Minisforum UM780 XTX: OCuLink is GRRREAT!

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  • @SurvivorNVL
    @SurvivorNVL Рік тому +8

    Wife and I been using the UM 780 XTX with a pair of GPD G1's for the last week on LMDE6 linux and it has been a flawless experience, save for the usual hiccups with Displayport needing to not be auto detected but manually selected on Asus monitors.

  • @hololightful
    @hololightful Рік тому +7

    When you test the dGPU using the Oculink, please then follow up with all same test setup, except use the USB4 (TB)... Would be awesome to see the 'side by side' in the same video...

  • @andrewr7820
    @andrewr7820 Рік тому +18

    Now they just need to replace the 2 x 2.5GbE with a 10GbE SFP+ port and they'll be all set.
    I'm also excited about the Oculink option though. I've been looking at the offerings for PCIe-to-Oculink adapter cards and the requisite cabling to relocate PCIe slot(s) from the motherboard to a separate riser card. Up until now, that was the only reasonably easy way to extend a slot other than a straight-up ribbon-cable riser adapter. Unfortunately the current offerings add up to something that costs more than a decent B550 or X570 motherboard.
    I would love to see a video discussing the various options for breaking out slots (with good signal quality) to deal with clearance/interference issues that inevitably arise when attempting to place multiple dGPU's in a single machine, ESPECIALLY on Threadripper / Epyc boards where you have 2+ full PCIe x16 slots to work with.
    Thanks for the great content!

    • @declanmcardle
      @declanmcardle Рік тому +6

      The Minisforum MS-01 is coming out in two weeks with 2 x 10Gbe, 2 x 2.5Gbe, a PCIE5 x8 slot for a GPU, and 3 x M.2 or 2 x M.2 and 1 x U.2 config. (U.2 for the Optane on double-fire-sale in NewEgg at the moment)

  • @cooky842
    @cooky842 Рік тому +5

    Funny thing! I just received mine and I bought it for the build in oculink port. I'm building a modular Vess mounted pc for my truck. Pc and a gpu is mounted behind my screen in the truck and I can bring the pc home on weekend for updates and such. I got a spare 2080ti I'll be using for the oculink, waiting on my pcie bracket

    • @L0wPull
      @L0wPull Рік тому

      Would love to see your results with that, I ran a 2080ti off a TB3 egpu enclosure for years, and still have the card… would like to know how much you lose of the GPU perf over the better link 🙏

  • @bhume7535
    @bhume7535 Рік тому +3

    For the wireless charging thing just use a PinePower desktop charger on top of the PC. Those things rock.

    • @RobertoFabrizi
      @RobertoFabrizi Рік тому

      Do you know if there is a thunderbolt hub with wireless charging on top?

  • @L0wPull
    @L0wPull Рік тому +6

    Awesome to see oculink included.. would love to see egpu test to know how much perf you lose off something like a 4070, 3070/80 or even back to a 2080ti now they’re cheap to pick up, given the four lanes.. ran 2080ti off TB3 laptop for years 👌

    • @cooky842
      @cooky842 Рік тому +2

      I'll try to give you data with my 2080ti. Mind you, I just wanna play in 1080p

  • @davidgunther8428
    @davidgunther8428 Рік тому +3

    I just got mine. I play strategy games, so I'm expecting it will be fine. Stellaris runs on almost anything, and the fast CPU cores speed up turns!

  • @UnknownIllusionist
    @UnknownIllusionist Рік тому +1

    What a crisp video! It'd be nice to see a studio set up tour to show off what camera and lens are used

  • @TRD_2zz
    @TRD_2zz Рік тому +5

    Oculink for a DAS would be pretty sweet

  • @fluffyfloof9267
    @fluffyfloof9267 Рік тому +4

    There's a BIOS update on their website - supposed to let you disable the RGB

    • @danielgriffith8911
      @danielgriffith8911 6 місяців тому

      you can toggle the RGB on and off in BIOS
      ...no update needed

  • @Gryfang451
    @Gryfang451 Рік тому

    It's amazing how far these little machines have come! A friend is replacing his lab machine motherboards with the ITX AMD R7 7740 board they sell, and slapping them into older supermicro boxes that had the Atom style Xeon 8 core chips. A little more power to run, but at least it won't take him all day to load an OS on a VM anymore.

