Helko Werks 28" Scout Vs Fiskars 28" Chopping Axe (Felling Trees)
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- Опубліковано 19 вер 2024
- Helko Werks Scout Vs Fiskars 28" Chopping AXE Battle Felling 40 foot trees is a great show down for anyone interested in these two great axe making companies. You have Germany vs. Finland, both great countries producing quality products see this video for an honest review after felling two equal size trees and discussing Pro's and Con's in my opinion. Great Must have Bushcrafting axes.
Fiskars handles breaking is an old fools tale. Ive used them for years with no issues, I own three generations of them as well and even the pre X series aren't weak. The new black handled ones do not have powdercoated heads, the previous models actually have a teflon impregnated coating but the new black handled ones it is just a cheap black paint. For an actual working axe, get Fiskars but for bragging rights or "Bushcraft" member comparison, go with something else I guess although there isn't a single axe out there that can match the Fiskars value.
I agree. I actually own a Fiskars 28" and a Helko Werks 28" Classic(cost me $86.00, years ago). I got the Classic because, basically I was "brainwashed" by "Prepper/Survivalists/Bushcrafters" into the belief that one "could replace the handle" if need be. Between the two, come SHTF, I'd leave the Classic and take the Fiskars. I can't see creating a handle for the Classic that easily(after much thought) and have never actually seen a Fiskars break NATURALLY. Now, if you're building on a smaller scale, a hawk will do and replacing that handle is much easier. In fact, after much thought, the same goes with knives and machetes. It would seem that "bargain priced" of both work equally well against higher priced knives and machetes that the above named will suggest you NEED, when in reality such is not the case at all. JMHO.
@@gregzeigler3850 my fancy axe is a Spanish Hachas Jauregui, not cheap and a rather unique head design but the haft fits like a tomahawk. I really like it but it is a newer acquisition a couple of years back. Seems to work really well.
@@turtlewolfpack6061 I have a forged steel hawk(Forged English Light Infantry Axe) 4 years old now and $2 cheaper, then. It was inexpensive, but does the job well on smaller trees(which most build from anyway). I have put it to use several times, now. My point is, one doesn't have to spend a ton for equivalent type equipment. It is hype,foolishness and actually a waste of money.
@@gregzeigler3850 I agree 100%.
It’s amazing the bad reviews Fiskars get. They have been making axes for 370 years, I guess they know a thing or two or they would be out of business. I use my Fiskars every day, I sharpen it after every session even though it does not need it and it is as good today as the day I bought it. My wooden hafted axes sit unused in the corner of my workshop, not because they are bad axes, they are not, but just because the Fiskars is better.
Yea I love my fiskars axe as well use that almost always!
I think your review is very educational. As a one-time Carpenter (many years ago) I had a fibre-glass handled hammer which never failed me. I have never had issues with wooden axe handles that were not previously damaged and /or abused. I'd go for the Helko myself - have never held one - but given a choice that would be it.
Thank you for the kind words, the Helko. Is one great product I use in many of my adventures makes work easy
Have had a gerber for over 15 years. Used it as a hammer to build my son a tree house out in the bush No problems with it but I'm a carpenter and I beat accuracy has played a big role.
Jared Bradley I agree accuracy will save the life of the axe head and handle, thank you for sharing and watching!
The fact that $40.00 Fiskar’s axes get consistently compared to $100+ dollar hand forged axes is all you need to know, there in the same class as a tool. Compare the fiskars to a warped head from the factory Mexican made 50.00 Collins axe and it crushes it.
@@paparomesoutdoors711 he was saying the Fiskars rocks.
I've heard of fiskars breaking from being left in the weather and the composite material weakens from the cold and heat. I've also heard of a very small amount breaking for no reason. That said if you leave a wood handle in the rain and snow and sun it will eventually weaken and it's certainly not unheard of for an overstrike to shatter a wood handle. It's a wash.
I also think the "I can rehandle it" argument is poor. Nobody is rehandling an axe in the woods and even in the shop with proper tools most people aren't very good at it.
this is true, birch oil can treat it if you know how to make it, waterproofs the wood lasts longer.
