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![The Great Tank Debate [2024] feat. Flats, Danteh, Bogur & Freedo](/img/n.gif)
Moira is just the support equivalent of Hog, self sustaining, doesn’t provide much to the team but also doesn’t rely on the team as much as other tanks/supports
Thats such a good analogy actually lol
yea she kinda is a supporty dps, same way hog is a tanky dps.
@@Real_MisterSirlike how sym was a dpsy support
that is not how i see it but i can respect the opinion. i see moira as the perfect pocket for a tank. you are the pocket of your tank (provided they aren’t dive, then another hero would be better most likely)if i feel like playing nothing but moira (qp demon btw(maybe my opinions don’t matter despite being gold 4 as moira on my first ranking ever)) i will be on my tanks ass with all the heals imaginable and they will not die. if they are fully roped off i’ll take a second or two to dps what i can reach from behind my tank or i will heal the back line a bit. maybe that’s just how i play it but it works for me. 🙃
@@jadenrott3950 that starts to get harder to do in high ranks because you'll get picked behind the tank.
I really like going to flank as Moira then using my fade to reposition behind the tank, pocket him until I need to go Succ, and then get right back to being a backline murder demon.
Her ability to react to whatever the party needs and counter most annoying characters are great.
in regard to the teammate thing, just punish the leaver and anyone in that group. maybe make it less bad than the leaver but worse than if they had just lost.
problem is they made it so that you can leave the group when you join a game. no clue why.
@@PurpleMoon799 and they can't add basic tracking for if someone joined the game in a group? I would be genuinely surprised if they couldn't just add that as well or remove the leave group feature when you join a game. if the matchmaking is already skewed when in a group the system should obviously be aware of groupings before and during the match. this would not be too hard of a fix either. but i doubt they really want to spend any resources to fix things like this
what if they just made lifeweaver able to fly, that would be hillarious
16:40 One of my friends convinced her friend to play Dva because she “requires no aim” and is easy to play. She also said the same thing about Reaper
My brother also claims this, I never understood why.
@@DauntlessBlade___ probably because of the spread of the bullets. So u technically "hit" the enemys even when u dont try to aim. So u do dmg but not as much as u cOULD
@@Jello-ri Yeah I guess that makes sense
she's the tank who requires the most aim???
@@PurpleMoon799 Not at all???? DVA needs less aim than jq, doom, and SNIPER MONKEY
If they add the ability for me to wear the Lil red skin, and have squid bob... I would keep regularly playing.
I don't know what's the obsession with OW2 PvE when things like Darktide, Deep Rock, Vermintide, Starship Troopers, etc. are right fucking there.
I wish they’d make lifeweaver’s pull was more like Thrain in LoL. Throw a target to your team that they get to activate when they need it
that's just sym's tp
Would honestly just love to have Thresh as a support in OW in general, he has a great kit.
@@elixir478it would at least make sense to make their abilities similar 😂
It feels so good getting pulled by WifeLeaver when I'm dropping form the top rope on reaper with a nano and Q blossom ready to go after the enemy has used all their cancel abilities. I'v been waiting for that obese Q blossom for the whole game and then this happens 🤣🤣
1 month later, man says you maybe throwing your team fights with your lifegrip, you are basically throwing the match with his lack of decent utility lol
i think seasons are the right length currently especially for people like me who might play it every night with quite a few days off and still be able to get to their 200. like even tho my pc is down right now i will still buy the pass and probably still get to the end. i think it’s perfect for the casual who is just dickin around🤷♂️
IMO DVA is the mercy of tanks. DVA and mercy are both pretty easy to play but there are some people that are absolute freaks at them and it gives them low floors and high ceilings
Regarding the rank up, I've been above 80% of gold 2 for five rank resets on dps. I know that I just need to improve something but idk if I can lmao.
Remember when flats said that support are playing dead by day light so yeah now they actually should
im laughing so hard at the dont shoot the tank
Ye its funny when i throw my petal for myself in a safe spot there is always one mf that will get on it and look at me like 'this is not helping me' like dude its not for you, its for when i get flanked lmao leave my damn petal alone. Ofc it's not gonna have good sight lines for you, it's an escape from sightlines for me lmfaoooo.
the suits at "actibliz" are paid to be blamed for everything that goes wrong. Maybe some blame should be on the people on the dev team that promise the world and failed to deliver. Many of those people then left before people realized what was happening.
