan, you've seen this 1,000 times. Keep it together."
"My friends you bow to noone."
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Im really impressed by your Intelligence, a Reaction channel needs an entertaining personality buts it`s extra great when you are very perceptive and can notice almost everything in the first go
Excellent reaction video Amanda- what a great way to wrap up this trilogy. Thank you for sharing your humor and insight with your viewers.
What I found really interesting in this movie is the kind of magic Gandalf and Sauron use. Wizards, Sauron and some other being are Maiar-lesser gods or angels if you will. And they can shape the way Earth is and will be. So when Gandalf says to Balrog: you shall not pass, he simply shape the way things will happen. Same when Sauron said Witch king can not be killed by a man(he would never imagina woman would kill him). Or when Gandalf says: saruman, your staff is broken. That is what Maiar and Valar can do. Also music and singing is so important in this movies because in books world began with a song, which I find very beautiful.
And in the second movie when treebeard talked about ent wives. in books they dissapeared because they wanted to create fields and grow vegetable etc. so they left to south I think but problem was that Sauron had later taken over the south and ent wives have sadly perished. Ent husbands did not went with them because they liked to take care of forests. So that is why ents departed from each other.
These movies and books mean a lot to me. Especially the wisdom they bring in to this world.
The daggers that Galadriel gave Merry and Pippin were specifically made to kill Nazgul. Them being hit by one of those means they are no longer invulnerable. Thus, when Merry stabbed the Witch King, he opened him up for Eowyn's deathblow.
In the film, The Shire was spared almost all involvement in the wars, and the Shire Hobbits knew nothing of what the Fellowship had done. To them, Frodo was just another Hobbit like Bilbo Tookish heritage had led him to go off on an adventure. So, the old Hobbit gives them that disgusted look.
The book has a very different ending in which The Shire has been oppressed by a certain fugitive from the Wars, and the Fellowship Hobbits are forced to fight, and Hobbits fighting on both sides, to die before it's removed. The reality was not far from what Frodo saw in Galadriel's mirror. But the disposition of Frodo and Bilbo was much as in the film. As ringbearers, both were accorded places on the elf ship to the West. And it is implied that one day Sam, who was also a ringbearer for a short time, will follow.
I much prefer the movie ending for the shire, how it's left untouched by all of this
@@anangelcalledtoday8750 I'm sure many will. But in the context of the times in which Tolkein wrote partly in response, that's simply not that world. Evil is never isolated, consuming the world but leaving pristine pockets of sweetness, not for long. It reverberates everywhere. Black wreaths and gold stars change everything. Insignificant Scottish villages were bombed in WWII, simply because they were easy east coast targets. Social structures in Central Africa were destroyed forever when cropping changed from food to products no longer available from Asia. Aleut villagers who had known little or nothing about events in Europe spent three years in rough evacuation camps during the Aleutian campaign.
Then as in the story, the world changed, so much so that it was in both cases truly the beginning of a new age of the world. I often think the Shire Hobbits knew a lot more about what was happening but chose, as people do, to deny it and disbelieve and were therefore victims when evil came to them.
All the ring bearers left Middle-Earth in the end. Even Sam, who bore the ring only briefly, left to follow Frodo many years later.
Frodo is hurt in different ways. Physically, he is still hurt from being stabbed by the Witch King. Mentally and spiritually, he was tortured for the entire quest by the ring. If he remains in Middle Earth, he will never heal, physically, mentally, or spiritually. His only chance to be whole again is to travel with the elves to the Undying Lands. This is also true (mentally and spiritually) for Bilbo which is why he also is going. Eventually (told in the books) Sam even travels to the Undying Lands as he too was a ring bearer for a short time.
Tolkien has stated that no one would have been able to destroy the ring in the end. There, at the place it was made, it was too powerful and no person would have enough willpower to overcome it. The fact that Frodo was even trying to let it drop into the fire says much about his character, especially as weak as he was from the journey and constantly battling with the ring. Ultimately, it was pity and kindness (first Bilbo's then Frodo's) that allowed Gollum to be where he was needed to cause the destruction of the ring and save the world.
Great job with these reactions Amanda. I love your authentic quirky and subtle style. I'm glad you enjoyed this story. It's one of the best. It's so loaded with substance and meaning. Best wishes for you and your channel.
