Should the Oilers sit Skinner in Game 4?
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- Опубліковано 28 тра 2024
- Stuart Skinner was pulled in Game 3 after allowing four goals on 15 shots through two periods. Should the Oilers consider sitting Skinner for Game 4 now that they trail the Canucks in the series? Bruce Boudreau weighs in during Monday's Talking Point.
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Who should the Oilers deploy in Game 4?
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Pickard for sure! Skinner is great, but he loses confidence. Skinner should have been pulled and Pickard put in the start of the second period. The game would have likely had a very different outcome last night.
Change goal tenders , pull holiday use SAM .👍
Soup
Campbell
Picked for the whole series please, no matter what !! Use Picked Until they beat the Canucks then after use Skinner again on the 3 round's on the playoff. Should be all good.
Yes. He’s unplayable right now. It’s worth giving Pickard a chance.
Soup*
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@@mithex8414no - he is a total loser. Pickard deserves his shot, we just need average goaltending instead of horrible.
It’s tempting to say that because the Oilers have yet to lose consecutive games during their current playoff series, Coach Knoblauch should start Skinner for game 4. After all, Sheldon Keefe, then the head coach of the Leafs, pulled Ilya Samsonov during the second intermission of game four of the recent Leafs-Bruins playoff series, with that goalie having allowed multiple ugly goals in that game and the previous one, but having allowed 2 goals in total in the second game of that series (that the Leafs had won 3-2 in regulation).
Skinner, in each game he’s played during the Oilers-Canucks series, has allowed at least 3 goals and on AVERAGE has allowed 4/game. As he has faced 58 shots, he has saved not even 80% of them and in no game has he saved even 85%.
I dunno whether Knoblauch will or won’t start Skinner for game 4 although the head coach has much to think about considering also that the Oilers, in each game of that series, have thrown defence under the bus.
@@mkyhou1160 cambell is pretty good in the playoffs. Go look at his numbers.
This isn’t Skinner has a bad game. It is about Skinner fundamental skill that he is slow. At best he is a backup goalie in NHL.
It's not all on Skinner, but this dude's a liability at this point. Sure, he's got his moments, but when it's bad, it's really bad!
We out shot them 44 to 18 and lost. It’s all on skinner dude.
@@n0g4rdd3r9yeah cause skinner can’t save a puck. The goalie needs to steal you a game. But 18 shots 4 goals. Skinner is one of the worst playoff goaltenders of all time go look up the stats
How bad is it? Skinner not only has the worst numbers of any netminder to start a game in Oilers postseason history. But he is also the NHL’s worst playoff performer in the salary cap era by a sizable margin. Of all 69 goalies since 2005 with at least 15 playoff appearances, Skinner ranks dead last in save percentage with an .881 mark in 20 games. He’s worse than Kari Lehtonen’s .887 (19 games) and Nikolai Khabibulin’s .898 (15 games) - and that’s not a small sample size.
He is trash
I like Skinner, but let him watch from the press box. Coddling hasn’t worked, time for tough love.
Absolutely sit. Dude is brutal
Oilers defending is brutal.
@@benjaminaxselholm kinda when you need a goalie
The answer is change goalies or get the golf clubs out 🤷♂️
I'm a Oiler fan but the Oilers are not going to win against the Canucks not with the goaltending and defence they have.
Yep I completely agree!
LoL #
Pickard should have been put in the second period. If needed, Skinner could have been put back in. I don't understand why we waited so long to get Skinner out last night's game. He's a great goalie, but he eventually buckles and loses confidence in himself. Pickard should start the next game.
“He’s a great goalie” 😂
First of all he's not a great goalie,he's about average.
Exactly what we said, I would of pulled him.
How many times has he beat van this year
..there's your answer.
play him please - with love from Vancouver
I actually think Pickard’s style will be effective in the Playoffs. He’s less efficient but he battles in the crease
Great take
I agree with this take as well. Also, if they start Skinner and Oilers lose they'll be down 3-1 in the series. It's hard for a coach to not start with your main guy for an elimination game at which point I believe Skinner would crumble. Starting with Pickard is a better option cause if he wins convincingly you can keep playing him for the series, if he doesn't work out you can switch back and hope Skinner finds some desperation. Game 4 is the time to make this change, harder to do in elimination scenarios.
