wishbone346 As described in another comment(s): Fenris: "Uhhm...Well, I'm a hypocrite. Fuck the police?" _Walks back to Hawke's side_. Meredith: "Who the fuck are you again?"
@Sofia Galitski, thanks for the tip. apparently im late to the party and this is my first play through and im hoping that i wont have to kill fenris. and apparently i have max friendship with him as well
I love the first bit with Fenris. Hawke just brings up the hypocrisy of what he's doing, and Fenris is like "Uhh... yeah, I'm just gonna mosey over here... uh, fuck the police?"
It's like his default anti-mage flares back up for a moment, then 'Right, I've learned a lot in the past 7 years. I'm not going to be part of the problem here.'
Equating the circles to slavery is strange they're pretty shit but absolutely necessary with how dangerous untrained mages are with nothing to guide them.
AntiXaldin I guess metaphors are wasted on some people. Anyway. She is refering to mages falling to demons as a desperate last stand when they have no other choice. Even if that means being possessed by a demon, trapped inside your own body watching, as someone else moves it. Not speaking of mages, people in power often abuse it if they are afraid.
AntiXaldin A man with a pitchfork who's afraid of a blood mage would have a greater chance to attack than the blood mage who is not afraid of a man with a pitchfork. The Chantry was created out of fear. Abominations are created out of fear. Men abuse their power out of fear. Knight Commander Meredith went nuts because of her fear of the mages. Anders killed the Grand Cleric because of his fear of the Templars.
how to convince Merrill: Merrill: I will not let you kill these mages! Hawke:You're not part of the circle. You dont need to defend them. Merrill:You're right
HulCAWmania Universe And Bethany*/Carver, *unless you count Bethany getting lucky, dying in the prologue, and leaving you to deal with your whiny younger brother yourself betrayal.
Nor does Aveline, she left her post so they wouldn't have to fight, she ended their friendship but kept her standards, how not to praise someone like that
I usually had all of the companions supporting me (I can't bear to be enemies with them lmao) and it hurt to watch this. But honestly, Aveline standing against Hawke hurt me the worst - the whole "you are nothing to me", and her effectively renouncing her position as Guard Captain was almost physically painful to watch tbh
All of the rest of them I sort of felt "meh you're a crazy possessed Mage/hateful traumatized ex slave/easily influenced blood Mage etc. I should have expected this." But Aveline practically killed me. I almost started crying when she said you are nothing to me.
Liana I've played DA2 so many times now and the only one to ever turn on me is always fenris but watching Aveline of all people stand against you is just gut wrenching. Out of all the companions except the siblings and varric shes basically been by hawks side the most. she's practically family
Yes, Aveline can become one of the loyalest companions to Hawke, to the point of overprotective, she even takes damage for you if your Friendship is high enough. I definitely would never get this ending with Aveline, she is one of my favorite companions.
Aaron Page Not exactly true. Rivalry and Friendship are not like in DAO. In both paths you bond with companion but in different direction. For these to happen special companion related events must not be triggered or completed, at least it's like that for Merrill, Fenris and Aveline. Dunno about Anders never tried it.
They don't leave with full rivalry either. That was the point of the friendship/rivalry meter, so they don't leave. Most of them only leave if you side against what they're for and if they're neither in a friendship or rivalry, or you haven't completed their personal quests.
As long as you do their companion quests, I think you can convince them to join you. I know that as long as you complete Fenris's companion quest, and aren't with 50-100% rivalry with him, you can use the slave line to him to get him onto yourside. I did that, I was almost heartbroken that I would have to kill a companion, but I was thrilled I convinced him.
With Aveline I think it really depends more on her relationship with Hawke. My Hawke sided with the mages and he never had to coax her from the Templars because she didn't side with them and fully supported him.
TobyTime aveline was neutral in my playthrough and she something song the lines of "I don't know what to make of this but I'm with you hawke." She probably turns on you if you have a rivalry with her
Camaroni1000 The first scene is if you are neutral and did not bring her in your final party, the second is if she is a Rival and you did not bring her in your party.
I think if they had no choice but to choose, Varric would side with the templars and Isabela with the mages. Varric mentions how they're "protecting" everyone when they side with the templars.
Merril uses the wisest description in the entire history of dragon age of what makes the mages dangerous "fear makes people dangerous, not magic" so sad
@@bernieclinton9572 I disagree. She knew the risks and accepted them. She is far from naive when it comes to magic and demons. You can see that during her banter with Anders. Nobody except her would have been hurt if everyone just let her do her own thing. She even asked Hawke to put her down if she gets posessed during the ritual. The Keeper spread lies so that the clan would fear her (she said that Merrill is tainted and because of that an elf ran to his death) and sacrificed herself when nobody asked her to, thus leaving the already scared clan without a leader. I believe Merrill knows what she is talking about when it comes to fear.
'I have changed my mind, human. I will stand with my friend' Fenris 'Fine. I did not ask for your help to begin with.' Next thing I know, Fenris stole my 'glory' by ending her Bet you wish you had him on your side now don't you? XD
Fenris' absolute conviction that all mages are inevitably going to end up as slavemasters just gets screwier when you remember that mages can be, and are, slaves in Tevinter as well. The only difference between Orlais and Tevinter in terms of aristocracy doing what aristocracies do is that in Orlais the slavery is an open secret, whereas in Tevinter it's a social institution.
I mean the Tevinters do justify their slavery through a belief in mage supremacy so while a mage can be a slave in Tevinter being a mage is also the only way to rise socially.
