How to Make Round Frames
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- Опубліковано 12 вер 2024
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Another great dinner learning from Tom, Thank You. If you live in the boonies, I’m must be at a business Mecca at the Middle of the Pacific, no traffic lights, more dirt roads that paved roads. Building our home.
Thanks Bill, sounds like you are building in a place not too unlike Canterbury. We are on a paved road but most in town are maintained dirt roads and no traffic lights. I often amuse myself to think of the Johnny Carson show beginning “from beautiful downtown Burbank”…which I’ve always imagined was not much to look at. Wherever you are, thanks for watching and being with us. And all the best to you and your new home build! 👍😎
I recently stumbled onto these episodes, and am blown away by their content. Truly a goldmine of knowledge and information. I have watched Classic Woodworking, and am sorry I didn't discover Epic Woodworking until recently. This episode in particular came at the perfect time. My wife wants me to build a frame border for glass art, which needs to fit inside an octagon window. The design at the end of this episode is exactly what I am looking for, octagon with round center. Unfortunately I do not own a Domino, so I am looking forward to Tom's other joining method in the next episode.👍
Thanks Tom, I’m glad you finally found me! 😎
I will be continuing on the topic tonight on the livestream, but the method it is for making a round frame inside and out, not octagonal on the outside. For what you are doing I think the best way I’ve used is the method I mentioned using a wing cutter and biscuits with a router or router table instead of the Domino. Here’s the link to something like what I’m referring to: amzn.to/3rFza4d
With a wing cutter like this (you can choose the size that works best for you) you create the slots and make your own homemade spline or biscuit. It works great and lots cheaper than a Domino!
Thanks for watching and being with us! 👍
@@EpicWoodworking Excellent tip, thank you! I have a biscuit joiner, but was never fond of the sloppyness in the biscuits. I was thinking of a doweling jig, but I like your wing cutter suggestion. 😉 I suppose I could also use a 1/4 diameter bit, and plunge route a slot.
Wish I could watch live every Thursday night but it's hard as the show runs past my bedtime. So I watch every Friday morning and always learn something. Thanks so much!
Thanks Mike, I’m beginning to think it’s running past my bedtime too! We would move it earlier than 8 PM, but discovered there were west coasters interested in the live too. Anyway, thanks for watching whenever you can, it’s our pleasure to share in this way. 👍😎
Back in the late 70s & early 80s I worked for a framing contractor in Northern California building track homes. During that time round and half round windows were popular. I did siding and exterior trim. I had a side job building the 2x4 trim for them in my garage. I used a similar method but since they were 2” thick I laminated two layers of 1x material. I used an exterior urethane glue and galvanize 3D nail on the inside face. The joints between plys were offset so no end joinery was required. I had a jig setup on my bandsaw to cut the inside and outside radius. The laminated method made it sturdier than if I tried to use 2x and end joinery since they were three to six feet in diameter.
Thanks Mike! You read my mind. I had actually prepared the same stock I was using in the video at half the thickness and was planning to show simply doing a quick butt joint rub fit to make two quick octagons and then stack and offset to laminate them together…almost identical to your method. But I realized I couldn’t get it all in so I was holding it if next time, but there is one more single layer end joinery method I want to get to, so this might stretch to three weeks!
I’m envisioning you building those frames out of beautiful northwest cedar or redwood. I bet things were a lot different in Northern California back then, I’m probably close to the same age as you, I was in Lowell and Boston Massachusetts installing modular office furniture. Thanks for watching and being with us! 👍😎
@@EpicWoodworking yes they were made from redwood. BTW I am very familiar with Lowell and Boston as I grew up in Watertown. My dad had a cabinet shop in Waltham, Middlesex Millworker. I started sweeping his floor when I was twelve, worked there every Saturday and full time during the summer until I went into the navy in 1973. That’s how I ended up in the Bay Area. Unfortunately my dad lost the business in the mid 70s due to economic down turn. You’re right, Northern California was a lot different back then. Love your channel, keep up the good work.
Sorry I couldn’t watch live tonight; will throw it up on the big screen tomorrow in the shop. Wishing Godspeed to you and yours.
Thanks Shannon, no worries, watch at your convenience and pleasure 😎 God bless you too 👍
Missed the live show but excellent presentation as always - thank you both!
Thanks Mark, glad you enjoyed it! No matter when, thanks for watching and being with! 👍😎
Thank you for this! I am building my wife a two tier lazy susan and these techniques will really help.
That’s awesome Rich, I’m glad you enjoyed it and found it useful to apply in other ways. Thanks for watching! 👍😎
Couldn't catch your great show live today. A way of fully aligning the grain is to book match (resaw in half) one piece of timber, number down one length 1 to 4 and then come back the other way on the other piece numbering 5 to 8. 1 and 8, and 5 and 4 will match and so must the rest. I'm sure you know this but just thought i'd throw it out there. Again, thanks for a most informative show.
Thanks Danny, that’s a great option I had not considered, when you have the stock thickness available to resaw the material. I appreciate it, and if I ever use it I’ll be sure to pretend how clever I was to think of it myself…just kidding, I will try to remember to thank you! A great reminder how much better we all are by being generous with ideas and gifts that have been given to us. Thanks for watching and being with us! 👍😎
Watching this on UA-cam after the live stream. Your spectacle idea is a good one. The nose bridge can be designed to be a shelf along with smaller side ones where the arms attach. I can see it n my mind. A little abstract and it could be awesome. We’ll unique anyway😁
Thanks Dave! I had a scaled drawing that I made at the time of designing it that I hope to show next time. I was going for close to accurate proportions, like the old giant glasses only nicely made with real wood. Now that I think of it your little shelf idea could be a good accessory…or maybe I should wrap some tape around the center bridge to depict the nerd I am. Thanks for watching and being with us! 👍😎
Thanks again for another great video!