I has question. If my team has just rolled another a team, and I solo shattered the last person on their team (which was a mercy). Is that considered toxic?
Solo ulting is always toxic, but no one will report you
@@S0UPIE cap its just funny
Solo ulting Mercy yes... if its zen mei or sombra it's fine... even encouraged!
Honestly anytime I get solo shattered by a Rein as Ana or Mercy, I laugh knowing full well that I am living in their minds rent free
Ill never understand why grandmasters and masters get in my plat games. While I like how overwatch teams can group up (mostly) regardless of skill rankings, but personally that should stay out of comp. A plat game should have between gold and diamond players. I get trying to reduce queue times but its just not fun to get kerb stomped by a gm tracer
the flower of life weaver is 1 of if not the most useless ability in overwatch
If you use it for yourself and not for the team it's a really good escape tool
@@AngrySecsand then along comes rammatra
I have seen someone in top 500 win a game, and go down in rank, wild.
Lifeweaver's life grip is both great and terrible. I play a lot of healer in final fantasy 14, so I'm really used to just sitting on life-grip/rescue and I'm fine not using it--but tbh I only use it on my friend that I'm playing with because when I save anyone else with it, they immediately walk back into death after.
Lol the patent pending life gripping a low health tank just for them to use their movement ability back into the enemy team while still less than half health (most common with dvas)
@@yes1525 I think it's out of spite rather than logic. Getting life gripped as a tank feels awful even if it was a good one. If your job is to hold the line and keep pushing, your ally basically making you lose that space forcefully feels horrible imagine if you were a DPS and one of your teammates can heal the target you were shooting at that's how it feels
Yeah but if they just stay there long enough to be healed then they will be fine. It's better to lose the space than lose the team fight tbh. If you lose your tank then it's a 50-50 you're gonne lose the team fight, especially if your DPS isn't pulling their weight. I have been pulled almost full health as a tank, and it's annoying, I'd rather be pulled half health than crit bc they can heal me to full health faster that way and I can reengage faster. So basically pull your tank at half health instead of waiting till they're crit, unless it's on cooldown ofc.
Wait... I'm *not* supposed to shoot the tank?!
As a tank main... That's right yes. Tanks never ever die, so it's pointless.
No leave me alone
If they are discorded, exclusively shoot them
“Stop shooting the horse”
Sojourn mains in shambles
31:20 if the tank has a discord orb on them, they are no longer a tank. That's why we can shoot the tank.
As a Masters Moira main, I appreciate Emongg's takes on Moira. It always feels like he's very fair and providing an unbiased opinion, whereas most people are just like "Oh Moira? Booo!"
As Moira mains, we GET that there isn't a lot of utility, and so we try our best to work around it because, like Emongg said, she's fun! And we want to climb in rank, but we also like to have that fun he's talking about.
I don't care about utility really, it's a character that shouldn't exist in an fps shooter period, I stand by this since she came out. No mechanical skill or challenge needed, just braindead gameplay.
@@Ciri9999 Love how the haters assume you can play her 'braindead'. Does she have a VERY low skill floor? Yes. Does she had a super high skill ceiling? No. Does she require skill to play well? Yes. Stop acting like just because she has a low floor and ceiling that she doesn't take skill. Playing her well requires good reactions and especially good judgement. You can't break her outta low elo if you don't have good judgement, and like it or not, proper orb placement/use actually does require at least a modicum of skill.
Hate her if you like, but at least acknowledge that taking her to higher elo DOES actually require some degree of skill, even if it's not the traditional technical skills.
@@Ciri9999overwatch isn't a run of the mill fps. expecting it to be like one is a silly goose move.
@@C0rran05THIS. people are so committed to spreading nonsense they believe because it makes them feel good/superior. Moira can be a great asset to any team, and as a support player, I've had fantastic experiences with Moiras. is Moira easy to pick up? yeah, sure. no one is saying she isn't. but the brilliance of overwatch is that there are very very accessible heroes that anyone can pick up at first and then there's a lot of room to grow and improve. people HATE that overwatch is easy for random people to start playing. people invest so much energy in gatekeeping and hate any opportunity for new people or people who don't play other fpses.