@@johnohara4788 True, but both cultures have at least their nobility mired in a power struggle in which failure can, and usually does, lead to death. That is the root of the problem with both cultures. That inherent, ever-present power struggle that one's life can literally depend upon warps them. The fact that they involve others, who are innocent- and I include the keeping of slaves in this- just makes it worse.
Templar: Guardsman! You will attack on my order! Guardsman 1: Hey remember that time we were on patrol and the Templars showed up and helped us? Guardsman 2: No? Wasn't that Hawke? Several times in fact. Guardsman 1: Yup. Cya.
I love the Kirkwall guardsmen, only ones actually doing their jobs Templars going mage slaughter happy and mages tearing apart this city as opposed to a simple room check
aperturesciencegames Exactly, they look at the mages and templars and just say eh, fuck it. If theres a crime being broken lets us know, if not to each their own.
Honestly, Aveline leaving instead of fighting Hawkw really does it for me. You can tell she really loves/respects Hawke enough to attack them. Interesting how even the characters you romance can turn on you but Aveline will refuse to turn her blade towards you
That's even worse. First of all, you have the most things in common with Aveline, no matter how you pull it. You are both from Fereldan, came at the same time as refugees to Kirkwall, lost your loved one, together you found your way in the city. No one shares that bond with you, not even Varric. Somehow, when she leaves you in your own ruin, it feels like you lost your 2nd sister due to how disappointing in you she truly is.
lines that are punches in the gut: "I loved you, once." "You will never understand what I want. " "I should have known better than to let you get so close." "You want to kill all these mages? And me along with them?" (WHO TF COULD EVER) "You are nothing to me."
Watching this hurts my soul. >.< I'm one of those people who just can't deal with companions and people hating me. I never see these bad endings cause I try my hardest to be myself in games. It kills me seeing this, but, thank you for having the guts to do it.
I used to be like this too, until I realized my characters were basically Mare Sues, everyone loved and supported them... it was boring. So now I just go like "My way or the highway!" Heh, sometimes I make playthroughs where I make all the companions either leave me or I kill em off.
Janus Caine I know what you mean! That's why I like the option of people hating you and you making people mad. I really hate Mary Sues when it comes to storytelling. In real life, I just can't stand mean people, so even when it's in a game, I go 'ugh, that person is sooo mean!' and feel threatened by em. But, I take the same route you do, too, sometimes and will just have a blast with the game. Punching Solas and using the mod to slap Morrigan is fun. =P
Jesus, a year away from fenris I thought I'd have gotten over him already. I find this video, see him again and hear his voice once more, suddenly forgotten affections spring back as if it had never laid dormant.
Pega Doodle I understand. It's the first time I ever saw those scenes, and even if my Hawke loved Fenris in-universe, it's Merrill and Aveline who break my heart here. :(
+MrsHalloweenJack Merrill is usually so delightfully naive most of the time. Seeing her like this, feeling betrayed and threatened by a friend... it's too much. It's not right...
@@Testingthisname Say what you wish about the validity of his opinions, but calling Fenris neutral is just false. He has every reason to be biased AGAINST mages. Tevinter mages led him to believe that mages are inherently corrupt and should be protected from themselves at any cost. This is the pro-templar viewpoint and not a neutral one. He's been hurt by mages and it shows. Biased doesn't necessarily mean incorrect, it just means he has a reason to be anti mage right off the bat. It's his base view. In contrast, take Varric. Of all the companions, Varric has the least reason to have an opinion about the mage/templar conflict. He's a dwarf, so he's not a mage, and he wasn't raised to fear mages like many humans were. He hasn't been treated poorly by mages. His opinion is meant to reflect Hawke's, which could go either way. Is he the most educated/experienced? No, that honor goes to Anders and Fenris for their respective viewpoints (pro and anti mage), but Varric is the only person without an inherent opinion about the mage/templar conflict. This makes him a neutral party.
@@Testingthisname that’s actually what makes Fenris the most biased. Because he has only bad experiences with mages as a slave from Tevinter, it makes him biased against mages, something we see constantly throughout the game.
I like how Fenris throughout the whole game explains the nuances between slavery and the circle to Anders, but right at the end game he switches so fast lol
They were flat, and cliched stock characters. If you can sum up their personality accurately in a few words, then they aren't good characters. Fenris: Emo mage hater Merril: Naive history buff Anders: Possessed SJW emo Carver: Douche Need I go on?
i hate the most is the bitch named Grace...who you rescue using varric's silver tongue only to betray you by kidnapping your sibling later on...and turning on you for "working with Meredith" thoough i'd still bang Merrill [just not her DA: O self]
HulCAWmania Universe Oh my god yes I hated her so much. No matter what you did she still did that. Helped her and sided with the mages the entire playthrough? Yep, she's still going to do that. I recently played an extremely pro-mage rogue and she still did that just because you HAVE to do a mission for Meredith no matter what side you're on. I'm with the mages, man. Y u gotta kidnap Bethany/Carver?-.- Idk about Merrill. She's sweet and I usually friendship her but I can't really see her as a love interest. She's like a ditzy child.
First time I played the game Fenris betrayed me. He wouldn't rejoin me and I knew I'd be forced to kill him. So I went back and redid Acts 2 & 3 over again. No regrets.
I would do the same XD I just started the game and just got fenris I was wondering how do you prevent that from happening? if it's spoilers then I don't want to know. Thanks!
Rachel EatsWaffles You need to max out your friendship/rivalry with him. A good thing to remember is that if you get the "Questioning Beliefs" for him in Act 3, then he won't betray you. That goes for all characters. As long as you get that quest from them no matter what you decide to do in the final mission they won't turn on you.