Fiskars are excellent. They "break" when someone does something they aren't supposed to do, like pound them with a maul or hammer them with the back of a heavy axe. Fiskars are made for chopping or splitting, not for receiving hammer blows.
Seen a Fiskars subjected to horrendous abuse tests, the handle is far more resilient than any wooden haft,. but like anything will eventually break.
Really? That’s great to know thank you
Absolutely and the lifetime warranty on it is great. I felt like I was over explaining what happened. They were like dude it’s all good we will send you a new one.
I've used dozens of wooden handled axes and those cheap, crappy fiberglass cored, plastic coated handles over the years and I'd trade a whole pile of those for one Fiskars axe. They are tough as steel, light as a feather and cut like a razor blade on a stick. Wooden handles ALWAYS work loose and break. The fiberglass cored handles either snap off or they vibrate so bad your hands ache so badly after a few minutes that you can't grip them anymore. The Fiskars axes have NEVER failed me...... NEVER.......
Chainsaw for the win. I own a bunch of Fiskars edged tools (weapons?) and they have never let me down. Decent value.
I have the Helko Wurk black forest woodworker and it is amazing
Yea honestly you cant go wrong with any of the Helko products, truly amazing
I really like that specific model my only thought against it is that the handle is little short for an ideal felling axe. On the flip side it is easier to pack and I'm sure the blade cuts really well especially for limbing.
Cris Signori yea it def does cut well really sweet little axe
what would be the max size of a tree this specific Black Forest Woodworker can manage?
To each his own, of course. But I'll share this just to be tallied among those who aren't interested in a composite chopper. On a splitting maul or ax, composite is just fine. But felling, bucking, limbing, I prefer wood. Reasons for my preference (I'd say "personal" preference, but it's certainly not unique to me at all, as I am in good company): (1) I can alter/tune the wood handle to my preferences (thin as can be, flexible); (2) I can make a smooth hickory handle that doesn't raise blisters, is surfaced in smooth, cured linseed oil finish. With composite, you get what you get. No way to change it and, if damaged, probably replace the whole ax. Again, for a splitting ax, not an issue. An ax dedicated to splitting only, I don't have a strong preference and own and use both. But for cutting, I want a modifiable handle with ease of replacement capabilities. What I want in my hands, personally, just doesn't come in a composite model.
We’ll said thank you for watching
My only beef with Fiskars is that I think the head weight goes up too much in relation to the handle length. The x7 and the Scout that you reviewed are about the only models in their lineup that spec out "normal". I have a x7 and love it, while my x15 is an excellent example of exactly why nobody else puts a 2.5lb head on a 23" handle. On the x10 they got a boy's axe head grafted onto a hatchet handle, which feels about as graceful as it sounds.
Haha thanks for watching appreciate it!!
Good video. Chopping a dead tree is very dangerous. Look out for dead branches, that could come down because of the impact during chopping!
You are completely correct, Thank you for the kind words. The trees were semi dead solid centers, or I would not of chopped a fully dead tree. Too many friends passed from that down by me.
Ive owned fiskars for ax for 10 yrs Ive been literally beating the piss out of it the entire time. You should see how it looks. It looks terrible but the plastic has not given way even though it cracked in 2 places. Easy to sharpen. If i had to bet my life on one of these it would be fiskars..
Thanks for watching
whats with the 80s arcade game music?
I’m not a music producer sorry to disappoint
I think they're both excellent products although the Helko Werks definitely has more panache but the cap and suspenders are the best!
Cris Signori haha thanks for watching, many of my hunting videos I’m always wearing those just love suspenders more
Cris Signori haha thanks for watching, many of my hunting videos I’m always wearing those just love suspenders more
Seeing all these music comments, I have to comment myself. I like it!