  • @vikingzeppelin
    @vikingzeppelin 4 місяці тому

    You walked right past the Alt PD attribute. This is probably the most powerful mini-PC with usb PD. I'm getting one so I can strap this to a cocoon, put it in a breathable mesh backpack with power bank, and then mine crypto on the go!

  • @marcfruchtman9473
    @marcfruchtman9473 Рік тому +1

    Thanks for the cool review.

  • @parsenklep9921
    @parsenklep9921 Рік тому +2

    Anyone else notice mini pc prices were steady July until last Thursday but have jumped in price 50-100% over the weekend?

    • @inducedapathy1296
      @inducedapathy1296 Рік тому

      look at nvme drives or other parts. i bought a solidigm p41 plus 2tb on 9.11 this year for 67 now they want 106 over 40 dollars more. all the 2tb options even the budget options are 80 or more. last month the solidigm p41 2tb was 83 so it jumped 20+ when we clicked into December. i doubt it's just markup for holidays. inflation hasn't gone down since 2021 prolly stagflation.

    • @L0wPull
      @L0wPull Рік тому

      They were rock bottom and most stock has now been cleared out with aggressive BF/CM sales… prices of nand and other parts has recently been rising steadily due to earlier production cuts so now that the stuff that was bought cheap when overproduced has been sold it’s normal to see it all tighten up….

    • @danielgriffith8911
      @danielgriffith8911 6 місяців тому

      I suspect its because older models were thermal-throttled and could only really be used for surfing and light tasks. Minisforum solved the cooling issue for these more powerful machines.

  • @Vole182
    @Vole182 Рік тому

    This looks great, thanks for the rundown and review. I'm looking at this one of these as a 2nd PC/Plex server running with my NAS.

  • @riskin620
    @riskin620 Рік тому +2

    4:12 dropping the screw. Relatable.

  • @syedmdtcd
    @syedmdtcd Рік тому +3

    Esxi 8 doesn't support fling drivers. Hence Realtek ethernet nics are not supported and there is currently no workaround. Except may be using nvme to ethernet adapter. I have a mini pc from topton with i226v ethernet nic. It supports esxi without a single issue. However, sr-iov it is not capable of sr-iov.

    • @abavariannormiepleb9470
      @abavariannormiepleb9470 Рік тому

      My gut tells me VMware will go down the drain after Broadcom gobbled it up. I’m sad about it, too, since Workstation Pro on a desktop has been a nice tool for Normie Plebs to toy around with virtualization and you can even connect it to an ESXi host for management stuff.

  • @fluffyfloof9267
    @fluffyfloof9267 Рік тому +2

    there's an 8 missing, in the title - it's the magnificent UM780 XTX!
    Also, the whole point of the OCuLink port is to avoid cumbersome/ugly/DIY M.2 cheat codes! ;) …for ~65-85 €$ bucks, you can get a 500+W SFX PSU and an OCuLink PCIe socket adaptor - bang, done - eGPU-ready, Gen4 x4! I love this little thing - that's why i've ordered one - the barebone variant, because i've already got a fancy 2TB SSD (4.4 PB TBW), and ordering the RAM i actually want (5600 CL40, rather than "5600 unspecified") separately is cheaper in the end - due in a week or so. …ooh, the antici-.....

    • @chromerims
      @chromerims 9 місяців тому

      How are you liking it?

  • @OLDIRTYPRIEST
    @OLDIRTYPRIEST Рік тому +4

    yoo wait wendel lost weight ive been gone for to long good move my dude

  • @paxdriver
    @paxdriver Рік тому +3

    It would be awesome to see 30 series (practical use case) external gpu on this system. I hope you play with a few GPUs

  • @Marc_Wolfe
    @Marc_Wolfe Рік тому +1

    To quote Wikipeida "OCuLink's popularity lies primarily in its use for PCIe interconnections in servers, a more prevalent application." Let's see a video about that. I assume they're all 'crossover' cables, and we don't have to worry about that; would be pretty stupid otherwise.

