PRGE 2023 INTERVIEW: Retro-Bit Saturn 2.4Ghz Wireless Pro Controller

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  • @knight0fdragon
    @knight0fdragon Рік тому +15

    Dave: F@ck off dude, I am playing NiGHTS here.

    • @NemXX2
      @NemXX2 8 місяців тому

      But he isn't gonna play it with the new actual controller. Cause the analog doesn't work for some god forsaken reason, even though we see him use it here.

  • @ArchadesGames
    @ArchadesGames Рік тому +10

    It was a blast sharing this with you all at the event!

    • @AnthonyRiddle
      @AnthonyRiddle Рік тому +2

      It's so nice to hear a company representative finally mention emulation. Emulation has been a HUGE deal for us broke ass retro gamers for decades now.

  • @RetroBitGaming
    @RetroBitGaming Рік тому +11

    Big thanks to @ArchadesGames for holding it down! Did anyone else swing by and try them out at PRGE? Please let us know your thoughts. :)

    • @GhibliNova
      @GhibliNova Рік тому +4

      If it sells well could you make a 60 dollar dual analog Saturn 3D Pad? 😁 lift the 6 buttons up about 3 mm and you have a perfect vacuum right underneath for a second full size analog stick! :) you could even use the detatchable module to have it be wired or swap it for a wireless transmitter 😁

    • @legendsflashback
      @legendsflashback Рік тому

      @@GhibliNova bingo call it the plus, ipega hillbilly already has them

  • @SegaSteve0429
    @SegaSteve0429 Рік тому +8

    I need to get one of these on order. The other retro-bit pads have been great with minimal issues. Even if they're not a 1:1 with a 3d controller i can see myself using these pretty regularly.

    • @emmettturner9452
      @emmettturner9452 Рік тому +3

      I still remember when they were cloning NES dog bones and SNES pads without snaking the cord through the posts that they also copied so they would pull right out of the controller. The’ve improved, but let’s not memory hole their past.

    • @protocetid
      @protocetid Рік тому

      @@emmettturner9452 Was looking into buying their Genesis/MD controllers and not only were there many posts about them breaking, while functional they were not compatible with certain games because they messed up the controller protocol (or something). Sega lent their branding to an unworthy brand.

  • @shushpuppai
    @shushpuppai Рік тому +13

    I love it, but I’d be more interested to see an extra analog on the actual 3D controller (and maybe a little more ergonomics hehe)

    • @Real_The_Goof
      @Real_The_Goof Рік тому +7

      Same, i would like to just see them make an upgraded 3D controller with an extra stick.

    • @protocetid
      @protocetid Рік тому +3

      Should’ve just done that one, the original with joysticks doesn’t look comfortable.

    • @midorifox
      @midorifox 11 місяців тому +1

      Yeah, the first prototype looked better.

    • @protocetid
      @protocetid 11 місяців тому +1

      @@midorifox Looked uglier but probably more comfortable.

    • @midorifox
      @midorifox 11 місяців тому +2

      @@protocetid indeed, this one is too much Form over Functionality, they removed the analog triggers.

  • @CalcioRoma
    @CalcioRoma Рік тому +3

    A button remap option would be so nice, almost every modern fightpad has it, like the hori octa for example.

    • @CalcioRoma
      @CalcioRoma Рік тому +1

      For instance , C and Z could be mirrored by the right bumper and trigger, while two other face buttons mirrored by left bumper and trigger. This is good for street fighter, imo. I really hope they add this feature. :)

    • @CalcioRoma
      @CalcioRoma Рік тому

      And im not asking for macros here, like a+b on one button on neogeo games, just a full single button remap option. In my example here about the four mirrored buttons, this could be great for characters like boxer in super turbo, because this way i can have ALL SIX buttons on the right side of the controller, which is important so i can just use my left hand for the d-pad, plus two kick buttons on the left shoulders for easy TAPs. I think this would be so great, i m tired of using things like steam for things like that. Thanks guys and see ya :)

  • @GhibliNova
    @GhibliNova Рік тому +8

    I wish they just dual analoged the Saturn 3d pad :/

    • @johnsundberg7697
      @johnsundberg7697 Рік тому +4

      This. It's as if everyone forgot (or never used) how great the 3d control pad was. Had the same great dpad, 6 face buttons and analog triggers. All they had to do was add a second analog stick to that design.