Both are quality axes, you can’t go wrong with either one. Put your purse down and use both hands it’ll go easier.
larry reno thanks for watching
Helko handle is American wood, However the cutting and sanding is done in Switzerland, The heads are made in Germany, The axes are assembled in Germany. Only the wood is from American trees. Not made in America.
well in the packet it states the handles are from American wood so I went off of that, but you are correct. thanks for watching.
I’ve been using fiskars axes for over ten years now and the handles are still fine (besides one my Labrador chewed on). I was tempted to purchase the helko scout but the reviews I have read and watched are not normally favourable. So despite my desire to have a wooden handle axe, I think I’ll stick with my fiskars!
I agree
Helko over Fiskars
Okay, great review compared to many more famous channels. For me, it's Fiskars due to budget.
Edith Flood thank you 🙏 I think they are both really great tools that both work very well! Thank you for the kindness
Honestly my wood axe when some wood broke off of it a few hits later it snaped but when my plastic one broke off a few pieces it lasted for an entire month then snapped. So even though a bigger piece of the plastic axe was missing it still lasted longer then the wood axe
Dakota Jones that’s odd, did you miss the metal and land on the wood? That will stress and break the wood handle. Good to hear these stories thanks for watching.
You can't compare a cheap wood handle to a high end one good grain good wood good axe cheap ones the company trys to push as much out as possible so they don't pay much attention to quality
Plus you brake a wood handle you can replace it
Yeah but I hate the look and feel of a plastic handle axe, and I hate the look of a painted/coated axehead. Traditional original wooden handle with a non painted axehead is all I will use.
Fiskars are guaranteed for life so you will only ever buy that model once.
yea they are good thanks for watching
Even if you tear it up under the axe head where the handle meets?
I keep hearing about fiskers breaking but not much evidence out there that it is a real issue, I am a traditional hickory guy, however i plan on buying a fiskers x27 in the near future for splitting/heavy axe stuff....
I've seen the torture tests. Fiskars handles are essentially unbreakable vs wood handles. Fiskars heads are basically useless if the handle breaks, but it never will under normal use. They tend to not feel as "nice" as wood handles. Personal choice for sure. Fiskars is a workhorse
I had a fiskars that shattered on my first swing when I was camping and a snow storm hit. Needless to say I was cold that night.
put my missus moms fiskers through some fucking hard work for years n no trouble at all n im heavy handed 100kg strong man so id use it again
Helko is best.
I got Fiskars about 6 years and its doing good all the way.
But if you ask me to chose one axe for all entire life, it would be Hultafors Classic no.2 (sorry but its much better than Gransfors bruks)
I really enjoy mine I been using it in my other videos my solo overnight shelter video and it never let me down, helko is a solid company!
I know about one potential disadvantage of the fiberglass handle on the Fiskar from experience: Once I was splitting logs using hatchets as wedges to start the crack by beating the pole with a wooden club which usually works pretty well. One blow was appearently slightly off and the handle on the small Fiskars hatchet snapped just like that. So, Appearently they are very sensitive to this type of impact probably because of the brittleness of the fiberglass. I believe a wooden handle would be much better at tolerating.
Now I am left with just a wedge and there is not point in even trying to put a handle on the head.
That's one thing to take into consideration when choosing a tool serving a range of purposes
somatder thank you for sharing, this is exactly what I was looking to hear about and have heard rumors similar so thanks again. Could always weld the wedge to a handle and fasten wooden grips as a cool project
somatder This guy re-hafted one after deliberately destroying it. He linked to that video on the description of this video. Short version of that is that overstrikes didn't break the handle. He was determined to break it so he shot it twice with bird shot and that did it. Re-hafting:
ua-cam.com/video/g7HUlp91J_c/v-deo.html
@@CanItAlready yeah, I remember that one. I can't believe how tough that fiberglass. I am trying not to be a wood snob and convince myself that fiberglass handles actually can be pretty beneficial - especially for woodsplitters and for folks new to axes which dont want to bother about taking care of the wood and haven't developed proper accuracy. It actually is sort of troublesome with wooden handles: you have to be careful not getting them wet for prolonged periods, at best you have to treat it with linseed oil etc and you have to be careful with the wood shrinking on you if stored in the house in the winter.
somatder I clearly says in the Manual that so should not hit on the back side of the axe head,. The axe is only made for impacts from the front side.
