the "crescendo" from 6'40'' to the end of movimento is probabily one of the most strong and expressive part of every time. The increasing of violinos finds no comparation in any other composer.
I think this performance was performed at the highest possible level as if the "Mighty Chicago" wanted to make sure that the good folks from New York got to hear what the worlds greatest orchestra sounds like. I really think this was a pride thing. I have heard CSO live so many times and yet this was probably the most flawless and musical live perfromance I have heard them perform.
Goddamn, I always forget how close to the edge this movement gets.....Pyotr was crazy creative and this performance presents it all in incredibly sharp relief.
SO SO SO SO SO SO SO SO SO SO SO SO SO SO SOOO GOOD! SHIVERS WERE RUNNING UP AND DOWN MY SKIN SO MANY TIMES! JUST RIDICULOUSLY, AWESOMELY, SUPREMELY, DIVINELY, SUMBLIMELY PERFECTLY HOLY FUCKING SHIT
I've never heard this before though it sounds like it might be in a couple movies. I love it. I only looked it up because it was mentioned in a book I'm listening to.
I grew up in a Chicago suburb learning how to play the French horn in public school. Farkas (who) was my first horn teacher. I was weaned on this orchestra. They were great in the 60's Just find some of the old Strauss recordings with Reiner. Clevenger (who) got the principal horn job in 1966. That really turned around how this brass section sounds today. Thank you Bud. Clevenger was one of my teachers :-) He turned me on to the VPO and Berger. Thank you Dale.
Because it is normal to applaud at the end of the whole piece, not the movement see 4th movement for well deserved applause!!!:):) This is brilliant isn't it!!
Incredible. Impeccable intonation in the woodwinds, and that's not easy to do! They make it look easy but playing at this level requires the utmost concentration and listening. Wow.
Yes, *I* had it uploaded on my old "mexicomed" account before the Grim YT Reaper came around. I'm on vacation back in the states now; I'd have to get the other mvmts from the DVD I made when I get back to Mexico. The opening oboe solo of the 2nd mvmt is worth the wait. :)
Dale Clevenger has a very interesting configuration for his horn. It stands in the key of Bb instead of F, and he used Bb side fingerings for only two notes in the solo passage around 3:40ish.
I think he is the best because he has been on the orchestra for 45 years and has the most time to develop his sound. Listen to some of the recordings of the Cso such as their recordings of Gershwins compositions done in the 70's, the fantasia 2000 score, the 2007 recording of Mahler 3, thier 1992 recording of Brahms Symphony 2, and also the several recordings that they have of Bolero out, one done in 76, 84, 92, and 99(not sure about 99)
I've always had my struggles with accepting that there is a supreme god. But if he does indeed exist, his ferocious wrath has found its way through melody from 1:34-2:54
Yes and No. f minor describes the key of the ENTIRE symphony but just because it starts in a certain key doesn't mean that it'll always end in that key. Hence the symphony ending in F major. The different components of the entire piece are attuned to f minor but since F major shares some of the same chords it can transpose to that key also.
ive never seen thaikovsky's 4th live, but when i do, which should be soon, it wont only be difficult to hold my applause until the end of the fourth movement, it will be difficult to keep silent during this first movement. i dont care about popular concensus, the 4th is better than the 6th, especially when played with this much intensity. i think every movement is great, even if the final three are more subdued and have a less monumental feel. i think it is among the best symphonies ever.
The key is defined normally by the signs the composer used (in this case in the score has 4 b (: ), and the ending tonality, F (major, because the third is sharp)
i concord with bokotej, the tempo is perfect and the interpretation of the orchestra and the director are very good, i never heared about arenboim i think he is a very good director... i like the fagot solo =P thx for the video man
The first movement finishes in minor, though. I mean, Beethoven's symphony is in c minor but finishes in C major. Dvorak's cello concerto is titled in b minor, but it finishes in B major. I think (and that's only my personal opinion...if I were wrong please go easy on me...) which key a piece is in pretty much is determined by the first movement's key.
Speaking of, one of my good friends is a bass bone player. When he and I first saw this back when, I think he was actually sexually excited at the end of the movement, commenting to Barenboim on the TV like it was some porn movie, "You're gonna bare teeth at me?! Oh, you're gonna get it now..." LOL!
