Remember John in John 1 equates Jesus with the Word who created all things, was with God in the beginning and was God. No where does John state that Jesus is only identified as such because he really speaks good words about God. In fact Jesus is called God's son in John 1 in whom God is well pleased and the Spirit descends on him. What is that spirit if Jesus has the power of God already and that is why He is the word? Jesus was identified by John as the Word before God came down and made His speech. Thus, Jesus was the Word before his baptism. Also see that in the Word (or him) is life. In the power of God is life Then the unitarian presenter shows that John uses words like Word and words or beginning in different ways but makes an argument seemingly that just because John used the same word in another chapter and context that it is a strong argument against The Word being the 2nd person of the Trinity. But let's take his word and see if it works. John 1:1-3 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through him, and without him was not anything made that was made. So we are led to believe that John is saying In the beginning of my gospel was the power of God and the power of God was with God and was God. The power of God was in the beginning of my gospel with God. the power of God was in the beginning of my gospel with God. All things were made through the power of God and without the power of God was not anything that was made. This again makes little sense. It makes much much more sense if in the Beginning was the beginning in Genesis 1. The beginning of the gospel makes no sense here even more so because he brings up the creation of the world in Genesis when he is discussing the beginning. Only 1 of his two meanings makes any sense or is alluded to in the passages based upon its own context.
feel free to come to the live stream...we're live right now. If you can take time to watch the entire stream and type in here, u obviously has enough time to come talk to us live.
It’s truly impressive if you think about it when you listen to a Unitarian and to a trinitarian you will legit think that they don’t have the same religion
@@gabrielaprofetaphillips1740 Yeah I don't think I take you seriously anymore Gabriela, with alll due respect. You sit there in the comments section and leave all these snotty comments and you don't wnat to be confronted on them live on the stage. This whole hit and run attittude won't work with me. If you have to say something, come up on stage live tonight, if not, I don't want to engage with you...thanks and have a great day.
@@gabrielaprofetaphillips1740 Yeah sitting in your chamber there making snotty comments is what most of you guys do. In my opinion, Trinitarians are the most dishonest people on the planet! They butcher the Old Testament, they butcher the New Testament and they only use the Church Fathers when it suits their narrative. They read into the text, and they constantly dance around clear cut explicit passages. Its easier talking to a 5 years old kid probably than you insincere dishonest people! No wonder Christianity is in negative growth and Islam is growing day by day (despite of all the negative propaganda and the lies you guys spew about us...this is the best indication of where truth lies!). But as I said, its much easier sitting in the basement and leave these comments. Nobody has forced you to watch our streams...feel free to unsubscribe.
The word is 100% Christ, Father is Son, and Father is spirit. They all exist with the father. Jesus exists with the Father since b4 creation. Everything that was created, was created for and by him.
@@dotsconnected2islam I has a huge drug addict when I was a muslim and I engaged in deviant sexual behavior. Thankfully I watched your video and reverted back to Christianity. Now that I know that Jesus is God and I am saved, my life has already turned around. May Jesus(God) bless you for your video.
@@dotsconnected2islamBeing high and drunk is the only reason why I stayed a muslim so long. Thank the Lord Jesus Christ that your video reverted me back to Christianity. I will pray that Jesus our God and savior spreads your video far and wide so every muslim will revert back to Christ.
@@yourlocalatheist nah..i dont think there is enough drugs on this planet that can convince a practicing rational muslim to believe in a man to be God.
I like how u skipped all the other verses in the middle and went straight to either 1 or verse 14. Watch the whole video and stop wasting our time with questions or comments that have already been dealt with in the video.
@@dotsconnected2islam how do you do mental gymnastics over the word being the Son of God ( Jesus) and being in flesh and dwelling among us. Jesus is the word which is God ( John 1:1).
@nothingnothing7958 do u even know our argument? Before accusing someone...know their argument first...else u look like an idiot. Mental gymnastics is what Christians do...thats not our job. As i said stop wasting our time and watch the video and part 1...and if u still have any contentions...come to the live stream... Coz i don't have time for this whole back and forth on the comments section.