TLDR Moira is great and I enjoy playing with Moira players
@@sethescope I never said it was, I just said skill, mechanical or mental should be prioritzied in a competitive environment a character that holds right mouse is not either of these what so ever.
My feelings toward Lifeweaver's utility is that it's like... a reverse Moira. His utility is *too niche* and not really particularly desirable for any given team comp. That's why he was so bad on introduction, because his utility wasn't a strong selling point and his stats were shit.
i got this lw who kept trolling, we lost first point because he refused to heal and gripped me out of my flux (he did this like 2 or 3 times and i would have got killing blows had he not). nothing to do with the character itself just the player behind it was real annoying. he went 0-0-8 at the end and was gloating about his toxicity lol. luckily it was qp and not comp
The dbd comparison is still kinda dumb. I came from dbd after 4 years and streamed it those years and dbd has scrapped so many things and been one of the most inconsistent games at bringing out new content they promised or mention. I’m not exactly expecting dbd to actually have a decent pve regardless of who’s working on it. It took them like 6 years to add in a UI that shows what teammates are doing lol. Big dbd content creators have left dbd recently and pve is not something anyone has asked for lol
At this point just make showing the sr an alternative option, where the 5 game reset is the default setting. Everybody’s happy.
Moira isn't picked in pro play because none of her abilities strictly add to a team-synergy based win condition - nor does she actively deny an enemy win condition. She has formerly been picked for her mobility in 6 man dive when that was a thing, but outside of that she doesn't offer much synergetic utility or comp defining abilities.
HOWEVER. In regular ranked ladder, team-based synergy is so undervalued due to lack of coordination, that individual hero/player contribution can have a far greater impact. Here, Moira is very great at threat-level worthy offensive pressure. She can force the enemy to react. Due to her mobility she can afford to flank, she can duel the enemy dps if need be, she can lob an orb on the enemy Ana and make her waste her nade on herself while losing focus on supporting her frontline - all while you are the one applying active pressure on her, potentially leading to a 5v4. And you still have solid base heals to fall back on should your offense not yield sufficient value. She is very adaptive and excels in single target pressure. That's why she IS viable in regular ranked play, all the way to GM if played competently. Because believe it or not, even in T500, compared to actual pro play -t500 is like a kindergarden full of egos that all wanna do their own thing at their own pace. And Moira can punish this. Even more so in OW2 than in OW1.
Hit a lot of the nail on the head there. I would make one addition that I think even for pro-play Moira has become stronger with the 5-hero comp because of the things you pointed you, because we've seen Moira pulled out multiple times this season when I don't think we've even glimpsed her since pre 2020 OWL until now, so even OWL finds her useful in SELECT situations. Very VERY select. Pretty sure she's still the least picked support in OWL, but the fact that she has seen play time at all makes us Moira mains giddier than it deserves.
We never got to see what hero missions would look like. The gameplay we saw was for the story missions. We never saw the scope of hero missions, so saying it would be this revolutionary new industry defining thing or anything close to that is cope at best and being a blizzard shill at worst. You can't say "Blizzard bad" and then defend their canceled projects. That canceled project is also Blizzard
You're saying people just go on TikTok and lie??
Yes
A. My fix: Get rid of lifeWeaver (Joke)
B. Nerf Genji so people cant take as much damage so you can catch up on heals (Not Joke)
Ay really though, having to charge the heals is.... No bueno, to put it mildly
Everyone talks about Moria being selfish. Zen does 30 heals per sec
Average Moira apologist
its almost like he's not a main healer
@@PurpleMoon799 it's almost like he's a dps disguised as a support.
I just want the old SR system back
I love people that complain about ranked. ThErEs nO rEwaRds aLL mY hArd WoRk IS FOr NothinG!!!!
