Hoka Mach 6 - Still a Hoka, but is a still a Mach?
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- Опубліковано 17 чер 2024
- My initial impressions of the Hoka Mach 6 after 42km (26mi).
0:00 Intro
2:21 Specs
3:27 Upper & fit
7:12 Midsole & foam
9:52 Outsole
11:31 Ride
15:29 Next steps
16:55 Outro
Disclosures: No one is paying me to make this video and no one has any editorial control over the contents of this video. Additionally, I have no connection into Hoka’s design or marketing process. Everything I cover in this video is my own opinion and experience.
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I got smacked on the chin this morning on my run. The tree definitely won that round.
next round bring a chainsaw😂 (chinsaw)
Probably a Hoka agent
Haha
I'm convinced that running shoe stores get wider margins from both Hoka and ON. Every time I walk into a store, I see half the customers trying on Hokas and the other half trying ON. Do your homework, people. I'm not a Hoka person, but I know someone who is, and I'll share this with her. Cheers, Chris.
“Core” running stores definitely push Brooks and Hoka via incentives. On has the athlesiure and pop culture thing out of the pandemic. Hoka has the same for Gen Z for casual wear.
Two brands that are milking the popularity and investment for all it’s worth.
@@SagasuRunning truth
Yeap some running shoe shops lean heavily on ON and Hokas with only a few saucony and asics that's why I only trust shops that carry every brand equally
@@klipklapklop3359 same
Good to see we both have this one, Rebel v4 and Novablast 4. Now you just need the Speed 4 :) Having now done my "sort of" first impressions vids on the Rebel v4 and Mach 6 I finding some "sort of" similarities. OK for my narrow feet the Mach 6 is "on paper" a far better fit as the Rebel v4 is very very wide but I do find Hoka's fit a bit odd as you say and "torpedo" like. I did get two blood blisters on side of my right foot after first run in the Mach 6 but now I think about it could actually from wearing the Invincible 1 the previous day which had not for ages and had been a real blister fest shoe. Overall though agree these shoes are sort of something and nothing for me. For sessions/tempo runs I will reach for a "proper" super shoe and one of my large "fleet" of Vaporflys is always a goto. Both these Mach 6 and Rebel v4 have that 5-6 mm "lower" drop which I struggle with a bit as I find deeper into a run that drop starts to feel a bit "slappy" for me. Both the midsoles are neither soft nor firm - well by modern day standards. I think I need more time in both to see which prefer. It "ought" to be the Mach 6 purely on fit but I didn't find either "easy" to run fast in but I guess I want this type of shoe for typical hour or so easy/steady runs on non session days when if I feel good might push the pace/effort a bit. Agree though for a "real" plod the Novablast 4 is the more obvious choice and, blisters aside, if I am really battered it is either Invincible or a rest day. It could just be I revert back to the Speeds for my light everyday option but was keen to try something a bit different and maybe there is some training effect varying drops in shoes that we use.
The width of the Rebel v4 is just one of many issues with ther shoe. More in due time!
I’m going to get a speed 4… I just need to find one here in Taipei. I’m going to go look later in the week. I think I know where I can find them now.
Interesting about the blisters. That must have been from the I3.
I saw you posted a Rebel v4 video… that’s video one in my queue when I wake up!
Never tried a hoka but this looks tempting
This is likely the best one to start with or try… beyond the Clifton.
Thx for sharing, excellent video as always,out of interest wondering what would be your absolute maximum miles/KMs you put into a trainer/racer before you retire them please?
Thx again,keep these coming 👊🙏
I don't have a limit or a specific mark I set. As soon as the shoe feels flat or it's giving my feet or legs aches or pains that it didn't before I will usually turn the shoe into a casual shoe or it goes into the donation bag. I'm ruthless with that, I don't think huge mileage in a shoe is a badge of honor, I protect my body first.
Thank you for the support!
Beautiful shoe ❤
For a Hoka, it's not bad.
@@SagasuRunning My wife only buys white shoes.. Then she washed them to the stay white.. Never washed a shoe in my life..
@i.p2088 I like most things in black… but I do like white running shoes. However, not these as much. I wash my shoes after every run. Haha.
One of the issues with HOKA here in Australia is that they're exorbitantly expensive. For example, compared to the RRP for the Velocity Nitro 3 of AU$180, the Mach 6 is AU$260! Compare that to the US where the difference between the two shoes is $5 ($135 v $140). In any case, thanks for another great in-depth review. I'm on the lookout for an everyday daily trainer and by the sound of it the VN3 will do a better job at that!
The VN3 is SUCH a better shoe… like light years better and even worth that AU$… while the Hoka is not.
The VN3 is outstanding… currently in the lead for basic daily trainer of the year…. We shall see what the Adizero SL2 and Peg41 have to stay about that though…
@@SagasuRunning Appreciate the reply and thanks for the insight. You're right, even at full retail of $180 the Puma is a good buy. Looking forward to the SL2...