    • @Marzimus
      @Marzimus Рік тому +1

      Best pad for X-Men vs. Street Fighter...

  • @IcePakOG
    @IcePakOG Рік тому +1

    I love how in the zone Dave seems with NiGHTS.

  • @Mospen
    @Mospen Рік тому +1

    Great interview on the new Retro-Bit Saturn controller. I tried this out myself at PRGE and liked it. Great to meet the SHIRO crew too! Keep up the great work team!!!

  • @albanmahoudeau1779
    @albanmahoudeau1779 11 місяців тому +1

    SEGATA SANSHIRO !

  • @sarasutton2389
    @sarasutton2389 Рік тому +2

    Ryan Engstrom is an awesome reviewer!

  • @WhatAboutZoidberg
    @WhatAboutZoidberg Рік тому

    YOOOOOO! I didnt even see these with the analog sticks, this looks amazing. Hall effect to boot. The cream/white looks incredible.

  • @greenEYEDdj
    @greenEYEDdj Рік тому +1

    Whoa. Pandemonium is there. Nice.

  • @DaveVoyles
    @DaveVoyles Рік тому

    I'm hyped. I pre-ordered the black one once I saw you guys share it on facebook

  • @superstreetfighter14
    @superstreetfighter14 9 місяців тому

    This might be the best controller ever made. 🎉

  • @hideokojimajr
    @hideokojimajr Рік тому +1

    Would’ve looooved analog triggers for Forza on PC, but that would’ve only been a nice bonus. As is, I’ve been looking forward to this as my main controller for MiSTer: has the right buttons and sticks in the right general places for just about everything, Saturn and PS1 especially. Will be great for when I just want to pick up and play.

  • @Jaysplaze
    @Jaysplaze 11 місяців тому +1

    Is there a way to switch the mirroring off for PC gaming? I would love to have two additional buttons rather than four buttons that share two inputs.

  • @JomasterTheSecond
    @JomasterTheSecond Рік тому +6

    Still upset the triggers aren't analogue but hey, this controller's come a long way since the first proto.

    • @Reprogrammed_By_SEGA
      @Reprogrammed_By_SEGA Рік тому +1

      Yeah, which makes you wonder who is this controller for? Seems like it is a better PS1 controller than SEGA Saturn (3D Controller) which is just silly.

    • @JomasterTheSecond
      @JomasterTheSecond Рік тому

      @@Reprogrammed_By_SEGA
      They seem to be pushing the Switch angle very hard...

    • @SEGASATURNSHIRO
      @SEGASATURNSHIRO  Рік тому +1

      I think that's probably a good thing, as it feels more like a switch controller first and a Saturn controller second, to me (at least as it currently stands). And it's best that folks go in with realistic expectations, honestly... -SaturnDave

    • @Reprogrammed_By_SEGA
      @Reprogrammed_By_SEGA Рік тому

      Well they are selling it as a SEGA Saturn controller with 3D Controller support. But you can't have proper 3D Controller support without analog trggers. These are used for fine camera control and acceleration and break and other uses in games.@@SEGASATURNSHIRO

  • @EsperHubb
    @EsperHubb Рік тому +3

    I can't wait for this to get release, I wanted this kind of controller for 15 years, you have no idea.

  • @flink1231
    @flink1231 Рік тому

    I love it that retrobit took their time to do it justice instead of just releasing the original prototype. It is commendable as most companies would release an unfinished product. Here is hope for the dreamcast controller to also come out! Also please retrobit, keep these available on market so when people's controller break they can buy another, don't just give up on them.

  • @ounaku
    @ounaku Рік тому

    Need this controller in my life

  • @drdroop2163
    @drdroop2163 Рік тому +6

    Can the two analog sticks work as twin sticks for games that support them? It's literally one of the only reasons to have something like this over a normal 3d pad for Saturn. It'd be amazing if it worked as a twin stick controller for games that support it.