Rob Woodford yup did it all. Thats why it was surprising ;/ i have maxxed out rivalry with all my characters:") tried to be a jerk in the 6th playthrough. Ill replay my last save and play with debug panel maybe it will trigger different outcome
I just finished replaying Inquisition and Tresspasser now watching this video, it would have been interesting to see Fenris and Merril interact with Solas. Especially Fenris and Solas.
I'm watching these videos, and it's sad that the only thing I notice is the fact how hot Fenris looks in his modded outfit. I love Anders's robes as well. I think I'll use those in a fan fic. Fenris looks as if he should be some type of Feudal Lord.
I'm currently on this quest now. My Hawke is a Rogue and I chose the Mages and both Fenris and Aveline supports me since I have 100% friendship with the both of them.
I'm happy to say I've never heard those. Always max friendship with companions (except Carver, with him it's almost max friendship), don't even have to convince Fenris to join me against the mages, he just says he doesn't like it, but he's with me.
I played this game more than da1 and da3 despite the repetitious maps. I actually think that helped. Kinda became a speed run through every kinda build. Great game.
The game is way shorter - I was able to finish my evil playthrough in one sitting. DA O is long and has much more content while Inquisition is a pointless time waster.
I love the Join me option of Fenris so much! It makes sense too to appeal to Fenris from that angle and make him think from that point of view. Love his response too " I... I have changed my mind, Human! I will stand with my friend."
You can have all of them if they're max friend/rival. Only exception is Anders and Sebastian. Mutually exclusive, but if you don't have the DLC, hardly matters
Can I just point out that ALL of this would have been avoided, IF Knight-Captain Cullen told Meredith to fuck off the second she had announced the Rite of Annulment. 1) The Circle had not been overrun by Blood Mages or Demons. 2) The Circle had nothing to do with Elthina's death. 3) Anders has never been part of the Kirkwall circle.
I may be misremembering, but didn't the first thing happen BECAUSE Meredith announced the Right of Annulment? A crap ton of mages turned to blood magic or demons out of fear for their lives. For the second and third points, Anders probably would have boom-boomed the Chantry as soon as there was any kind of compromise being made. He said he did it to "destroy the illusion of compromise" between mages and the Chantry. Meredith likely would have taken that as a sign that all mages within the city should be killed, even though he was disconnected from Kirkwall's circle. She wasn't exactly in her right mind at that point anyways, red lyrium and all that. Maybe I'm misunderstanding your point? Feel free to correct me.
your Hawke is gorgeous O-.O also this is so sad! my first playthrough got me 100% friendship with EVERYONE.... i've been spoiled. now i wanna play for rivalry....
+that one girl Turns out this isn't the result of rivalry. Even in rivalry they might stand with you. But for them to abandon you and turn on you you must neglect them and not have a good relationship with them...
You also have to ignore their quests as well. In my one playthrough, I had a Rivalry with Aveline, didn't help her in Act 1 nor did I do the Guardsman Donnic and her getting together quest, but I did the Act 3 quest was an extreme bitch to her, and she resigned as Captain of the Guard. And then in the final clash, she said that I was nothing to her.
I rivalmanced him in my second and he betrayed me. I did not cry; It just pissed me off. I never liked the guy much to begin with and romanced him just to see what would happen, not because I liked the character. After that, I stopped recruiting him, even though as a fighter he is a badass. (He tanked the high dragon for me, when I was on a squishy mage and I think Merrill was my other companion. So, Fenris took the brunt of it.)
I never realized just how many scenes there are for this. Mind you, I always make the same decisions in these games…still. This is insane. When do the other betrayals happen? I’ve never had a companion turn on me like that.
Man, the confrontation with fenris is so cold and badass. Two men standing for what they believe in. Both parallel in their goals yet have come to a cross roads. Nothing can stop them from fighting for what they see as Justice.
I'm glad I never wound up on any of their bad sides... Aveline's bad ending hurt the most. :( No, seriously, I felt like somebody slapped me in the face and punched me in the gut with that one! None of the others had that kind of impact on me.
Fenris betrayed me, and it's fits so well with how I frame the events of my da2 playthrough as a tragedy. He finally won his freedom, only to squander it
Got to love the Rouges! We never really chose a side just the people on it. See Varrick and Isabella at the Chantry Incident to see what I'm talkin about.
This moment in my game came really sudden. I was finishing some companion quests, I was so in love with them all... and this just broke me. I’ve been wondering during the third act how can everything get fuked up this “quickly” (I played inquisition before starting with origins and 2) and then... treason, war, lies, unfinished romance, fighting against friends... it really got me.
Oh my gosh. I've tried playing through and having the majority of the companions in rivalry, but watching them turn on Hawke at the end is painful. I love all of these characters, and my first playthrough Fenris left. But to see Merrill and then Aveline of all people abandon you to fight for what they believe, it's agonizing. I don't think I'll ever have the guts to try this myself
this was interesting to see ,but however went with hawke this way didnt understood a thing about this game . its just sad, innacurate and sensless, and just stupid . hawke should be surrounded by his merry band of misfits like he sympathicaly says. honestly,in my first playthrough ,after i had to only battle fenris ,i decided to try to keep him on my good side despite my helping all the mages through the game. and it was worth it . Because when fenris change his mind and sides with you for the mages,its a big step for him toward forgivness and tolerance .
annissarh you are totally wrong, having some or even just one of them turning against you is more believable than everyone supports you even when I dont believe in your choice.