@@somatder The poll end of nearly all axes are soft and beating on them like wedges are not recommended....
Helko is the best
A $150 as versus a $40. Is have to really do a lot of telling to consider the former.
Cape Fox Yep!
All the praise to the Fisksrs
Where'd you buy a Fiskars for $40? They were selling for $120 at my local Lowes. I always check.
Alex F. Online
Great video but you can buy 3 of the fiskars for the price of the other axe which is neither here or there it's about personal preference and what you can afford but great video bro
Yea really understand where your coming from and shocked I left that part out, I even used to like the Gerber Axe as well very similar to style and price. Appreciate it and happy new year
I wonder which one will win
Nice job but I can't take the "music"...
Thanks, just put it on mute 😂
Fiskars axes have lifetime warranties
No other axe company offers a lifetime warranty
You are not supposed to hit the head of the axe.
Anyone who does it is ruining the axe.
Agreed. The only axes one can hit on the poll are those hardened and designed for such. Doing so, enlarges the metal around the handle, loosing them up.
Muller axes, are 5 times superior to a Fiskars and comes with a Lifetime Warranty. Fiskars as also Gransfors Bruks, are for people who don't know about axes. With all the respect, that's the truth.
@@greekveteran2715
I haven't tried Muller axes because they don't sell them where I live;
so stick you snob shit up your snob asshole.
I can't quite figure out why "Fiskars" is so hard to pronounce. Between you saying "Fiska", and another UA-camr saying "Fishkars", I don't get it. The Fiskars is a hell of a workhorse for the price with a lifetime warranty (for those who don't trust synthetic handles). I own 18 different axes, plus many hatchets, tomahawks, and mauls. Most people would be best served learning how to use an axe efficiently and how to sharpen/maintain one, which can be learned on an inexpensive (including used/garage sale) axe. After that, they'll probably have more of an idea of what suits them best.
Dennis O'Brien thanks for watching Denise appreciate your world of experience and feedback
Why is the camera so far away from you when using the fiskars? We all know it can chop down a tree. The purpose of making a video is so people can see how it bites into the tree. How deep do the cuts go? How does it perform when compared to the other axe? We should see it for ourselves. Or if we can't, you should just do a commentary on them. It's so far away that we know you chopped it down. But that's it.
And your very own opinion which acts do you think is better
I just find it very weird, that Helko, a german company, has no official shop in Germany. Seems fishy to me.
That is strange isnt it, but I had to order mine from Germany... Hmmmm great comment,
@@paparomesoutdoors711 Hmm, that is weird. I was on Helkos site, and under the store locator section, it showed only stores for USA, GB and Poland
Stephen Hauer that’s strange you got me there, all I know was my order came from Germany took two weeks shipping and had a packet saying it was a German company and listed other models they sold.
They'd have a warhorse here in the city of 9215 Santa Fe Springs Road
Santa Fe Springs, CA 90670 Been there a few time and got myself some good deals. They'd share a warehouse with another company not related to axe or knives.
There is nothing 'fishy' about Helko. It is an age old and world renowned smithy!
They do, under their old web adress: www.world-of-axes.com/
they are changing their website to the new address helko.de but it seems to be not finished (as of Dec. 2018)
Too bad you added that 'music'.....
wcresponder I recently cut the music from my videos must agree thanks for watching,
WRONG
Fiskars has a lifetime warranty
and they don't have any returns
I’ve had many followers Say they broke them, guess none returned them lol
i know which is beautiful Axe !
why is that noise,
In India we get better axe with in 10d
Gorijala Sateesh what brand do you speak of?
@@paparomesoutdoors711 we don't have brand thy were prepared by local black Smith.
I want buy it!
If the axe has a non wooden handle, has a painted or coated axehead, isn’t a single headed/bitted axehead, I don’t want it.
Андрей Илья Робертович Блейков and this is why you are a sell out moron.