Hey Marty, I have the GB8 32 and am doing very well with the routing but I can’t figure out how you’re getting stereo out of the groups. I have drums selected to group 1-2 and while each individual channel is panned correctly, the group comes through the headphones in mono. I’ve tried to pan the groups like you have yours but the image never changes. How are you sending channels back to the DAW, individual channels, group bus outs or mix bus out? Thanks ahead of time!
dumb question, I have 3 vocals I send to one group, how do you add compression to the group vs the 3 indv vocal channels? My mixer does not have a group insert, just inserts for each normal input. I assume larger mixers have inserts for each group and you would do it that way.
@zed - Thanks for your cool tutorial. :) I have a question about the Group and Aux swap: If I turn the switch: Does that kill the Aux Bus entirely Or only the fader section? And if it swaps both fader and potis: Do both output sections still function? (I intend to use it as a live console and I would like to work with 4 Aux for Monitors, 2 Aux for FX and hopefully 4 Stereo Sub-Groups to organize my submixes. And as you can guess it would be great to have control about ALL output levels. So it would be sad If I would have to choose e.g. between a monitor mix and a group... ?
Do you think it's much better to get the GB8 if you can to get double the buses or are they not really necessary? I'm unsure of the GB2 vs GB4 vs GB8. Is it bad to have your analog recordings converted into digital (on your DAW) then converted back into analog, then converted back in to digital again? Doesn't all this back and forth degrade the signal? From a practicality point of view i'm not really sure how to work things - the plan was to run all of my synths and drum machines and sampler through the GB series mixer in a live performance style - then run them out through 32 in/out ferrofish converters and a rme madiface into my DAW. However, if I want to get my recordings back out of the DAW and run them through the mixer again am I going to have to rewire the entire mixer since all the inputs are used up from my analog gear? Seems like a problem i'm not sure how to fix.
I‘d get the GB8 because I‘m a fan of multiple buses, but it wasn‘t available anywhere when I bought the mixer. So i went with the GB4. I don‘t think that multiple conversion passes are a huge deal because the converters are very good nowadays. In my tests I couldn‘t hear any degradation. If you want to use outboard gear when mixing there‘s no other way to do it ;) You can use a patchbay for quick patching inputs and outputs or get an inline console where you can switch between Line Inputs and DAW/Tape returns. e.g. Mackie 8Bus, Behringer MX8000/9000, Trident Audio 68, Soundcraft Ghost, Allen&Heath GSR-24, Toft ATB, Audient ASP 4816
like the video ! quick question: How do you route from your buss (stereo) 1/2 (or 2/3) thru a mono effect? You just use insert of Group 1 (or 3)? I figure you have 2 channel compression but what with a 1 channel compression for your Drumbuss?
You can insert a mono compressor on grp1 and pan grp1 straight to center. The channel you want to route to grp1 has to be panned accordingly. e.g. full left for grp1, full right for grp2,...
Great vids and very useful infomation/ideas/influences! I would love to see a video how the AD/DA converter is set up, both in the DAW and its own sowftware (in this case the Presonus Universal Control). And also where to monitor while tracking, avoiding latency and stuff like that. Keep up the good work!
Thank you! Have a look at my Hybrid Mixing series, I explain all routings and DAW setup there. I basically bypass the Presonus Universal Control and let the Logic itself do everything. Here's part 1: ua-cam.com/video/10Q01Ko-6Es/v-deo.html
Thank you for this! I only just upgraded to a mid sized studio console from a Mackie 1604. I currently mix in the DAW and am trying to figure out the best routing for groups and the master buss on this larger system. Would it be normal to use the group buss as a set of inputs to a soundcard (thus routing any channel to a group at the tracking stage) or is it really best used as a multi out? I'm a bit overwhelmed by the options I now have. I *imagined* that I would still mix in the box to stereo out but clearly there are more directions one could take. Is there a 'standard'? Thank you for any insight!
Well there are no rules and everyone has his own work flow. I usually record directly to the DAW and bring the tracks out to the channels of the console when mixing. For live band recordings I would record through the console into the DAW via the direct outputs. So each instrument has its own track. As far as mixing goes, all tracks come to individual channels on the console and are summed through the various groups to the Master Bus.
may I ask how you have routed your Effects (sends and returns ) I have a soundcraft MH3 and my setup is similar to yours. Thanks,Best regards, Merry Christmas.
@@ZedMartyProduction thanks, Do you have your console switched to FOH or Aux mode? I'm having issues and I am concerned someone played around inside before me. Thanks alot for your time.
Finding your videos very helpful! How would I hook up a single. compressor to groups 1 and 2 insert on a Mackie 24:8? I use this as my drum bus, compressor is a 3630. Cheers!