  • @fluffyfloof9267
    @fluffyfloof9267 Рік тому +3

    This lil bugger's got 12 RDNA3 compute units - that's a massive upgrade, from my 5600G/Vega7! I think, you're under-rating this fancy little box, Wendel. ;)

    • @cooky842
      @cooky842 Рік тому +1

      Yes! With some fsr or rsr it's pretty good at gaming! 60fps at 1080p medium with fsr is a dream of a apu when you think about it.

  • @paxdriver
    @paxdriver Рік тому

    I've never heard of oculink. Now the only thing I want is oculink. You're an enabler, Wendell lol

  • @mwales2112
    @mwales2112 3 місяці тому +1

    If I were to remove the wifi adapter (I don't use wifi) below the main NVME drive can I use that connection for a smaller storage drive?

  • @abavariannormiepleb9470
    @abavariannormiepleb9470 Рік тому +19

    Curious if that OCuLink port can somehow handle hot-plugging without crashing the system or needing to reboot the OS to detect changed connected devices.

    • @kingkrrrraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa4527
      @kingkrrrraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa4527 Рік тому +6

      I think that is an inherit feature of Oculink.
      It's basically PCIE over a wire and external port.
      You can't hotswap a GPU on a PCIE extension slot so I imagine it's the same reason for Oculink.

    • @marcogenovesi8570
      @marcogenovesi8570 Рік тому

      @@kingkrrrraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa4527 PCIe hotplug is a thing in servers (and in Pcie spec), it's required for hotswapping nvme (u.2/u.3) drives

    • @marcogenovesi8570
      @marcogenovesi8570 Рік тому +8

      I doubt it, but it's theoretically possible. PCIe can support hotplugging but it's rarely if ever done in consumer boards

    • @kingkrrrraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa4527
      @kingkrrrraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa4527 Рік тому

      ​@@marcogenovesi8570I never knew that.
      That's actually pretty cool.
      Is it something the CPU and motherboard board must support or will only certain manufacturers support.
      Or is it a part of the PCIE mandated feature set.

    • @abavariannormiepleb9470
      @abavariannormiepleb9470 Рік тому +2

      Unfortunately it’s certainly not an obligatory feature. i might have a bit of experience with PCIe experimentation…

  • @dgo4490
    @dgo4490 Рік тому

    In this day and age, you'd expect it'd be possible to toggle the "performance" mode on the fly from the GUI on demand. I'd rather not have to reboot each time I have to chose between fast and quiet.

  • @ashleyjwilliamshand
    @ashleyjwilliamshand Рік тому +1

    Not gonna fake the funk. I didn't know I wasn't subscribed till the closer. So used to you guys just showing up on my Firestick youtube splash page in the early AM when I'm closing out the Night.
    EDIT : spellings

  • @QuentinStephens
    @QuentinStephens Рік тому +1

    Never mind a mobile-class GPU, bring on an Oculink dock with a RTX 4090! And hey, is there a PCIe v5 version of Oculink? Four PCIe v5 lanes would have the bandwidth of a v3 x16 slot. With a long enough cable you could make the GPU an accessory of the monitor, not the PC.

  • @svettnabb
    @svettnabb Рік тому

    This is the one I want to buy. Just hoped L1 would do a vid on it.

  • @ciciedee5474
    @ciciedee5474 Рік тому +1

    With 2.5Gig nics, why anything wireless?

  • @chrismartison1455
    @chrismartison1455 5 місяців тому

    Hi, is there anyway you can do a review on the UM PRO 890 with the built in occulink and show currently the best portable eGPU's out there for review??

  • @bobbastian760
    @bobbastian760 7 місяців тому

    Oh the classic screwing in an m.2 and dropping the screw. Captured on video for the first time...

  • @omidyt8260
    @omidyt8260 Рік тому

    Many reviews say these mini pics are unstable and crashes a lot. Minisforum customer service also sucks.

  • @DavidAshwell
    @DavidAshwell Рік тому

    Does Wendell have a new camera or different lighting? Seemed extremely sharp in several shots.

