Death of a Game: StarCraft 2
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- Опубліковано 7 вер 2024
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No you can collect that moral victory when you don't join the Discord to debate me about things you are supposedly so emotionally charged about you can't make basic arguments about it. I will be waiting :). It doesn't have to be contentious either.
Here's some rapid fire facts you can chew on and choose to be emotional about if you want (it doesn't dispute the point). AOE2 on JUST steam alone has more players than SC2. Not counting the Xbox APIs. SC1 in JUST Korea alone, has more players than all of the other regions in both Starcraft's. SC1 has ran more tournaments in the past 5 years I can count.
SC2 has less players competitively, than multiple indie MP titles, and 20+ year old MP titles. SC2 has actually only lost players in the past 6 years with the past 4 being heavy churns (10k players lost in NA alone in customs), in both the custom games community, and the competitive ladder.
SC2 has had 1 update, in 1.5 years and has had 5 in the past 5 years. SC2 hasn't had an expansion in 9 years, a co-op mission in 6, and new content period in that time.
A dead game is defined as a game that died literally, had a mass exodus/failed expectations, or the company died. SC2 had a mass exodus of players from the OG 6+ million copies sold, and being on top of both YT and Twitch most watched charts. It's also dead in 4th definition of the word, where the game clearly has no new content and hasn't had some for over half a decade. It only receives maintenance mode updates. All of these qualifiers more than well enough qualify the game under my criteria, and the criteria of the word "death'...just not literal death, the only one most people seemed to cling on to when trying to attack my arguments (basically displaying they aren't genuine actors). You can say you feel the game isn't dead based on literality all you want... without being delusional at the current state of it. Otherwise we get brigaded comments with no arguments :( :(
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Arguments used against me?
"But the game's not dead'
Watch the series, read the description, or just pay attention to this video in particular...I make this claim based on multiple things you can't just hand wave based on feelings, and your ignorance of how words, arguments, and analysis work.
"But there is a tournament with big middle eastern washed money coming"
Cool, it is decried by the majority of eSports experts, is ran by horrible organizers (both in history and integrity), and does FUCK all to actually help the professional scene (build and support infrastructure).
"But SC2 is still the most popular RTS".
As I said above, no it isn't you weird Blizzard fanboy. AOE has existed for ages dude, and has been out performing StarCraft for a long time.
"But nerd you are a Stormgate shill"
I never even claimed the game was good...I just tested it and decided to give away some copies...da fuc?
"But nerd I made a funny about you being sponsored secretly"
Accusing me of fraud based on my career and integrity, is not funny. Sorry not sorry. I don't think me accusing you of fraud in your work place would be that funny either for the record.
"But nerd, you were a meany head"
If you see me display that, and genuinely feel I am totally off base file a report on my Discord with my mods or myself directly. We will 100% take you seriously...the thing is, I wrote my rules to be where I have license, with this being my channel and all, to make fun of people who weren't worth my time. These are described as people who aren't genuine, ad hom me first, ignore the rules of the establishment (yes I have them), or demonstrate in an obvious way they didn't watch the video. If you fail to follow the rules and respect me and my content, I don't feel the need to coddle or be nice to you...when you clearly didn't see the need to respect me or my content. And for the nicety tone policing that's going on in comment replies or from people who watch my videos but feel that means they know me, fuck off. Kindly. I think tone policing idiots or disrespectful people is a net loss for everyone, me included.
I did and then you just banned me. Youre a coward. wow. Thats an admission from hell. I have all the answers i need. THX.
@@lostsnail. I went to the discord, perfectly polite and he acted like a child and banned me.
@@loklan1 I went to the discord, perfectly polite and he acted like a child and banned me.
@@gregorylu I went to the discord, perfectly polite and he acted like a child and banned me.
@@hughjass8807 I went to the discord, perfectly polite and he acted like a child and banned me.
I'm not sure where you're getting the Starcraft 2 player numbers from. The numbers available show Starcraft 2 has a similar player count to Age of Empires 2.
Source? Acti-Blizz and SC don't release their numbers...
@@nerdSlayerstudioss I mean they are asking *your* source.
SC2 pulse has all of the SC2 stats.
It shows 70k daily games for 1v1 only ( ignoring campaign, custom, arcade, coop, team games )
All of the stats i found for AOE2 were way lower in terms of daily games, 30k to 55k.
Apparently the author of this video just makes up numbers when he can't find them.
@@saitama741 He, he, he!
@@nerdSlayerstudioss wait... you made a 30 minute long video essay about the death but dont actually have any idea where to get numbers from?
This game ain't dead. Still play a few times a week. Player pool is healthier than most new rts (aoe, coh, etc.)
AoE4 and 2 have very healthy player pools for all levels of play though.
etc? What kind rts is that
Honestly game got a huge second breath with arcade, modding and co-op. Being more casual player - it was really nice just to play different mods and coop with cool commanders with different untis, abilities and play styles.
I was never into competitive games or esports in general, so having coop\pve-focused mod was pretty nice for me personally.
And then they killed the PVE Mode. We should be glad we got the last big update for the Commanders, giving them all 3 different subclasses. If it had been according to the SC2 owners we wouldnt have gotten that.
Yeah Co-op mode was my most played gamemode and i would always come back to it every now and then.
Coop mode was so fun. All the different types of faction / rts types in one. Reminded me of overwatch a little, in the sense that ow is a combination of many different fps types.
arcade was the biggest let down of sc2 lol, no individually hosted lobbies meant only the most popular maps ever got hosted. there was no incentive to make new maps and the scene never even came close to sc1 or wc3's. the next big rts will be the one that does UMS/CUSTOM/arcade correctly and revives the scene.
dead? it may have a smaller player base cause of the skill level needed but matchmaking is less than 20 sec. how is this dead?
I recommend watching the content that emotionally charges you before you post ignorantly about it, and the positions presented. Just some food for thought.
@@nerdSlayerstudioss i did watched it from the begining till the end. Yes, you presented valid criticism but i was expecting Death=low player base or totally shutting down the servers. Slow updates is not death, updates at this point are there to keep the esports gameplay fresh. And no, im not emotionally charged, i am asking a valid question.
@@nerdSlayerstudioss nah too long, too boring, can't stand a crybaby who's channel is dead
@@Gurnu You really took this personally...
@@RHelenius you really simping a crybaby like them?
Dude melted down in the comment section like butter in a searing pan lmao
Weird really. I don't even play SC2 but still wonders where he got his numbers from.
Funniest shit : when people tells him other numbers, he answers by saying "well they don't communicate their numbers so you're wrong". OKay.. So where did you get yours from ? - cue radio silence
Yeah but seriously though, wtaf? So bizarre..
This is SERIOUSLY going to go down as one of the worst responses from a creator of all time.
He's literally just insulting everyone in the comments
Many alive games wish they were as active as this dead game
Yeah, this video is ridiculous
Mate I can point out at least 10 20 year old games with much larger populations, even in the RTS genre I can pick a few...What are you trying to sell exactly? The magical fantasy non provable fanbase that's massive somehow? So massive you don't get updates in the game anymore?
@@nerdSlayerstudioss Ok please explain how SC2 with 70k players per day is dead, and AOE with 15k players per day is not. I'll wait.
Uh oh, I dont think he will@@FidelisRaven
No one wishes 90 percent of funding coming from saudis
Grifter who doesn't actually care about the games he makes videos about, and just responds to comments with the maturity of a 12 year old. SC2 isn't even close to dead.
Surprised a fan boy could type that all out with tears streaming down his face.
@@TheSpicyLeg you hurt his fee fees so bad he didn't respond lol
@@nerdSlayerstudioss Brother, you couldn't even respond to a comment asking where you get your numbers from. Get a grip.
Dead sure has a interesting definition nowadays.
It has the same definitions it has had for the past like 1000 years...what kind of low IQ statement is this? Actually make a position and relax on showing people you failed English 101.
@@nerdSlayerstudioss 1. no longer alive 2. of a place or time) characterized by a lack of activity or excitement.
