@x3azn4 As for the PJ vs Bisu game you were referring to...he had set up a contain but there was no way he could have broken into Bisu's base. And wtf do you mean he had to wait?
@x3azn4 I really don't understand what you're trying to say. For one thing not being supply blocked really isn't an achievment beyond the D level lol. And Idra and Ret have been training in Korea on pro teams for a year or two so if you think PJ can beat any of them then...uhh...yea...
@Atm0sphere33 i never mentioned anything about supply depot... so.... don't know where u got that from???.... and bisu's pylon contain could've been atked earlier by pj as he gambled that 2nd base for economy. So he could've pushed despite bisu already have a reaver and just pay a higher price to buy out bisu's structures. But he chose to wait until that advantage becomes more transparent, which resulted in bisu's DT saving the day. just because u get owned by pros dont make u one.
@ppshchik Kolll was beating everyone during that time...as for Idra losing, I'm sure Flash and Jaedong have dropped a series or 2 vs some1 who isnt as good as them. 1 Result really doesnt mean that much and it was before Idra started training heavily with CJ Entus (he said he spent a while in Korea before he officially joined their team)
Finally, just about every non Korean vs a Korean game is laughable. 2nd, that game was like a month after Ret went to Korea, so again slightly irrelevant. In the game you're referring to the other guy had a pretty big build order advantage, which should usually equal a free win. But great job generalizing all Chinese and European / American players with 2 games. Brilliant analytical skills you got there.
weird game i think the dimaga never saw anything like that cause its such an old school strat and he is a more new school player wcg 2009 was amazing set of games of starcraft except for this one lol
Um PJ made a mistake for massing dragoons + late observer after fending against Bisu's push. Also it shouldn't be counted against PJ that he lost against Bisu, not even Stork can beat Bisu TBH.
Ffs one series doesnt prove as much as you think it does =P. Btw looking back its pathetic that we've had a 2 page argument over if idra is good or not.
@Atm0sphere33 yo, i dont think u set ur records straight, if u wouldve said that ret and idra had a chance against PJ, i wouldn't argue against that. but nony got beat by Lovett, thats one of the chinese protoss players who plays Aion in his freetime. P.J. could've beated bisu in WCG 2009, but like all other A players who play against S player Bisu, he had to make sure, so he waited and waited until DT came out. But Idra wouldn't stood a chance against even F91, who is on the same lvl as PJ.
@Atm0sphere33 Ugh. thank you for your comment, Mr. Atmosphere thirty-three, if not presumably the most humourous piece I have heard in all my 200 years of living i would say. Stop pretending to be a civilized man, it would be utterly a disgrace among you and your friend for you to bitterly not to accept defeat. I would encourage you to have yourself some more observations at those replays if you think you have watched enought. Those chinese gentlemen are simply the most facinating oppoonents
@tphu2007 I like how you made your post with minimal trashtalk :). It's annoying when people can only express their feelings by swearing or calling someone a faggot... (No sarcasm lol). Btw still watching this match, seem like it'll be a good one!
1 result doesn't mean much? Pj defeated Idra in a bo6 and you're still making excuses? Wait for Idra to qualify into WCG top 4, then we'll talk agian. PS: He can't even beat artosis in SC2.
"pj rarely have pylon population crisis"..by that I'm assuming you mean he never had too little supply to build more units unless population crisis is some awesome term I'm unfamiliar with. Also pylon contain? Wtf? And no he could not have gotten in Bisu's game. I suggest you watch the game or better yet, stop pretending to know so much when you clearly don't. Finally, Idra > PJ by miles, he's been training on CJ Entus for about 2 years now
@Atm0sphere33 PJ defated Idra in a Bo6 match in semifinal ASL, no excuse for that eh? Idra got eliminated 0-2 by some 14 year old German kid who played SC for 1-2 years in WCG 2009, sum that out
@Atm0sphere33 im guessing u do, i';ve never heard of u. go play some chinese semi-pros and theyll show u theres so many cheese in this game u dont know about, matter of fact id lik to play u.