Bruce there it is, good comments bruce
He's def a good goalie on his night, but you can tell he lacks confidence. Those Boeser and Lindholm goals are obviously high danger but you need him stopping at least two of those.
Yea. Agree.
I was Brock hard when Brock scored those goals
Both Brock goals were the same where he shot the puck past Skinner's body because the goalie was cheating short side along the post. You give a player with Brock's skill that much of the far side then they're going to hit it.
How about they tighten up defensive play and not allow those chances in the first place instead of asking the goalie to bail them out all the time?
@@paulthompson8793 ultimately their only two solid defensemen are Bouchard and Ekholm, and you don't dare split them up - Kulak Ceci Nurse look nightmarish for Oilers fans. Desharnais looks decent. To this point the Canucks are executing their defensive plan very well and getting soft goals through Skinner. Oilers are getting Silovs'd with all the offence coming from 29-97-18.
The bench is nice and warm for you 😊
TO quote Pat Burns: " Goaltending is 70% of winning - unless you don't have it. Then its 100%" They will sit Skinner, in spite of how it might affect him if he's already mentally fragile, because they cannot afford to lose the next game. Campbell's name shouldn't even be in the conversation unless both Skinner and Pickard are injured. lol.
Campbell has decent playoff stats.
If the Oilers are thinking about the team first, then Pickard should start! The numbers don't lie about Skinner!
Oilers should bring in there backup coach. He has systematically dismantled the line combos that got them in the playoffs
Uh oh someone's getting a visit from superintendent chalmers
That's 😂
They've already pulled Skinner in the third period... their confidence is eroding in their goaltending... yall in trouble
He has to sit. If he was just average Oilers would be up 3-0 in the series.
It cost them last season sticking with vs Vegas.
Vancouver is rolling with their 3rd string, Vegas did it last year.
If Pickard gives them average goaltending, it gives them a better chance than what Skinner is doing atm.
Love me some bruce content
Pickard needs a shot, just like the talking point Varlamov, you never know what can happen when I a guy gets hot. Skinner has been nothing but disappointing in playoffs thus far in his career.
Should the oilers sit skinner or actually play deffence?
How about both
The Oilers have added so much talent to their team, but no #1 goalie.
Skinner is just ok in goal right now. Where he may do really well is in the captain position the coilers haven't had one for most of the season
I have no idea why they didn’t trade for Jake Allen. Seen this coming.
We all saw it coming. After soup failed miserably he should have been bought out in first year when cap hit was less. Going into this year with Skinner who can’t handle the pressure was a huge mistake.
Tell that to dumbass Holland
The Oilers and also every other teams need goalies who run hot and brutal focused in playoffs, goalies who carry their team on a long run. Most of this goalies are not the best in the regular season, but they are in the play the goalie which makes the difference. Last time season Gustafson lost games for the Bruins with silly mistakes, but in the regular season he was the goalie with the best numbers. On the other side grubauer won for the kraken the series against the avalanche.... And grubauer always plays top in playoffs, he already had runs till the finals with other teams. This are the goalies a top team needs! Skinner hasn't the expert, he is still young and has to learn a lot. At the moment he is a solid backup under ore, not more. Since years the Oilers missed drafting /signing a top playoff goalie. But so they will loose again in the playoffs... With the two best hockey players of the world in their team. That's so sad!
Yep. I'm pretty sure that most people would agree that if the Oilers actually had a solid tender, they would be unstoppable... But alas, they flush $14,000 a day, playing or not, down the shitter with Campbell.
Two things lower McDavids mins by five Jason demers thought of this and in my opinion start pick and play him till they lose. The both 6 are starting to get momentum so keep the lines rolling and play the big bad 5 more in the third. We jump to push them more when we’re down and it’s because of goaltending we just gotta chill and let the lines work
I wonder Boudreau is thinking of these Canucks and their success their first full season without him with a different philosophy.