If the multiplayer servers are still running; and people can still get multiplayer games, then it can't be said that there's a lack of activity no? Maybe however, you shouldn't throw a tantrum when you get triggered by a throwaway comments, the nature of which you very much expected. Insulting your potential and current audience, now that should be indicative of IQ.
@@rubz1390 Throawawy comments are what people say when they get owned and can't make an argument.
You didn't post the dictionary link, any reason why? Here i will for you. www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/death
death
"a damaging or destructive state of affairs."
www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/colloquial is another cool informative link
Nice 17 upvote brigade though. I am insulting an idiot, nothing else. You posting anon in the comment section with such poor understanding of the English language is your IQ check mate. Thanks for letting it be know you aren't very intelligent though.
@@nerdSlayerstudioss I had no interest in a debate, posting that comment was 5 seconds of my life that I gave no further thought to. As for the "brigading", I have no idea who those people are, have you ever considered the possibility that people don't agree with you without it being some conspiracy? I don't have time for such things. Thanks for convincing me to not watch your videos again though.
Not big sourprise.
Posting here after Clem beat Serral 0-5 to become SC2 World Champion at the Esports World Cup and bringing home $400k
SC2 aint dead my guy
Hell, it's about time.
"...Raynor..."
COME ON ALREADY
i still play sc2 ladder almost everyday, this video was just done to shill stormgate, probably a paid video too...
@@nerdSlayerstudioss
" ...Tychus... "
Idk why but I always thought it was "It's about damn time" but I was wrong
As a gold 3. I am always about to boot up on ranked or unranked in less than a minute.
niceee
I dont think starcraft really died. The game still has enough draw to have established pro tournaments. I love the value of the custom games, and no other modern game platform offers that much variety now. I hope stormgate does the same
I don't really think you are being entirely honest, if you think this scene is thriving...mate it's smaller than multiple iterations of this SAME game lol. Your opinion doesn't matter much past a point, if you don't acknowledge my points or the game realistically.
@@nerdSlayerstudioss its a niche genre, stormgate will have even less players than current sc2
@@nerdSlayerstudiossbizarre response
SC2 isn't dead for me. I watch amazing pros play knuckle biting games several times a week. It's definitely in it's twilight years, but it's had a full and fulfilling life. Sc2 is in a good retirement community to keep the analogy going.
Not a dead game for sure! Pro scene is amazing!
Retirement of a Game just doesn't have the same ring to it.
Classic big corp behavior. They don't look how much something should cost. They just invest how much they wan to bet in expectation build on incorrect calculations.
So, they over-invest in attempt to grow faster than possible and under-invest afterwards to compensate for money they threw out before.
If they made a fun game, people don't mind throwing money at it. FF14 is a game that many consider fun, including me, and I've found myself spending money on outfits for glamour because I wanna make my character look cool by mixing and matching pieces of gear
@@OMartinez91 With big publishers, Issue is rarely that games does not make money, most often is that it does not make money as fast as publisher expected it to.
Also they compare two projects they have, see that one makes more money, and invest into it more. Often than means that one project starve, and other project, already being close to peak, starts to lose effectiveness, because it's physically can't make much more.
This video turned out to be useless because it doesn't start by defining its own premise first. What is a dead game to you?
It's described both in the description, and through the context clues of the show...for example, an abandoned game, or one that gets basically no updates...is dead. It's honestly not that hard to infer either.
@@nerdSlayerstudioss Chess didn't get any updates in the last 1000 years, so it's dead I guess?
@@FidelisRaven erm actually chess has gotten rule changes over time just saying
@@nerdSlayerstudiossSo Brood War is dead?
starcraft 2 is dead, ruined by the devs, they butchered the lore and gameplay, nothing but snowball and armor units that do way too much damage. sc1 > sc2
I think this video tries to paint the wrong picture. I dont see Starcraft II dying out in the next years. And I don't see StormGate or ZeroSpace killing it either. The Playercount of the game even though its all estimated numbers, is at an alltime high. Much much higher than the playercount of Brood War. The only thing dead is Blizzards support for the game. That does not mean its dead.
Sadly estimated numbers are effectively useless, and you just admitted the game was dead lol.
@@nerdSlayerstudioss How is queuing 10 seconds for a match considered dead?
@@nerdSlayerstudioss i dont see what pkger said what tells you Starcraft 2 is dead. The game is still played by a lot of players especially in PvE like coop and stuff
@@nerdSlayerstudioss huh ?
video - "estimates that the game has less players than AoE 2" - gets pointed out that this is wrong by the comments.
"Sadly estimated numbers are effectively useless, " - you just refuted your own point.
Pkger, while yes, blizz dont give as much content anymore, the game just had a balance update in march.
If Activision Blizzard doesn't declare Sc2 numbers, how can the author claim that the Aoe2/Sc ones are bigger?
And why did the EWC organizers chose Sc2 when those other rts are bigger?
This UA-camr cites SC2Pulse despite the fact that SC2Pulse only tracks ranked ladder.
@@cityofbhat7722 This poster is misinforming you because I publish the sources, and one of them actually is SC2 arcade/custom stats as well. Mate this is sad :(
@@cityofbhat7722you can also track arcade games which shows that there are 40.000 unique players everyday in average. We don’t have the number of coop games, but if I play it I get games in 5 seconds
@@nerdSlayerstudioss and Arcade/Custom Games do not include Co-Op, which is the biggest game mode.
@@cityofbhat7722 A single mode that the game didn't even start with, doesn't constitute alive. Especially when the numbers not being reported, doesn't make an argument for you either. What a weird argument.
Hello there,
I was one of the writers for teamliquid, covering SC2 esports.
You ommited a few details regarding SC2, although I guess it was to be expected as to not make the video a 1 hour essay xD. It was controversial from the beginning.
First problem, in the early days, the map design was terrible, the rush distance between main bases was very, short leading to many all-ins and frustrating games.
But they also had other design issues, like the edges of the maps being very large, making air harass and drops very easy to execute and hard to deal with, or the minerals sometimes being oriented towards the enemy, leading to some very strong and hard to deal with sieges.
But the later problems were free units. Zerg have this unit called the Infestor, which would could spawn infested terrans for 25 energy a pop, and no cooldown. After the rushing phase of the game was over, zergs pretty quickly learned that massing infestors was very strong. In addition zerg have fungal growth, which, at the time was a point and click ability, with pretty long range, which would root any units hit by it.
As such infestors provided damage and control when massed. However, zerg also had another extremely powerful late game flying unit called the Brood Lord. The BL would spawn a broodling with each long range auto-attack, effectively creating their own meatshield in the process. And as you can imagine when these two units were combined it made for a nigh unbeatable end game.
The meta at the time was dominated by zergs, all the favorites for all tournaments were always the top zergs, and it lead to very stale games as Terran and Protoss had no late game counters, they either had to all-in or die a very excruciating late game.
Blizzard didn't address this meta till the release of Heart of the Swarm, where they traded one bad meta for another. As such a lot of us have a very strong aversion towards free units to this day.
But SC2 also had a lot of design flaws which where discussed at length for years.
In BW the most efficient mining economy is having 1 worker per mineral patch, in SC2 its 2 workers. Also maps got standardized to mostly have 8 mineral patches per base.
While the difference seems small it hard profound effects, in BW the best economy involves having as many bases as possible, ideally 6. This lead to a lot more action and multi-tasking, as there was always a base you could attack, a chink in the opponents armor which could be exploited. It also lead to healthier action as, having the economy so spread out meant one attack was very rarely lethal.
In SC2, its very common for players to turtle on 3 active bases and only expand when their earliest base gets close to mining out, which leads to staler games.
There is also an argument to be made about SC2, just being too efficient for its own good. The pathfinding in SC2 is so good that you frequently have deathballs, and can actually lose your entire army in 3 seconds off inattention.
Despite the fact BWs aoe was stronger, it was somehow more skillful and fair to use and counter and I can give two examples off the top of my head.