My pleasure, thanks! 👍
A compass and triangle and square -- OH MY!
This video, interesting in its own way, is additionally interesting because I just finished making a "wedgie" sled to cut segmented bowl parts for woodturning. I went through steps similar to those you took to make the guide blocks and stop for the sled. The difference is that I built a sled dedicated to a single purpose of cutting segments at a variety of angles. The important part is making sure the template guides are 'dead nuts' on. Finicky.
P.S. With respect to a question you were asked about determining the circumference of the circles and then dividing by 8 --
It is certainly mathematically possible to do this, but the question is whether it will yield a practically useful and accurate result with real pieces of wood. Such a calculation, indeed, will allow one to derive the lengths of 8 equal chords of a circle, but knowing this length does not necessarily translate into a practically accurate layout. For example, setting dividers to this chord length and 'walking' them around the circle typically will not result in 8 equal sides -- accumulated errors build up with each 'step' of the dividers and the last chord will be unequal ( even if only slightly) to the other 7 chords.' Laying out the segments as you have done eliminates such accumulated errors. (Though your method may not be entirely free of measurement error, because no method is, it will tend to avoid a steady accumulation of errors in the same direction.)
Your method is more than a matter of personal preference, in my estimation. It also is the most straightforward and most accurate way to determine a set of equal segments for the purpose of creating a segmented circular wooden form in the wood shop.
Almost always, when it comes to design and layout, geometry trumps math in the wood shop -- at least in non-CNC applications. 👍
BTW: Though I cannot justify buying one for what is now only a hobby, I think the Festool Domino tool is amazing. Great gear!
Thanks, guys, for another terrific video!
Thanks Jerry! Yes, I did think about that geometry puzzle a bit more after he fact. Sometimes I’m not sure if I am understanding the question as it was intended. My first thought was he was saying just calculate the circumference and divide by eight. But that wouldn’t, as you said, give you exactly what you want for the length of the segments needed….which are straight and therefore longer from point to point. Oh well, I think by going through the visual process of drawing it has lots of value in general because you really get to see ahead where you are going, in pencil before you cut any wood, and that often reveals things I might not have considered otherwise.
Sounds like you’ve got it figured out and fine tuned by the description of your jigs!
Thanks for watching and always being with us! 👍😎
Being so much drier than most woods it probably would glue up better but who knows when getting into the chemistry of the materials etc. just a hunch.
Yes, it seems to take the glue quite well 👍
Hi Tom Just watched your great demo. Just a question with the glueing. As you stated the pieces are end grain and also exceptional dry being roasted ash so would you paint the ends with glue and let dry to seal before doing the main glue up?
Kerry Snell, Auckland, New Zealand
Hi Kerry, that might do something to help but I’m not sure it would be worth the extra time involved. What I discovered the next day while gluing up three frames, is a healthy amount of glue on both surfaces worked well, and by the time you’ve gone around and painted some glue on all 16 ends, you’ve got a good adequate, beginning to gel, layer on there which gives you a reassuring line of squeeze out. I will be shaping and rounding them here and there this week in prep for this Thursday when I will show you the results and let you know what I think of the bond adequacy. Hope you can join us then or whenever. Thanks for watching! 👍😎
I was wondering if anyone ever uses some sort of “rubber band” for circular clamping. Sort of like those exercise bands of different resistance. It would probably be challenging to get it to even resistance all around and then the point where the ends meet unless you have one that is the right amount smaller than the outside diameter. Oddly it seems like, it could work but might be trickier than I think😐. The clamp you used definitely is the best way to go lol.
Yes I’m a big fan of being resourceful and using whatever method works. Recently I was introduced to the luthier method of wrapping bands like you mentioned around and around guitar necks to clamp a fretboard to the guitar neck. It exerts much more pressure than I imagined and is very effective. 👍
Thumbs up on the spectacles.
Thanks Dana, you must have a great mind because great minds do think alike! I hope to reveal the final finished look of the spectacle idea this coming Thursday if you can make it…then we’ll be proven geniuses for sure! 😎👍
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Hope you are well.
Thanks Paul, yes we are well…did I appear not to be? Thanks for spending time with us 👍
You seemed a bit off but great work as always. You and "The Camera Lady".
Thank you
Yes Paul, you are perceptive, I wasn’t feeling my best. But the show must go on, not a physical thing but more emotional from some personal things right now…not with the Camera Lady, she’s amazing as always 😎 Thanks for caring👍
Using the circumference divided by eight yields 4.71”. Too short
That’s what I was trying to say, thanks! 😎
Could be a 10 min vidéo
Yes it could, but it was recorded live in real time so it is meant to be more immersive and conversational, simulating actually being together in the shop for a visit while we cover a topic. 👍
How long before he stops talking and does something?
Camera Lady here... glad you're watching Thomas! By all means, feel free to fast forward through some of the intro talk. The live format has more of a living room feel at times, but if that's not where you're sitting, tapping the right arrow key helps... we totally get it. But be forewarned, there are times you might miss something that relates to what Tom's about to do, so advance with caution.😉
Okay Tom, you got me, I’m all talk at heart! 😎
@@EpicWoodworking that's not what I meant, I wanted to see your video, not watch an advertisement for another channel you have, and how to get something you're giving away.
Don't talk too much?
OK