  • @bobgoddard5489
    @bobgoddard5489 11 місяців тому

    That fan you see is the cheapest, nastiest one you will ever find. It lasts about a month of constant usage before it starts screetching.

  • @bobbastian760
    @bobbastian760 7 місяців тому

    I mean why get this not a GPD winmax 2 2023 that you can take with you that also has Oculink built in? 🤔

  • @dexterman6361
    @dexterman6361 Рік тому

    I really wish these enthusiast PCs had coreboot. Man that'd be so great!

  • @DigitalPowertrip
    @DigitalPowertrip 7 місяців тому

    Reading in a lot of places (Amazon lol) that people are having a hard time finding a good OCulink cable... do you have one you can recommend?

  • @L0wPull
    @L0wPull Рік тому +1

    Sadge you get such a restricted bios.. feel a little cheated to not at least get ram timings - you might be limited to 5600, and oc using more V might not be wise for thermals, but there’s simply no good reason not to give access to ram timings beyond CL to allow for optimisation.. pisses me off the same way on performance laptops too, optimising those timings can have tangible benefits…

  • @Gazereths1234
    @Gazereths1234 Рік тому

    How many times did you drop that m.2 screw lol? Seriously though these mini PC's are getting really good. I have a real low spec trigkey? one just for travelling, and it's great, for the under 100 quid I spent on it it does everything I need for a travel PC, including some retro gaming.

  • @ciciedee5474
    @ciciedee5474 Рік тому

    This is a great looking and great sounding video. Not MrLloyd good looking but definitely great.

  • @ImDembe
    @ImDembe Рік тому +1

    Can't wait when they get a 5.0 PCI-E in there for the Oculink, that's the same speed in theory as a PCI-E 3.0 x16 and 4.0 x8 so it shouldent hold back even the fastest gpus today.
    I havent read much about Minisforum, some have had problems but compared to other like chinese mini pcs they give you alot for not much more compared to thouse, for me it's a big no no to order straight form China, import tax makes everything alot more expensive but Minisforum have EU wearehouses = no tax!

  • @salmiakki5638
    @salmiakki5638 Рік тому

    @0:32 I feel to point out that "Veni, vidi, vici" is the original Latin for "I came; I saw; I conquered" :D I have no idea what Wendell has said

    • @Level1Techs
      @Level1Techs  Рік тому +2

      well as long as we're pointing things out www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/dxqiu/til_veni_vidi_vici_is_pronounced_weni_widi_wiki/

    • @salmiakki5638
      @salmiakki5638 Рік тому +1

      @@Level1Techs ooof, thanks then! 😅😂it appears i wasn't too focuse at school when they thaught me the difference from classical and ecclesiastical pronunciation. we went straight to the latter, never questioned again. my bad!

  • @RobertoFabrizi
    @RobertoFabrizi Рік тому

    If only strict point wasn't gonna blow this away in 6 months

  • @mt_kegan512
    @mt_kegan512 Рік тому +1

    Lotta truths here in the comment section. I love the idea, but have you seen the price of oculink to external NVMe enclosures? Im sticking with my microATX cases and half depth server chassis for now. My backplanes aren't as fast (all my servers are at least 3-10 years old) , but i have a LOT of it for CHEAP. Granted, this take probably won't age well LoL

  • @bobgoddard5489
    @bobgoddard5489 11 місяців тому

    Why not start checking the UEFI certs. Those on the UM790 expire in 2 years meaning the system becomes a brick.

  • @mcash2189
    @mcash2189 Рік тому

    before you give it your stamp of approval you need to dump the BIOS and inspect it Minisforum like many of the other Mini PC manufacturers that it flooded the market is based in China now given the track record of Chinese based companies PCS like this could be a risk to your network security

  • @kenyakking
    @kenyakking Рік тому +1

    Wish oculink didn't take up an m.2 slot but this is almost the perfect minipc config 🎉

  • @gregshin168
    @gregshin168 Рік тому

    How's the long-term quality of this brand?

