Awesome stuff mate, so great to see a new video from you, we all want more! I was looking at a tinker myself for a while there and I might still get one but definitely not for heavy sparing as you've demonstrated.
It's hanweis QC that's hit or miss... I have a Greatsword of War from them that i've spent hours on to get into a shape i consider "safe for use"... The shoulders of the tang where it meets the blade where far to square, the same goes where the tang transitions into the threads. Even after spending hours on sanding and polishing, fixing problems that a sword make should know about, like the squared parts, i still feel like it's going to break any minute. The hardening on it is questionable, since it's far too floppy and soft for a sword of it's size. Now onto my friends Hanwei Tinker longsword... He got the one with the diamond cross section, not that it has any impact on what i have to say about it. He bought his sword about a year after i got my Greatsword. It has the exact same problems, same ultra rough finish and the tip is so soft that it bends when you poke it through shipping cardboard... Comparing it to my Albion Talhoffer, which is overkill i know, you start to see how bad Hanweis Tinker line is. Threaded tangs, poor build and a general lack of quality control. Every single Hanwei sword, knife or axe i've looked at, left me wondering if the people at Hanwei have any clue as to what they're doing. I know Hanweis are cheap, and certainly not on Albions level of craftsmanship. But where I live, they're sold at such a high price in my opinion, that you'd be better off to save up and import an Albion from the US, or cantact one of europes many great swordsmiths. All in all, if you want a wall hanger and plan on doing a tiny amount of backyard cutting (slaying an army of milk cartons), then Hanweis are okay. Not good, not bad, but somewhere in between. If you're looking for a serious investment, look for another company... And for the love of the gods, dont buy sharp swords with threaded tangs/ screw-on pommels! It's one thing to have a blunt sword fail. Imagine a sharp and pointy blade flying through the air because it broke... That's the risk you run with threaded tangs.
Visuals are pretty, but not very informative. He could have made slideshow with sword forms and title them, instead of having one graphic morph into another and talk over it.
I just wanted to add that Tinker Pierce made a few comments on Medieval Review's video review of the blunt Hanwei Tinker trainer sword and he mentioned heating the tang to blue/grey color with a propain torch/blowtorch would fix that breakage problem. He surmised that the later Hanwei Tinker longsword series aren't properly tempered at the tang in the factory, which would explain why you have people saying that they put their Hanwei Longswords through testing and major use with no problem, and then you also have people where their Hanwei Longswords snapped druing not so intensive sparring. Either way, I would rather spend the cash on a good federschwert for sparring.
Yep, and this was an issue with early production swords. Convincing the folks at Hanwei that the shoulder was absolutely critical to the blades integrity, both in form and heat treatment was like unto a Labor of Hercules. I stopped hearing about this problem in recent years, which I take as a good sign. That being said if you come across a Tinker Hanwei sword of uncertain vintage do take it apart and examine the join of the shoulder and blade. It should be rounded with no hard corners, and while you've got it apart it couldn't hurt to temper the area to a blue color with a propane torch.
So if I purchased a new production Hanwei Tinker Bastard Sword now in 2023, I should be okay? Also just in case, I think I will still take your advice and heat the area to a blue color in order to soften the area up so that the sword will bend instead of breaking at that junction point. My question is how many times can you temper the steel in the area? Will doing it too many times cause any issues with the sword? I don't know too much about blacksmithing and just realized that you are Tinker Pearce. So of course you know what you are talking about. Also, I just looked at a picture of Hanwei's replacement blades and it seems that they've added a radius to the join of the shoulder and blade so it seems like they've addressed the problem of a poorly constructed blade to tang section.
Since about 1,5 years I use a Tinker longsword for training and also hard sparring. The blade now looks like a saw, but nothing has broken so far. In my opinion, a good sword. Very good in handling, but with its 1350 grams somewhat fragile.
I've seen 2 swords snap in person, both Hanweis. On the plus side they did replace them free of charge and let the person keep the old one (which he later cut down in to a dagger), The rest of the Hanweis I've seen have lasted pretty well but it's not a risk I personally want to make.
holy crap that almost came apart like a welded display sword :P btw if you want some help with your audio drop me a private message. Won't cost you a thing, just trying to spread the love =)
@@TheSwordsPathChannel It happens, they heat treat their tangs also. This makes Hanwei tangs hard and brittle, easily shattered after a couple hard hits. Not a good idea. Good sword companies only heat treat the blade, at least 2 to 4 inches away from the handle.
Holy moly, are you doing all this super-duper stuff by yourself alone? That's some high-quality animation and video editing. P.S. Nogawice włócznika morczne w chuj. W oczekiwnaiu na wizytę pogromców mroku, może już teraz zacząć smarować dupę wazeliną :P
I almost got a Hanwei Tinker as my first longsword, mostly to save money and waiting time but I decided to save up a bit longer and get a Regenyei blunt (not a federschwert) instead. After seeing this video I'm very glad I made the choice I did.
