I feel like with alot of supertesting being done by typically the better players it ends up making certain ships look way better than they actually are and it gets put into the game in a... "lacking" state. Gimmick ships get the worst of it.
I have been saying the same thing for a while, and posting about it on the forums. 95% of the time when I see a test ship it has a good to Unicum level player driving it. In response, WG says that they take this into account but judging from the balance of the ships coming out that doesn't appear to be the case.
But having these ships tested by skilled players make sense from a business standpoint; they did test, they did balance it, and what they say about the ship is is true, technically. Only it doesn’t really apply for the rest of the player base and WG can’t get nailed for false advertising and they can just turn around to the player base and say “get good”
@@JamesRT1291 What's more likely is that because of how long they can be in supertesting, these "skilled" players end up finding an extremely niche way to play them well that is situational at best. Even good players in bad ships will perform bad. I've been playing a long time. I can make even stupid meme ships perform well while I carry in better ships. But that doesn't mean they are balanced. I hop in Tone and I suffer existential crisis and wonder why I'm even playing the game.
Wouldn't it br better to take range for commander skill instead of 3 point reload skill and 1 point flood chance? I'm also expecting a release of special Spanish captain who will make the ship more playable, same like Sansonetti for the Italians. Thanks for the video :)
I am glad to being informed how to save my resources for whatever other there on armory. I got Napoli and trying to understand it, but it already proved itself to me to be great by survivability, thanks decent cautiousness I got rare Solo Warrior achivement in ranked battles, which I received only once more but I random. But its not just Napoli only plus, survivability and great guns make me recommend it for you if you dont have it yet. I can still pick Marceau at T10, or Kearsarge and Neustrashimy, so it is probably way to go.
Absolutely that would be better. I don't understand the build in this video, because taking reload mod on the ship and range on the captain seems like a no-brainer, since there is no way you can get the same reload buff as reload mod with 4 points of commander skills.
@@tangofan4u Yes his build sucks. You HAVE TO take reload mode on this ship. Your DPM is very low so need to get almost everything into DPM. Also dont know why he didnt run Fearless brawler. If you want range you can get 4 points captain skill for this but I really think that main battery specialist and grease the gears will be better than just range.12.6 km range is not bad. Regollo with captain skill has 1km less range.
At least if they use an Italian based one, that would mean they would use the national, improved designs for the tech tree. Most of them are really interesting
@@jaimegonzaloelices3346 The Oquendo Class destroyers were builded in the 50's o 60's, I think that they should be at high tiers, even that in real life they had problems of design.
Baleares, Churruca, Navarra, Cervera class, España class Dreadnoughts, Jupiter class and a long etc do not count? Spanish navy had more ships and more varied than even the Dutch. And with projects, like the ones they used as basis of Amalfi and Brindisi, you can fill a full tree proposal of DDs, CAs, BBs and CVs.
Even though I agreed with almost everything you said in this video, I still enjoy my time with this ship. Although it's not a ship I would choose if I want to play seriously, it's fun nontheless imo :) But I don't play it with range, I chose fearless brawler to make up for the lack of DPM at least somewhat. But yeah the burst gimmick is what can carry this ship, you got the speed to run at some torp DDs and mess them up, maybe even manage to finish them off with burst but you're just verly vulnerable and everybody and their Mom wants to shoot you right now because new ship, that's doesn't exactly help the situation either :D But I try to play it like the italians with the hit and run kind of playstyle, but it just doesn't work as well becasue you lack a good turning radius, rudder shift time or field smoke to make these kind of plays. It's just a very odd and situatiional ship that's still fun if you can make it work :)
I dont agree, i like the BAZAN, im playing it mostly as an open water light cruiser on max. range (17.6 km). Detection, speed and range are good in my opinion, you can even cap if you have to, and it comes with drift mines (or 2 sets of these super slow torps, but with good range and reload time), and they seem to work nicely, at least they did in my games. And yes the burst mode is a bit of a gimick but even that works if you know whan to use it..., but i also wish i could trade smoke for the repair ability. I think its a bit of a niche ship, so perhaps not for everyone but definately not a bad ship, i like the play style a lot.
@@ImRandomDude lol I know that, that's why I said he boosted it to 21 in my original comment. I doubt he grinded his captain to 21 points by playing Canarias alone 🤣.