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"I... Uh... I have changed my mind, human." The way Fenris realizes he's a hypocrite and switches sides so easily makes me laugh every time. lol XD
wishbone346 lol I seem to always get that ending for some reason and every time I laugh my ass off😂😂😂
wishbone346 As described in another comment(s):
Fenris: "Uhhm...Well, I'm a hypocrite. Fuck the police?" _Walks back to Hawke's side_.
Meredith: "Who the fuck are you again?"
wishbone346 that actually happened to me. Me and fenris were kinda rivals and when thAt happened i was like, "what?"
Lmao the knight commander even said, “I did not ask for YOUR assistance”
That happened my first playthrough and it was hilarious right after I said "That's right, join the Jedi."
I fucking died the way Fenris was like "Shit. Right. That's a thing I spent the whole fucking game preaching. Damn you continuity. *Rejoins Hawke*"
+lyingbears lol
AHAHAHAH
WOW, that got me good.
Honey Tea omg I know right!
"Sorry, wow, lost all my established character interactions for a second there. Bye human, I will stand with my friend"
Fenris in my game was just like "I don't get why you're siding with them but it's cool. I gotchu."
+DanieBritsRainCloud Same. I love how he's like "I never thought I'd be fighting for mages."
+Bulbasaur777 Then he kissed me.
Zaynab Hussain
Hah saMe
I believe you need to max out his friendship/rivalry for that. And same with the other characters when you side with the side they're opposing.
@Sofia Galitski, thanks for the tip. apparently im late to the party and this is my first play through and im hoping that i wont have to kill fenris. and apparently i have max friendship with him as well
I love the first bit with Fenris. Hawke just brings up the hypocrisy of what he's doing, and Fenris is like "Uhh... yeah, I'm just gonna mosey over here... uh, fuck the police?"
GoneRampant And Meredith's like. "Who the fuck are you again?"
Aya Drevis omg i'm dying this is so accurate
It's like his default anti-mage flares back up for a moment, then 'Right, I've learned a lot in the past 7 years. I'm not going to be part of the problem here.'
Equating the circles to slavery is strange they're pretty shit but absolutely necessary with how dangerous untrained mages are with nothing to guide them.
@@imotekh6110 imprisoning children and abusing innocent people over something they have no control of is not the only solution, nor is it necessary.
"Guardsman you will attack on my order"
"uhhh no thanks we want to live"
That was showing how great respect they have for their (former) captain
@@jkgf4671 She's not necessarily leaving her post, just refusing to fight for Hawke or the Templars. She goes back to the city to restore order there.
And the guard serves the city not the blood crazed templar's
"Fear makes men more dangerous than magic ever could." Great line. Merril just earned some cool points.
AntiXaldin I guess metaphors are wasted on some people.
Anyway. She is refering to mages falling to demons as a desperate last stand when they have no other choice. Even if that means being possessed by a demon, trapped inside your own body watching, as someone else moves it. Not speaking of mages, people in power often abuse it if they are afraid.
AntiXaldin A man with a pitchfork who's afraid of a blood mage would have a greater chance to attack than the blood mage who is not afraid of a man with a pitchfork. The Chantry was created out of fear. Abominations are created out of fear. Men abuse their power out of fear. Knight Commander Meredith went nuts because of her fear of the mages. Anders killed the Grand Cleric because of his fear of the Templars.
StoryGamer It's just seems like an endless cycle doesn't it?
StoryGamer the chantry created the rite of tranquility out of fear...it's all stuff we can guess for ourselves
Isn't that just the theme of just...ALL of Dragon Age 2.
i nearly crapped it when Anders blew up the place. And this is why you don't take away someones cat.
Halsey Vi ikr
Cat people🙄😅🤣
I was so not expecting that here's what I did when I saw it and found out it was anders
Justice for Ser Pounce-a-lot! Seriously, I would have blown up the Templars...if not for Cullen. ;)
Poor Ser-Pouncealot.
how to convince Merrill:
Merrill: I will not let you kill these mages!
Hawke:You're not part of the circle. You dont need to defend them.
Merrill:You're right
Fenris: I will stop you Hawke!
Hawke: Hypocrite
Fenris: um.......I changed my mind.
He is right tho lol
That made me chuckle so much. So ridiculous isn't it 😅
the only one who never betrays hawke...Varric
HulCAWmania Universe And Bethany*/Carver,
*unless you count Bethany getting lucky, dying in the prologue, and leaving you to deal with your whiny younger brother yourself betrayal.
Nah. That man is loyal as hell
Varric is to Hawke as Garrus is to Shepard.
Varric cried for hawke's death.
Dragon Age Inquisition
Nor does Aveline, she left her post so they wouldn't have to fight, she ended their friendship but kept her standards, how not to praise someone like that
I usually had all of the companions supporting me (I can't bear to be enemies with them lmao) and it hurt to watch this. But honestly, Aveline standing against Hawke hurt me the worst - the whole "you are nothing to me", and her effectively renouncing her position as Guard Captain was almost physically painful to watch tbh
All of the rest of them I sort of felt "meh you're a crazy possessed Mage/hateful traumatized ex slave/easily influenced blood Mage etc. I should have expected this." But Aveline practically killed me. I almost started crying when she said you are nothing to me.