In BW the Protoss High Templar has a bigger AOE and more damage on their Psi-Storms. However, in BW, if you order all your HT to storm one area, they all will do it, potentially wasting a lot of damage and energy, in SC2 you will get one storm at a time.
This leads to the need for the Protoss in SC2 to invest more micro into their AOE, making it more skillful, but also allows time and for their opponent to also react and counter-micro.
In BW if you drop a zealot in range of 20 siege tanks, all 20 will shot, in SC2 the game calculates in the back-end how many shots you need to kill a zealot, usually around 5, and only 5 tanks will fire. In BW this resulted in a lot more skill expression as you could counter tanks by dropping units on top of them, making the shoot each other, or baiting shots before going in with the bulk of the attack. It also forced the Terran to be a lot more aware in how he spread his tanks, and to dedicate more energy towards it. In SC2 you don't get as much of this due to how smart they are.
So, sorry for going on a huge tangent, but the TL:DR is, SC2's design was controversial from the start and continued to be so long into its future, and its probably a reason why it was never as popular with Korea as its earlier counterpart.
For my part, while I can say that SC2 was the easier game to play, (I also got to masters rank for 2 seasons), I think BW is the better designed game, flaws and all.
Overall good video though, you hit on the major pain points, like the tournament structure, balancing, region locking etc 😁
@@DestructiconSC Was not expecting a comment to have so much knowledge and good writing. You are a legend!
SC2 is way harder to play, way way harder. Not stated by me, stated by Koreans pro legends. BW is not better designed than SC2. Is incredible flawed (I still love it to my core) and was never conceived for competitive play (SC2 was, that is the definition of better design), and I can go on and on on why is better designed but is not relevant.
BW is only bigger in Korea and got the support from decades to do so, SC2 is bigger in the rest of the world, there are top tiers European players that are really young, if Activision-Blizzard had a brain they will put a little more money, revamp the campaigns, adding more stuff at least twice a year, change the monetization to be more tuned with cosmetics, promote tournaments and do what simple "peasants" mods with only donations are doing, (like the BW units, that is unbalanced now but is amazing).
SC2 is still to this day the best competitive e-sport to watch good players play, is not even close. Even with the pile of shit that blizzard is nowadays and the lack of support, the game is that good and has a lot more potential if well handled.
Edit: also another big point that I miss to comment to solidify the better design. SC 2 still looks good to these day, the optimization is crazy. There was a lot of RTS games that had been released in the 14 years that have passed since SC2 debut that aged poorly and look bad after a couple of years, also they cannot hold a candle in gameplay also (path recognition, maps, hud, etc).
Te conclusion is that the game is objectively better in every aspect, it "failed" to be a top tier mainstream game because is too hard and because it didn't receive the support others games had. This Blizzard that handles SC2 is not the same Blizzard that handled BW.
@@karituurihalme1007 Thanks :D
@@SebastianHackeado Yeah. I respect SC:BW a lot as the game that really popularized esports and RTS, but the game being "harder" because of technological limitations at its time is not the "healthy kind" of difficulty (i understand it's not intentional, but still).
AoE and spellcasting is way stronger in SC2 because units got smarter and naturally clump, so their damage ceiling needs to be reduced and now there is more skill involved in splitting your units to avoid such natural clumping if you are to respect AoE. All of these are naturally pathing/AI improvements and you're not trying to do things outside of the box just to make a Dragoon walk up a ramp in a straight line. Is that harder? Sure it is, but in a game revolving around both real time and strategy you shouldn't be spending so much time battling a flawed AI just to get a unit to walk straight.
There is a microscopic variance in how long a unit takes to fire again. This tiny difference isn't felt, but that's how the game "calculates" (it doesn't) how many shots it takes. The tanks "secretly" fire one by one but so quickly we don't notice, and then stop firing when the target is dead, leading to the assumption that the game calculates how many shots it takes. I believe this was explained on the bnet forums
> 60k viewers for the World Championship final alone
> 400k USD for the winner alone
> "dEaD gAmE cAusE rArE uPdAtE"
lmao. Stormgate is DoA compared to how SC2 is doing in its decline.
*falls asleep*
It's a genius idea. Pick a really popular thing and make a video calling it trash and turn on monetization. The fanboys can't help defending the thing they love so you get higher engagement, and therefore more money off viewers. It's genius
Absolutely. Wait which video are you talking about? I never a single time insulted SC2??
The game is not dead, you can find a match in less than a minute and there's professional tournaments being played weekly.
Thanks for demonstrating you didn't watch the video, and yet coming to support my content regardless!
Then you made a click bait title...
Deleted comments that called out and proved him wrong.
I love this comment section, great job Starcrafters, love y'all (even the terrans)
Great job bumping my video into greater success, and not playing the game you guys are so emotionally charged about (if you were playing it wouldn't hit 6k peak on ladder).
@nerdSlayerstudioss no problem man, enjoy all the ratios 👍
i have such fond memories of starcraft 2, the great cinematics, the wonderful campaigns and the nerve wrecking multiplayer. i remember the first time playing the heart of the swarm campaign, playing multiplayer matches with my friends and playing the custom maps. nexus wars and catch'n'run were my favorites, so many ours of my early youth was spent in this game. i'm really missing it
You want to play Stormgate too tho?
Wonderful campaigns?
I hope you mean custom campaigns because the main campaigns are horrible story-wise. Only Wings of Liberty is good while Heart of The Swarm is the worst (due to Kerrigan in general and her "redemption arc") and Legacy of The Void (for a ton of other things with Kerrigan getting away with everything).
@HieronymousLex same.
@@nerdSlayerstudioss Ive been in the early access as well as i was in the beta, have several dozens of hours, i dont see the longevity to SG as i do with SC2.
Respectfully,
Probably your first dud - Don't get me wrong, learning more about this games development and bits of trivia is fun, but this game is absolutely not dead and a lot of the numbers here aren't correct.
Looking at the comments, I can kind of tell you're not used to receiving a poor review on one of your videos. On the one hand, it's a testament to how consistently good your content is. On the other hand however, you are basically "asking for" people to berate you because you're replying to accurate critique with "waah you're a keyboard warrior waah"
Bro this game isn't dead?
It's like saying Melee or TF2 is dead
TF2 has easily, no exaggeration, 3x SC2s population. It has more players than SC2 in all regions, at all levels of play....
@@nerdSlayerstudioss In a comment to another person you stated that you don't know how many players sc2 has, and here you are 10 comments later confidently stating that "TF2 has easily, no exaggeration, 3x SC2s population". Ridiculous.
@@nerdSlayerstudioss Actually, TF2 players on Steam charts are not what it seems. At least 70% of those players on the steam charts are Idle bots farming items. Zesty Jesus made a video about it if you are interested. TFTeamworks site shows a more accurate number of the player count.
Dead? The playerbase is quite healthy, the matchmaking quick, and there are tons of professionals playing the game at a level higher than ever.
The last important tournament had a prize pool of 1.000.000€ So... dead isn't the word.
Even Starcraft 1: Broodwar still has a very active professional and casual playerbase.
I don't really think StarCraft 2 is a dead game, It still has a big following and thanks to creators like GiantGrantGames the arcade/modding scene is growing. I am someone who grew up with the second game,I have countless good memories and bad ones! It certainly can be a frustrating game if you play multiplayer, but I was always more of a singleplayer/coop guy. Speaking of which the games Coop mode was great it is a shame they shafted it so soon, from what I could tell the devs were really passionate about it. I'm gonna be honest I don't think it will truly be a dead game for along time just like how Brood War still has a large community to this day.
it was dead the moment they released wings of liberty, they ruined everything, story gameplay everything. but hey at least the graphics look shiny......
@@sarah42e i bet you think sc2 story is golden and written by angels dont ya? 🙄
@@sarah42e the game is dead even though people play the multiplayer. there you happy now?
@@sarah42e you too.
Starcraft 2 is FAR from dead. My girlfriend and I play 2v2 regularly and get a game within 2 minutes of queuing.