I have the hand and a half Tinker, I've bashed it up pretty hard without it taking permanent damage, I probably got lucky and got a properly head treated one. I don't use it for sparring the reasons mentioned in the video, I have a Regenyei though.
This may be a question for Matt Easton, but does anybody know a kind of historical soldier that intentionally fought with a long sword and no shield? Knights in armor on horseback maybe? Anyone on foot? I get the impression it was more of a sidearm.
P Ciprian Longswords are meant to be used with two hands. Did you learn about Medieval combat from playing RPGs and immediately decide it was time to educate people on the internet? I will never understand what compels people to give a lengthy response about something they know nothing about, without first mentioning that they don't actually know.
the Hanwei tinker swords are what they are: a £250 sword...compared to yours which are? £590+? also the hanwei are mass market whilst yours are pretty much bespoke pieces.... yes the hanwei shattered, because of what looks like poor tempering: the granulation in the steel on the broken parts hints at that; but its hardly a fair comparison compared to your masterpieces. also; looking frame per frame, it appears you barely hit the sword; looking at its shattering flight path and the fact the blade flies upwards which seems to be clearly opposite to the force of impact from your cut. its an interesting video if only from the point of view of understanding the forces involved. ive put my tinker through plenty of cutting practice and sparring with various swords; both live and blunt blades (for the tinker) and had no issues. if it was me id be emailing the company and asking them to look at the blade with the thought of a bad temper. but still; trust me; if i had the cash id be ordering one of your swords in the blink of an eye! LOL
There are mass-made Regenyeis in the Hanwei price range which are much more reliable, I can recommend them over a TP Longsword. :) And yes, the contact was really light. We were all surprised it managed to break the blade. :(
yeah ive seen and fought with, and against, the Regenyeis blades. the lack of contact tells far more than anything i think...it honestly looks like a duff temper. ive shattered and had shattered many swords over the years and for that to fail in the manner it did means that crack was there long before your attack. be interesting to know thew history of the swords usage. my pet hate with the Tinker is the mild steel threading...its a classic way to focus pressure waves back up the hilt into the focal areas of the quillion and the tang shoulder. as with many things its down to experience and what you are used to using as well as personal experience.
yeah ive seen and fought with, and against, the Regenyeis blades. the lack of contact tells far more than anything i think...it honestly looks like a duff temper. ive shattered and had shattered many swords over the years and for that to fail in the manner it did means that crack was there long before your attack. be interesting to know thew history of the swords usage. my pet hate with the Tinker is the mild steel threading...its a classic way to focus pressure waves back up the hilt into the focal areas of the quillion and the tang shoulder. as with many things its down to experience and what you are used to using as well as personal experience.
That's the thing, it was only ever used to film Rafał's Fiore video, never sparred or even practiced with. :| I'm not a fan of threaded pommels overall, while they might work for shorter blades, in a longsword it's just too much of a vulnerability due to the tang's length and pommel's weight.
i agree; but its a case of having the "luxury" of blade swapping i guess. For me the Tinker gave me the base to modify the handle and pommel and suchlike without spending too much cash. it is a good building block sword if you will. easily modified to suit new grip, or heavier pommel or fancy quillion if you fancy flexing your smithing skills or like to tweak things to suit. plus i dont care too much if it gets the crap beaten out of it. its no huge loss. never sparred with or practised with? yep! id be shipping that right back to Hanwei!! LOL TBH chances are he will get a new blade out of them for it. its worth the email/photos etc if nothing else.
Historically tangs were also often mild steel forge welded to a higher carbon steel blade. That made the tang softer, less likely to break, and easier to peen or repeen. I don't think that is necessary with the quality of modern steel, it just needs to be heated treated and tempered differently than the rest of the blade.
That was certainly a practice, but it wasn’t as common as a single piece tang. The tang is supposed to remain unhardened to prevent this from happening.
I couldn’t understand much of what he said but, one other reason it probably broke is because of the sharp transition from the tang to the blade, where good longswords tend to have a slight taper to them so to not take impact like that
Well, skallagrim made a video about one of the hanwei tinker swords and it was pretty good for sparring according to the tests, so apparently not all are that weak
@@jeremyheath9299 His channel runs with clickbait videos with the help of faithful watchers. There is no need for him to go really in depth with tests and demonstrations, like other channels do. He does a poor demonstration in bad faith and makes a bunch of conclusions from that, and I hate that the big masses take those "findings" at face value.
I've had two tinkers break as a training longsword... Definitely getting a sharpened blade because I trust it to hold up to non sparring use since they're so inexpensive but I wish I did that straight off the bat
I have noticed another difference between the blunt sword and the sharp sword, the fuller on the blunted sword is wider, about as wide as the tang. I'm sure that certainly doesn't strengthen that connection point.
I've used the older version of Hanwei's Sentinel sword for cutting down an 8ft tall, 6ft diameter shrub with minimal damage. I beat the crap out of that sword and it's still going strong.