Yet another reason not to bother with hoka brand in Au
It's really what i need for my easy. I was on clifton. The last 6 month plage with injuries its star to be better i just need to have more fun to run
These could be the shoe. They are well cushioned and definitely fun to run in… it’s just the durability… but if you already run in Hokas you are likely used to that.
Thank you for your honest review... seems a skip to me.
Gonna wait for the Clifton10 then, and hope for a review from you for this shoe aswell :3
We shall see about the Clifton… I don’t know if I want to go back there again… 🤣
I'd shop for these only in a running store. One reviewer had two different color ways in the "same" size that were measurably very different in length.
I got this sense looking at a few of them in the Hoka flagship store here in Taipei. Even in hand multiple pairs felt different. Hoka has never been known for consistency. One of the big frustrations with them.
Hoka is brand that could not exist and I would not even noticed
Had tried couple hokas, own one and do not want to own any other one - there is a lot genuine good running shoes to waste money and time on hokas
Interesting. Out of curiosity what’s the one you own?
Agree in respect to road running hokas
I've got 39 miles in the Mach 6 so far and I'm enjoying it as a very smooth, bouncy, lightweight trainer. I'll definitely be paying attention to the durability.
I wonder how it will compare to the Brooks Hyperion 2, with the DNA Flash v2. The Hyperion Max has been quite durable so far and also has a nice rockered ride.
Actually, I think DNA Loft v3 is the better comparison. I actually found the a Mach 6 to be a fast Ghost Max… but I prefer the fit and feel of the Ghost Max (I also prefer DNA aloft v2 form). The Brooks foams are going to be light years more durable than the Hoka foams. Though I think the Hoka rubber on the outsole is more durable.
@@SagasuRunning I haven't tried anything with DNA Loft v3. I was thinking about the Hyperion 2 because they're both in the lightweight fast trainer category and I think they could be direct competitors.
@kuriosites Understood, yes. I was comparing foams. DNA Loft v3 is Brooks's SC EVA.
@@SagasuRunning I definitely believe that. Yowana also mentioned that he thought the DNA Loft v3 on the Ghost 16 has a similar feel to the foam in the Mach 6.
i have something unrelated question to shoes but to running in general
Of course this question I had after I tried to find online some answers but unable to.
I am fairly new to seriously running, yes i used to run everyday but only for 5k, not marathon specific training.
However, I love to run at speed and usually when I wanna run speed I will use the treadmill at about 13km/h , which is considered fast for me.
I am at the point of doing speed work everyday almost like racing 5k everyday wirh 4% incline although on a treadmill cause i can adjust the speed, planning on getting a run watch.
The question is, is it okay to do that? Im 31 yrs old 55kg. Sometimes i told my self not to run fast but i cant help it.
Another question is , what is a good practice for fairly new to to the concept of best practices in running?
Does speed work everyday can cause us harm? Specifically I dont have an objective, just love running fast pace.
To your does question… yes speed work everyday can cause harm. Over training, fatigue, stress fractures, etc… not a good idea.
To your second question (and it explains the first). Google or UA-cam search the following “80/20 running”… you’ll find a lot of information as to why you don’t want to be running hard daily as well as how to effectively structure your running practice. At least the basics.
I am size 12 UK. With Hokas I ALWAYS GO FOR 12.5 UK and this time I ordered Mach 6 and went for 12.5 and Wide version.
Welp...that about kills Hokas for me. That is completely un called for that you HAVE to do that to get an accurate fit. I did try the .5 size up in the store and the shoe was WAY too long on my foot.
To be fair, I did try my Mach 6s on today and for the first time they didn't feel tight... It just took nearly 50k to get there.
Never really had a Hoka shoe before, only tested the Rocket X2 and didn’t really like it after a 2 miler on the treadmill😅
Hokas are usually love at first run or not at all, ever. Trust your gut with this one.
Will you be trying the New Balance Balos when it comes out?
Unlikely… never say never but very unlikely.
What’s crazy is I had THE EXACT same experience with Hoka years ago and walked away from them. I haven’t returned because their price point usually stays high and no one is like “you HAVE to buy this shoe “-same with brooks . Levitate hurt my feet. Haven’t retuned
Brooks makes much better shoes than Hoka. Hoka makes more exciting shoes than Brooks. Both have their followings for sure… but both never top the “must have” lists.
I’m glad I’m not alone with that Hoka experience….
Just bought some Mach 5s. Saw them on offer at £70 and decided to take the plunge. Loved them on the first run at Tempo pace. Second run went for a Z2 longer run, which was fine at first, but they seemed to lose cushioning at about 8 miles, as you say. Still very happy with them, but will use them in my rotation within that limitation. Need to find a Z1/Z2 shoe for 10-20 mile runs. Asics NB4 or Nimbus 25? The Nimbus is cheaper in the Easter sale, but I prefer lighter shoes, and would the Nimbus be too hot in the 30-40C temps in Bangkok? Or for slightly more the Saucony Triumph 21; I love my Tempus, which are getting a little tired now.
Of the shoes you mentioned the NB4 would be my first choice… but the Nimbus would be my second (it will be very hot in Bangkok temps though).