    • @SEGASATURNSHIRO
      @SEGASATURNSHIRO  Рік тому +6

      This is a question we actually asked retro-bit last year and they said that it was a pretty reasonable thing to program a mapping for. We asked about it again this year and once again they confirmed that it was a good idea on their radar. No word if they will follow through with the implementation, but we will certainly let you know if they do. At the very least, it sounds like something that could be added in a firmware update...

    • @marmosetfreund8506
      @marmosetfreund8506 Рік тому

      Really hope the twinstick is added, hopefully you can Shiro them into it. @@SEGASATURNSHIRO

    • @drdroop2163
      @drdroop2163 Рік тому

      @@SEGASATURNSHIRO Fantastic! Great to hear! Day 1 purchase if it works for sure.

  • @enriquepinero707
    @enriquepinero707 Рік тому

    I been eyeing these soecific ones since initial showing of the prototypes. Hope they make a Bluetooth variant as well. Will be getting these asap.

  • @Reprogrammed_By_SEGA
    @Reprogrammed_By_SEGA Рік тому +2

    Everyone going on about hall effect sensors in analog sticks but nothing about the missing analog triggers.

  • @glitchjungle
    @glitchjungle Рік тому

    Amazing

  • @AyeYoYoYooo
    @AyeYoYoYooo Рік тому +1

    Does anyone have the definitive input lag in milliseconds yet or not yet ? 8-10 is via USB or Bluetooth ?
    They look/sound absolutely incredible, like the perfect retro/modern2d controller!

  • @mkopke
    @mkopke Рік тому +2

    I like how the interviewed is doing his best to explain while the Shiro! crew is like "yeah, sure... WOOOO! NiGHTs!!!"

  • @johnsundberg7697
    @johnsundberg7697 Рік тому +14

    At least someone finally pointed out that the analog triggers are missing. So this isn't really a Saturn 3D control pad replacement. The guy acting as if they aren't important is lame. The analog triggers were a huge step forward for racing games.

    • @midorifox
      @midorifox 11 місяців тому +3

      And they're a must for Saturn emulation. Otherwise we can use any of those six buttons xbox pads, like the Hori Octa

    • @albanmahoudeau1779
      @albanmahoudeau1779 11 місяців тому +2

      A TRUE PIGGIE Contrôler SATYRN.SATURN CONSOLE..

    • @rustymixer2886
      @rustymixer2886 10 місяців тому

      For what games?

  • @israelgonzalezabrego3551
    @israelgonzalezabrego3551 11 місяців тому

    Hope will come to in the snow white color of the PS2 edition, thats the best color in my opinion

  • @HEMSteeel86
    @HEMSteeel86 11 місяців тому

    So about the “3D control pad support”… the controllers can be switched to analog mode from what I saw, but the shoulder pads still being digital restrict the controllers from being used for almost any game old or new. If the future updates can fix that, this may end up being the best controller ever. It’s still good enough right now for me to order though based on this and another review video.

  • @RFFVGAll-Stars
    @RFFVGAll-Stars Рік тому +1

    Brand New Controller 🎮

  • @ardilosinho
    @ardilosinho 11 місяців тому

    Did you press R and L together to see if they register? Nights should break if so. Because the 2.4 Ghz wireless don't allow you to do it so you can't for example enter the Vampire Saviour extra options. They never bothered to fix it.

  • @miasuke
    @miasuke Рік тому +3

    Something says me this controller is not a replacement of the 3D-Pad, having its full support.
    The controller do not have analog triggers, and it looks the analog is just a D-Pad remap.
    It's a miss of opportunity... 😩

  • @jamesragsdale3069
    @jamesragsdale3069 Рік тому

    Already preordered it. Just loved the feature set, and the saturn was my favorite. Having the extra shoulder buttons will be very nice. Should be a premium controller for fighters and 2D games on PC. I don't see it as replacing the XBOX 360 style controllers for general gaming, but should be great for playing all the indie stuff I love.