We see subpar heat treating in rifles too, especially U.S. made AKs. Small pieces snap off from incorrect hardening and the shooter has an out of battery failure.
Display sword, it's great. Or just for test cutting. Plus, I've heard Hanwei improved throughout the years. You should ask some sword professionals/owners, a good place to ask is at "r/swords" on reddit. Have a great day!
I have 2 Hanwei/Tinker 9th Century Viking Swords.sharp. I once chopped a few wooden scabbards/wooden block with one sword. The sword didn't break. I would buy again and again.
The close up of the break shows how bad the grain structure is of the steel. Edit: this is idicative of no, or a poor level of, normalising cycles prior to final heat treatment (which was likely bare bones).
Irrelevant jab aside, I haven’t heard anything negative in terms of handling for the price point on these, only that some of them break. Skallagrim’s didn’t, so his experience was positive. A reviewer can only review what they actually have in front of them. It’s a good example of why one shouldn’t base one’s view of a sword on a single positive review though, because no matter how experienced, objective and honest the reviewer is they could always have received an unusually good example.
hey man i wrote to academy audentia a couple of weeks ago because i wanted to try a longsword class, since ive spent 3 month now in Wrocław, as an erasmus student. I wanted to visit Kraków and i didnt want to go without trying the longsword. I sent an email to the email direction of the academy and i even searched for it in google, but i wasnt answered and i didnt find it. This last weekend ive visited Kraków and unfortunately i havent been able to go to a seminar. Ill go back to Spain tomorrow. Would have been nice meeting you too since i love your work so maybe you could provide more information for the next time i visit Poland. Id really appreciate it
Starving Africans could have used that steel to make farming implements to grow food! Seriously though, the wielder was literally inches away from being wounded by his shattering sword.
Nice video. In the club I train at we tend to keep Henwei's together with other Hanweis. Otherwise they would be up against swords that would destroy them. Any experience with the sharp versions?
Hot spots from hardening that you show as bands is due to spiral coil electric induction hardening, Its quick and efficient for a factory but not craft.
I always had a feeling that sword model was garbage, i've handled one and didn't feel confident cutting wood with it. everybody tells me how well the tinker longsword handles, it feels flimsy. I didn't cut with it though.
Do you have any recommendations on where to get swords if you live in Canada? I've asked for a sword for my birthday and I'm hoping I don't get some crap that will break 2 seconds later...
I always thought swords like hanwei tinkers were made as blunts and then sharpened if desired, not made as a sharp then dulled afterwards. I thought that was what most smiths did, an entry level 'sharp' is just a sharpened blunt.
So the tinker broke, damn, I thought they were so good, does some of this have to do w the square blade base, I see that the Weerks guy makes his all angles, and the gaurd comes up arou d it, he uses a tool to forge a pocket , does this help swords not break?
I think the issue with Hanwei is they are mass produced in such numbers that they can't ensure good heat treating on all the blades. I'm not making excsuses for it, but I've seen this with other Hanwei blades. I have a Hanwei practical 37 inch rapier fencing blade that I've owned for years and fenced many bouts with, some in tournaments, and aside from some dings in the parrying area, has held up fine. But I've literally seen other examples of the exact same blade break near the tip from very light use. I would almost recommend that someone who has just gotten a Hanwei fencing sword put on fencing gear and a mask and strike it against a similar fencing weapon a few times with decent strength (not too much, even "real" swords aren't indestructible). If it breaks after a very reasonable stress test, send it back.
_Technically,_ a spotted blade _could_ be saved. You could take the whole sword apart, normalize the blade (by heating the whole blade past magnetic point, then letting it buried in an isolating medium like sand or ashes for a whole day to cool _slooooowly),_ then repeating the process three or more times to ensure it is _truly_ homogeneous steel again, and _then_ re-start the whole heat treating process - this time with care. A simple procedure taking only about a week of man-hours and barely four times as much coal or gas as it was needed to heat-treat it the first time. Afterwards (and asuming the blade didn't warp itself during the heat treatment, forcing you to start anew) you would simply need to re-assemble the sword again, maybe using the oportunity to actually peening the pommel instead of screwing it. As you can see, a _very_ simple procedure, easily within reach and means of any novice reenactor or swordman with limited skill, time and budget.
My hanwai tinker pierce (sharp ) is one of my best swords , balanced , swift, the pommel is fitted properly, the blade is beautiful and forged correctly, but I collect functional swords and obviously I can't spar with them so I wouldn't know about it's durability
Also i bought a file and saw and used that on a 7 gage peace of flat bar so no i cant forge excuse. Better a beginners made sword than a unknown sword.
Hanwei is fine. You get what pay for - a budget piece to goof off in the back yard. You can get lemons in every company and Hanwei just has a huge production volume, which makes it more likely to be prominent. 1 out of a 100 production run breaking will get less attention than 100 out of 10'000. At the end of the day it hard to beat them for the price, which is why they are so popular.