@@ZedMartyProduction Thanks for info - Unfortunately the 4848 has also been discontinued which is sad as that is the only interface I can find with so many ins/outs anywhere near that price - I may look for a used one.
This is awesome! I have a very similar setup actually so it made me smile. Do you use the EQ on the board much? How do you handle with and feel about recalling mixes? Cheers man!
Yes, I use it quite often - love it! I usually print stems together with the Mix so if there are some minor changes I din‘t have to recall it. However, I also take photos and store them in the project folder in the case I have to recall the whole session.
@@ZedMartyProduction Thanks. Im curious how you print the stems actually. Which tracks and how are they routed? Could make for a valuable video. Thank You!
I have a video about that: ua-cam.com/video/I0216kwwCmg/v-deo.html I basically print the stems just through the Mixbus and mute the channels I don‘t want to print. It works much quicker with the new console as it has mutegroups.
Fantastic overview Zed ! Looks like you have around 16 DAW channels into the desk. What converters are you using ? I guess the keyboards are midi driven external modules....or you have gone past 16 chans ! Love your routing choices. I have a very old TLA C1 Comp...so your Ebony made me smiiiiile :-)
Thank you! Actually I have 24 channels coming into the console, 3x Presonus Firestudio Project. Yes, keyboards are external Midi. The TL Audio stuff is quite good, I also have a Ivory series preamp!
Hi Marty, Really enjoy watching your videos; very helpful. Got a question, what kind of tape do you use to label your channels on your board? I got the same one. Thanks
thanx for sharing ..from where did u send the final stereo track for print track back into yr Daw. Is it from the console main outs or from the sub/group outputs
thanks for share your video really intresting ! i own a soundcraft gb8 32 i'm taking ssl fusion! I would like to ask you where it is convenient to connect it! I was thinking about the mix bus so I can record the audio sum on the L ÷ R but also process it on the single instruments! thank you if you answer my question! good job
My question is regarding the berhinger eurodesk you use to have. I have one and can't get a print track to record. I use presonus studio one 4 pro thanks if anyone can help me out.
Hi Marty congratulations for your different video. You permit me to improve and learn a lot on mixing. I would like to know how about your piece of furniture. Is it an DIY or a specific brand? Thank you
Thank you! Great to hear! The desk is from Zaor Studio Furniture. They have a wide range of different studio desks and also do custom versions. You can buy directly from them, just send them a mail and get in touch.
Hi! I have just started hybrid mixing using a A&H gl2400 and I also have 3 presonus firestudio projects. My question is how do you use itb fx as I noticed you had that on one channel? When I first set up I tried using sends in my daw (studio one) but that didn't work with all the latency when using higher buffers on the converters.
Hi! I use Logic and send the individual sends on 2 outputs of the Firestudio to the desk. But I don‘t have any latency issues as you describe. It is basically the same as sending other tracks of the DAW to the mixer.
I see, what buffer size do you use on the firestudios? I have always gone witg max while mixing and that is 2048 for me and that is giving alot of latency. But as I have been mixing itb, it haven't been an issue until now as I go outboard.
I use 1024 for mixing and 32 or 64 when recording. But when mixing, latency should be no problem since all tracks go out at the same time to the mixer. It does not matter if there‘s a higher round trip latency since you don‘t record anything.
Oh now I get it! I do record main left and right back into my daw, that's where the latency comes from when I run the buffer on 2048. Do you print your mix to another medium or how do you have that set up?
Hi ! Main out of monitor control routing with 2 TRACK IN ???
Great setup Marty. Well thought out mixer arrangement.
Thanks mate! Yes, it took some time to figure it out but now I‘m quite happy with the layout.
Hey Marty,
I have the GB8 32 and am doing very well with the routing but I can’t figure out how you’re getting stereo out of the groups. I have drums selected to group 1-2 and while each individual channel is panned correctly, the group comes through the headphones in mono. I’ve tried to pan the groups like you have yours but the image never changes. How are you sending channels back to the DAW, individual channels, group bus outs or mix bus out?
Thanks ahead of time!
fantastic tutorial and settings ...thanks a lot
Dedicated bus for the bass is a great concept. But definitively not enough bass in the final mix. Crank it up mate !
dumb question, I have 3 vocals I send to one group, how do you add compression to the group vs the 3 indv vocal channels? My mixer does not have a group insert, just inserts for each normal input. I assume larger mixers have inserts for each group and you would do it that way.