(: Well, It determines only the first movement's key, the second movement can be basically in any key (in the classical period - a key related to the first movement by a fourth or fifth, and in the romantic - by thirds mainly :)
@mcphibbit03 Not trying to antagonize anyone here but I think its better to applaud and cheer the complete symphony. The crowd can remember how awesome this movement was when they cheer after the 4th movement which in this case is also amazing, it's a win win situation. Maybe your point is more evident in the case of a symphony/concerto that has a very powerful beginning but a less impresive finale. The good part is that all Russian composers know how to save the best for last ;)
I wish i couldve heard this live but the only problem would be i would be 5 years old back then and wouldnt have been mature enough to understand music...
@formerlyaskeptic1 Lyricism = noun: An artist's expression of emotion in an imaginative and beautiful way; the quality of being lyrical. By nature, this is subjective. I'm sorry if this beautiful performance of a beautiful piece of music isn't good enough for you. But don't throw about terms that are subjective.
Back in the day it wasn't impolite to applaud in between movement. For whatever reason it's not taboo... I wish we still could. (I'm a musician and I wouldn't mind)
Pardon my ignorance, but I don't understand the seemingly quick transition from intense turbulence to some sort of whimsical or drunken tone at around 3:00. I need time to recover from the previous portions and yet it takes me on some sort of stupor. I hope somebody can explain what the latter passage represents and why it follows so quickly afterwards :)
In the first part of this first movement I noticed that the cellos, playing the same line, had different fingering. In fact it was the female player using her (weak?) pinky and the male player using 3rd finger. Is this common? Do the players decide what fingering to use? You could get greater vibrato with 3rd finger than with 4th, right?
and here's my thing: it's as if this is a 'brass at all costs' orchestra. it is very exciting, no doubt (i grew up listening to them here in chicago), but sometimes i want to hear ALL the parts, not just Bud and the low brass piercing through
i have a question. I'm just starting to learn about music theory, so when they say that the symphony is played in f minor, do they mean that's where the key starts in because--tell me if i'm wrong--doesn't the key constantly change in a symphony? Like bethoveen and other classical composers would go through like all 13 key's in a single symphony. So wouldn't that make the f minor descriptor sort of silly? Just a question.
well, I think basically it means the whole story in centered in f minor. Doesn't matter where you wander to you will always go home to f minor......it's my personal opinion rather than an explanation.
the "crescendo" from 6'40'' to the end of movimento is probabily one of the most strong and expressive part of every time.
The increasing of violinos finds no comparation in any other composer.
7:58 begins one of the most powerful endings to any symphony movement ever written. Absolutely glorious!
Absolutely
I think this performance was performed at the highest possible level as if the "Mighty Chicago" wanted to make sure that the good folks from New York got to hear what the worlds greatest orchestra sounds like. I really think this was a pride thing. I have heard CSO live so many times and yet this was probably the most flawless and musical live perfromance I have heard them perform.
beautiful
4:05 The PERFECT example of how to perfectly blend two sounds together to create a new instrument for a few seconds in time. I call it a floboe. =)
Goddamn, I always forget how close to the edge this movement gets.....Pyotr was crazy creative and this performance presents it all in incredibly sharp relief.
Nobody packs the sheer power of the Chicago Symphony
How did the crowd not erupt after this movement is BEYOND me!!
The final part is terrific , pure pain!
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That is an outstanding bassoon player
SO SO SO SO SO SO SO SO SO SO SO SO SO SO SOOO GOOD! SHIVERS WERE RUNNING UP AND DOWN MY SKIN SO MANY TIMES! JUST RIDICULOUSLY, AWESOMELY, SUPREMELY, DIVINELY, SUMBLIMELY PERFECTLY HOLY FUCKING SHIT
The brass section is really incredible
I've never heard this before though it sounds like it might be in a couple movies. I love it. I only looked it up because it was mentioned in a book I'm listening to.
Cette symphonie me fait totalement déprimer...à chaque fois c'est au moins 30 minutes pour m'en remettre...merci pour cette vidéo!
Pytor wrote his first three symphonies to prepare for crushing his soul in the last three... and we are the much richer for his outpouring of blood.
This is so true...
I grew up in a Chicago suburb learning how to play the French horn in public school. Farkas (who) was my first horn teacher. I was weaned on this orchestra. They were great in the 60's Just find some of the old Strauss recordings with Reiner. Clevenger (who) got the principal horn job in 1966. That really turned around how this brass section sounds today. Thank you Bud. Clevenger was one of my teachers :-) He turned me on to the VPO and Berger. Thank you Dale.