  • @scentilatingone2148
    @scentilatingone2148 8 місяців тому

    When can you buy the MS-01

  • @SirSomnolent
    @SirSomnolent Рік тому

    My minisforum experience: cannot locate bios updates
    All hdmi died 2 days ago when i unplugged a usbc cable

  • @mwales2112
    @mwales2112 3 місяці тому

    Do you have any control over the card in AMD Adrenalin like fan curve, overclocking or under volting when connected through the Oculink cable? Thank you

  • @pauljones9150
    @pauljones9150 Рік тому +1

    1:30 I didn't know that thunderbolt choked on mass syorage devices! Do you think oculink will become more popular over time? Or that thunderbolt 5 will TKO it?

    • @SurvivorNVL
      @SurvivorNVL Рік тому +2

      Oculink is a stop gap for TB5. Oculink itself has been server side / in the server space for many, many years.

    • @MarcelAmmerlaan
      @MarcelAmmerlaan Рік тому

      It's inherently slower due to the extra protection needed: you can connect all kinds of devices, but if they allow direct PCI-e access then they can access all internal memory without protection. Adding this protection is the slowness. Internal busses don't need this. So this is like firewire all over again. In essence: no. Thunderbolt 5 (or 6 or 7) cannot solve this. An external bus with unlimited memory access is not what you want, so you get the protected, and slower, bus on the outside for generic use and the unprotected (and faster one) for very special cases.

    • @mkunikow
      @mkunikow 11 місяців тому

      The oculink in this case is for eGPU. Search itnernet how much faster is oculink over TB4 for eGPU.

  • @MichaelAddlesee
    @MichaelAddlesee 3 місяці тому

    Nah, PCs should be more like 2001 style monoliths so they can be "full of stars" i.e. all sorts of expansion goodies.

  • @tovanche-ramirezfamily2132
    @tovanche-ramirezfamily2132 7 місяців тому

    @Level1Techs Does it come with tons of retro consoles/games? 🎮

  • @gregz83
    @gregz83 11 місяців тому

    Can you confirm if the unit HDMI 2.1 is TDMS or FRL? Can it do 4K @ 120Hz over HDMI?

  • @AladdinPop
    @AladdinPop 10 місяців тому

    Will this mini pc survive a 3090ti and its wattage? Genuine question

  • @Sonic6293
    @Sonic6293 Рік тому +2

    I'd hate to give up storage for what's effectively PCie breakout, so it's a non starter, sadly. If it were inbuilt to the motherboard, I'd give it much more consideration.

  • @LA-MJ
    @LA-MJ Рік тому

    I guess oculink delivers no power, yeah? Unfortunately I see no way to get from m.2 to a 10G NIC without a gpu enclosure, or 4pin sata power... Even though the way I read it m.2 should have enough power for intel chipset

  • @adamhughes5678
    @adamhughes5678 Рік тому

    What cable is needed to run this with GPD g1? 8611 male to 8611 male?

  • @random-zr5km
    @random-zr5km Рік тому

    whats the name of the smaller one in 6:25 ?

  • @SuperCloneRanger
    @SuperCloneRanger Рік тому

    2:40 How would you power sata drives? I had a similar idea to build a NAS around a dell optiplex micro but its DC in and only has a single sata power cable i dont think would handle 4 drivres.

    • @marcogenovesi8570
      @marcogenovesi8570 Рік тому +2

      with another PSU, you can just power on a PSU by using a paper clip to close a contact between two pins in the ATX connector. (the same contact that the motherboard uses to power up the PSU)

    • @MockingTruth
      @MockingTruth Рік тому

      USB to Sata power is your friend

  • @M0rn1n6St4r
    @M0rn1n6St4r Рік тому

    *This is my Minisforum! There are many like it! But, this one is mine! Without me, my Minisforum is useless! Without my Minisforum, I am useless!* - Pvt. Oddjob :-)

  • @Renbits
    @Renbits 11 місяців тому

    whats that lil kbm switcher u used?

  • @JaypegQ
    @JaypegQ Рік тому

    Would someone please test and post results for the UM780 XTX using GPD G1 over OcuLink on VR games/apps? Preferably using a Quest 3 and the new Steam VR app for Quest. Even just HL: Alyx at low graphics settings at 72Hz refresh would be very appreciated, just to see how well it can do the bare minimum. I think it would actually work decently well, as I've been able to use the UM780XTX by itself with HL: Alyx at low settings on Quest 3 with playable frame rates, but I haven't decided on whether to purchase the GPD G1 or to roll my own eGPU and with an Nvidia GPU instead (for improved ray tracing performance).