I think they should sit him to give him a break and because he’s not playing like a Starting goalie for any second round playoff team. Also give Pickard a chance.
Yes he should sit.
I'd be more curious if the Oilers parade their top line for another 30 minutes again. The Oilers' depth are having a hard time as it is, and it doesn't help them playing limited minute's. Its difficult to get anything going.
We’re not winning 3 games before Vancouver wins 2 more with that goaltending. Skinner blew 2 games. Oil should be up 3-0. Reality setting in yet? Hope I’m wrong, but….
Dude, I am a Canucks fan. If the Canucks keep playing like they did the last 30 minutes of the game last night, the Oilers got this. That was ugly, ugly, ugly hockey the Canucks were playing. They were hanging on by a thread the whole time. Their whole game plan was just keep icing it. If they do that again in upcoming games, the Oilers WILL make them pay.
@@carletonrutherford1799Seconded. You don't win many games with 20 shots. If I was an Oilers fan I don't think I would be all that worried right now.
The one thing that I would worry about would be Edmonton getting rattled and shaking things up. McDavid getting rattled and doing things like he did at the end of the last game. If they settle down and play they ought to do fine. If they get rattled they could implode.
Vegas switched to adin hill after Logan Thompson was already giving them .921%. If Vegas thinks they can improve from .921, then oilers should fully know you don’t just ride skinner just cause he’s “the starter”. You play the guy that will make saves, not who is ranked higher in the depth chart. Same way why silovs is playing over desmith
I think Desmith is probably still slightly injured but dresses, just in case.
Yes. He needs to watch. At least the back up will make some saves. Shooting 15 shots should of been no goals.
maybe Skinner could use a games rest?
The experiment should be long over with this guy, he doesn't have the mentality to be a very good goalie when it matters. Same as Jack Campbell the moment is just too big for them.
A very insightful answer from the former coach!
Could always throw Campbell back in.
So funny seeing Oilers fan turn on their goalie. Like Pickard who hasn't played since April would do any better against a Zadorov snipe.
I might be tempted to see if he can bounce back but we've seen this way too often. Last year it was also putrid game followed by decent game and it wad like that vs LA this year too. It's getting too much.
Play Pickard just to see if he can rise to the playoff style of game. Even if we eked past Vancouver with Skinner he will be chewed up in the next round.
Skinner is no good in the playoffs, regular season yeah.
Sit
Very sad. I knew Skinner wasn’t it. Question is: why did Ken just roll the dice on him?
Holland has never been a good GM in regards to goaltending! In Detroit, he was lucky enough to draft Osgood, but the other Cups were won with Vernon(drafted by the Flames) and Hasek(drafted by the Sabers). He passed up on drafting a goalie for the Oilers just a few years ago.
Yes they should start Either Pickard Or Campbell :)
SIT, SIT, SIT,SIT
Skinner can't stop a beachball.
Skinner reminds me of Cloutier
100% sit skinner. Oilers can't afford to be down 3-1, they aren't that good. In fact they're playing like the beginning of the season. Disappointed in all the no-shows like RNH, Kane, Perry, Foegle.
No please keep him in net. Increases chance of oilers losing.
this is what sunk the oilers last year, didn’t play campbell after he played well in the playoffs. Sit him and get pickard in
Time for Skinner to sit can’t make a save when needed
Incoming Jack Campbell to take Oilers to the cup. That would be an amazing redemption arc.
we be lying to say he didnt improve down there bro was getting attacked by youngsters night in and night out AHL is a tough league
As a Nucks fan, please keep Skinner in.
You need to be careful what you wish for. This series is FAR from over. Suddenly Skinner will turn into Martin Brodeur.
@@carletonrutherford1799 HA, Ha, not even close!
Sit him .
i'm playing Soupy simply because he's fresh and hasn't been working with Dustin Schwartz .
As a Canuck fan, yes - we'd love to go against a goalie even worse than Skinner.