I wish I had a conductor like Barenboim
J M Barenboim is fucking rare, man. Not many possess true musicality like him. He is the 1%.
my favorite symphony. so very dynamic, emotional and transformative. especially this first movement. too bad we couldn't get it all in one video
Bit starting at 1:02 is fantastic.
How can people not explode in applause after that!!??
Because it is normal to applaud at the end of the whole piece, not the movement see 4th movement for well deserved applause!!!:):)
This is brilliant isn't it!!
chris kirtley I now this, but... but this performance deserves breaking that 'rule' :P
My favorite interpretation of this first movimento.
this symphony is superb just like the 1812 overture
Vraiment impressionnant. On a beau connaître par coeur cette symphonie, c'est saisissant.
Incredible. Impeccable intonation in the woodwinds, and that's not easy to do! They make it look easy but playing at this level requires the utmost concentration and listening. Wow.
Yhe bassoon is wonderfull!! Beautiful sound
Nice! That's what I'm talking about! Amazing performance!
8:05 raw unbridled passion...
excelent music bravo, nice music!!! bravo Barenboim!!
Yes, *I* had it uploaded on my old "mexicomed" account before the Grim YT Reaper came around. I'm on vacation back in the states now; I'd have to get the other mvmts from the DVD I made when I get back to Mexico. The opening oboe solo of the 2nd mvmt is worth the wait. :)
The entire audience immediately after threw all their clothing at the stage
Fantastic..... Tchaikovsky and Baremboim
Very very very very nice!
the development section of this piece is genius
Jesus christ this is a triple shot of espresso
wow, i rememember watching this on TV when i was in high school... neat.
fantastic!
Dale Clevenger has a very interesting configuration for his horn. It stands in the key of Bb instead of F, and he used Bb side fingerings for only two notes in the solo passage around 3:40ish.
Stunning!!
stunning
AAH! It boggles my mind!
I think he is the best because he has been on the orchestra for 45 years and has the most time to develop his sound. Listen to some of the recordings of the Cso such as their recordings of Gershwins compositions done in the 70's, the fantasia 2000 score, the 2007 recording of Mahler 3, thier 1992 recording of Brahms Symphony 2, and also the several recordings that they have of Bolero out, one done in 76, 84, 92, and 99(not sure about 99)
gotta love the freakin bassoon!!
Bud is so damn loud o_0 very nice, love it!
Amazing
i totally agree.
i don't think i could have sat still after a performance like that.
I've always had my struggles with accepting that there is a supreme god. But if he does indeed exist, his ferocious wrath has found its way through melody from
1:34-2:54
Yes and No. f minor describes the key of the ENTIRE symphony but just because it starts in a certain key doesn't mean that it'll always end in that key. Hence the symphony ending in F major. The different components of the entire piece are attuned to f minor but since F major shares some of the same chords it can transpose to that key also.
@mcphibbit03 totally agree!
Love the first bassoons part at 3:08
@goodchessactor It's up to the players on what fingerings they use.
As a violist I absolutely love second position. But a lot of people hate it.
ive never seen thaikovsky's 4th live, but when i do, which should be soon, it wont only be difficult to hold my applause until the end of the fourth movement, it will be difficult to keep silent during this first movement. i dont care about popular concensus, the 4th is better than the 6th, especially when played with this much intensity. i think every movement is great, even if the final three are more subdued and have a less monumental feel. i think it is among the best symphonies ever.
this should be posted as a response to the first half. i have a terrible time finding it
Bravo!
the power...
Aaahhhh the '90s!!
The key is defined normally by the signs the composer used (in this case in the score has 4 b (: ), and the ending tonality, F (major, because the third is sharp)
I was playing this in recently and both violin sections miscounted the area of 7:15-7:50 and it sounded like the Adams Family theme song.
yomaster: Of course this music wasn't from a normal person's mind - no normal person could create music this amazing! Tchaikovsky was a genius.
1:04 - makes me cry
i concord with bokotej, the tempo is perfect and the interpretation of the orchestra and the director are very good, i never heared about arenboim i think he is a very good director...
i like the fagot solo =P
thx for the video man
It's a big engine,well oiled,full power!
THAT BRASS at 2:38!! WOW
@meb4noles so true
@rhapsdy thanks hopefully I found it beforehand
The principal trumpeter totally owned the part
2:21 -25~rockin haha
The first subject illustrating unavoidable fate is my favourite part of the piece, so dramatic.