  • @TrusteftTech
    @TrusteftTech 11 місяців тому

    It's funny to see this APU having double the performance of my i7-5960X. Sad for me, but also funny.

  • @Berecutecu
    @Berecutecu 5 місяців тому

    I think I may missed, does it works with Linux?

    • @Level1Techs
      @Level1Techs  5 місяців тому +1

      Yeah

    • @Berecutecu
      @Berecutecu 5 місяців тому

      @@Level1Techs thank you for getting back to me. Subscribing now, good content and you take time to get back to viewers. Some blogs that I read that tested eGPUs via Oculink in Linux (Kubuntu and OpenSuse) mentioned success with AMD GPUs and were not able at all to get Nvidia working. So, not sure if this is viable using Nvidia. Hope it is, there is a OEM Oculink (TGX) laptop from Lenovo now Thinkbook 14 gen 6+ (some may refer to it as Thinkbook 14+ 2024) and I want to grab one running Linux on it. I didn't see any video effectively running a Nvidia eGPU via Oculink. It is super disappointing that Intel won't going to release Lunar Lake supporting TB5. 😢 cheers

  • @paulb4334
    @paulb4334 Рік тому

    How's miniforum doing with Bios updates?

    • @fluffyfloof9267
      @fluffyfloof9267 Рік тому +2

      there's an update for the UM780 XTX on their website - configure/disable RGB, or something ;)

  • @terrycook2733
    @terrycook2733 Рік тому

    Would you go as far as saying its a media stream deck :D

  • @BigMetalDaddy1301
    @BigMetalDaddy1301 11 місяців тому

    Does anyone know how good the dpc latency is on this one for audio editing?

    • @Level1Techs
      @Level1Techs  11 місяців тому +1

      As this is native pcie for oculink it's going to be lower than thunderbolt but what's a good interface I could get to do this type of testing?

    • @BigMetalDaddy1301
      @BigMetalDaddy1301 11 місяців тому

      @@Level1Techs the motu M2 / M4 series (and everything else by motu) are as solid as it gets when it comes to good audio drivers in windows. I'm fighting dpc latencies with countless laptops now and this minisforum oculink seems to be a great alternative. (just switching from the living room to my home studio and back)

  • @gustersongusterson4120
    @gustersongusterson4120 Рік тому

    Thunderbolt can't die soon enough.

  • @-iIIiiiiiIiiiiIIIiiIi-
    @-iIIiiiiiIiiiiIIIiiIi- 11 місяців тому +3

    8:07 What are you even talking about man? For $629.00?! No, this is way too pricey for just "email and multitasking". There are $130 n100 mini pc machines for that purpose. When you say stuff like that you lose credibility.

  • @mrfilipelaureanoaguiar
    @mrfilipelaureanoaguiar Рік тому

    If i wanted to play lan with my kids and wife, that would be the thing or, four cpu 9 series and top end gpu builds and power Bills 😎

  • @Pacho18
    @Pacho18 Рік тому +1

    OCuLink is a propietary connector. I have two minis forum with MXM connector which are more standarized conector and can connect a riser to a x16 lines of standard PCIe (although just PCIe 3.0 bc haven't found a 4.0 riser and don't think will ever exist at all).

    • @marcogenovesi8570
      @marcogenovesi8570 Рік тому +6

      lol what? Oculink is a standard connector from the same PCI-SIG consortium that created PCI and PCIexpress

  • @nibelungvalesti
    @nibelungvalesti 11 місяців тому

    audio/mic combo is aids, at least on Dells. It never works.

  • @coryhunnicutt123187
    @coryhunnicutt123187 8 місяців тому

    You should do Neil degrasse Tyson impressions you are almost perfect

  • @iEatAnimalz
    @iEatAnimalz 10 місяців тому

    Is this reliable for ps3 and Nintendo switch emulation ?