Don’t you think it’s possible that this boat isn’t supposed to be a gun boat but rather a hit and run ship. That would make more sense combining speed detect and the burst.
I got a dozen of those Firepower premium containers today and guess the ONE ship is coughed up. You guessed it. Argghhhh... Well, perhaps that's why it also yielded 45k coal, so it would help to go get a Marceau or something worth it.
I don't like the "gimmicks". I feel WG just make the ships dependant on gimmicks and not on the ship being "ok" and get better, for a short amount of time, with the gimmicks, like reload booster, speed bost, radar, anything. Remove the burst fire, tune down the reload to 4,8s, give it the option of heal/smoke, better speed boost and done.
Tbh, even with a heal, Bazan seems too poor to even be a problem. Neustrashimy has both smoke and a heal, along side better concealment. They need to improve either the reload, or this ship will be just a big ass gimmick ship.
@@lebakir3332 well just check stats. It doesn't feel like it because you don't dumpster other people like with Black, but you outlive everything. And essentially you are guaranteed to end up being the only DD left to free torp what you want.
@@matthiasdarrington3271 Neustrashimy has few things going for that Bazan dont. A. It has Very nice concealment. Probably sneakiest amongst all the ship you can get for Coal. B. The heal is a Super heal. Bazan either needs more damage or faster reload to even compete with F.Sherman, Marceau in the Armory or literally other ships at all. Shimy ain't focused on Main battery, But damn sure Bazan is.
how is this a 5/10 in any way? You say this is the worst tier 10 destroyer and but somehow that just makes it average? You should rate the ship for what it is, not what it could be...
Because you still have the “I win” burst fire mode. This will essentially ensure you are the DD left standing in a 1v1 engagement. However that is all this ship has going for it. Looking at the other coal TX DDs, those are all 8-10/10s in my book
atleast if you do pick it up you`ll get one use out of itevery year when christmas playing rewards come out, that way you might make the cost back by say 2032
I like the khabarovsk. It really shines when you use the legendary mod on the ship. The delny is about the same with the khaba. The regolo or any other italian destroyer can stay on the tech tree as I hate and despise the ships as they really lack the range to engage targets and when they do engage targets they have a very difficult time trying to disengage as they have an 11.1K range without AFT. I have the marceau, smaland, daring and gearing. I run my smalland as a DD hunter/Torp dispenser. Daring a DD cap contester and gearing with 16.5K range torps is my open area prober. Marceau is the target reticle for the team as I tend to make ships engage me so that the rest of the team can kill it
it is me or there isn t good ship out recently, mostly outside of tech tree, the new french and uk line are fun be very fragile too. the new steel look pretty bad, this one too..
@@matthiasdarrington3271 yes they are good, but like the new uk bb line and a wierd way in the sense that it look like a Jb but can t tank from front, . but seeing that spanish ship, the canaria and the dido?, the incoming ijn light cruiser that have weak gun, and that netherland dd with airstrike and nothign good >.>
Forrest Sherman came out relatively recently, people seem to enjoy that. Other than that yeah I can't recall any premiums from the last few patches that were better than an "underwhelming". The premium from the French bc line seemed to get good reviews but it isn't available for outright purchase yet afaik.
@@NotTheRookie Mecklenburg is a really good ship though and the british battelcruisers are really awesome, I played them for a while now and I got plenty of really good games in with them too :) The recent SUperships have been of course really really good too, but I agree the regualr premiums always seem quite close being pretty good but they just don't make the cut when compared to older ones. But I'm not feeling like this is an issue, it's better than having massive powercreep ;)
I mean PotatoQuality is one of the most recent newcomer CCs and I don't feel like he's sold out in any way tbh. But that's a decision everyone needs to make for themselves.
The Italian DD are already marginal and too situational , and they now base this off the already under-performing Italian DD and try to gimmick it further .. well it just do not work , at least not working as a gunboat , for its 13.5KM and short reload it can be a torp boat but of course the alpha is too low and if I just need a torp boat there are plenty that do just as well and many better
Love SL but his build is absolutely awful. It also isn't a run and gun boat, it's a hit and run boat. The torps are also very stealthy, they will catch DDs off guard. Detection is only 1.1 km, that's deep water territory
@@matthiasdarrington3271 they “balanced” graf zeppelin by nerfing it into the ground, they can 100% balance premiums post release and there’s even a little disclaimer on the store page saying they can and will balance premium ships. They can do it but don’t seem to really care all that much about it.