@x3azn4 LOL ok. Uhh, no points brought up here but sure. PLease just answer one question though. Why does my thinking idra is better mean that I have caucasian pride? I thought ppl were beyond turning everything they can into a racial conflict.
"all people who favors idra simply because either they themselves were white, they only like foreign terran players, or they just dont know anybody else." LOL! Oh wow. Absurd assumption and ridiculous generalization. Theres nothing genetic that makes ppl better at starcraft. Koreans own cause of how seriously the country takes the game, all the institutions, funding, coaching etc etc. Idra is better because he's been in korea for about 2 years now.
So refreshing to see games that differ from the norm. The builds look like how I used to play when I first started. Awesome!
I love the way Tasteless casts games! he is the cause i like SC1 this much!
starcraft has never been famous for its graphics, but its gameplay!
Odd, different and good - top level foreigners really do make for interesting games that don't follow the usual recipe. Nice, GG!
@x3azn4 As for the PJ vs Bisu game you were referring to...he had set up a contain but there was no way he could have broken into Bisu's base. And wtf do you mean he had to wait?
Hey watching these games is far more intense than any "real sport" to me. Starcraft needs to be huge like football.
Pj is good protoss...
Yep agree
yeah i agree the isometric graphics of it really works
@Atm0sphere33 well, mayb u like to look up idra vs pj? and explained what went on there, the date is pretty recent.
game starts at around 5:00
thanks for ur game start advice =)
@Atm0sphere33 for the record, even if PJ beat Bisu, all it means is PJ beat Bisu. It dont mean hes better.
@x3azn4 I really don't understand what you're trying to say. For one thing not being supply blocked really isn't an achievment beyond the D level lol. And Idra and Ret have been training in Korea on pro teams for a year or two so if you think PJ can beat any of them then...uhh...yea...
@Atm0sphere33 i never mentioned anything about supply depot... so.... don't know where u got that from???.... and bisu's pylon contain could've been atked earlier by pj as he gambled that 2nd base for economy. So he could've pushed despite bisu already have a reaver and just pay a higher price to buy out bisu's structures. But he chose to wait until that advantage becomes more transparent, which resulted in bisu's DT saving the day. just because u get owned by pros dont make u one.
@Atm0sphere33 nope, i never heard of that of course. 1 year > 8 month, i rest my case.
@x3azn4 I meant 1, but I guess you've never heard of a typo.
Oh and i did look up the game..8 months ago?
game's at 4:55
Broodwar is from 1998. What graphics you guys expect, omg...
@ppshchik Kolll was beating everyone during that time...as for Idra losing, I'm sure Flash and Jaedong have dropped a series or 2 vs some1 who isnt as good as them. 1 Result really doesnt mean that much and it was before Idra started training heavily with CJ Entus (he said he spent a while in Korea before he officially joined their team)
Interesting match!
Funny how PJ got rapped so handily by Bisu. Really shows u the skill difference between koreans and non koreans
@Atm0sphere33 yeah sure, blue cheese, macaroni cheese, ginger cheese, chedder cheese, mozzerela cheese, swiss cheese and ect.
Finally, just about every non Korean vs a Korean game is laughable. 2nd, that game was like a month after Ret went to Korea, so again slightly irrelevant. In the game you're referring to the other guy had a pretty big build order advantage, which should usually equal a free win. But great job generalizing all Chinese and European / American players with 2 games. Brilliant analytical skills you got there.
why is this sound not synced up? :'(
weird game i think the dimaga never saw anything like that cause its such an old school strat and he is a more new school player wcg 2009 was amazing set of games of starcraft except for this one lol
Um PJ made a mistake for massing dragoons + late observer after fending against Bisu's push.
Also it shouldn't be counted against PJ that he lost against Bisu, not even Stork can beat Bisu TBH.
pj looks so cute
Ffs one series doesnt prove as much as you think it does =P. Btw looking back its pathetic that we've had a 2 page argument over if idra is good or not.