Nerd alert
@@RIVR-23 You're not wrong :)
Wow... I was browsing the comment section to see if anyone was discussing Stormgate, the new RTS game from Frost Giant which is made up of mainly former StarCraft devs, but instead, I find nerdSlayer arguing with people. So disappointing to see the "If you disagree then say it to my face!" kind of attitude from this channel.
To be clear, you can check my earliest videos and I always expected a bit more than most do from their audience. 3 main things even.
1. Watching the actual content, and being able to engage with it.
2. Being able to read the rules and understand the context of the series and video.
3. Be able to argue your perspective if you have spotted a grave error, or strongly disagree.
To be clear, nearly none of the negative commenters on this video did this. So the difference between me and most, is most don't even interact with their audience period, and second, I actually think it's hilarious to make fun of people who have an obvious lack of respect for me, my content, and the ability to argue in good faith (or period really). So for example, this comment is very "well you care about your job and arguments, and try to argue with people but when they don't argue back you make fun of them". Which doesn't offer anything of value to the discussion, thanks though!
@@nerdSlayerstudioss you must be trolling. You are also blatantly wrong -> game is still played single player on the campaign and also its still played online so its not dead anywhere, diminished, past its prime totally but not dead. You exaggerate its easy.
Yo, this guy is just a straight joke now. Actually had valid content and was very enjoyable, but obviously he's got issues that are just being lashed out onto anyone. Hope you find whatever it is your dealing with bud.
Wow such a dead game i just played 3 rankeds waited 0.5 sec in queue, this game is so dead
under 30 seconds in a queue, for matched rank games. I remember being sat in other games for minutes and get thrown in with very experienced players to get ROFL stomped.
how is this game dead? ppl still play it, there are still tournaments happening, and the koreans prefer starcraft 2 over fentanyl, not sure where this guy gets his info.
I'll be honest, I've enjoyed your content for years and generally have it running in the background while working etc but the replies on this video are.. Well, I'm sure you know. You are so well spoken in your videos but the comments from well intentioned people are all antagonistic and degrading. It's very contrary to the person in the videos.
In none of the replies I found had you actually responded to the concerns, you just said "it's in the description" and insulted people. You could just write things because you know God damn well no one reads descriptions and if you say you read every description of a video before commenting, you either don't watch UA-cam, or you're lying.
When making a video about the most popular rts, beloved by many and still with million dollar prize pools, you should have preemptively stated some information in why you're making this video. preemptively saying why you are stating such (given how it doesn't follow the theme of the doag series) and why sc2 fits. Your usual games on this series are games that are legit discontinued or less than 100 players and can reasonably say that yes, this game would be difficult to play if I were expecting to play with other people.
Finishing with this - I hope you have a good day and your day gets better. I hope the next videos comments are more professional and less attacking of your fans.
For what its worth, I agree / disagree. I agree that in terms of updates, sc2 is dead. That is the only way it is dead.
If someone were to ask "I want to play an rts", my immediate reaction is starcraft 2. No questions asked. After sc2 id suggest aoe4. Those are the only 2. It's hard to genuinely say something is dead and still have it be the first suggestion of what to play.
In terms of history, the video has been great. Hitting on good topics, turning points and drama. This would have been a great "what happened with" series where a game is not dead, but it's not as great as fans expected it to be.
"well intentioned people". People who demonstrate they didn't watch the video, don't understand the series nor the video, and then think I have to coddle their fee fees because they can't make arguments or read the rules. You literally wanted to argue they were right, so you had to lie about their intentions being good LOL.
Mate it doesn't matter how long you have been watching my content, if you can't understand this...pound sand, kindly. Nobody is owed politeness, when they can't exhibit any especially. Thanks!
I spent the whole video talking about the game not being as good as people wanted it to be...and you got triggered by the video title, despite watching multiple other DOAGs????? Huh? How do you genuinely not understand your absurdity lol?
@@nerdSlayerstudioss Dang bro, it's not your take on SC. It's this childish rant for me. I actually thought better of you.
Over 70k games played per day (more than AoE), multiple million dollar + winning players still going strong, million dollar tournament starting tomorrow, hundreds of thousands of views on SC2 games that occurred just this year on multiple channels, content creators putting out videos that get 50k+ viewers every week. Yeah, very dead game kekw.
If SC2 is dead, then this channel is decomposed & rotting.
I don't know where you are getting your numbers from, it would be nice if you actually showed it. But you are completely wrong, first by saying that bw has a bigger playerbase then sc2, then saying that aoe has a bigger player base then both sc, which is just ridicolous. Where the hell did you get that from? according to sc2pulse which very reliable sc2 has 70k 1v1 games played per day, and thats ONLY 1V1!! aoe2 has 15k average players per month, its impossible to have an accurate comparison between the games with these. But what is 100% true is that the sc2 playerbase is far bigger then any other rts, that is also acknoledged by every aoe2 player, if you actually looked at the stats you would know that aoe2 barely has a bigger player count then aoe4.
There are also STILL world tournaments and other tournaments with cash prizes going up to millions of dollars, which means there are investors willing to pot the money.
I dont understand how this game is "dead".
I first heard this that sc2 is dead and was said by asmongold and probably, the idea came from there. Probably.
@@konaqua122 there were people calling sc2 dead in like 2013.
Some people just think that if a game is not as big as league its dead
@@HieronymousLex you're so funny😂
If you randomly stumbled upon this video, I implore you to read the comment section.
I used to like this channel, but i never spent time in the comment section... the first time i tried to read the comments were enough to make me unsubscribe
The horror
Bro this is not how you respond to criticism. Make the Video pin the comment explaining your view that's it.
Why you had to go on this charade?
You could have made a vid on lost ark for example that game is really dead.
thanks for the support
Death of a channel: nerdSlayer, How to become a lolcow
Came for the video. Instead, the comment section is the entertainment (???)
Hey man! Reported for hateful and abusive comments!
Lmao got linked this simply so I could read this man-child's comments. Wasnt disappointed.
This "dead" game currently is one of the few games being contested at the biggest esports tournament of all time, with a 6 figure prize on the line. Right now, it is in the top 30 games being watched on twitch. Would you say that type of thing happens for a "dead" game?
Whatever your arguments are, you shouldn't have labeled it "dead", as it carries a really clickbaity connotation. I understand what you're going for but it's still flat out wrong.
The game isn't dead. It's a lot less popular than it used to be, yes, and many tournaments have ended, and itll probably completely die out in a few years. But as of right now, it is not "dead". Not by a long shot.
You've got a good thing going here in this series. Don't ruin it by reaching too hard.
Stormgate under 100 twitch viewers, playerbase dipped below 500 players less than 2 weeks after early access release.
EWC for Sc2 peaked over 60,000 viewers, still over 70,000 games daily for 1v1 alone, millions of dollars for teams and players. Very premature video. Sc2 has an uncertain future in terms of sponsorship and tournament organizers now, people have to weigh up the respectable numbers and see if they are respectable enough to carry on investing. Playerbase is decently sized,still a lot of vested interest, but not much new blood.
Sc2 is the king of RTS un disputed, and it will remain this way for considerable time yet.
This game didn’t die, it just got old and people stoped playing. You just made this video to promote stormgate!
High IQ argumentation skills at display
It's important to remember that SC2 was the FIRST strategy game in the world that was always online. It wasn't just a corporate move, it was a signaling that the industry as a whole was moving away from consumer quality to the horrific manipulation that we suffer from today. Bobby Kotick might be one of the greatest and most evil businessmen of all time which is why every other major games company followed Blizzard's lead in abandoning LAN.
this bullshit practice was actually started on consoles especially by CoD and Halo
I don't really understand this video. I guess it's only from the competitve PvP point of view. Because as a campaign and PvE player, SC2 was a success.
The game offered a lot of content, the best quality of life of any RTS ever (UI, pathfinding). It has been supported for 10 years before being shelved. It's easy to learn, hard to master. And there's tons of community-made content, from the SC1 remake Mass Recall to the coop versions of the campaigns. I replay through the campaigns every year and play coop regularly.