Liana I've played DA2 so many times now and the only one to ever turn on me is always fenris but watching Aveline of all people stand against you is just gut wrenching. Out of all the companions except the siblings and varric shes basically been by hawks side the most. she's practically family
Yes, Aveline can become one of the loyalest companions to Hawke, to the point of overprotective, she even takes damage for you if your Friendship is high enough. I definitely would never get this ending with Aveline, she is one of my favorite companions.
that hurts more than the other last straws
I have beaten DA2 more than 10 times and these scenes are completely new to me. I never had a companion turn against me at end game.
yeah wtf is this???????
Alex Carter for this to happen the companion in question must really hate you or not have enough friendship points
Aaron Page
Not exactly true. Rivalry and Friendship are not like in DAO. In both paths you bond with companion but in different direction. For these to happen special companion related events must not be triggered or completed, at least it's like that for Merrill, Fenris and Aveline. Dunno about Anders never tried it.
Malboras112 if you're referring to Mr mages must be free, he never came with me to help the templars and I was at max friendship
Aaron Page Anders will only help you against the Mages if you are at max Rivalry, I think.
And this is literally why I have everyone on full friendship. I just can't deal with this
They don't leave with full rivalry either. That was the point of the friendship/rivalry meter, so they don't leave. Most of them only leave if you side against what they're for and if they're neither in a friendship or rivalry, or you haven't completed their personal quests.
As long as you do their companion quests, I think you can convince them to join you.
I know that as long as you complete Fenris's companion quest, and aren't with 50-100% rivalry with him, you can use the slave line to him to get him onto yourside. I did that, I was almost heartbroken that I would have to kill a companion, but I was thrilled I convinced him.
Brianna Alosi i have Fenris in full rivalry but he didnt betrayed me when i helped the mages
(plus im a mage)
Brianna Alosi i dont know how to make companions go against you like in this video
@@TheHanzzou just don't speak to them or never do their quest.
Surprise. Both Warriors are for the Templars and both Mages are for.....Mages. While both Rogues don't give a shit.
Isabela leans more towards Mages, though.
With Aveline I think it really depends more on her relationship with Hawke. My Hawke sided with the mages and he never had to coax her from the Templars because she didn't side with them and fully supported him.
TobyTime aveline was neutral in my playthrough and she something song the lines of "I don't know what to make of this but I'm with you hawke." She probably turns on you if you have a rivalry with her
Camaroni1000 The first scene is if you are neutral and did not bring her in your final party, the second is if she is a Rival and you did not bring her in your party.
I think if they had no choice but to choose, Varric would side with the templars and Isabela with the mages.
Varric mentions how they're "protecting" everyone when they side with the templars.
I love the reaction when you convince fenris to join you. Just completely speechless.
Damn I've never been on Avelines bad side but having her call you nothing...that shit hurt :(
the only one I had trouble with was Carver, but really...it's Carver. who got on his good side had to be very dedicated to his brand of douche
I know in my play though she made her husband back me up. smh
I know, she and Varric are my BFF's.
@@aaron75fy at least if he's a warden he's better
Blake chandler Warden Carver has the best character arc in the game, the most growth. He even admits how much of a jerk he was in the DLCs lol.
Merril uses the wisest description in the entire history of dragon age of what makes the mages dangerous
"fear makes people dangerous, not magic"
so sad
wolfie metslagroom Same is true in real life, just replace magic with guns/bombs/etc...
+wolfie metslagroom yeah, the fear makes people dangerous; and the Sun turns around the Earth.
@@yyxx1972 Demons control you when you're afriad in this game. When fear gets to people that's how they become possessed.
Well maybe Merril should’ve been more afraid of blood magic and her whole tribe wouldn’t have been killed by her own stupidity
@@bernieclinton9572 I disagree. She knew the risks and accepted them. She is far from naive when it comes to magic and demons. You can see that during her banter with Anders. Nobody except her would have been hurt if everyone just let her do her own thing. She even asked Hawke to put her down if she gets posessed during the ritual. The Keeper spread lies so that the clan would fear her (she said that Merrill is tainted and because of that an elf ran to his death) and sacrificed herself when nobody asked her to, thus leaving the already scared clan without a leader. I believe Merrill knows what she is talking about when it comes to fear.
The music from when Wesley dies plays again when Aveline stands against you. That feels really telling, and is really devastating.
I could never do that to Aveline...She's like the older, stronger and more masculine sister I never knew I wanted.
she's the romance option i could never until inquisition that is
“This is my friend. He is my people.”
Guhhh, right in the heart.
'I have changed my mind, human. I will stand with my friend' Fenris
'Fine. I did not ask for your help to begin with.'
Next thing I know, Fenris stole my 'glory' by ending her
Bet you wish you had him on your side now don't you? XD
Fenris' absolute conviction that all mages are inevitably going to end up as slavemasters just gets screwier when you remember that mages can be, and are, slaves in Tevinter as well. The only difference between Orlais and Tevinter in terms of aristocracy doing what aristocracies do is that in Orlais the slavery is an open secret, whereas in Tevinter it's a social institution.
I mean the Tevinters do justify their slavery through a belief in mage supremacy so while a mage can be a slave in Tevinter being a mage is also the only way to rise socially.
@@johnohara4788 True, but both cultures have at least their nobility mired in a power struggle in which failure can, and usually does, lead to death. That is the root of the problem with both cultures. That inherent, ever-present power struggle that one's life can literally depend upon warps them. The fact that they involve others, who are innocent- and I include the keeping of slaves in this- just makes it worse.
Yeah,. mages are slaves... to more powerful mages. EVIL.
Templar: Guardsman! You will attack on my order!
Guardsman 1: Hey remember that time we were on patrol and the Templars showed up and helped us?
Guardsman 2: No? Wasn't that Hawke? Several times in fact.