@Atm0sphere33 yo, i dont think u set ur records straight, if u wouldve said that ret and idra had a chance against PJ, i wouldn't argue against that. but nony got beat by Lovett, thats one of the chinese protoss players who plays Aion in his freetime. P.J. could've beated bisu in WCG 2009, but like all other A players who play against S player Bisu, he had to make sure, so he waited and waited until DT came out. But Idra wouldn't stood a chance against even F91, who is on the same lvl as PJ.
@Atm0sphere33 Ugh. thank you for your comment, Mr. Atmosphere thirty-three, if not presumably the most humourous piece I have heard in all my 200 years of living i would say. Stop pretending to be a civilized man, it would be utterly a disgrace among you and your friend for you to bitterly not to accept defeat. I would encourage you to have yourself some more observations at those replays if you think you have watched enought. Those chinese gentlemen are simply the most facinating oppoonents
always sound desynchro in wcg videos !
LoL starcraft is really a sport in Korea xD
@tphu2007
I like how you made your post with minimal trashtalk :). It's annoying when people can only express their feelings by swearing or calling someone a faggot...
(No sarcasm lol).
Btw still watching this match, seem like it'll be a good one!
@Atm0sphere33 pj is the best outside korea
for the record, dimaga look lik a european version of fengzi, check him if u dont believe me haha, shit that is funny
@TheRealTrikein Why dont you watch any games between good players instead? Watch bisu vs jaedong or something. itll be way more entertaining.
pj的战术 已经不适合 当代地图了。
1 result doesn't mean much? Pj defeated Idra in a bo6 and you're still making excuses?
Wait for Idra to qualify into WCG top 4, then we'll talk agian.
PS: He can't even beat artosis in SC2.
@Atm0sphere33 pj stood more chance against korean progamers than any other non koreas.
pj will crush all european and american players with 250apm.
@Atm0sphere33 koreans made the game lethal, chinese made the cheese
"pj rarely have pylon population crisis"..by that I'm assuming you mean he never had too little supply to build more units unless population crisis is some awesome term I'm unfamiliar with. Also pylon contain? Wtf? And no he could not have gotten in Bisu's game. I suggest you watch the game or better yet, stop pretending to know so much when you clearly don't.
Finally, Idra > PJ by miles, he's been training on CJ Entus for about 2 years now
LOL hahahahah oh wow uhh...yea..im sure they did. Wanna give me any specific cheeses they made?
Lol no he won't. Idra and Ret (along with a few other ppl like Nony, Morrow, etc) would stomp all over him trust me
@tphu2007
Lol, trudat.
@Atm0sphere33 PJ defated Idra in a Bo6 match in semifinal ASL, no excuse for that eh?
Idra got eliminated 0-2 by some 14 year old German kid who played SC for 1-2 years in WCG 2009, sum that out
@Atm0sphere33 im guessing u do, i';ve never heard of u. go play some chinese semi-pros and theyll show u theres so many cheese in this game u dont know about, matter of fact id lik to play u.
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@x3azn4 LOL ok. Uhh, no points brought up here but sure. PLease just answer one question though. Why does my thinking idra is better mean that I have caucasian pride? I thought ppl were beyond turning everything they can into a racial conflict.
@Atm0sphere33 I rest my case. 致命武器out.
"all people who favors idra simply because either they themselves were white, they only like foreign terran players, or they just dont know anybody else." LOL! Oh wow. Absurd assumption and ridiculous generalization. Theres nothing genetic that makes ppl better at starcraft. Koreans own cause of how seriously the country takes the game, all the institutions, funding, coaching etc etc. Idra is better because he's been in korea for about 2 years now.
Weird game
lol i hate how they made them wear those ugly tabard thingies
oh look they dont wear sport jackets like ppl doing normal sports, they wear NERD JACKETS
noob game
I did not find this game entertaining at all. Guess I am used to SC2.
these graphics suck compared to starcraft2
Better than sc2