If this ship is so crap, i have to decide between Pommern (and i'm good with Prince R) or Duke of York (and i'm good with Nelson). Or wait for new boats.
Could just wait until malta or vela comes out. Also Nelson is completely unrelated to DoY. It’s a KGV class ship. Pommern is also only tangentially related to rupperecht, freddy would be a closer comparison for that.
@@jammo7370 I'm refering to the T7 and T9 ships. If i'm good with one, no need for a second one same nation same tier. I got all TX BBs excluding italians where i stopped T8. BTW i stopped CVs at Lexington and Kaga.
i have only 1 coal ship and its pommern, its a waste of coal honestly. Ruprecht is better imo but brawling is dead in randoms anyway. I play german bbs in ranked only. Im currently saving coal for forrest sherman
@@sardaukerlegion I kinda want american ship since i have 21 point commander from us and could grind elite commander xp. I only have 1 10 point commander on t5dd in french line and i dont plan on grinding this line soon tbh
Destroyers do not receive full pen damage from AP shells over 280mm. They will only deal overpen damage even if the shell full pens (shooter receives a Penetration ribbon). The last 2 destroyers that received full pen damage from shells over 280mm, Khabarovsk and Harugumo, had that negative trait removed many patches ago.
not really, japanese DDs got way better torps and usually way better concealment. It is very situational but also a fun ship imo, even though there a lot of better DDs out there :)
@@Mike-DuBose Perhaps they have played in the past, but got pushed away by wg and their "really good decisions", yet still hoping for some good news on the horizon.
I feel like with alot of supertesting being done by typically the better players it ends up making certain ships look way better than they actually are and it gets put into the game in a... "lacking" state. Gimmick ships get the worst of it.
I have been saying the same thing for a while, and posting about it on the forums. 95% of the time when I see a test ship it has a good to Unicum level player driving it. In response, WG says that they take this into account but judging from the balance of the ships coming out that doesn't appear to be the case.
But having these ships tested by skilled players make sense from a business standpoint; they did test, they did balance it, and what they say about the ship is is true, technically. Only it doesn’t really apply for the rest of the player base and WG can’t get nailed for false advertising and they can just turn around to the player base and say “get good”
@@JamesRT1291 What's more likely is that because of how long they can be in supertesting, these "skilled" players end up finding an extremely niche way to play them well that is situational at best. Even good players in bad ships will perform bad.
I've been playing a long time. I can make even stupid meme ships perform well while I carry in better ships. But that doesn't mean they are balanced.
I hop in Tone and I suffer existential crisis and wonder why I'm even playing the game.
@@yourmamom my point exactly
wish they could give torp to canaria now that they put the gyro torp in the uk line
As it was in the original spanish ship...
Wouldn't it br better to take range for commander skill instead of 3 point reload skill and 1 point flood chance? I'm also expecting a release of special Spanish captain who will make the ship more playable, same like Sansonetti for the Italians. Thanks for the video :)
I am glad to being informed how to save my resources for whatever other there on armory.
I got Napoli and trying to understand it, but it already proved itself to me to be great by survivability, thanks decent cautiousness I got rare Solo Warrior achivement in ranked battles, which I received only once more but I random. But its not just Napoli only plus, survivability and great guns
make me recommend it for you if you dont have it yet.
I can still pick Marceau at T10, or Kearsarge and Neustrashimy, so it is probably way to go.
Absolutely that would be better. I don't understand the build in this video, because taking reload mod on the ship and range on the captain seems like a no-brainer, since there is no way you can get the same reload buff as reload mod with 4 points of commander skills.
@@tangofan4u Yes his build sucks. You HAVE TO take reload mode on this ship. Your DPM is very low so need to get almost everything into DPM. Also dont know why he didnt run Fearless brawler. If you want range you can get 4 points captain skill for this but I really think that main battery specialist and grease the gears will be better than just range.12.6 km range is not bad. Regollo with captain skill has 1km less range.