Actually I can explain that, Chinese law prohibited production of blade in massive scale without registration and civil companies to produce military use weapon, though there're blacksmiths forging swords in China, but most people just don't care about the quality, they just want to have something good looking in their house as a charm, so, hanwei simply make decorations in form of sword instead of a proper blade.
I know this comment is pretty late, but I have the exact same sword and it's strange how easily yours broke. I've put it through a lot of wear, like cutting blackberry bushes, hacking off branches, and hitting wood and helmets to test the material. So far it has hardly taken any damage apart from the thin point curling, but that was an easy fix and still works fine. As many people have said, the reason yours broke is probably because the producers made a mistake while tempering, and you can tell by the high pitched sound that it was very brittle where it broke.
excellent video . how much do you charge for a messier i probably cant afford it but it dosent hurt to ask . what about darksword in Canada i have the dane two hand its a nice sword but i dont train much anymore so dont know its durability . so do you fully anneal your blade before heat treat and is the tang full taper or sharp angle transition like the tinker. i would love to forge a blade but my health is poor and i am not equipped. i am journeyman welder by trade and understand metallurgy and heat affect . so let me say you are certainly right about the harmonics and hot spot is martensite in the grain captured by quench causing a hard spot but the transition point is too sharp a angle for the thin section and a week point even if treat goes well full tang is only way to go. thank you for the video please make more
Alas, all too common. I'm beginning to think that I'm the only lucky one. I've had my Tinker longsword for six years. I've used it for drills on the pell and in full speed sparring. I love everything about mine except for knowing that it will snap in half someday. The pommel snapped off of my Tinker arming sword last year, and it did it in the hands of a five year old. The nut on the threaded tang is unique to Hanwei swords and makes the sword difficult to repair. I recommend against them at every opportunity.
Awesome stuff mate, so great to see a new video from you, we all want more! I was looking at a tinker myself for a while there and I might still get one but definitely not for heavy sparing as you've demonstrated.
Thanks, Shad!
Get a Regenyei, I've heard there's a fresh batch somewhere in Australia. :)
ive used my tinker for hema for about a year and its held up perfectly. maybe its hit or miss?
I think Skall did a review on the sword, and found it well.
It's hanweis QC that's hit or miss...
I have a Greatsword of War from them that i've spent hours on to get into a shape i consider "safe for use"...
The shoulders of the tang where it meets the blade where far to square, the same goes where the tang transitions into the threads.
Even after spending hours on sanding and polishing, fixing problems that a sword make should know about, like the squared parts, i still feel like it's going to break any minute.
The hardening on it is questionable, since it's far too floppy and soft for a sword of it's size.
Now onto my friends Hanwei Tinker longsword...
He got the one with the diamond cross section, not that it has any impact on what i have to say about it.
He bought his sword about a year after i got my Greatsword.
It has the exact same problems, same ultra rough finish and the tip is so soft that it bends when you poke it through shipping cardboard...
Comparing it to my Albion Talhoffer, which is overkill i know, you start to see how bad Hanweis Tinker line is.
Threaded tangs, poor build and a general lack of quality control.
Every single Hanwei sword, knife or axe i've looked at, left me wondering if the people at Hanwei have any clue as to what they're doing.
I know Hanweis are cheap, and certainly not on Albions level of craftsmanship.
But where I live, they're sold at such a high price in my opinion, that you'd be better off to save up and import an Albion from the US, or cantact one of europes many great swordsmiths.
All in all, if you want a wall hanger and plan on doing a tiny amount of backyard cutting (slaying an army of milk cartons), then Hanweis are okay.
Not good, not bad, but somewhere in between.
If you're looking for a serious investment, look for another company...
And for the love of the gods, dont buy sharp swords with threaded tangs/ screw-on pommels!
It's one thing to have a blunt sword fail.
Imagine a sharp and pointy blade flying through the air because it broke...
That's the risk you run with threaded tangs.
I've been doing heavy sparring with mine for over 5 years. Still going strong.
I really like the visuals of this video keep it up all your videos should. be done the same way in my opinion.good job keep it up.
Visuals are pretty, but not very informative. He could have made
slideshow with sword forms and title them, instead of having one graphic
morph into another and talk over it.
All you need is a better mic and you're easily in the high echelon of quality in the sword community, really enjoyable video!
Well said!
I can understand him just fine he’s already in the high echelon
I just wanted to add that Tinker Pierce made a few comments on Medieval Review's video review of the blunt Hanwei Tinker trainer sword and he mentioned heating the tang to blue/grey color with a propain torch/blowtorch would fix that breakage problem. He surmised that the later Hanwei Tinker longsword series aren't properly tempered at the tang in the factory, which would explain why you have people saying that they put their Hanwei Longswords through testing and major use with no problem, and then you also have people where their Hanwei Longswords snapped druing not so intensive sparring.
Either way, I would rather spend the cash on a good federschwert for sparring.
+Mihajlo Knezevic Thank you for this comment. This makes a lot of sense.
I am really glad you cleared the audio quality, its a fantastic video.