Doesn't Skinner remind you of Dan Cloutier
Be careful what you wish for. This series is FAR from over.
They should have got a better goalie years ago. I think their D is okay. When combined with their forwards and a competent goalie they're winning a Cup easily. They'd probably have 2 right now, but for sure 1 and going for their second this year. They need to do what they can to upgrade their goalie. If that means trading Draisaitl then you have to do it. Hyman, Kane, McDavid and Nuge is more than enough star power up front if they have a true number one goalie.
As an oiler's fan... the game wasn't Skinner's fault. The D failed miserably. We need to get rid of Nurse, Ceci both are awful.
We'll match your Nurse and Ceci with Myers and Cole.
Thanks to that useless 9.5 mil they call defencemen.
@@carletonrutherford1799 I would take Cole and Myers any days over our 2 bums
@@phlou65 Well, technically the Oilers already have Cole. He has scored 2 goals for them, including a nice deflection goal in overtime of game 2. Not to mention he has been in the box for at least 2 of the Oilers pp goals. And twice in the last 2 games I have seen Myers do a f**king pirouette at his own blueline as McDavid is skating in. The first one led to a goal, the 2nd one didn't.
Not going to matter who’s in net when you have 3 other lines not scoring 5x5.
Oilers were 3rd highest scoring team, where the hell has that gone??
This is the reason the oilers lose every year. I've been saying it the last 3 years' skin is to inconsistent every dam year
The coach might already have tipped his hand. I think Campbell is the answer.
Doubt that.
@@cindyrussell1581 As Smith said " you may well be right " 🤠
@@ianleslie6971 Campbell sucks, at this point I could lend them my grandaughter she stop more shot than Skinner.
@@cindyrussell1581 but he's well rested and had a lot of work in the minors. Probably sharper than the the alternative. ? But as Smith said " you may well be right " I am interested to see what the coach does. 😉
@@ianleslie6971 Pickard if anyone, don't think the is that crazy to put Campbell in.
Yep.
Put campbell in
Send Campbell back to Toronto.
Yes!!!!!!!!
Skinner has the NHL’s worst playoff performer in the salary cap era by a sizable margin. Of all 69 goalies since 2005 with at least 15 playoff appearances, Skinner ranks dead last in save percentage with an .881 mark in 20 games. He’s worse than Kari Lehtonen’s .887 (19 games) and Nikolai Khabibulin’s .898 (15 games)
Gee. I wonder if Edmonton should make a change?
Ride Pickard and cambell. Skinner is a bust. Try to trade for ullmark this summer.
4th goal, he couldn’t Johnnie bower it ? Lets it dribble in ? Enough is enough.
SHIT THE BED SKINNER HAS. NOT PLAYOFF MATERIAL
He should start he’s been amazing for nux😂
Ya, it's sorta been fair with Cole kinda playing for us.
Play him. Their only other option is Calvin Pickard who hasn't played in a while. Stick with the guy who shut down LA. The Canucks are easier to beat than LA was.
Uh, no!
All that means is Pickard is well rested and focused. At least give him a chance. Skinner has had more than enough chances.
There’s no good options at this point. I’d say play Pickard in game 4, win and you’re in from there.
Pickard needs to be #1 goalie option, Skinner should be sent to the minors, bring up Rodriguez
I'd give Skinner a break.
lol Avery
73% dave or whatever it was is simply not good enough to win the cup.
NO TEAM CAN WIN THE CUP WITHOUT A .880 GOALY!!!!
the oilers have a .700 goaly.....
Sit skinner
NHL need hired body guard for Baby McDavid and Crying D29
He’s doing this again huh?
Let me tell you something Edmonton Oiler’s players and management if you guys choose to let that Skinner fella play then you should just bow out from the playoffs just give Vancouver the win and walk away skinner starts and it’s over if skinner starts and loses the game again I’m done with this team he was a good start but now you have to bench him Skinner is not capable and cannot handle the pressure of the playoffs?
SKINNER YOU SUCK!!!!!!!