While I agree with a lot of this comment, I wholeheartedly disagree that SC2 is easy to learn especially for people new to the genre
It wasn't a success in Blizzard's eyes, because of the amount of return didn't match the investment in their eyes.
The game is set up to release content endlessly, but it's been on a skeleton crew for _years_ now. When was the last time they released anything worth mentioning? It's frankly in the same boat as HotS.
Blizzard needed to change their focus and direction, to cater to the casual crowd in order for SC2 to be successful, as in past tense, because it was already too late that Blizzard was already ruined long ago which I didn't realize back then
i think most people swapped to mobas because it's a lower skill floor, Ik me and my friend group did when lol came out over playing pvp in starcraft though nowadays i'd rather play aoe2 over a toxic moba game.
Co-op and customs was the highlight of sc2 imo so many incredible game modes
@@StolenTheifHow is SC2 not easy for newcomers ? It literally has the best tutorial of any RTS game. Starts with minimum interface, teaches how to select units. After that it teaches basic macro with Terran, then Zerg and finally Protoss. All in the form of a mini-campaign. Takes less than 15 minutes.
Then you have the campaigns themselves. WoL starts slowly with a cool story and basic missions.
Most stupid title. The game is 14 years old and still has a solid player base. Wtf is he on about?
Disliked just for the pettiness of the creator with his comment section. The content itself was alright.
AoE2 actually has a lower population than SC1, let alone SC2, let alone both combined. Blizzard not releasing their player numbers lead to these types of misconceptions. Otherwise, some good points have been made in the video and it is cool that you used the video to promote Stormgate :)
Edit: Since my answer isn't going through for some reason I will copy-paste my reply as an edit.
I don't know why you made the assumption that you played SC2 more than me or that I wouldn't have receipts but anyway.
For SC1, it is quite easy actually. You log in to battle net at Korean prime times and see that it has over 25k concurrent players logged in to its servers. That's about the same or slightly higher than what AoE2 is getting (DE + HD combined) these days. You can maybe argue that AoE2 also has some players on Game Pass but SC1 players don't even count those who are playing the campaign, single player skirmish or hanging out in the main menu. At best, we can say they have similar player numbers. What you said about AoE2 having more players than SC1 and SC2 combined is clearly false just from these numbers.
For SC2, Blizzard used to hold summits with content creators and provide additional info. TotalBiscuit said that during one of these summits, devs mentioned SC2 had 2 million monthly active users. That's in 2017 but shortly after that summit, SC2 switched to F2P and actually show an increase in playerbase. Someone on reddit did some calculations when Blizzard was sharing more info on the client and came up with the number that SC2 had around 60k concurrent players without counting co-op:
www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/6w5lku/updated_starcraft_player_count/
And co-op is the most popular mode as mentioned several times by StarCraft 2 devs. We don't know about co-op numbers but since then, ladder playerbase has remained mostly stable:
sc2pulse.nephest.com/sc2/?season=60&queue=LOTV_1V1&team-type=ARRANGED&us=true&eu=true&kr=true&cn=true&bro=true&sil=true&gol=true&pla=true&dia=true&mas=true&gra=true&page=2&type=ladder&ratingAnchor=5638&idAnchor=272715207&count=7#stats-day
So it stands to reason that those numbers would be similar today. Co-op numbers might have dipped as that mode relies on new content but the numbers didn't include co-op anyway.
These numbers show that SC2 is clearly still the most popular RTS (I am hoping that changes soon with Stormgate's release). I don't expect you to be so familiar with one specific game and have all of this info. I wasn't being critical and was trying to correct one factually incorrect statement in your video and I was trying to be as nice as possible since I like your content. Cheers!
Could you show some sources? Because saying "blizz don't release dere data" is a really elementary, even delusional argument. I am even a player who plays and played more than you, so who are you trying to fool mate? Rofl.
@@nerdSlayerstudioss I don't know why the assumption that you played SC2 more than me or that I wouldn't have receipts but anyway.
For SC1, it is quite easy actually. You log in to battle net at Korean prime times and see that it has over 25k concurrent players logged in to its servers. That's about the same or slightly higher than what AoE2 is getting (DE + HD combined) these days. You can maybe argue that AoE2 also has some players on Game Pass but SC1 players don't even count those who are playing the campaign, single player skirmish or hanging out in the main menu. At best, we can say they have similar player numbers. What you said about AoE2 having more players than SC1 and SC2 combined is clearly false just from these numbers.
For SC2, Blizzard used to hold summits with content creators and provide additional info. TotalBiscuit said that during one of these summits, devs mentioned SC2 had 2 million monthly active users. That's in 2017 but shortly after that summit, SC2 switched to F2P and actually show an increase in playerbase. Someone on reddit did some calculations when Blizzard was sharing more info on the client and came up with the number that SC2 had around 60k concurrent players without counting co-op:
www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/6w5lku/updated_starcraft_player_count/
And co-op is the most popular mode as mentioned several times by StarCraft 2 devs. We don't know about co-op numbers but since then, ladder playerbase has remained mostly stable:
sc2pulse.nephest.com/sc2/?season=60&queue=LOTV_1V1&team-type=ARRANGED&us=true&eu=true&kr=true&cn=true&bro=true&sil=true&gol=true&pla=true&dia=true&mas=true&gra=true&page=2&type=ladder&ratingAnchor=5638&idAnchor=272715207&count=7#stats-day
So it stands to reason that those numbers would be similar today. Co-op numbers might have dipped as that mode relies on new content but the numbers didn't include co-op anyway.
These numbers show that SC2 is clearly still the most popular RTS (I am hoping that changes soon with Stormgate's release). I don't expect you to be so familiar with one specific game and have all of this info. I wasn't being critical and was trying to correct one factually incorrect statement in your video and I was trying to be as nice as possible since I like your content. Cheers!
Ooof. You make good content generally, but this one is a bit off base. What’s worse is your response to people who don’t agree with ya. Id have been fine with a hot take, it ain’t your first, but your responses are a bad look. Maybe you’ll pop up again in the future and I’ll give ya another whirl, but I’m unsubscribing due to your poor responses in the comments. Insulting viewers ain’t something I care to support.
Some advice - always a bad idea to force content simply because you need a strawman for an ad or can't figure any other way to hit an upload cycle. You can see from your replies to the comments that you have emotionally invested into your preconceived conclusion, while a large part of the viewer-base disagrees. This is alienating viewers who would otherwise be repeat customers for you, and new viewers like me who have not yet subscribed and just found you, all for some ego insecurity issue and/or some need to justify shilling Stormgate (another game I like, btw). It's much healthier for your long-term channel goals to be honest and upfront, if this is an ad you can just say so at the beginning and jest about whatever game you want being "dead" after and no one will be put-off. But you have to at least get your numbers right, and you completely botched that element. This is a common theme for mid-tier creators just trying to force content out. Anyway, take it or leave it.
not gonna read all that, sorry or im happy for you!
@@nerdSlayerstudioss Nerdslayer: i make fun of people who cannot argue.
Also Nerdslayer: I'm not going to read genuine, honest feedback made by my viewers to recieve an objective viewpoint.
Nerdslayer, i love your content, you make really good stuff! But you have to respect your audience. Being hostile and acting the way you have in this comment section does not paint you in a good light. I want you to succeed. I am not saying you should bend over backwards or take shit unnecessarily. I am saying you need to take time and interact respectfully with all parts of your audience. If someone disagrees, you either respectfully accept that, or ignore it. Don't agitate that which does not need attention if its for the worse.
I still wish you the absolute best of luck with your future endeavours! ❤
@@nerdSlayerstudiossMr sensitive 😂
@@nerdSlayerstudioss You should let your ego take a few steps down and listen to good feedback. Otherwise you're never going to find out what's wrong and why your channel isn't growing anymore, and sooner or later this channel will be dead.