  • @QuestForTori
    @QuestForTori Рік тому

    Oh my god after like 8 years they’re FINALLY releasing

  • @mkonji8522
    @mkonji8522 9 місяців тому

    I really hope they bring a saturn 3d controller with dual analogs.

  • @InitialDL84
    @InitialDL84 Рік тому +2

    Can you use this on PS5? At least with the Brooks Wingman FGC converter? I'd love to have this for fighting games on there! Been trying to find a competent siz button controller for PS5 for a while (and yes I've tried the Hori Octa controller, d-pad is brutal on my thumb after 30 mins), and I feel this could be perfect for SF6.

    • @matiaslallavevazquez4617
      @matiaslallavevazquez4617 11 місяців тому

      I'm thinking exactly the same, mate. It would be awesome, Saturn pad is the best for fighting games

  • @albanmahoudeau1779
    @albanmahoudeau1779 11 місяців тому +1

    Hori OCTA. And What About. PANZER DRAGON OCTA.

  • @sdragon21
    @sdragon21 Рік тому

    After watching this, I’m absolutely gonna sell off my current wireless Retro-Bit Saturn Pad, and will be pre-ordering this at the end of the month.

  • @Nyder
    @Nyder Рік тому

    I wish they could find a way to comfortably include full sized analog sticks and maybe some extended grips. The six face button set up might not allow that, though.
    Either case, the Saturn controller is the perfect 2d controller. I'd buy this one just because it's the most feature rich, even if it's not the best for modern 3d console titles. Many titles don't require too much accuracy though so maybe I'd use it just because I like it.
    The Sega button layout is just the best, though. Each button is distinguishable and there's no problems with hitting the wrong button.

  • @cordellsimmons7458
    @cordellsimmons7458 Рік тому +1

    Can you use the wingman SD for Dreamcast support?

  • @auralynn3862
    @auralynn3862 Рік тому +1

    Can C and Z be remapped independently, though...?
    Also, my favored mapping for Saturn would be to alias L/R and ZL/ZR to each other, instead of aliasing one of them to C/Z.

  • @aortaplatinum
    @aortaplatinum Рік тому

    This is REALLY goddamn cool, especially the rumble and additional shoulder buttons. I'm a bit concerned about the analog sticks though, they look really similar to the Switch's Joy Con analog sticks which imo are WAY too tiny and feel terrible because you have so little travel time so actual analog movement is really difficult to do precisely. The normal sized sticks on the prototype look much nicer to use...

  • @MisticDW
    @MisticDW Рік тому +1

    They were like, wow this controller is perfect! How can we mess this up a bit?
    Well we should make the analog triggers digital only!
    I was so hyped for this controller until they made the triggers digital, the joke is... The Saturn 3D pad introduced analog triggers!!!!!

  • @tappersreviews4677
    @tappersreviews4677 Рік тому +2

    Are these going to be available on Amazon?

  • @ardilosinho
    @ardilosinho Рік тому

    They should add twin stick and twin mission stick modes with these 2 analogs.

  • @rustymixer2886
    @rustymixer2886 10 місяців тому +1

    Make Bluetooth ones for my ps4

  • @moomah5929
    @moomah5929 Рік тому

    Were can you buy seperate Genesis V2 receivers, specifically in Europe, not that I could find any on Retro-bit? Would love to use these pads on my Mega Drive / Mega CD also.

  • @HPPrintervx4p5q
    @HPPrintervx4p5q Рік тому +1

    I just need the same controller but with usbc, everything else is a bonus

  • @kwicksandz
    @kwicksandz Рік тому

    I really want this to be good but my last retrobit Saturn's dpad broke pretty quick... Hope their qc has improved

  • @845H1R
    @845H1R Рік тому

    This could be my controller end game . . .

  • @willymagi9253
    @willymagi9253 Рік тому

    10:04 LmAo Ryan doesn’t lie

  • @Spazbo4
    @Spazbo4 Рік тому

    I have an issue with their current wireless controller that I've seen in both of my controllerd where every few minutes it will stop accepting input while playing on my sega saturn and only gets fixed when i let go of any button(s) I was pressing at the time of losing control

  • @Mitsuraga
    @Mitsuraga Рік тому

    Definitely thinking about picking this up as another Switch Pro controller. I already have plenty of actual Saturn controllers, so I wouldn't need it for that.