Like what rewards do they want because in other games it's either a title, or just a charm?
for the guy talking about ranks, if you are going to talk about such minute details such as how the ranks looks…how bout you just…you know…go play something with ranks that look cooler and have a rank up bar (like rocket league for example)🤷♂️maybe i’m dumb bc i only have 170 hrs…what do i know…or maybe just go play lucio…there is not a chance in hell you can not have fun playing lucio. play to enjoy not to greed
Discord def needs a nerf against tanks. Only Zarya can shrug those off and you can't expect every team comp to run Kiriko. Even then, you can throw a new orb on immediatly..so dumb with OW2 being single tank. I feel like human garbage every time I swap to Zen just to make the enemy Orisa melt so fast. Almost as dumb as when shattershot existed lol
28:53 - totally agree, a dps should NOT put ANY pressure on the one character on the enemy team capable of creating the maximum amount of space??? As Ashe, I create NO space for my team by smacking that discorded huge tank headshot hit box to make that lil bench will go back to the corner they were poking from where they belong. Denying space is terrible for your team obviously in a objective focused game. Elims more important duh. In fact, treat the tank like a sombra and simply ignore
Joke's on you, I managed to derank on every role after going 5-1 each. Overwatch 2 ranked still doesn't feel rewarding. I spent 10 hours playing ranked yesterday to try and climb back up to diamond and my rank didn't change at all. Starting off at Plat 2 and ending at plat 2 10 hours later feels like shit.
That guy plugging dbd is cringe. Dead by daylight is by far the most boring game I've ever played in my life. Also why does anyone care about pve? I myself couldn't care less and they would have to literally pay me to play it. Keep releasing characters and km all set
Lightweaver just needs to be on coms or in a stack, my friend mains lifeweaver and I main doom, he knows when to pull me and it helps.... But I rather have a Kiriko any day of the week lol
so interesting to play moira; to some shes the bane of their existance, a no-skill hero, she shouldnt be in the game; and to others shes the godess of all healers, the mightiest, the most powerful. makes me feel somewhat conflicted to like her as much as i do
I get it now hey just annoyed about tank still existing they should buff bastion to be on rank form for all the time and reaper 100% lifesteal
So what they should do is yes u get punished if someone in your squad dcs but if that person isnt in your group it should completely negate that match
It’s also the fact that u could have done very poorly for 5 games but got carried and why should u rank up
Awkward's UR2GM on moira is how to play her, change my mind.....
Life grip should only be used on Genjis that have over extended screaming they need heals
Moira was actually in played quite a bit in the Midseason Madness Tournament to avoid the tracer sombra monkey dive and in Ram Rush.
always use life grip on the player coming out of spawn
Discord orb is ridiculously good in open que lol
I went 15 and 0 and got master 1 3 fucking times
WHEN PLAYING LIFEWEAVER, ONLY LIFE GRIP YOUR TEAMMATE, IF THEY ARE GOING TO DIE. DON'T WAIST IT ON THEM IF THEY ARE NOT IN DANGER OF DYING. And if you screw up Apologize to them and let them know you made a mistake. Let's keep the TOXICITY out of Overwatch, Much love ♥️
20:26 are we watching aimbot gameplay here? bruh-
As far as the DBD tiktok goes, I think an important thing to point out is the timing of DBD's announcements. ActiBlizz announced the project of Overwatch 2, when Ow2 barely had any of the meat on its bones. It feels like ActiBlizz proposed the IDEA of Ow2, had the devs create a little bit of gameplay to make sure it was in the realms of possibility, and then announced that to the public. Whereas Behaviour have been working behind the scenes on their own games for God only knows how long. During their anniversary live stream, Supermassive (one of the companies Behaviour is working with), did an interview and showcased how far along they were with their side of the projects. And honestly? Things seemed really well established and promising.
The difference between these two companies, is that Behaviour made sure they had a product to deliver, before announcing it. ActiBlizz made sure they had an announcement to deliver, before a product.
21:43 I usually switch to Ashe when enemy has Pharah but if they aren’t good i stay on Reaper.
I do the same as Hanzo. But better than reaper but still
you know what they could do to make it more clear on why you don't rank up after going 5-0? Give us this number that is within a range of each rank, say every couple thousand that directly correlates with your placement. Then after each set of 5 wins that number updates to reflect your placement within your tier. You could call it "SR".... oh wait.
Isn't the percentage it gives you literally for this purpose though?