@nerdSlayerstudioss dude makes some good points. I watch your stuff regularly and if I do make content I'm following his advice to the letter. UA-camrs tend to take stuff personally but at the end of the day your making a product for the public. Agree or disagree with criticism as you will, but public relations 101 would tell you to take constructive critique to heart but NEVER respond to or with negativity. Magnanimity is your friend.
Good luck man, take a break if you need to we all just like video games after all it's why we come here.
Scarlett winning IEM Katowice 2018, Total Biscuit's Shoutcraft Kings monthly tourneys, HAS vs Serral, Kiwian's livestreams, MCanning's video campaigning to be the US Contender for NationWars are just a few of my favorite memories. I think the game failed for a few reasons, but the primary reason i think, is that in the last decade of introduction of mobile gaming, as well as the increased popularity of short matches in many games; to encourage more games played by players, while SC matches can run a bit longer; and the skill ceiling is incredibly hard, and many of my friends, for example, don't play SC2, and never did, and never will, as they think the game is too hard.
The failure of the WCS was also a great detriment to the popularity of the game.
Also, that pet in WoW that made more money in sales than they ever made off of SC2; which is a real bummer.
RIP SC2; you still are a great game. Let's hope that Stormgate or ZeroSpace can hold it down and bring back RTS to more players.
msg me on discord n.s. if you want a key
Oh yea Scarlett iem that's a good one. Her cheesing rouge I think it was with noregrets builds and taking him out quickly was dumb and funny
@@danieln6700>Her
Mine was the return of Flash making that insane run years back.
StarCraft 2 died with the last TB's erect penis. God damn I miss him. He would have a field day with 'great' games we have today.
Yet another cheap, pointless video repeating all the same arguments about SC2 death. Not every game needs to be a service and continue forever. I for one appreciate how SC2 turned out to be. It's a great, finished game that I have very fond memories from, both from the competitive events and playing the campaign. It's like a good tv series that has a few great season and a memorable send off. On the other hand I don't have any memories from LoL, even though I played it more. The game went into so many circles, back and forth changes that at this point they seem meaningless, and are done only for the sake of it with no real goal at the end. I do remember the swarm hosts domination era because it was special, one of a kind thing. One great thing needs to end so you can invest your time into another great thing. For me, closure makes the life more fulfilling.
This wasn't at all how you described, IMO next time you want to make a post people give a fuck about maybe actually try to consume the material. No offense if you don't I don't really care about your personal opinions mate.
@@nerdSlayerstudioss What wasn't how I described? Not pointless? cheap? repetitive? Just count how many times you mentioned lack or infrequency of patches/updates for SC2. Also, you just showed that you actually do care about my opinion by responding, and claiming twice (in two sentences) how you don't care :D
what I find funny in this video is that with your arguments dota 2 is also a dead game. It also stagneted for a long time, it also gets updates much less frequently and it also lost a lot of players in the last couple of years.
So unless you think that dota 2 is dead, you cannot really claim that sc2 is dead
DOTA2 never had a mass exodus of players. It still has 900k players from its 1.2M peak.
@@Winters004 dota has 476,610.4 average players curently, in its peak it had 700k average players. Dota undoubtadly is past its peak.
And sc2 also had no mass exodus of players, the guy might have said so, but nowhere did he provide proof of that.
Funnily enough sc2 today has more players then or about the same as it had in 2014-16
@@paulogodinho3275if he does that then its gonna be one heck of a LoL ad.
The logic of a false comparison. It’s like claiming that one vehicle with a dead battery and one with a blown engine must both be totaled or neither must be totaled because they both won’t start.
@@norberthiz9318 no such thing as past its peak. If anything, Steamdb has shown that it progressively grows upward for the last 2 years and remains stable for over a decade.
Bullshit.
Starcraft 2 is fine and is still the best RTS game ever. Not one RTS game compares to it in terms of viewership and its audience is continuously growing despite what happened to Blizzard due to community efforts.
Notice you only use "viewership" as a metric to compare...because AOE2, a 20 year old game would cream it in ANY other category effortlessly. Bullshit my ass, learn how to argue without being an emotional dolt when your game gets mentioned.
Bro i have no love for Blizzard ect. but wtf are your comments here and reactions. Is this a troll or are you legally obligated to simp for Stormgate?
So you couldn't make an argument...so you came to defend people who couldn't as well in the comment, and then accused me of fraud for the lulz? Huh?
@@nerdSlayerstudioss I just come to make fun of you my friend. (well you are doing that by yourself) Some things in life are really that simple.
For the lulz, Amen
I don't think it's fair to say Starcraft 2 failed. It was a highly successful game that lead the charge for esports on a global scale. Other companies would love to have a game as successful as this one was. Not all games need to last forever to be considered a success. I wouldn't say Half-Life 2 failed because it's currently a dead game. As a side note most RTS players only cared about single player, and campaign in RTS games. This has been mentioned many times by Blizzard, and other RTS developers. They enjoyed the campaign and loved it then moved on. That's okay.
I don't quite understand, SC1 and AOE2 are both infinitely more successful/popular...as in right now. I get your biased with your screen name, but it's just strange you ignore that.
@@nerdSlayerstudioss Yeah and I wouldn't say SC1, AOE2, or SC2 are failures. I don't get why you mentioned those games because I didn't. It's okay that other games may be more popular and successful but that doesn't mean something else failed because of that. There are more popular youtube channels than yours, but you are not a failure or a dead channel.
I'm just disagreeing with calling the game a failure like you did at the end of your video. My screen name is because I do Baldur's Gate content btw so don't just assume someone is biased.
AOE2 isn't a failure it's bigger than both SC games. Sigh.
@@nerdSlayerstudioss A simple google search would tell you that SC1 in Korea alone is bigger than AoE2. I can see you just are spouting misinformation..
@@nerdSlayerstudioss 15k average players, bros tripping balls to think its bigger than both sc games lol
if people play RTS, they play starcraft/sc2 - no amount of ignorance or being butthurt in the comments will change that buddy.
the genre is dead, if anything.. but if a game within that genre is still somewhat thriving, its starcraft (especially in terms of viewer retention compared to other dogshit modern RTS titles nobody cares about)
Game isnt dead, just doesnt have the cultural influence it once had. Still my personal fav rts by far. The death was more of a genre thing imo rather than the game itself.
The montezation thing is a huge deal and its something they really need to figure out for the genre going forward
Don't forget that they tried to sue the DOTA 2 creators to try and claim the entire game genre that is the MOBA, because it was first built using their level editor from WC3. They lost that lawsuit, and then changed the TOS for SC2 to say that they own anything you make with the level editor. This killed the custom game scene before the game even came out.
Came for obvious click bait video of a not dead game, left for unhinged replies of the UA-camr in the comments section. Now waiting for someone to make a video about this nutcase channel.
reported misinformation
thanks for the engagement and inability to point out what was
Wow this video is poorly made
thanks for the support
I dunno man... SC2 is still going quite strong. I think you pulled the trigger a bit early here.
Based on what? And can you disprove any of the arguments made? Or even try lol
@@nerdSlayerstudioss No, I don't disagree with much of what you said. Blizzard made stupid choices, and was full of asshats, if anything this video is more a chronicling of how crappy Blizzard became when Activsion took over, through the lens of what we publicly saw happen with SC2. The game isn't really dead though you can hop on the latter and get a game in a couple minutes, or less so there's quite a lot of folks still playing the game. I would agree that it's dead to anyone who wants more story content, but is not, and never was, the entire audience. I do agree though, as you say, SC2, and the overall franchise, is not doing great either, I really do hope Microsoft does something with the IP, and hopefully that doesn't come with a monkey paw curling. I didn't mean to come off as "lol game exists, not dead dumbass," and I'm sure you get plenty of that kind of comment. I honestly think you pulled the trigger on it being "dead" a bit too early. If nothing changes in a maybe a year or two though, you'll be spot on. If MS does nothing, I think the new RTSes coming out soon will pull the majority of what's left of the player base away.