At least if they use an Italian based one, that would mean they would use the national, improved designs for the tech tree. Most of them are really interesting
When the Spanish attempt to make pasta, but still wound up making tortillas somehow.
Tortillas are delicious
There's real Spanish ships to add, but no let's rip off the Italians and do it wrong.
In Tier X they could have add the Oquendo Class
@@emiliojoselopeznieto1065 bruh that would be a tier 2
@@jaimegonzaloelices3346 The Oquendo Class destroyers were builded in the 50's o 60's, I think that they should be at high tiers, even that in real life they had problems of design.
@@emiliojoselopeznieto1065 ohhh I thought you meant the armoured cruisers, that makes more sense
Baleares, Churruca, Navarra, Cervera class, España class Dreadnoughts, Jupiter class and a long etc do not count? Spanish navy had more ships and more varied than even the Dutch. And with projects, like the ones they used as basis of Amalfi and Brindisi, you can fill a full tree proposal of DDs, CAs, BBs and CVs.
I did a 130k damage in my first match without even trying that hard. I love it.
Yah. As a dd main by the third game I hit 108k. Uptiered. It’s a great ship. Bb
Guys should never review t10 dds 😂
I love your reviews and your honesty. Thank you for taking the time to bring this content to us, I am a newb so it is very helpful to me.
Even though I agreed with almost everything you said in this video, I still enjoy my time with this ship. Although it's not a ship I would choose if I want to play seriously, it's fun nontheless imo :) But I don't play it with range, I chose fearless brawler to make up for the lack of DPM at least somewhat. But yeah the burst gimmick is what can carry this ship, you got the speed to run at some torp DDs and mess them up, maybe even manage to finish them off with burst but you're just verly vulnerable and everybody and their Mom wants to shoot you right now because new ship, that's doesn't exactly help the situation either :D But I try to play it like the italians with the hit and run kind of playstyle, but it just doesn't work as well becasue you lack a good turning radius, rudder shift time or field smoke to make these kind of plays. It's just a very odd and situatiional ship that's still fun if you can make it work :)
Need to learn torp DDs more SL
I dont agree, i like the BAZAN, im playing it mostly as an open water light cruiser on max. range (17.6 km). Detection, speed and range are good in my opinion, you can even cap if you have to, and it comes with drift mines (or 2 sets of these super slow torps, but with good range and reload time), and they seem to work nicely, at least they did in my games. And yes the burst mode is a bit of a gimick but even that works if you know whan to use it..., but i also wish i could trade smoke for the repair ability.
I think its a bit of a niche ship, so perhaps not for everyone but definately not a bad ship, i like the play style a lot.
Wow, you got your captain boosted to 21 points already, nice!
You can move captains between ships
@@magicthings5485 Is there another Spanish ship in the game?
@@SofaKingA Canarias
And elite capt xp is not tied to nation. Anyone with huge stock can jump right to 21pt capt
@@ImRandomDude lol I know that, that's why I said he boosted it to 21 in my original comment. I doubt he grinded his captain to 21 points by playing Canarias alone 🤣.
@@SofaKingA perhaps he got one as a cc
Don’t you think it’s possible that this boat isn’t supposed to be a gun boat but rather a hit and run ship. That would make more sense combining speed detect and the burst.
I got a dozen of those Firepower premium containers today and guess the ONE ship is coughed up. You guessed it. Argghhhh... Well, perhaps that's why it also yielded 45k coal, so it would help to go get a Marceau or something worth it.
I don't like the "gimmicks". I feel WG just make the ships dependant on gimmicks and not on the ship being "ok" and get better, for a short amount of time, with the gimmicks, like reload booster, speed bost, radar, anything.
Remove the burst fire, tune down the reload to 4,8s, give it the option of heal/smoke, better speed boost and done.
Tbh, even with a heal, Bazan seems too poor to even be a problem. Neustrashimy has both smoke and a heal, along side better concealment. They need to improve either the reload, or this ship will be just a big ass gimmick ship.
Neustra is notoriously OP bro
@@matthiasdarrington3271 Never felt that
@@lebakir3332 well just check stats. It doesn't feel like it because you don't dumpster other people like with Black, but you outlive everything. And essentially you are guaranteed to end up being the only DD left to free torp what you want.