@@evangelosvasiliades1204They (and chat) are making a joke about the previous SR system for Overwatch 1
To add to this 10:51 I placed gold 1 for support but I don’t play often. Completed 5 games and was ranked gold 3 because I’m dog.
At this point, Emonng is one step to becoming insane trying to be PMA about OW2
I wish they’d display your rank during game. Like not even on the board, just for yourself
made myself a new account to learn doom a few days ago after like 20 matches i got matched against zbra even though im normally plat in every role it makes no sense
4# the enemy uses the flower
We Tank Mains are starting a movement! No Discord Orb On Tanks, Don't Shoot Tank!
Was playing QP and the rein shattered me and then as he goes to charge me got yoinked by Wifeleaver
In Siege, I win a ranked game; I go up points. Winning like 5 games in a row, I'm going up like 2-3 divisions. People seriously need to stop defending OWs SR system. I do my placements and then I never touch Comp again. Worthless waste of time.
If it's such a waste why bother even doing placements?
this is the most charitable i’ve ever seen emongg be towards blizzard. you don’t owe them explanations for stuff, the system just sucks.
13:00 first time hearing someone who doesn't play Moira actually understand her role and "utility". Her utility is her survivability, if she had an anti nade or suzu on top of that she'd be broken and just boring. They just felt the need to nerf the only good part of her kit in the last patch even tho her pickrate gets lower the higher u go, classic blizz balancing for paper 5
To be fair, Baptise essentially has 3 health bars, kiriko can literally just decide to leave, and Ana can almost guarantee a divers death with sleep dart and another player.
If you’re struggling with surviving, other supports can do the exact same as moira (surviving wise) AND provide their team with the same survivability/remove the other teams survivability.
I would actually consider Moiras “utility” something like confirming finishing kills (Which is LITERALLY how the top 500/GM Morias play) considering she can get in and out of enemy backline insanely easy, never choke with aim, or honestly just throw damage orb into a group in a late teamfight and get free elims (which if we weren’t counting anti or counter ult suzus Id argue is just as impactful as other meta supports).
But just note, as the video said you WILL get countered in high elo.
You’re “utility” or at least how I see it is ENTIRELY countered by the other teams skill.
Try to dive a 50 health masters zen who knows how to aim, and continues to discord 2 shot headshot you before you can drain his health.
@@MmatriX- if u're keeping your utility for yourself just so u can survive u're not getting out of silver
Moira is the hog of support, nobody really likes them
@@ZaWrldo eh, new hog maybe
I'm stuck on Silver 4, won 15 games and lost around 3 still silver 4, in the game where I actually deranked from Silver 3 to 4, I went 51 and 11 along with my tank.
That is extremely horrible. Are you just not gaining the % that shows how much % of players you are better than in that division?
It goes by damage
@@TheSilverStrikeforceno the hell it dont
The person talking about Overwatch 2 ranked: It is the worst ranked system
Apex Legends: We will gladly take that
I realize you have a 250+ word bingo tile but not everything needs to be that way roflmao
i just dont understand why FIVE WINS IN A ROW WITHOUT LOSING wouldnt climb ONE DIVISION JUST ONE FUCKING DIVISION
Additional good tip from a support player: Dont shoot the supports. They have a passive which heals them, meaning that any damage on supports will be wasted. Focus on shooting the dps, except for when they play genji and sym, who can both either reflect or heal up the damage you deal. In that case, just dont shoot at all.
This is not a good tip. Hitting shots on supports is very important. Even if you don’t get the kill you can still make the supports back up, get distracted or distract the other support by making them heal.
@@notGeist What do you mean, that is an incredible advice
first
If a lifeweaver pulls me i quit the game even if its ranked. you do not get agency over my actions
He’s makes the game less fun. I straight up stopped playing tank. They rarely use it well. Idk how Blizzard ever thought this was a good idea
I wanna join your games and life grip you off cool down every single time.
@@AngrySecs same
@@killerqueendopamine If someones playing lifeweaver and they don’t have common sense/dont know how to play him, then they’re probably trolling.
Nearly everyone I’ve seen play him in comp is competent and uses it properly.
Qp is a different story though 💀
@@AngrySecs you'd be blocked after the first use
How do they throw lamp so far?? whenever i try the furthest it goes is about 10 feet 🥲