@zed - Thanks for your cool tutorial. :) I have a question about the Group and Aux swap: If I turn the switch: Does that kill the Aux Bus entirely Or only the fader section? And if it swaps both fader and potis: Do both output sections still function? (I intend to use it as a live console and I would like to work with 4 Aux for Monitors, 2 Aux for FX and hopefully 4 Stereo Sub-Groups to organize my submixes. And as you can guess it would be great to have control about ALL output levels. So it would be sad If I would have to choose e.g. between a monitor mix and a group... ?
Do you think it's much better to get the GB8 if you can to get double the buses or are they not really necessary? I'm unsure of the GB2 vs GB4 vs GB8. Is it bad to have your analog recordings converted into digital (on your DAW) then converted back into analog, then converted back in to digital again? Doesn't all this back and forth degrade the signal? From a practicality point of view i'm not really sure how to work things - the plan was to run all of my synths and drum machines and sampler through the GB series mixer in a live performance style - then run them out through 32 in/out ferrofish converters and a rme madiface into my DAW. However, if I want to get my recordings back out of the DAW and run them through the mixer again am I going to have to rewire the entire mixer since all the inputs are used up from my analog gear? Seems like a problem i'm not sure how to fix.
I‘d get the GB8 because I‘m a fan of multiple buses, but it wasn‘t available anywhere when I bought the mixer. So i went with the GB4. I don‘t think that multiple conversion passes are a huge deal because the converters are very good nowadays. In my tests I couldn‘t hear any degradation. If you want to use outboard gear when mixing there‘s no other way to do it ;) You can use a patchbay for quick patching inputs and outputs or get an inline console where you can switch between Line Inputs and DAW/Tape returns. e.g. Mackie 8Bus, Behringer MX8000/9000, Trident Audio 68, Soundcraft Ghost, Allen&Heath GSR-24, Toft ATB, Audient ASP 4816
can I asking u which ADDA converter and interface u used?
like the video ! quick question: How do you route from your buss (stereo) 1/2 (or 2/3) thru a mono effect? You just use insert of Group 1 (or 3)? I figure you have 2 channel compression but what with a 1 channel compression for your Drumbuss?
You can insert a mono compressor on grp1 and pan grp1 straight to center. The channel you want to route to grp1 has to be panned accordingly. e.g. full left for grp1, full right for grp2,...
Great vids and very useful infomation/ideas/influences!
I would love to see a video how the AD/DA converter is set up, both in the DAW and its own sowftware (in this case the Presonus Universal Control).
And also where to monitor while tracking, avoiding latency and stuff like that.
Keep up the good work!
Thank you! Have a look at my Hybrid Mixing series, I explain all routings and DAW setup there. I basically bypass the Presonus Universal Control and let the Logic itself do everything. Here's part 1: ua-cam.com/video/10Q01Ko-6Es/v-deo.html
Thank you for this! I only just upgraded to a mid sized studio console from a Mackie 1604. I currently mix in the DAW and am trying to figure out the best routing for groups and the master buss on this larger system. Would it be normal to use the group buss as a set of inputs to a soundcard (thus routing any channel to a group at the tracking stage) or is it really best used as a multi out? I'm a bit overwhelmed by the options I now have. I *imagined* that I would still mix in the box to stereo out but clearly there are more directions one could take. Is there a 'standard'? Thank you for any insight!
Well there are no rules and everyone has his own work flow. I usually record directly to the DAW and bring the tracks out to the channels of the console when mixing. For live band recordings I would record through the console into the DAW via the direct outputs. So each instrument has its own track.
As far as mixing goes, all tracks come to individual channels on the console and are summed through the various groups to the Master Bus.
may I ask how you have routed your Effects (sends and returns ) I have a soundcraft MH3 and my setup is similar to yours. Thanks,Best regards, Merry Christmas.
All FX is on Aux sends and come back to channels. e.g Aux 1 Send -> FX In, FX Out -> Channel Line Input or Stereo Return.
@@ZedMartyProduction thanks, Do you have your console switched to FOH or Aux mode? I'm having issues and I am concerned someone played around inside before me. Thanks alot for your time.
what is the point of using the mix bus inserts? Couldn't you just go inline from the main out -> outboard gear -> back to DAW?
Finding your videos very helpful! How would I hook up a single. compressor to groups 1 and 2 insert on a Mackie 24:8? I use this as my drum bus, compressor is a 3630. Cheers!
How the different mix with behringer and this soundcraft?
Why is not in ITB?
Thanks
Great video. Do you have one connecting the console and setting up the routing ?
Thanks! I have a video series about Hybrid Mixing on my channel. Here is part 1: ua-cam.com/video/10Q01Ko-6Es/v-deo.html
Nice videos! Hoping to pickup GB4 later this week. Can I ask what audio interfaces you are using to connect to/from DAW?