@@matthiasdarrington3271 Neustrashimy has few things going for that Bazan dont.
A. It has Very nice concealment. Probably sneakiest amongst all the ship you can get for Coal.
B. The heal is a Super heal.
Bazan either needs more damage or faster reload to even compete with F.Sherman, Marceau in the Armory or literally other ships at all.
Shimy ain't focused on Main battery, But damn sure Bazan is.
Ohh shiett Im gonna save some money
how is this a 5/10 in any way? You say this is the worst tier 10 destroyer and but somehow that just makes it average? You should rate the ship for what it is, not what it could be...
Because you still have the “I win” burst fire mode. This will essentially ensure you are the DD left standing in a 1v1 engagement. However that is all this ship has going for it. Looking at the other coal TX DDs, those are all 8-10/10s in my book
atleast if you do pick it up you`ll get one use out of itevery year when christmas playing rewards come out, that way you might make the cost back by say 2032
$140 bucks for this shit. Not for me, hard pass. Gonna save this for a visit at the Olive Garden.
None of the stuff they sell is worth $130 Back when they came out for $70 was pushing it!
look at all these details on model ... shows model against the reflection of sun
didnt you teach my mom how to take photos as well? :D
Seems like when you consider a ship bad, you still give it a rating of 5/10. That should be average. This ship should be a 3 or less given the review.
Haha you didn't play it with both 10 secs base reload and 40 secs waiting time after using the fire burst.
I like the khabarovsk. It really shines when you use the legendary mod on the ship. The delny is about the same with the khaba. The regolo or any other italian destroyer can stay on the tech tree as I hate and despise the ships as they really lack the range to engage targets and when they do engage targets they have a very difficult time trying to disengage as they have an 11.1K range without AFT. I have the marceau, smaland, daring and gearing. I run my smalland as a DD hunter/Torp dispenser. Daring a DD cap contester and gearing with 16.5K range torps is my open area prober. Marceau is the target reticle for the team as I tend to make ships engage me so that the rest of the team can kill it
Guess I’ll be getting Black then.
it is me or there isn t good ship out recently, mostly outside of tech tree, the new french and uk line are fun be very fragile too. the new steel look pretty bad, this one too..
There are plenty of good ships out. Brest and Marseille are amazing and good game desi
@@matthiasdarrington3271 yes they are good, but like the new uk bb line and a wierd way in the sense that it look like a Jb but can t tank from front, . but seeing that spanish ship, the canaria and the dido?, the incoming ijn light cruiser that have weak gun, and that netherland dd with airstrike and nothign good >.>
Forrest Sherman came out relatively recently, people seem to enjoy that. Other than that yeah I can't recall any premiums from the last few patches that were better than an "underwhelming". The premium from the French bc line seemed to get good reviews but it isn't available for outright purchase yet afaik.
@@NotTheRookie Mecklenburg is a really good ship though and the british battelcruisers are really awesome, I played them for a while now and I got plenty of really good games in with them too :) The recent SUperships have been of course really really good too, but I agree the regualr premiums always seem quite close being pretty good but they just don't make the cut when compared to older ones. But I'm not feeling like this is an issue, it's better than having massive powercreep ;)
@@NotTheRookie the toulon? it is meh, very slow turret rotation, long reload and no gun reload boost. it is subpart to the tech line i find
You make a lot of content, can you not apply for CC status??
He's better off without. Weegee is never to be trusted.
Yeah, the CC program rn is a joke, you basically get gifts from them but selling out your dignity for it
He certainly could, but they’d limit what he could say and there’d be 0 guarantee that reviews and statements from that point on would be truly honest
I mean PotatoQuality is one of the most recent newcomer CCs and I don't feel like he's sold out in any way tbh. But that's a decision everyone needs to make for themselves.