Yep, and this was an issue with early production swords. Convincing the folks at Hanwei that the shoulder was absolutely critical to the blades integrity, both in form and heat treatment was like unto a Labor of Hercules. I stopped hearing about this problem in recent years, which I take as a good sign. That being said if you come across a Tinker Hanwei sword of uncertain vintage do take it apart and examine the join of the shoulder and blade. It should be rounded with no hard corners, and while you've got it apart it couldn't hurt to temper the area to a blue color with a propane torch.
So if I purchased a new production Hanwei Tinker Bastard Sword now in 2023, I should be okay? Also just in case, I think I will still take your advice and heat the area to a blue color in order to soften the area up so that the sword will bend instead of breaking at that junction point. My question is how many times can you temper the steel in the area? Will doing it too many times cause any issues with the sword? I don't know too much about blacksmithing and just realized that you are Tinker Pearce. So of course you know what you are talking about.
Also, I just looked at a picture of Hanwei's replacement blades and it seems that they've added a radius to the join of the shoulder and blade so it seems like they've addressed the problem of a poorly constructed blade to tang section.
Since about 1,5 years I use a Tinker longsword for training and also hard sparring. The blade now looks like a saw, but nothing has broken so far. In my opinion, a good sword. Very good in handling, but with its 1350 grams somewhat fragile.
I was looking at this sword for sparring. I think you saved me some money!
They changed way of making those. Tang isnt hard anymore so no breaking also blade and tang corner is more finished so wont make weakspot there.
I've seen 2 swords snap in person, both Hanweis. On the plus side they did replace them free of charge and let the person keep the old one (which he later cut down in to a dagger), The rest of the Hanweis I've seen have lasted pretty well but it's not a risk I personally want to make.
Repair Powder
Ihaz Noame Broken Straight Sword now
Repair powder Will not fix My broken heart after hearing that sword snap
Nice visual production
holy crap that almost came apart like a welded display sword :P
btw if you want some help with your audio drop me a private message. Won't cost you a thing, just trying to spread the love =)
Would love some assistance with the audio, I'll definitely be contacting you. :)
@@TheSwordsPathChannel It happens, they heat treat their tangs also. This makes Hanwei tangs hard and brittle, easily shattered after a couple hard hits. Not a good idea. Good sword companies only heat treat the blade, at least 2 to 4 inches away from the handle.
You're so thorough with the description, wonderful stuff!
I love how you upped the production values/general quality of everything in this video.
oh man... that hurts. good review, I was sorry to see that break immediately.
thank you, i had thought about buying it for sword on sword sparring! Very informative!
Holy moly, are you doing all this super-duper stuff by yourself alone? That's some high-quality animation and video editing.
P.S. Nogawice włócznika morczne w chuj. W oczekiwnaiu na wizytę pogromców mroku, może już teraz zacząć smarować dupę wazeliną :P
All on my own, yeah. Glad you appreciate it. :)
P.S. To jest mroczny kanał, chłopakom już szkoda strzępić ryja na jakieś szczegóły ubioru. :D
Kamil Szadkowski
deha już zaciera rączki :P
Spostowałbym, ale ten film nie ma w sumie nic wspólnego z reko, w reko nikt by nie kupił Hanweia :D
Tylko tak się śmieję , poza tym to nie wczesne więc nie ma po co wrzucać :)
Tak poza tym to do czego te scenki są kręcone ?
Do nowego filmu Rafała o Fiore dei Liberim. :)
Totally love the new format from this video, it would be more lovely if you could provide subs. Thanks and keep up the good work!
Dude don't stop with these videos...your voice...soooo smooth!!! :3
I almost got a Hanwei Tinker as my first longsword, mostly to save money and waiting time but I decided to save up a bit longer and get a Regenyei blunt (not a federschwert) instead. After seeing this video I'm very glad I made the choice I did.
I really like your voice and the way you explain things. This video feels like watching a cool documentary! Great job, man!
Very informative. I am learning a variety of things from your channel.
The spear guy has a severe breech-problem ^^
Oh damn. Once you see it...
This is great, but now we all know *exactly* what sort of sword to get to achieve a theatrical 'my sword is greater than yours' effect
I wish I could give you more thumbs up for this video
I feel like hanwei makes more off the replacement blades than the initial, completed sword purchase.
ive had mine for years and it hasnt broken yet
0:03 Well ain't that just a rapier wielding Egyptian in 8th century Denmark!
Amazing visuals ! And really nice flow !
I have the hand and a half Tinker, I've bashed it up pretty hard without it taking permanent damage, I probably got lucky and got a properly head treated one. I don't use it for sparring the reasons mentioned in the video, I have a Regenyei though.
This is more likely a competitors video to sell their products
@@Trianglewitch. Really? You should watch my video. Hanwei sucks, honest facts.
You should see how I test my swords. Brutal, but honest.
@@ColossalSwordFormAndTechnique Show us some of yours then
Man I loved this video. Great job!
Thanks for explanations.
Explanations are good.