  • @elgoog-the-third
    @elgoog-the-third 10 днів тому

    He veery carefully avoided mentioning that they fucked up the mapping of C/Z to L/R

  • @s26me
    @s26me Рік тому

    I just hope these won't have the terrible QA issues the few first Saturn retro-bit controller batches had with extremely brittle plastics on the D-PAD.

  • @legendsflashback
    @legendsflashback Рік тому +1

    7:18 to 7:25

  • @roboyle
    @roboyle Рік тому

    I would've thought the second set of shoulder buttons could be mapped to the first and the second analogue stick be mapped to the first also for the Saturn, so gamers could use whatever setup is more comfortable for them. It would be better if all available controls were put to some use on original hardware.

    • @Z64bit
      @Z64bit 11 місяців тому

      Mapped to what? Idk what "first" means in that sentence

    • @roboyle
      @roboyle 11 місяців тому

      @@Z64bitthat L1 and L2 serve the same function on original hardware and same on the right shoulder buttons... in essence, the two sets do the same thing. Likewise the second analogue stick could be mapped to the d-pad controls.
      I mean - maybe this is actually possible/already done, it's just not clear yet.

  • @israelgonzalezabrego3551
    @israelgonzalezabrego3551 11 місяців тому

    I can used it with the 8bitdo PS2 wireless?

  • @sportsgt
    @sportsgt Рік тому

    Not a fan of the smaller sticks, wished they offer both so people can choose what they prefer...I do like that they are using halleffect sticks 👍👍👍

    • @sportsgt
      @sportsgt Рік тому

      Also they should have a twin stick mode for the extra analog stick for virtual on for saturn

  • @brandonwaters4955
    @brandonwaters4955 Рік тому

    ooooOOOOOOooo so so cool

  • @israelgonzalezabrego3551
    @israelgonzalezabrego3551 11 місяців тому

    Where I can get it?!!!

  • @JimmyJoeMcGurl
    @JimmyJoeMcGurl Рік тому

    Can it be used as a twin stick? Asking 1 min into the video so sorry if it's addressed later

  • @mikeandroid3512
    @mikeandroid3512 Рік тому

    Will these Saturn pro controllers work on ps4 ? Adapter ?

  • @midorifox
    @midorifox 11 місяців тому +1

    6:48 all of the saturn games that were compatible with 3D Saturn controller. Stop using the Nintendo Switch as an excuse, not everyone cares for the NX.
    And yes, they were implemented to such degrees they were useful.

  • @machoke666
    @machoke666 6 місяців тому

    There's plenty of controllers out there that are similarly priced and cheaper that have analogue triggers. I don't personally play any games where the analogue triggers are necessary but brining up the price when talking about analogue vs digital triggers doesn't make sense.

  • @Real_The_Goof
    @Real_The_Goof Рік тому

    I still feel like the sticks should be raised a bit more away from the controller.

  • @fot3k
    @fot3k Рік тому

    Why no Bluetooth? Would have loved this for Emulation on Android.

    • @ninten360
      @ninten360 Рік тому

      bluetooth adds too much lag, though apparently they come with 2.4Ghz wireless receivers

    • @fot3k
      @fot3k Рік тому

      @@ninten360 I use 8BitDo Pro 2 controllers with Bluetooth no problem on Android and Windows.

  • @maroon9273
    @maroon9273 Рік тому

    Saturn analog stick dream come true.

  • @LoserTry
    @LoserTry Рік тому

    release a bluetooth version

  • @MasaCheez
    @MasaCheez Рік тому

    Anyone know if there is L3/R3 functionality?

    • @ForeverWinter1812
      @ForeverWinter1812 Рік тому +1

      yes. it was said in the video.