Guardsman 1: Yup. Cya.
"I thought freedom from slavery meant something to you" "Welp, you got me there!!" This scene will never fail to make me laugh
So many scenes I'll probably never seen in game. I wouldn't be able to. Especially Aveline, I can't imagine ever pissing her off that much.
I love the Kirkwall guardsmen, only ones actually doing their jobs
Templars going mage slaughter happy
and mages tearing apart this city as opposed to a simple room check
aperturesciencegames Always had respect for them guardsman.
Chris Mahoney great armour
most of them doing their jobs
neutral in Mage-Templar Bullshit
Whats not to like?
aperturesciencegames Exactly, they look at the mages and templars and just say eh, fuck it. If theres a crime being broken lets us know, if not to each their own.
aperturesciencegames annullment is not a room check...
Raksha Daemon I know it isn't
I was suggesting a room check instead of annulment ya dummy
Honestly, Aveline leaving instead of fighting Hawkw really does it for me. You can tell she really loves/respects Hawke enough to attack them. Interesting how even the characters you romance can turn on you but Aveline will refuse to turn her blade towards you
That's even worse. First of all, you have the most things in common with Aveline, no matter how you pull it. You are both from Fereldan, came at the same time as refugees to Kirkwall, lost your loved one, together you found your way in the city. No one shares that bond with you, not even Varric. Somehow, when she leaves you in your own ruin, it feels like you lost your 2nd sister due to how disappointing in you she truly is.
lines that are punches in the gut:
"I loved you, once."
"You will never understand what I want. "
"I should have known better than to let you get so close."
"You want to kill all these mages? And me along with them?" (WHO TF COULD EVER)
"You are nothing to me."
Watching this hurts my soul. >.< I'm one of those people who just can't deal with companions and people hating me. I never see these bad endings cause I try my hardest to be myself in games. It kills me seeing this, but, thank you for having the guts to do it.
Same here man, same here.
+Liz ard I would get patches for BG2 to make sure my companions did not kill each other.
nitehawk86 Hahaha same here! =P
I used to be like this too, until I realized my characters were basically Mare Sues, everyone loved and supported them... it was boring. So now I just go like "My way or the highway!"
Heh, sometimes I make playthroughs where I make all the companions either leave me or I kill em off.
Janus Caine I know what you mean! That's why I like the option of people hating you and you making people mad. I really hate Mary Sues when it comes to storytelling. In real life, I just can't stand mean people, so even when it's in a game, I go 'ugh, that person is sooo mean!' and feel threatened by em. But, I take the same route you do, too, sometimes and will just have a blast with the game. Punching Solas and using the mod to slap Morrigan is fun. =P
"Fear makes men more dangerous than magic ever could." Well said Merrill, well said.
Jesus, a year away from fenris I thought I'd have gotten over him already. I find this video, see him again and hear his voice once more, suddenly forgotten affections spring back as if it had never laid dormant.
That outfit on Fenris is awesome.
For real. Where did you get it??? I feel like there were so many companion outfits that I must've missed!
@@surrealfeline probably a mod idk
Guys....it's spelled Rogue. Rouge is a color! XD
***** I know right!? XD
One of these days I'm going to start keeping count of how many times I see that misspell. I think it got started in WoW honestly lol.
craycejedi I totally agree!
How about a rogue wearing rouge?That will really mess with people.
For some reason, I have no problem letting down everyone except for Merrill. When she turns those sad green eyes on me... :(
Pega Doodle I understand. It's the first time I ever saw those scenes, and even if my Hawke loved Fenris in-universe, it's Merrill and Aveline who break my heart here. :(
+MrsHalloweenJack Merrill is usually so delightfully naive most of the time. Seeing her like this, feeling betrayed and threatened by a friend... it's too much. It's not right...
watchs Merill and Hawke talk. sees Anders beside a templar. HOLY SHIT!
LOL. Smooth move there , Fenris 1:32
varrric is the neutral/indifferent option. He doesn't have a personal stake and represents the "neutral" view point.
@@Testingthisname Say what you wish about the validity of his opinions, but calling Fenris neutral is just false. He has every reason to be biased AGAINST mages. Tevinter mages led him to believe that mages are inherently corrupt and should be protected from themselves at any cost. This is the pro-templar viewpoint and not a neutral one. He's been hurt by mages and it shows. Biased doesn't necessarily mean incorrect, it just means he has a reason to be anti mage right off the bat. It's his base view.
In contrast, take Varric. Of all the companions, Varric has the least reason to have an opinion about the mage/templar conflict. He's a dwarf, so he's not a mage, and he wasn't raised to fear mages like many humans were. He hasn't been treated poorly by mages. His opinion is meant to reflect Hawke's, which could go either way. Is he the most educated/experienced? No, that honor goes to Anders and Fenris for their respective viewpoints (pro and anti mage), but Varric is the only person without an inherent opinion about the mage/templar conflict. This makes him a neutral party.
@@Testingthisname that’s actually what makes Fenris the most biased. Because he has only bad experiences with mages as a slave from Tevinter, it makes him biased against mages, something we see constantly throughout the game.
"MY WAY OR THE HIGHWAY M8S"
I like how Fenris throughout the whole game explains the nuances between slavery and the circle to Anders, but right at the end game he switches so fast lol
Grammar Nazi sheds a tear every time someone misspells rogue.
Does that mean we should misspell it more? They are Nazis.
That's a very strange way to spell *rouge*.
After seeing this, how could anyone say the companions were boring? They seemed more thoughtfully written than some in Origins.