So the Burst is just a worse Reload Booster
The Italian DD are already marginal and too situational , and they now base this off the already under-performing Italian DD and try to gimmick it further .. well it just do not work , at least not working as a gunboat , for its 13.5KM and short reload it can be a torp boat but of course the alpha is too low and if I just need a torp boat there are plenty that do just as well and many better
This has much better conceal than Italian DDs though. I think it will be good, but not OP
She's a hefty lass, slow to get moving and can't change direction very quickly
First hampshire now this? Weegee really likes pushing out bad ships now. I saw the pain you were facing on stream. Hopefully next one will be better.
next one will be the Anhalt, I doubt it XD That thing just seems to be a slow ass Lidl Mecklenburg^^
Sorry mate but your build doesn't make any sense. If you wanna build range on a DD you always do it on a captain,not with the range mod.
Love SL but his build is absolutely awful. It also isn't a run and gun boat, it's a hit and run boat. The torps are also very stealthy, they will catch DDs off guard. Detection is only 1.1 km, that's deep water territory
@@wesgeorge4112 True. He just built it for the role its not meant to play.
Love it when the keep adding nations but don't bother balancing the game first
Can't balance something people paid with real money unfortunately
@@matthiasdarrington3271 of course you can. But only if the ship makes 1 mill a battle for "economic balancing"
@@matthiasdarrington3271 they “balanced” graf zeppelin by nerfing it into the ground, they can 100% balance premiums post release and there’s even a little disclaimer on the store page saying they can and will balance premium ships. They can do it but don’t seem to really care all that much about it.
If this ship is so crap, i have to decide between Pommern (and i'm good with Prince R) or Duke of York (and i'm good with Nelson).
Or wait for new boats.
Could just wait until malta or vela comes out. Also Nelson is completely unrelated to DoY. It’s a KGV class ship. Pommern is also only tangentially related to rupperecht, freddy would be a closer comparison for that.
@@jammo7370 I'm refering to the T7 and T9 ships. If i'm good with one, no need for a second one same nation same tier. I got all TX BBs excluding italians where i stopped T8.
BTW i stopped CVs at Lexington and Kaga.
i have only 1 coal ship and its pommern, its a waste of coal honestly. Ruprecht is better imo but brawling is dead in randoms anyway. I play german bbs in ranked only. Im currently saving coal for forrest sherman
@@NoName-wi8xz Chck youtube if Sherman is "better" than Marceau. Last year Marceau was considered the best DD.
@@sardaukerlegion I kinda want american ship since i have 21 point commander from us and could grind elite commander xp. I only have 1 10 point commander on t5dd in french line and i dont plan on grinding this line soon tbh
Met one of these in battle tonight, I was in a Vampire II, I killed him/her in 15 seconds. Seems like another garbage ship.
I liked the idea better of like that low tier cruiser. Only ap but high pen
As basically Italian ship shouldnt it have SAP?
Re watching because I won her in the Santa crates
i feel its rly good and strong
That incomparable that shot you with AP seemed to get a full pen or two, that’s another huge problem with this thing if that happens regularly
Just barely enough armor to arm whatever touches it without actually protecting the ship. Brilliant design.
Destroyers do not receive full pen damage from AP shells over 280mm. They will only deal overpen damage even if the shell full pens (shooter receives a Penetration ribbon). The last 2 destroyers that received full pen damage from shells over 280mm, Khabarovsk and Harugumo, had that negative trait removed many patches ago.
I need jtr to play this first
Flambass casually doin 230k in his first match with it……
so it's a japanese torpedo dd with burstiness.
not really, japanese DDs got way better torps and usually way better concealment. It is very situational but also a fun ship imo, even though there a lot of better DDs out there :)
Hello my name is Alvaro De Bazan.... etc.
ship needs better torp angles!
Dont like that you dont have any capt for this nation
I believe that is a question? A: They weren’t. A bit like them listening to their community and feedback. Crickets…..
i took one look at its price tag and i laughed and laughed....so not going to happen.
yet it does cos people.
One simple word : Gimmick
Give it a better turret traverse than regolo and your all set to sell a ship, what were u thinking WG 😂
you obviously are not very skilled in dd play this thing is awesome
I’m tempted…. But “No”. The gimmick is massively situational.
were
Skill issue
I don't give a fuck about this game tbh.
Why are you watching this video?
@@Mike-DuBose probably one of those "this game is dead" kinda guy who plays the game religiously 🤣🤣🤣
Troll for sure
Are you twelve?
@@Mike-DuBose Perhaps they have played in the past, but got pushed away by wg and their "really good decisions", yet still hoping for some good news on the horizon.