    • @MasaCheez
      @MasaCheez Рік тому

      @@ForeverWinter1812 thank you! I didn't catch it. Watching it while working 😜

  • @REDFlELD
    @REDFlELD Рік тому +1

    The switch dual analog sticks bothers me a lot. I would prefer if it uses the original saturn magnetic analog ( nights 3d pad)

  • @Pingwn
    @Pingwn 5 місяців тому

    I really wish there were analogue triggers on this rather than digital. I see no reason to cater for the switch demographic more than anyone else, an analogue controller can do anything a digital one can but a digital controller cannot do what an analogue can.

  • @nightssega4260
    @nightssega4260 Рік тому +1

    man they really dropped the ball with no trigger analog.
    still buying but it's a blatant oops when it can't even replace the original 3d saturn controller, the system this was made for.
    maybe they'll learn from this and make the sticks bigger along with a wired option...

  • @wraygun44
    @wraygun44 Рік тому +1

    I've been really excited about this controller for years at this point but the lack of analog triggers really puts a damper on that... Maybe I'll pick it up at some point but it's no longer an immediate purchase for me :/

  • @SPYDAMAAAN
    @SPYDAMAAAN Рік тому +3

    What a shame about those triggers, such a missed opportunity.
    I'm not paying 50 dollars for another controller that's not much different than the others I already have.
    Now for a controller that finally had everything, I would pay $100 for that.
    "WeLl tHE SaTUrN DoESnT haVE MaNy GaMEs THaT sUPpOrT iT aNd tHE sWitCh Has noNe"
    Is this only for the saturn?
    No.
    Is this only for the switch? NOOOOOOO!
    I don't mean to be so hard on them, I know they tried.
    But in a future update, FIX THIS!

    • @Prince.Mykal.Vision
      @Prince.Mykal.Vision Рік тому +3

      Pretty much my sentiment. I think whoever make the decisions for retrobit products is not the greatest at seeing wider market appeal. Seems their oblivious to the minor things (analog triggers, wired usb mode) that would make thier products an insta-purchase for a wide array of modern gamers looking for a all in one controller solution.

  • @legendsflashback
    @legendsflashback Рік тому +1

    Just make Dreamcast dongle

  • @desieltv163
    @desieltv163 11 місяців тому

    Did not work for switch

  • @themollymachine
    @themollymachine Рік тому

    It's either you're going to buy it or you're not going to buy it You don't really need too much convincing with a controller like this

  • @RobsonRoverRepair
    @RobsonRoverRepair Рік тому

    Twin stick compatability ala Virtual On else it's wasted opportunity

  • @enelhorno2024
    @enelhorno2024 10 місяців тому

    No analog triggers, not complete.

  • @grgmj1980
    @grgmj1980 Рік тому

    Ya,ya,yea,yep,yes,ya,ya,ya😂

  • @Reprogrammed_By_SEGA
    @Reprogrammed_By_SEGA Рік тому +3

    4:35 "It has all the functions you need for modern gaming" Modern gaming uses analog triggers. Not even good as a Switch controller.

    • @knight0fdragon
      @knight0fdragon Рік тому +3

      switch controllers do not have analog triggers. You need to use a gamecube controller to get them. It is a missed opportunity though. To say the digital triggers is because of Switch is just an excuse. I currently use the King Kong 2 Pro / Zen Pro (As does Saturn Dave) and it works just fine.

    • @herbertmontague1390
      @herbertmontague1390 11 місяців тому

      Not sure if you've watched the entire video review that the independent tester did for the controller, but once analog mode is activated, it works well with many modern games (like shooters and fighters). I have seen your comments on different videos for your dislike of this controller, which is your prerogative. But let's be clear about why this controller is and isn't... It isn't supposed to be a Saturn 3d controller replacement nor is it advertised to be so. It is a digital controller that can work with plenty of 3d Saturn supported titles when switched to analog mode, and with many modern games. The games you may like to play often may not be suitable for this controller, and that's okay. Doesn't mean it's useless for so many other games, plus they have some firmware updates addressing many of the requests from customers.

  • @playtower1
    @playtower1 Місяць тому

    una puta mierda de control. Si, muy bonito , pero no es compatible ni con el action replay , ni con saroo, y si quieresa actualizar el firmware mas vale que sepas rezar