Like Leliana, or Alistair. As much as I like them, they were not as well written as most claim.
ya but this scene is very hidden
you´re right, the only big problem with DA2 was the lack of social interaction, just that made DA2 look like shit compared to DAO
They were flat, and cliched stock characters. If you can sum up their personality accurately in a few words, then they aren't good characters.
Fenris: Emo mage hater
Merril: Naive history buff
Anders: Possessed SJW emo
Carver: Douche
Need I go on?
Rathorage
Not in the creation of a character. Personalities are complex things.
Damn... Aveline saying "Live as you choose" hit me hard.
hoow it ends up in mine
joins mages...
Aveline: i see what you're trying to do...and i'm with you...
Fenris: i...i will join my friend
i hate the most is the bitch named Grace...who you rescue using varric's silver tongue only to betray you by kidnapping your sibling later on...and turning on you for "working with Meredith"
thoough i'd still bang Merrill [just not her DA: O self]
HulCAWmania Universe Oh my god yes I hated her so much. No matter what you did she still did that. Helped her and sided with the mages the entire playthrough? Yep, she's still going to do that. I recently played an extremely pro-mage rogue and she still did that just because you HAVE to do a mission for Meredith no matter what side you're on.
I'm with the mages, man. Y u gotta kidnap Bethany/Carver?-.-
Idk about Merrill. She's sweet and I usually friendship her but I can't really see her as a love interest. She's like a ditzy child.
usually i'd played a female hawke...and ended up with anders...goddamn him...he started the war...
*fenris makes me cry*
First time I played the game Fenris betrayed me. He wouldn't rejoin me and I knew I'd be forced to kill him. So I went back and redid Acts 2 & 3 over again.
No regrets.
same
I would do the same XD I just started the game and just got fenris I was wondering how do you prevent that from happening? if it's spoilers then I don't want to know. Thanks!
he just betrayed me after romance :( /cry
Rachel EatsWaffles You need to max out your friendship/rivalry with him. A good thing to remember is that if you get the "Questioning Beliefs" for him in Act 3, then he won't betray you. That goes for all characters. As long as you get that quest from them no matter what you decide to do in the final mission they won't turn on you.
Rob Woodford yup did it all. Thats why it was surprising ;/ i have maxxed out rivalry with all my characters:") tried to be a jerk in the 6th playthrough. Ill replay my last save and play with debug panel maybe it will trigger different outcome
Me: [Points out how the circle is like enslaving mages and slavery is wrong]
Fenris: Oh shit... you're right... Team Hawke ftw!
I just finished replaying Inquisition and Tresspasser now watching this video, it would have been interesting to see Fenris and Merril interact with Solas. Especially Fenris and Solas.
Something just different when Merrill says “we were never friends”
Oof...
I'm watching these videos, and it's sad that the only thing I notice is the fact how hot Fenris looks in his modded outfit. I love Anders's robes as well. I think I'll use those in a fan fic. Fenris looks as if he should be some type of Feudal Lord.
Nia Bothwell honestly you're a mood 😂
i have changed my mind human i will stand with my friend haha lmao that was fast af
Great line by Merrill. And the fact I never heard this before is one reason I love these games.
This shit broke me. This shit right here. **clutches heart**
1:24 rolling a Nat 20 persuasion be like
I'm currently on this quest now. My Hawke is a Rogue and I chose the Mages and both Fenris and Aveline supports me since I have 100% friendship with the both of them.
I'm happy to say I've never heard those. Always max friendship with companions (except Carver, with him it's almost max friendship), don't even have to convince Fenris to join me against the mages, he just says he doesn't like it, but he's with me.
Great video, very well made. Thanks for showing us all this impressive scenes.
HOLY SHIT AVELINE AND HER GUARDS WALKING OFF AFTER COMPLETELY DISOWNING HAWKE
Aveline walking away as she did, man...
Ha Merrilm "He is my people now" God I like that Elf :P
"I have changed my mind. I stand by my friend, human."
"who the fuck are you"
I played this game more than da1 and da3 despite the repetitious maps. I actually think that helped. Kinda became a speed run through every kinda build. Great game.
The game is way shorter - I was able to finish my evil playthrough in one sitting. DA O is long and has much more content while Inquisition is a pointless time waster.
Merill is one of my favorite characters in the series. Seing it end like this breaks my fucking heart.
Seeing fenris in the wrong side made me scream like "FENRIS!! WHY?!"
Love the last one guardsmen are like uh... nope
This...this hurts to watch so much.
I... uh...
Gideon Emery nailed that line xD
I love the Join me option of Fenris so much! It makes sense too to appeal to Fenris from that angle and make him think from that point of view.
Love his response too " I... I have changed my mind, Human! I will stand with my friend."
5:40 does guards are the smartest guards in the whole series.
5:00 The song that plays when Wesley dies plays here... That's friggin heartbreaking.
I would never want my companions to go against me D:
You can have all of them if they're max friend/rival. Only exception is Anders and Sebastian. Mutually exclusive, but if you don't have the DLC, hardly matters
I'm glad I never had to see tht scene with Avaline in my playthroughs. Would probably leave me in pieces.
Can I just point out that ALL of this would have been avoided, IF Knight-Captain Cullen told Meredith to fuck off the second she had announced the Rite of Annulment.
1) The Circle had not been overrun by Blood Mages or Demons.
2) The Circle had nothing to do with Elthina's death.
3) Anders has never been part of the Kirkwall circle.
I may be misremembering, but didn't the first thing happen BECAUSE Meredith announced the Right of Annulment? A crap ton of mages turned to blood magic or demons out of fear for their lives.