The fact that you need tor respond to every single comment by insulting them kinda says something.
Guys, just let's make a list of all false claims this guy made and copy paste it everywhere to complete meltdown period (No, dont do that, thats a joke, chill). Oh, it's soo much fun, not because of the video or the responses but the same fact that this dude is STILL in denial.
Thanks for the engagement and you dodging the argument, debate, or flogging as it'd be in this case is funny btw. Kids scared online 😂
Death of a Game moment for SC2 was when a single WoW premium mount made more money than Wings of Liberty.
fack, didn't knew that, stupid whales
That's a sad day for gaming in general.
That was the death of a business model. The current freemium/pay-to-win models are a direct result of that
Death of a Game,
Or
The Death of Gaming?
Yes, we've all seen the same UA-cam short
SC2’s map editor is straight-up an IDE. Play some Mafia, do some Island Defence 3, run a Kobold Tribes lobby, yell Oh No It’s Zombies!
The SC2 Arcade has some real talent in its creations.
I wouldn't say the game is dead just because developer is not releasing new content.
StarCraft community is alive and well. Even Brood Wars.
damn last 2 videos kinda poking the nest, and im not even playing these games
you act like a kid in comments too, please look back and understand you are doing the thing that you condemn
i dont want this ch. to die
"act like a kid" = make fun of people who can't argue, fall for a dumb trap I set in the video (so it proves you didn't watch it), and I don't tolerate idiocy. That's not a kid mate, that's called having a principled stance you would rather tone police (a fallacy) than address head on. My channel was built on this.
@@nerdSlayerstudioss Yes, i did watch it, this is the only reason im here, ridiculous claim. I also agree with a lot of points in the video. Now, calling anyone 0 IQ or/and idiot in the comment does sound to me like something a kid would say when they are mad, doesnt matter who the commenter is. Either don't comment anything since you know you know "better" or give a counter argument to those 3 paragraph, well made comments that try to tell you something that you maybe didn't catch. Honestly this whole thing would have been 10 times less of a problem if you didn't comment like that, this is the thing people are mainly mad about, not the video itself. UA-camrs CAN make mistakes (your behavior in this example) and it is much better to admit to it than keep the fire burning.
कल्पयतु रचनात्मका आलोचना न गृहीत्वा टिप्पण्यानि विलोपयितुं यतः भवन्तः तत् श्रोतुं न इच्छन्ति तथा च कवरं कर्तुं क्रीडाः समाप्ताः भवन्ति यतोहि भवन्तः स्वस्य मधुमेहस्य औषधस्य भुक्तिं कर्तुं प्रवृत्ताः सन्ति भवन्तः शक्तिं मत्तं बफूनम्
समर्थन के लिए धन्यवाद
I have to keep reminding myself that there are people who think that StarCraft 2 is a PvP game first with campaigns as an afterthought.
As for me, the campaigns are the bread and butter of StarCraft, and I really don't care about the multiplayer, except for the co-op mode.
For people like me, StarCraft 2 never "died" because they finished the campaigns, and I can replay those whenever I want.
Hallucinated Voidrays and it failed because MOBAS took all the hype. Excited for Stormgate since I haven't played an RTS in years and am excited to try them again.
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@@nerdSlayerstudioss thanks for the code! Love your vids
@@Szgerle is it? How so? Thought it was promising, but I don't know that much...
@@Szgerlegame hasn't even released and its f2p just try it and give feedback to devs if u dont like it💀
u realize
most of that army
was halluc
???? I watch Starcraft II and play it to this day. It's really not dead, it has a decent playerbase. Sure it's not in the peak of popularity, but it's definietly not dead, and no Stormgate won't kill SCII.
I would not call it "dead". It is still the most sucessfull RTS for over 10 years. Multiplayer RTS is a really niche genre. Tons of people stay play Co-op or the Arcade. Moders did a lot of custom campgains in the last few years.
There's also the resurgent modded campaign scene. Which seems to be breathing new life into StarCraft two.
AOE2 is infinitely more successful by every metric, and I cringe when supposed RTS fans like you pretend only WC and SC exist. Yeesh.
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The level of competition isn't there, Viper wouldn't last a second against the worst foreign pros in SC2 and Brood War
And also its pretty funny that you would talk like that to anyone seeing you're a giveaway scammer
@@tictacterminator Level of competition? Wtf are you on about? That has nothing to do with the facts I presented weirdo, go outside. Giveaway scammer? What is the scam exactly? Giving something away for free with no strings attached? So you both can't argue, and had to go to false accusations when your fee fees got hurt? Get owned loser.
If the game is being kept alive by the community only, it's basically a corpse that's being reanimated by the sheer force of will of the community. It's the same situation with Team Fortress 2. It's basically a zombie that's being kept alive by the community, but it's still a dead game to the developer. The game is dead and inb4 yes I am aware that Valve did push out a temp fix to a public server issue after years of nothing.
UA-cam Trends and Google Searches prove SC1 is more popular than all of AoE. Last SC2 update was this March.
No updates does not mean the game is dead. A polished game does not need to be updated every month. Its just not for everyone.. but the community is still alive and kicking!
I refuse to play again until they patch it so that I start with 66 workers, 6 gases, 3 bases, and +1/+1 upgrades already started. Then I can play a full 3 hour game in 30 seconds like everyone wants.
I think the real show is in the comment section. I don't even play starcraft but it looks like everyones favorite investigator is trying to lose as much fans as he can. Going to be honest I don't think he has as much passion for these videos anymore and has been coming off as if he dislikes his own fanbase, or the natural fanbase a gaming channel acquires. Of course thats ultimately a guess, but the quality, length, and strength of arguments in his videos, as well as arguments left on the weigh side, I think its all getting to him. He probably awakes to dozens if not hundreds of comments from various fan boys from across the gaming sphere, many of them may not even be subbed or frequent his videos/complete his videos before commenting. Im sure years of this stuff gets to people, but ultimately this is not a good look. I hope whatever is driving this negative endeavor is resolved soon. As someone who can often rage in the comment section i will not unsub, but if this continues I may eventually, I think if this continues a lot of people will eventually.
Learn how to argue and take the tone policing else-where, it's mostly useless and I am not at all interested in it. Which is why I designed my channel and rules the way I did. You seem quite new to any of this, which is funny how you pretend to know me in any way besides watching videos you didn't emotionally disagree with. It's getting to me, is rich. You should see my recent stream on it, I was SEETHING. LMAO ua-cam.com/video/XX7imlrstpg/v-deo.html
@@theflail LOL at this fake sympathy shit. Nobody cares about your emotional feels, take them somewhere else loser. I certainly didn't ask for some rando's sympathy when this is literally one of my most successful videos yet, and your best arguers tapped out after a few Discord points.
How is it even possible to not know how you lost when there is a robust replay where you can see exacly what your opponent did and where you failed to counter it?
The comments have been the best part about this video lol.
The replies in these comments from you are definitely pushing me away from watching your content. Youre having quite immature reactions to criticism for a game that seems quite far from "dead" just less updated than others.
All of that whining and tone policing me to make the same dog shit argument with your fee fees. That's comical. It hasn't been updated in a year and a half, which means it actually HASN'T been updated like the others.
There literally was an update in automn and another one this spring, it's not a lot, but why lie ?
@@nerdSlayerstudiossyour replies are comical. Imagine lying to your audience for 30 mins for an ad.
@@nerdSlayerstudioss false claim alert!
@@nerdSlayerstudioss Damn that's crazy, I must have imagined the Cyclone rework
Nostalgia and depression. Sc2 was so good and fun for a time. Sad what happened to blizzard. The ow2 bs really the final nail. That could of done a lot if they actually made all that stuff
I would still play Overwatch if I could. The new monetization system ruined it for me. I was able to get every skin I wanted just by playing, there is no way im spending 20-40$ for a skin.
Ironically, SC2 was what helped me survive depression when I first found the announcement of it.