Can you imagine that happening to a trained soldier who saved up his pay and loot money to buy that sword? 3 seconds into a fight: WHANG
This may be a question for Matt Easton, but does anybody know a kind of historical soldier that intentionally fought with a long sword and no shield? Knights in armor on horseback maybe? Anyone on foot? I get the impression it was more of a sidearm.
P Ciprian Longswords are meant to be used with two hands. Did you learn about Medieval combat from playing RPGs and immediately decide it was time to educate people on the internet? I will never understand what compels people to give a lengthy response about something they know nothing about, without first mentioning that they don't actually know.
tbf, A longsword that's short enough to be used one-handed would often be called an epee batarde, a bastard sword
WOW amazing editing!
I recently had my ponytail cut off now it doesnt feel right when I swing swords
:(
This is the saddest comment I've read all year. :'(
@@Ranstone It's just a ponytail?
You have to admit it handles really well
Why did I find this video two days after the delivery of my Tinker longsword.....?
the Hanwei tinker swords are what they are: a £250 sword...compared to yours which are? £590+?
also the hanwei are mass market whilst yours are pretty much bespoke pieces....
yes the hanwei shattered, because of what looks like poor tempering: the granulation in the steel on the broken parts hints at that; but its hardly a fair comparison compared to your masterpieces.
also; looking frame per frame, it appears you barely hit the sword; looking at its shattering flight path and the fact the blade flies upwards which seems to be clearly opposite to the force of impact from your cut.
its an interesting video if only from the point of view of understanding the forces involved.
ive put my tinker through plenty of cutting practice and sparring with various swords; both live and blunt blades (for the tinker) and had no issues. if it was me id be emailing the company and asking them to look at the blade with the thought of a bad temper.
but still; trust me; if i had the cash id be ordering one of your swords in the blink of an eye! LOL
There are mass-made Regenyeis in the Hanwei price range which are much more reliable, I can recommend them over a TP Longsword. :)
And yes, the contact was really light. We were all surprised it managed to break the blade. :(
yeah ive seen and fought with, and against, the Regenyeis blades.
the lack of contact tells far more than anything i think...it honestly looks like a duff temper.
ive shattered and had shattered many swords over the years and for that to fail in the manner it did means that crack was there long before your attack.
be interesting to know thew history of the swords usage.
my pet hate with the Tinker is the mild steel threading...its a classic way to focus pressure waves back up the hilt into the focal areas of the quillion and the tang shoulder.
as with many things its down to experience and what you are used to using as well as personal experience.
yeah ive seen and fought with, and against, the Regenyeis blades.
the lack of contact tells far more than anything i think...it honestly looks like a duff temper.
ive shattered and had shattered many swords over the years and for that to fail in the manner it did means that crack was there long before your attack.
be interesting to know thew history of the swords usage.
my pet hate with the Tinker is the mild steel threading...its a classic way to focus pressure waves back up the hilt into the focal areas of the quillion and the tang shoulder.
as with many things its down to experience and what you are used to using as well as personal experience.
That's the thing, it was only ever used to film Rafał's Fiore video, never sparred or even practiced with. :|
I'm not a fan of threaded pommels overall, while they might work for shorter blades, in a longsword it's just too much of a vulnerability due to the tang's length and pommel's weight.
i agree; but its a case of having the "luxury" of blade swapping i guess. For me the Tinker gave me the base to modify the handle and pommel and suchlike without spending too much cash. it is a good building block sword if you will. easily modified to suit new grip, or heavier pommel or fancy quillion if you fancy flexing your smithing skills or like to tweak things to suit. plus i dont care too much if it gets the crap beaten out of it. its no huge loss.
never sparred with or practised with? yep! id be shipping that right back to Hanwei!! LOL TBH chances are he will get a new blade out of them for it. its worth the email/photos etc if nothing else.
Hopefully a helpful public service announcement.
Yeah, it's pretty well known that those swords have a weakness at that spot. The metal is sometimes thinner or not properly heat treated on the tang.
also a very sharp 90 degree inside angle where the tang meets the blade. a symptom of industrial manufacturing.
Historically tangs were also often mild steel forge welded to a higher carbon steel blade. That made the tang softer, less likely to break, and easier to peen or repeen. I don't think that is necessary with the quality of modern steel, it just needs to be heated treated and tempered differently than the rest of the blade.
That was certainly a practice, but it wasn’t as common as a single piece tang. The tang is supposed to remain unhardened to prevent this from happening.
Pls create videos with clear audio. Other than that ,nice video. Keep up
Minus the accent, it's crystal clear to me.
This was awesome, I learned a lot! I'd love to see more videos like this. :)
I couldn’t understand much of what he said but, one other reason it probably broke is because of the sharp transition from the tang to the blade, where good longswords tend to have a slight taper to them so to not take impact like that
Thank you. Prevented me from ordering one. Good looking out bro...