For the second and third points, Anders probably would have boom-boomed the Chantry as soon as there was any kind of compromise being made. He said he did it to "destroy the illusion of compromise" between mages and the Chantry. Meredith likely would have taken that as a sign that all mages within the city should be killed, even though he was disconnected from Kirkwall's circle. She wasn't exactly in her right mind at that point anyways, red lyrium and all that.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding your point? Feel free to correct me.
5:21 that....that hurts
Glad nothing like that happened in my playthrough expect fenris saying wait a second and then coming back
I havent seen these but aveline broke my heart out of all of them... I wasnt even super close to her....but damn make me feel bad
I always really liked Aveline. I wanted to romance her. So, seeing that one was like "Oh... shit..."
Merrill's broke me, too. I love Merrill.
"you made it necessary"
HOW
and that's why rouge's are the best, the entire party is like this
warriors: FUCK MAGIC!!
mages: FUCK THE CIRCLE!, FUCK THE INJSTICE!
rouges: popcorn?
your Hawke is gorgeous O-.O
also this is so sad! my first playthrough got me 100% friendship with EVERYONE.... i've been spoiled. now i wanna play for rivalry....
+that one girl Turns out this isn't the result of rivalry. Even in rivalry they might stand with you. But for them to abandon you and turn on you you must neglect them and not have a good relationship with them...
༼ つ◕ω◕ ༽つ Wise Doge
it's neither rivalry or friendship to be precise. it's the result of not maxing either of these out.
You also have to ignore their quests as well. In my one playthrough, I had a Rivalry with Aveline, didn't help her in Act 1 nor did I do the Guardsman Donnic and her getting together quest, but I did the Act 3 quest was an extreme bitch to her, and she resigned as Captain of the Guard. And then in the final clash, she said that I was nothing to her.
that one girl dude same. Never had any issues with Hawkes companions leaving me.
Fenris died in my second playthrough and I legit cried.
I rivalmanced him in my second and he betrayed me. I did not cry; It just pissed me off. I never liked the guy much to begin with and romanced him just to see what would happen, not because I liked the character. After that, I stopped recruiting him, even though as a fighter he is a badass. (He tanked the high dragon for me, when I was on a squishy mage and I think Merrill was my other companion. So, Fenris took the brunt of it.)
I never realized just how many scenes there are for this. Mind you, I always make the same decisions in these games…still. This is insane. When do the other betrayals happen? I’ve never had a companion turn on me like that.
God I am thankful I never had these options. Horrible.
Man, the confrontation with fenris is so cold and badass. Two men standing for what they believe in. Both parallel in their goals yet have come to a cross roads. Nothing can stop them from fighting for what they see as Justice.
this games choices would consume my life lol. ill just watch the vids :P
I'm glad I never wound up on any of their bad sides...
Aveline's bad ending hurt the most. :(
No, seriously, I felt like somebody slapped me in the face and punched me in the gut with that one!
None of the others had that kind of impact on me.
This just hurts my poor heart
Lol. Thank you, I love this
Merrill and Aveline's were actually pretty sad to watch. Anders and Fenris or whatever his name is was...muh. Never really liked those two anyway.
Fenris betrayed me, and it's fits so well with how I frame the events of my da2 playthrough as a tragedy. He finally won his freedom, only to squander it
wow, this scene with Aveline was so good. I've never seen it in all of my playthroughs
I was able to keep everyone happy and on my side luckily.
Love how they wear dark badass characters
Got to love the Rouges! We never really chose a side just the people on it. See Varrick and Isabella at the Chantry Incident to see what I'm talkin about.
wtf.... I have completed (with all side quests, hidden quests, etc.) the game many times, but I've never seen any of these dialogs :D
Hi ! I know I'm late ..' but could you please drop the mods you used for your companions' outfit pls ?
Strangely enough, Aveline's confrontation made me a bit sad. When she says that Hawke is nothing to her and just walks away.
This moment in my game came really sudden. I was finishing some companion quests, I was so in love with them all... and this just broke me. I’ve been wondering during the third act how can everything get fuked up this “quickly” (I played inquisition before starting with origins and 2) and then... treason, war, lies, unfinished romance, fighting against friends... it really got me.
Man, you must have beaten the game a lot of times to get all these outcomes. Just waiting for Inquisition now I guess, it looks so awesome
Oh my gosh. I've tried playing through and having the majority of the companions in rivalry, but watching them turn on Hawke at the end is painful. I love all of these characters, and my first playthrough Fenris left. But to see Merrill and then Aveline of all people abandon you to fight for what they believe, it's agonizing. I don't think I'll ever have the guts to try this myself
haahhah 5:20 hawkes face is like u wot m8?
:") im here again
Don’t get me wrong, I love Fenris, but he pisses me off. Trauma doesn’t mean you get to be a Dick :)
this was interesting to see ,but however went with hawke this way didnt understood a thing about this game . its just sad, innacurate and sensless, and just stupid .
hawke should be surrounded by his merry band of misfits like he sympathicaly says.
honestly,in my first playthrough ,after i had to only battle fenris ,i decided to try to keep him on my good side despite my helping all the mages through the game. and it was worth it . Because when fenris change his mind and sides with you for the mages,its a big step for him toward forgivness and tolerance .
Me too I've always loved the happier ending the best with everyone at my side ready to fight the Templars
They did this on purpose for the video.
annissarh you are totally wrong, having some or even just one of them turning against you is more believable than everyone supports you even when I dont believe in your choice.