StarCraft will never die. It is one of the best science-fiction stories ever told. It has it's cohesive, believable story and captivation characters like no other. StarCraft has captivated so many minds since it's birth, that only your title is offensive to it's legacy. This game and it's story will never die and will always be a cult classic. StarCraft and StarCraft 2 still to this day keeps it's players to hundreds of thousands around the world.
I'd say this is generally good analysis, but calling sc2 "dead" is a bit of a reach. It remains the most popular RTS and was so popular during its peak that it kind of prevented any other RTS from gaining too much traction because nothing could compete. I'd say the only "mass exodus" was around Heart of the Swarm with the stale meta, though that was recovered from -- known concrete player numbers were at their highest in 2018. The tournament scene is still going strong, melee queue times are still low -- more than can be said about most 7 year old games, never mind 14 year old ones -- co-op and arcade game modes are still incredibly popular and probably why sc2 player counts are at the top or near the top of all RTS. You're also neglecting talking about the single-player and modding scenes, which have seen a massive resurgence in the last 5 years between CCM, Twitch Trolls Grant, Nightmare Mode, Synergy's race-swaps and Azeroth Reborn, Archipelago, the big outpouring of Chinese overhaul mods, etc.
"Dead" has been a common phrase for melee-only people getting frustrated with less frequent balance patches and loss of Blizzard support, but in many game modes sc2 is gaining players or holding relatively steady, not losing them.
It is NOT the most popular RTS, and anyone telling you that is literally delusional. Blizzard fanboys, stop pretending AOE hasn't been dominating you for decades losers. Not to mention you conveniently ignored the majority of the arguments I made.
@@nerdSlayerstudioss I admit I haven't reviewed numbers recently, and Blizzard stopped posting them so the GGG video on "The next big RTS will fail" used extrapolation to get some numbers. But I think it's inarguable that it was the most popular RTS around WoL, likely was the most popular (definitely top 3) around the 2016-~2018 time, and even today is probably top 3 going by user counts.
I don't think my argument depends on sc2 being the very top, though, it works just fine if it's top 3 or top 5 which I think is a fair assumption. As I said, tournaments continue, queue times are low, the arcade is full of lobbies, streamers still stream, and new mods are still being made and attracting audiences. I've personally experienced the growth of CCM and Archipelago being in those discords. All this tells me that sc2 is not in a death spiral right now. And I wouldn't call this level of playerbase and community engagement any kind of failure for a 14-year old game; sc2 is only "dead" specifically if you focus on either developer abandonment (which may be a positive for the community, given Blizzard's recent state) or focus solely on melee 1v1 benchmarked against eSports, which is how a minority of players experience the game. Not every game has to be an eSport, and sc2 frankly is more fun away from that business in my experience. Dropping that standard easily leaves sc2 a standout success gamefeel-wise even much later.
As for ignoring your arguments, I don't think I did. I saw further down someone else posted disagreement and criticized the use of the word "dead", you responded by saying the definition was in the description, and thus I targeted my argument at your description definition. The game isn't "literally dead", I can play it and there's other players in lobbies and on ladder. Blizzard still exists. Therefore, the only condition you can be building your argument towards is that the game had a mass exodus of players and never recovered, and I am arguing against that. Player numbers are doing fine, the mass exodus you identify in your analysis is around Heart of the Swarm with Swarm Host meta, and I pointed out that exodus was recovered from -- game numbers were higher in 2018 than 2014, ergo recovery. CCM only became a thing circa 2019~2020, and that's been the heart of the game for many people, that's after your identified exodus. I didn't state this initially, but I'll also point out that while you say many pros retired during and after HotS, many new ones joined the scene. I don't even follow the pro scene all that much, but even I can tell you that Dark, Reynor, Clem, Serral, Maxpax, Rogue, Neeb, Scarlett, etc are all big deals and highly skilled players that draw fanbases and crowds. Checking their liquipedia pages, they've got ton of events and roles dated to well into the 2020s. It's not my cup of tea, but from a distance this kind of hype screams anything but "dead".
I should clarify I don't really have a horse in this game. I don't care for the pro scene, I don't play ladder often and when I do it's 2v2, I'm here for single-player and don't really care too much if people say the pro scene is dead. This isn't an "aoe vs sc, there ain't enough room for the 2 of us in this genre" situation, we can all enjoy the games we like. I can't say I'm a regular viewer, but the way you've responded in the comments has definitely been worrying, and I hope you're doing okay. I don't mean to ruffle feathers by posting my own perspective, I was more so looking to see if you or others in the comments had more to add with their own experiences, particularly with non-melee/pro gamemodes. I hope I didn't come across as another person yelling "you're wrong" in a comment section, and if I did I think it's best we leave this thread here. That said, calling me "literally delusional", "pretending AOE hasn't been dominating me", and "ignoring the arguments you made" doesn't encourage me to come back.
Well, since game isn't dead title must be click bait.
The game is hardly dead, since it has a healthy and active playerbase, and an active competitive scene, even after 14 years. Sure it doesn't match to Brood War and Blizzard has abandoned support, but that still doesnt mean the game is dead, it's just in maintenance mode.
Also, many of the arguments you make could be made for Warcraft 3 back in 2017, before the announcement of Reforged, yet that game was hardly dead. To me, this video's thesis and conclusion seems more like your own personal grudge with Sc2 and Blizzard, rather than an unbiased finding. I'm not attacking you or your character, but just how I perceived this video. Normally I enjoy your content, but with this one, I have to disagree with you.
I remember TB trying his hardest to keep the game alive with his personal tournaments
Sc2 is still alive
oh yeah? whens the new content drop?
@@AMVmushroomit's a 14 year old game. The #'s tho are anything but dead.
@@AMVmushroom Brood war hasn't seen a patch in 2 years, and before that there was a 3 year gap. Whats your point?
I love my stacraft 2 community. This comments fells like nerdslayer just played a 1v1, lost the game and the winner just dm him with a "n00b go play tetris".
Very compelling criticism and analysis from a player who can't even beat me 1v1 either.
I was one of the weird players that played more Co-op and custom arcade games. It was some of the best times working with other people as probes to work on our own tower defense. Co-op was my bread and butter and I always enjoyed helping carry those in need through difficult missions to help level up their commanders. Particularly during covid when they allowed players to be any commander for free for a time.
The learning curve was what kept me from staying too long. I had not participated in the main multiplayer much knowing my own weaknesses as a player, and the general skill level of the people I would be up against would be a frustrating at best.
I think Stormgate has that learning potential I never managed to grasp in Starcraft 2.
I play ladder everyday.
Get games for 1s and 2s instantly.
If Sc2 is dead, so is WoW.
Well no that's just a silly statement to make. WoW is still receiving active development and will do for years to come. Finding completely accurate player population statistics is next to impossible. But WoW has more players likely by an order of magnitude. Meanwhile SC2 has clearly been abandoned by Blizzard for several years now.
Never unsuscribed from cringe so fast before. Sayonara
SC2 is dead?
If i ladder, i can still get games in reasonable times.
Custom-Game Lobbies are full, there are at least 3 youtubers shoutcasting matches almost daily and some even host tournaments.
There's SC1 vs SC2 mod (Think they call it SC2 Evo), which combines brood war and SC2, and it's taking off so much in korea right now, they host tournaments about it too.
Sure it's not as populated any more as it was when it launched, but SC2 is now 14 years old, 10 years if you want to calculate from the release of legacy of the void.
Most games would very much like to be this "dead"
Starcraft 2 isn't dead.
It is
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As a new viewer = theres nothing to respect you for after those comments . and you delete my first comment . delete you're entire channel
Welcome to the channel and thanks for the support. I would read the description to learn more about the series, the rules, and join the Discord to learn more about me personally. You will find when people fail to do the first few things I have little respect for them when they also can't argue at all, or in good faith. For example, this comment doesn't actually argue anything, it just complains. Why would I care about that?
@@nerdSlayerstudioss drugs are bad. Mental illness?
@@savagedonut being raised by grandma has its consequences.
Bro's breaking his own rules in the comment section :'D