Well, skallagrim made a video about one of the hanwei tinker swords and it was pretty good for sparring according to the tests, so apparently not all are that weak
Skallagrim is a tool. Better take anything he presents with heaps of salt
Quality control is always spotty with Hanwei, no guarantee you’ll get a durable product
@@kuprukuula proof
@@jeremyheath9299 His channel runs with clickbait videos with the help of faithful watchers. There is no need for him to go really in depth with tests and demonstrations, like other channels do. He does a poor demonstration in bad faith and makes a bunch of conclusions from that, and I hate that the big masses take those "findings" at face value.
@@kuprukuula fair enough
Another high quality video with excellent analysis. If I were a Witcher, I would buy my swords from you.
Wow. Id be absolutely pissed. Especially for the price of those hanwei tinker.
I've had two tinkers break as a training longsword... Definitely getting a sharpened blade because I trust it to hold up to non sparring use since they're so inexpensive but I wish I did that straight off the bat
I have noticed another difference between the blunt sword and the sharp sword, the fuller on the blunted sword is wider, about as wide as the tang. I'm sure that certainly doesn't strengthen that connection point.
I quite like the hxt. I purchased one not long ago and just uploaded a cutting clip. In the future I plan to do a full review/reasonable pressure test
Świetnie wygląda ta animacja , również przyjemnie się słuchało, łapka w górę jak zawsze :D
Nice Format!
And also very informative
I've used the older version of Hanwei's Sentinel sword for cutting down an 8ft tall, 6ft diameter shrub with minimal damage. I beat the crap out of that sword and it's still going strong.
your sword is so beautiful
We see subpar heat treating in rifles too, especially U.S. made AKs. Small pieces snap off from incorrect hardening and the shooter has an out of battery failure.
Really neat video, keep it up!
Vanja! :)
I already have the Hanwei Tinker Pearce.... what do I do now? :(
Display sword, it's great. Or just for test cutting.
Plus, I've heard Hanwei improved throughout the years. You should ask some sword professionals/owners, a good place to ask is at "r/swords" on reddit. Have a great day!
That could have gone a lot worse. Glad nobody got hurt.
I have 2 Hanwei/Tinker 9th Century Viking Swords.sharp.
I once chopped a few wooden scabbards/wooden block with one sword.
The sword didn't break.
I would buy again and again.
The close up of the break shows how bad the grain structure is of the steel.
Edit: this is idicative of no, or a poor level of, normalising cycles prior to final heat treatment (which was likely bare bones).
Thanks for this video, that skallagrim dude almost convinced me to actually get one with his videos.
lamxung5000 Good thing you didn't get one! Skallagrim is not even a real swordsman..
Irrelevant jab aside, I haven’t heard anything negative in terms of handling for the price point on these, only that some of them break. Skallagrim’s didn’t, so his experience was positive. A reviewer can only review what they actually have in front of them.
It’s a good example of why one shouldn’t base one’s view of a sword on a single positive review though, because no matter how experienced, objective and honest the reviewer is they could always have received an unusually good example.
Would tempering the transitions with a blowtorch help at all?
Guess Fiore need a new and better sword
He just got one. ;)
Can't wait to see his new sword in action, I wonder who's the craftsman?
;-)
Ooh la la~
hahahaha
Great style!
Amazing video and grear explanation
hey man i wrote to academy audentia a couple of weeks ago because i wanted to try a longsword class, since ive spent 3 month now in Wrocław, as an erasmus student. I wanted to visit Kraków and i didnt want to go without trying the longsword. I sent an email to the email direction of the academy and i even searched for it in google, but i wasnt answered and i didnt find it. This last weekend ive visited Kraków and unfortunately i havent been able to go to a seminar. Ill go back to Spain tomorrow. Would have been nice meeting you too since i love your work so maybe you could provide more information for the next time i visit Poland. Id really appreciate it
Are you making a video with the Fiore guy? If so, would definitely look forward to it!
Starving Africans could have used that steel to make farming implements to grow food!
Seriously though, the wielder was literally inches away from being wounded by his shattering sword.
o kurwa, nie wiedziałem, ze jesteś polakiem xD
to wyjaśnia te wszystkei filmiki o wiedźminie
Nice video. In the club I train at we tend to keep Henwei's together with other Hanweis. Otherwise they would be up against swords that would destroy them. Any experience with the sharp versions?
wow u saved me, was just going to buy this
Hot spots from hardening that you show as bands is due to spiral coil electric induction hardening, Its quick and efficient for a factory but not craft.
I always had a feeling that sword model was garbage, i've handled one and didn't feel confident cutting wood with it. everybody tells me how well the tinker longsword handles, it feels flimsy. I didn't cut with it though.
Do you have any recommendations on where to get swords if you live in Canada? I've asked for a sword for my birthday and I'm hoping I don't get some crap that will break 2 seconds later...
That's some nice animation. Was that a Prezi presentation?
I always thought swords like hanwei tinkers were made as blunts and then sharpened if desired, not made as a sharp then dulled afterwards. I thought that was what most smiths did, an entry level 'sharp' is just a sharpened blunt.