The film makers forget about Frodo's mithril surcoat. In the book she stabs him in the neck. It's great that you picked up on something that even the Director/writers didn't remember :)
That's wrong. If you go and look where Frodo's scar from the stab is you will see that its above where the Mithril covers.
Thank you so much. Very happy to have found your channel through your LOTR journey!
FINALLY!!! Someone took notice of Gandalf’s reaction to watching the tower fall. Sure, it’s a very short moment but that look on his face and those tears in his eyes summon up everything that they’ve had to endure to get to that point. Nothing mattered in that moment of pure joy but knowing that all the pain and suffering they endured was worth it in the end.
5:54 Yes. 😠 The book specifically says (at least twice) that she stung him in the neck. Jackson inexplicably has her stab him in the chest or stomach. Another change that causes unnecessary confusion. 🤦♂
Brilliant reaction. Thank you for all your time and effort in making and uploading these reactions 😀
In the novel, Saruman (who survives the attack on Isengard), nearly destroys the Shire, burning and fouling it and hiring "ruffian men" to ruin it. The four returning hobbits, especially Merry and Pippin, foment a rebellion against him and bring the Shire back under Hobbit control in about 48 hours, which shows how much they have grown from their experience. Then Sam (with the help of a tiny box of Lorien soil given to him by Galadriel) replants all the ruined trees.
It isn't really explained in the movie but Merry had a magic dagger that was given to him by the elves, he stabbed the Witch King, that broke a protective spell that was on the Witch King, and also Eowyn was a woman and not a man and totally owned The Witch King. But Merry did help to. Doesn't take away from how amazing she is though
Amazing reaction, thank you. I'm surprised you held out so long before crying, but it gets just about everyone eventually. As for your comments on this movie potentially being seen as "woke", it's definitely not. It's a perfect example of how to show female empowerment and criticise the archaic ideals Men hold against Women, without undermining the male characters (or hobbits, elfs and dwarfs) to push that message. Like you said it is perfect writing, and a perfect example of how social justice can be effectively put across without being patronising or undermining anyone else. This story was written by a man born in the late 1800's, so progressive thinking is not a new thing. It was just done properly with good writing.
Wrong, wrong, wrong. Tolkien hated allegory. He was never 'woke' in any sense of the word. He was never 'progressive'. He was a devout Catholic, from which his values and ideas stemmed, and had no interest whatsoever in inserting political messages into his work. He said as much in his letters.
Stop trying to spin Tolkien into some blue haired progressive deviant.
You are coming at it from a modern attitude expecting to find female empowerment. This is not the case. Eowyn is a tragic figure who is wanting to die a glorious death in battle because she's been rejected by the man she was infatuated with. She almost got her wish but was saved by Aragorn who healed those who were infected with the black breath including her, Merry, and Faramir.
What you term "archaic", is simply women being women and men being men. The world has gone crazy trying to make women into men and men into women.
@@bryanmyers5620 When written in 1937, A man portraying female characters that went to war (for whatever reason, it's irrelevant!) was progressive in its attiude to how women were perceived and written. Regardless of Tolkien's intentions in writing this, it is still a perfect example of female empowerment in literature. .As for the ideals of men going to war and women staying at home, it is an archaic ideal. It's not "Women being Women and Men being Men", because not all Women subscribe to that archaic ideal and not all men subscribe to it either. It's clear from Tolkien's writing that he didn't subscribe to it, as Eowyns situation was written in way to provide the character with that empowered moment, which goes against those archaic ideals. You can choose to believe it's not meant to be an example of empowerment, but it is, like it or not!
@@SirHilaryManfat It's not an archaic ideal, it is the backbone of society. Thus, the breaking of said backbone results in the mess we have today. God made man. God formed woman from man. God married them and formed the family. He makes the rules, not us. When women decided that being like a Man was more important than being a woman, the family unit suffered a huge blow. A Nation without strong families is weak. All feminism is, is a rebellion against God, men and femininity.
@@bryanmyers5620 What a surprise, using religion as a reason to push an archaic sexist agenda. Goes hand in hand with religion and always has. Also, God doesn't exist and the Bible is written by (obviously sexist led) Men. Stop being so brainwshed!