BASSES FTW!
Principle Horn is Dale Clevenger
And that everybody, is Chicago Symphony....
@j0seff1994 now i can't stop watching that part!!
The first movement finishes in minor, though. I mean, Beethoven's symphony is in c minor but finishes in C major. Dvorak's cello concerto is titled in b minor, but it finishes in B major. I think (and that's only my personal opinion...if I were wrong please go easy on me...) which key a piece is in pretty much is determined by the first movement's key.
From 8:00 on Barenboim hits the FF x 2 button on the remote. Poco a poco!
Speaking of, one of my good friends is a bass bone player. When he and I first saw this back when, I think he was actually sexually excited at the end of the movement, commenting to Barenboim on the TV like it was some porn movie, "You're gonna bare teeth at me?! Oh, you're gonna get it now..." LOL!
I love Larry combs...
SLAVA Barenboimu!
(: Well, It determines only the first movement's key, the second movement can be basically in any key (in the classical period - a key related to the first movement by a fourth or fifth, and in the romantic - by thirds mainly :)
5:26 is timp excerpt ✌️
Muy bueno el solo de Corno Frances en el 3:17 con el Fagot
He may have chanelled Beethoven,But Peter fixed music into our day.No Romantic comes close.listen!
Jay Friedman is the principle trombonist with the number 3 or 4 orchestra in the world, Ill stick with him.
@j0seff1994 He's first chair because there is no trumpet player, he is pure air. Therefore he is the godly principal trumpet.
2:39 low brass beasts!!!!!
@mcphibbit03 Not trying to antagonize anyone here but I think its better to applaud and cheer the complete symphony. The crowd can remember how awesome this movement was when they cheer after the 4th movement which in this case is also amazing, it's a win win situation.
Maybe your point is more evident in the case of a symphony/concerto that has a very powerful beginning but a less impresive finale. The good part is that all Russian composers know how to save the best for last ;)
I wish i couldve heard this live but the only problem would be i would be 5 years old back then and wouldnt have been mature enough to understand music...
@formerlyaskeptic1
Lyricism = noun: An artist's expression of emotion in an imaginative and beautiful way; the quality of being lyrical.
By nature, this is subjective. I'm sorry if this beautiful performance of a beautiful piece of music isn't good enough for you. But don't throw about terms that are subjective.
Back in the day it wasn't impolite to applaud in between movement. For whatever reason it's not taboo... I wish we still could. (I'm a musician and I wouldn't mind)
Pardon my ignorance, but I don't understand the seemingly quick transition from intense turbulence to some sort of whimsical or drunken tone at around 3:00. I need time to recover from the previous portions and yet it takes me on some sort of stupor. I hope somebody can explain what the latter passage represents and why it follows so quickly afterwards :)
I think it means the theme is usually in f minor
In the first part of this first movement I noticed that the cellos, playing the same line, had different fingering. In fact it was the female player using her (weak?) pinky and the male player using 3rd finger. Is this common? Do the players decide what fingering to use? You could get greater vibrato with 3rd finger than with 4th, right?
@JohnLowe86 I like how he sped it up.. funny he does it faster than the Soviets! whcih go crezy fast!
It's John Hagstrom!
The man didn't need to bow at anyones altar.
and here's my thing: it's as if this is a 'brass at all costs' orchestra. it is very exciting, no doubt (i grew up listening to them here in chicago), but sometimes i want to hear ALL the parts, not just Bud and the low brass piercing through
@heracles3000 Yeah, I already said I don't understand. Why say it again? Thanks for explaining it to me, like I asked.
jakehr3, I think you have a point. Also, I don't know if I agree with Barenboim's interpretations all the time.
i have a question. I'm just starting to learn about music theory, so when they say that the symphony is played in f minor, do they mean that's where the key starts in because--tell me if i'm wrong--doesn't the key constantly change in a symphony? Like bethoveen and other classical composers would go through like all 13 key's in a single symphony. So wouldn't that make the f minor descriptor sort of silly? Just a question.
well, I think basically it means the whole story in centered in f minor. Doesn't matter where you wander to you will always go home to f minor......it's my personal opinion rather than an explanation.
BBRRRAAAAAAAVVVVOOOOOOOOOOO
Ill say it again. Jay Friedman= Best Orchestral Trombonist Ever
2:37 geezus that is scary