Presonus Firestudio Project, three of them in cascade. They are discontinued, the new version is the Quantum 4848.
@@ZedMartyProduction Thanks for info - Unfortunately the 4848 has also been discontinued which is sad as that is the only interface I can find with so many ins/outs anywhere near that price - I may look for a used one.
@@stevenb9209 oh ok, maybe a new version is around the corner?
Hey man. Great video. Would the focusrite scarllete 18i20 do a good job as a converter. And how did you connect 3 fire studio projects. Thanks dude
This is awesome! I have a very similar setup actually so it made me smile. Do you use the EQ on the board much? How do you handle with and feel about recalling mixes? Cheers man!
Yes, I use it quite often - love it! I usually print stems together with the Mix so if there are some minor changes I din‘t have to recall it. However, I also take photos and store them in the project folder in the case I have to recall the whole session.
@@ZedMartyProduction Thanks. Im curious how you print the stems actually. Which tracks and how are they routed? Could make for a valuable video. Thank You!
I have a video about that: ua-cam.com/video/I0216kwwCmg/v-deo.html
I basically print the stems just through the Mixbus and mute the channels I don‘t want to print. It works much quicker with the new console as it has mutegroups.
Fantastic overview Zed ! Looks like you have around 16 DAW channels into the desk. What converters are you using ? I guess the keyboards are midi driven external modules....or you have gone past 16 chans ! Love your routing choices. I have a very old TLA C1 Comp...so your Ebony made me smiiiiile :-)
Thank you! Actually I have 24 channels coming into the console, 3x Presonus Firestudio Project. Yes, keyboards are external Midi. The TL Audio stuff is quite good, I also have a Ivory series preamp!
Great videos Marty... can you do a tour on the desk surrounding the Console? is it a custom made desk? Thanks!
Thank you! Yes it is a custom desk from Zaor Studio Furniture - maybe I‘ll do a little video about it!
Hi Marty,
Really enjoy watching your videos; very helpful. Got a question, what kind of tape do you use to label your channels on your board? I got the same one.
Thanks
Hi, thank you! I use this one: www.thomann.de/at/stairville_beschriftungsband.htm
Great! Thanks a lot
thanx for sharing ..from where did u send the final stereo track for print track back into yr Daw. Is it from the console main outs or from the sub/group outputs
Rec/Alt output - the 1/4" ones
@@ZedMartyProduction i dont understand
There is a dedicated recording output on the back of the console, labeled Rec/Alt output. I use that to print the stereo mix back into the DAW.
@@ZedMartyProduction thank u
thanks for share your video really intresting ! i own a soundcraft gb8 32 i'm taking ssl fusion! I would like to ask you where it is convenient to connect it! I was thinking about the mix bus so I can record the audio sum on the L ÷ R but also process it on the single instruments! thank you if you answer my question! good job
Thanks for watching! Yes, mixbus would be also my first choice or you could use it on one of the stereo groups.
My question is regarding the berhinger eurodesk you use to have. I have one and can't get a print track to record. I use presonus studio one 4 pro thanks if anyone can help me out.
Hi Marty congratulations for your different video. You permit me to improve and learn a lot on mixing. I would like to know how about your piece of furniture.
Is it an DIY or a specific brand? Thank you
Thank you! Great to hear! The desk is from Zaor Studio Furniture. They have a wide range of different studio desks and also do custom versions. You can buy directly from them, just send them a mail and get in touch.
is it the X32 desk?
Yes, but bigger :)
thank you
Hi!
I have just started hybrid mixing using a A&H gl2400 and I also have 3 presonus firestudio projects. My question is how do you use itb fx as I noticed you had that on one channel? When I first set up I tried using sends in my daw (studio one) but that didn't work with all the latency when using higher buffers on the converters.
Hi! I use Logic and send the individual sends on 2 outputs of the Firestudio to the desk. But I don‘t have any latency issues as you describe.
It is basically the same as sending other tracks of the DAW to the mixer.
I see, what buffer size do you use on the firestudios? I have always gone witg max while mixing and that is 2048 for me and that is giving alot of latency. But as I have been mixing itb, it haven't been an issue until now as I go outboard.
I use 1024 for mixing and 32 or 64 when recording. But when mixing, latency should be no problem since all tracks go out at the same time to the mixer. It does not matter if there‘s a higher round trip latency since you don‘t record anything.
Thanks for the answers, I need to dig deeper into this and experiment.
Oh now I get it! I do record main left and right back into my daw, that's where the latency comes from when I run the buffer on 2048. Do you print your mix to another medium or how do you have that set up?