What if you take a blowtorch to them and lower the heat treat at the handle?
So the tinker broke, damn, I thought they were so good, does some of this have to do w the square blade base, I see that the Weerks guy makes his all angles, and the gaurd comes up arou d it, he uses a tool to forge a pocket , does this help swords not break?
I think the issue with Hanwei is they are mass produced in such numbers that they can't ensure good heat treating on all the blades. I'm not making excsuses for it, but I've seen this with other Hanwei blades. I have a Hanwei practical 37 inch rapier fencing blade that I've owned for years and fenced many bouts with, some in tournaments, and aside from some dings in the parrying area, has held up fine. But I've literally seen other examples of the exact same blade break near the tip from very light use. I would almost recommend that someone who has just gotten a Hanwei fencing sword put on fencing gear and a mask and strike it against a similar fencing weapon a few times with decent strength (not too much, even "real" swords aren't indestructible). If it breaks after a very reasonable stress test, send it back.
Looked like BTS for the Fiore series at the beginning, I thought those were pretty good.
_Technically,_ a spotted blade _could_ be saved.
You could take the whole sword apart, normalize the blade (by heating the whole blade past magnetic point, then letting it buried in an isolating medium like sand or ashes for a whole day to cool _slooooowly),_ then repeating the process three or more times to ensure it is _truly_ homogeneous steel again, and _then_ re-start the whole heat treating process - this time with care. A simple procedure taking only about a week of man-hours and barely four times as much coal or gas as it was needed to heat-treat it the first time. Afterwards (and asuming the blade didn't warp itself during the heat treatment, forcing you to start anew) you would simply need to re-assemble the sword again, maybe using the oportunity to actually peening the pommel instead of screwing it.
As you can see, a _very_ simple procedure, easily within reach and means of any novice reenactor or swordman with limited skill, time and budget.
My hanwai tinker pierce (sharp ) is one of my best swords , balanced , swift, the pommel is fitted properly, the blade is beautiful and forged correctly, but I collect functional swords and obviously I can't spar with them so I wouldn't know about it's durability
Also i bought a file and saw and used that on a 7 gage peace of flat bar so no i cant forge excuse.
Better a beginners made sword than a unknown sword.
shards of hansil----->handuril
Hanwei is fine. You get what pay for - a budget piece to goof off in the back yard. You can get lemons in every company and Hanwei just has a huge production volume, which makes it more likely to be prominent. 1 out of a 100 production run breaking will get less attention than 100 out of 10'000. At the end of the day it hard to beat them for the price, which is why they are so popular.
I'll never be able to afford Albion or anything like it.
Actually I can explain that, Chinese law prohibited production of blade in massive scale without registration and civil companies to produce military use weapon, though there're blacksmiths forging swords in China, but most people just don't care about the quality, they just want to have something good looking in their house as a charm, so, hanwei simply make decorations in form of sword instead of a proper blade.
When your opponent rolls a 20 on their sunder attack.
...SECRET HANWEI TECHNIQUE!!! *throws the sword hilt at his opponent.*
Hi,
Just a quick question here, do you know how Kovex swords perform when it comes to heavy duelling?
This is a scene straight out of Paul.
I know this comment is pretty late, but I have the exact same sword and it's strange how easily yours broke. I've put it through a lot of wear, like cutting blackberry bushes, hacking off branches, and hitting wood and helmets to test the material. So far it has hardly taken any damage apart from the thin point curling, but that was an easy fix and still works fine. As many people have said, the reason yours broke is probably because the producers made a mistake while tempering, and you can tell by the high pitched sound that it was very brittle where it broke.
So sad that he's not making anything anymore and apparently a lot of people never received their swords
excellent video . how much do you charge for a messier i probably cant afford it but it dosent hurt to ask . what about darksword in Canada i have the dane two hand its a nice sword but i dont train much anymore so dont know its durability . so do you fully anneal your blade before heat treat and is the tang full taper or sharp angle transition like the tinker. i would love to forge a blade but my health is poor and i am not equipped. i am journeyman welder by trade and understand metallurgy and heat affect . so let me say you are certainly right about the harmonics and hot spot is martensite in the grain captured by quench causing a hard spot but the transition point is too sharp a angle for the thin section and a week point even if treat goes well full tang is only way to go. thank you for the video please make more
Well it's bad because it might be a bad sword but also we don't know what you did to that sword before it broke
Great Video!
Alas, all too common. I'm beginning to think that I'm the only lucky one. I've had my Tinker longsword for six years. I've used it for drills on the pell and in full speed sparring. I love everything about mine except for knowing that it will snap in half someday.
The pommel snapped off of my Tinker arming sword last year, and it did it in the hands of a five year old. The nut on the threaded tang is unique to Hanwei swords and makes the sword difficult to repair.
I recommend against them at every opportunity.
Another great video man. Learned a lot from your channel thanks! :)
This is the first time I've seen a video with the words "no views" lol xD