@@SagasuRunning Thanks. If coming down to the 'blasts' the Superblast is also on sale, at £125, which gets rave reviews, but I'm not sure it would be any better than the Novablast for the recovery and Z2 runs.
The NB4 is the better recovery/easy shoe. The Superblast is a great shoe for marathon training for long runs with some fast efforts in them. It CAN do easy running, but the NB4 is basically built for easy running.
@@SagasuRunning Thank you
@@SagasuRunning I've ordered the NB4s. There's a new sale at a Bangkok running shop, so picked them up for 3,300THB (£72). They had the Triumph 21 for 3,700 (£80), and as I've enjoyed Saucony shoes I bought them as well. Bargains. Now I have a lovely shoe rotation and I'll understand each shoe better to refine my choices for next year's bargains!
Did it get mushy like the Rebel V4 after kilometers piling up on it?
At 40k… it’s definitely headed that direction. When it actually gets bad is TBD.
What you are saying is its still EVA! 😄 Glad someone said that. Performance trainer with EVA midsole, theres better shoes
Supercritical EVA. I mean, EVA still has a place in running shoes and it can be very performance oriented...this foam feels nice...but the durability is a bit suspect. Only time will tell.
@@SagasuRunning okay thank you for answering, nice to follow your channel. Do you think supercritical eva can compete to Peba when thinking about performance?
@@veijomarin813 For training, yes. For racing, no. This shoe is a trainer so it works.
12:59 wow, how fast do you think our marathon pace is, man? 😂
This shoe like to be in the range, for me my MP is currently 4:30/km and my steady/aerobic pace is 5:00/km… That is where the Mach like to be, level of effort and speed. Easy pace starts at 5:30/km’ish… the Mach 6 does not like to be in that range, at all.
Hey, will you try new balance rebel v4?
Im torn between rebel v4, mach 6, or novablast 4 for my everyday single do it all running shoe
I a beginner runner and i like my shoe to be quite bouncy while maintaining slight ground feel.
I like Novablast but all reviewer saying the same thing, it gets hot.
And its definitely a concern since im living in a tropical country.
So im trying to find another shoe alternatives.
No, I won’t be covering the Rebel v4… because I’m not a fan of what NB is currently doing and I can’t find a nonwide version here in Taiwan. I don’t have alot of good things to say about NB in 2024, so I’m not.
I live in Taipei, Taiwan where it is rather hot all the time, sub tropical. I’ve run extensively in the Novablast 4 in hot/wet conditions and see no issue with the upper for hot weather. It’s fine. It’s the best upper of the three shoes you are looking at. For as much stack as is in the NB4 you surprisingly get some ground feel. It would be my recommendation from your list.
The Mach 6 is good, but I don’t trust the foam and the fit is aggressively tight.
@@SagasuRunning wow, this helps a lot and actually took my worries away
Thankyou a lot sir!
Id checkout NB4 asap
Re: fit, my understanding (not guaranteed to be correct) is that the “wide” Hoka’s are just more volume, no difference in last. Could be a solve for someone like yourself.
If true…. That’s absolutely insane. I refuse to have to buy a wide shoe for a proper fit when I don’t need a wide shoe. 🤦🏼♂️
The upper does stretch so… it’s all good in the end.
Any idea when the Clifton 10 releases? Is it pushed to 2025?
No idea… I don’t follow the brand close enough. I do know the Clifton is on a 2 year update schedule.
@@SagasuRunning thanks!
I have the Arahi 6 for daily use. I’ve tried Nike, ASICS, addidas, rebook, vans and nothing comes close to the comfort of Hoka.
Then you found your shoes. Hokas just work for some people… when they do try are amazing.
Hey man 👋
🤙🏻
Ah, my shoe rack has officially declared itself your biggest fan, while my bank balance sits in the corner, chuckling at my life choices. 🤷♂👟💸
Hahaha. 😂
Nothing like the Mach 5. The 6 (Wide) has a firmer ride and higher stack. My tendon plate injury returned after two weeks running on them. Too bad. Now I have to search for a alternative. To Hoka and some other manufacturers with this annoying habit: never change a winning team (too much)
It is annoying when a shoe changes drastically… but the Mach 4/5 needed an update as it was very dated. The Rincon 4 coming out at some point might be something to look at if you like Hoka.
@@SagasuRunning Problem for me with the Rincon is that the stack height is higher than the Mach 5. I love more ground feel and they changed that too on this newer version (Mach 6). Now I`m looking for some Topo running shoe. I was so happy my injury healed in the 5`s . They were so nice and soft 😞
@@MarcoMarco-cc6zv Yes, I meant the 4 (I fixed it). Topo shoes would be where I'd tell you to look next... that will be closer to the last gen Mach 5.
Yeah you lost me with "my foot fell asleep" and breaking in the upper. Its 2024, we have supershoes in the 6oz range and all these different technologies. Theres no realm where they do such a bad job at the last that you have to break the upper in. Midsoles i get, not fabric
I agree with this… but sometimes you need to push forward to see where it goes. But yes, many other better options out there.