Oilers have to stop giving canucks such great high quality scoring chances and skinners numbers would be better.
Skinner should be the starter on an AHL club not an actual NHL team. His stats are embarrassing and the fact that Oilers fans think they are cup worthy fail to realize you don't get close without goaltending. Connor can't outscore all the easy five holes and odd angle shots. Those goals just deflate a team's morale. I'd start the zamboni driver if I were an Oil coach LOL.
Oiler fans need to wake up, skinner might only be a "mid" goalie, but my lord those goals weren't his fault, how about they play some defense in front of the guy before they knock his game? no goalie would save em from that atrocious defensive play.
thats a dumb question play him!!! The canucks are confident they can score on him so play Him!!!!
Put in PICKARD for Game 4. I like Skinner, but he has shown he is just average in the playoffs. There are only so many games left. Something has got to give.
Blaming their goalie fora non complete team is hilarious. Nobody in the NHL believes you have a chance with a one line team....suck it up...don't blame your goalie !
40+ shots. Post is not good goal tending. Leon dry saddle
Well Leon 4 goals on 15 shots is not good goal tending too. 40+ saves AHL goalie
Skinner sucks so bad. Edmonton is in a tough predicament
Put Jack Campbell in! He has playoff experience and has good stats
He has ok stats in the AHL this season. That doesn't magically translate to great stats in the NHL.
Pickard has had great stats in the NHL this season, Pickard is the better option.
Skinner was horrible in game 3 but just ok in games 1 and 2
Skinner has no consistency.
Put him down where Campbell went give give a shake up, just when the Oilers need him the most he sucks. To Loser Ken Holland you love what yr doing to this team, maybe you should give Nurse a few more million for being useless. Can't hurt to start Pickard can't be any worse than Skinner.
McDraisaitl are going to burn out playing 30 min a game and getting abused. Starting to lose their focus already.
You shoot Skinner into the Sun.....but the Oilers will play him till its over....we all know as Fans that the Oilers screwed Campbell over and pushed Skinner forward. IMHO Black-Jack Campbell should have been kept as the Oilers starter and he should be running the show now.
I'll add to that. Why don't the Oilers hire a better goalie coach! Maybe a better goalie coach can scout in the draft better goalies or in FA.
@@dmonsef Katzes incredible LOYALTY to his employees has lead to him being abused badly by all of them collectively...Pro Hockey fleeced him....its not like other Businesses...its more grimy and greasy...Oilers brought in Schwartz to try to find a way to stop stop Moma2 not NHL Opponents. They had to find a way to best Moma2...but that has never and will never be done....
he oilers will not win with there goaltending 100% skinner not consistant enough
SIT. HE IS NOT A CHAMPION. MAYBE ONE DAY HE WILL LEARN.
neither are 3 of 4 lines on this team ....lol
They're stuck with him. Their #1 priority should've been upgrading their goaltending for years now. And just like the Leafs, for some bizarre reason, they refuse to do it. It's mind-boggling. But I'm rooting for the Canucks, so glad they're that dumb.
They could have drafted Oettinger but chose Tyler Yamamoto right before the Dallas pick.
Look at the other side- for once, the Canucks have absurd depth at goalie. This is their third string goalie stealing games for them! What a job by the management, for once.
SIT!!!! 🏒💯
sit
You can't blame it all on Skinner. The Oilers rely too much on McDick and Drai plus the power play to win games. That may be enough in the regular season but the playoffs are a different animal and the Oilers are not strong enough overall to go all the way.
Obviously have no idea what you're talking about so this response is only to inform you of that.
KO - HOE 🌭
Rhetorical question, he shouldn’t even be starting, he’s been garbage!! Last year Jack Campbell was great against Vegas yet they went with skinner, they’ll do the same this year. Oilers are done!
Leave him in. Please!
Nope. The alternative is too awful.
Campbell's playoff stats are excellent. They should either start him or at least dress him as Pickard's back-up in Gm 4. Skinner has been given plenty of chances and he is not getting the job done.