Perhaps maybe paying some attention to how the old testament spoke of THE WORD OF THE LORD .... The Dabr YHWH wasn't a power ..... he was the embodied YHWH, it's everywhere throughout the old testament .. The word is shown as visible to the human eye, the word stands on legs and feet, he calls and speaks with his mouth, he uses hands to touch , has personhood and creative power all clearly identified in the Old testament text. *Visible and Tangible Presence* - Genesis 15:1 - "After these things the word(dabar) of the LORD came to Abram in a vision" - 1 Samuel 3:1 - "And the word of the LORD was rare in those days; there was no frequent vision" - 1 Samuel 3:19 - "for the LORD revealed himself to Samuel at Shiloh by the word of the LORD" - 1 Kings 16:1-2 - The word of the LORD came to Jehu, addressing him directly about his actions. - 1 Kings 18:1-2 - The word of the LORD came to Elijah, instructing him to go and show himself to Ahab. *Direct Communication* - 1 Kings 19:9 - "There he came to a cave and lodged in it. And behold, the word of the LORD came to him, and he said to him, 'What are you doing here, Elijah?'" - Jeremiah 2:1 - "The word of the LORD came to me, saying" - Jeremiah 1:4 - "Now the word of the LORD came to me, saying, - Jeremiam 1:11 - "Moreover the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, Jeremiah, what seest thou? And I said, I see a rod of an almond tree." - Genesis 15:1 - "Fear not, Abram, I am your shield; your reward shall be very great." *Has arms, hands, legs and feet* - 1 Samuel 3:8 "Now Samuel did not yet know the LORD, neither was the word of the LORD yet revealed unto him." - 1 Samuel 3:10 - "And the LORD came and stood, calling as at other times" - Jeremiah 1:4 "Then the word of the LORD came unto me, saying," - Jeremiah 1:9 - "Then the LORD put out his hand and touched my mouth. And the LORD said to me" *Creative Power, personhood and gender* - Psalm 33:6 - "By the word of the LORD the heavens were made, and by the breath of his mouth all their host." - Jeremiah 1:4 - "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you" - Jeremiah 1:5 - "See, I have set you this day over nations and over kingdoms, to pluck up and to break down, to destroy and to overthrow, to build and to plant." - Numbers 15:31 - "Because he has despised the word of the LORD and has broken his commandment, that person shall be utterly cut off; his iniquity shall be on him."
Perhaps consider coming to the live streams instead of writing and essay on here that i will never read in a million years. Thanks for wasting your time though.
@@dotsconnected2islam You posted a 45 minute recording from six days ago on a global platform … your first speaker spends 15 minutes before summarising with “the word of God was speaking power and creative power it’s not a person it’s an attribute of God“ The “essay” is a summary of passages that show that statement to be profoundly uneducated . You didn’t have the attention span to read about a minutes worth of writing how on earth would you get through the Old Testament
@@dotsconnected2islam You posted a recording of a live steam on a global platform I replied 6 days after …. The “essay” is a response to the first presenters 15 minutes where he talks about the word being Gods creative power and voice … The “essay” are simple passages from the Old Testament that show the first presenter was profoundly uneducated in the Old Testament . “An attribute of God” …with Arms , hands , feet, visible that engages in 2 way conversation … but it’s not a person It’s about a 1 minute read if you didn’t have the attention span to read that then I doubt you’d have much luck reading a single book of the Old Testament
When someone reaches out and touches your mouth with their hand you can assume they have arms connected to a body. When they stand over you you can assume their feet and legs are connected to a body also. When they have a conversation with you where they hear and speak you can assume their mouth and ears are part of a head connected to a body. The word does all of these things in the Old Testament many times.
read John 1:1-2. Would this make any sense if the word is the power of God? "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. No. Let's try it. ""In the beginning was the (power of God), and the (power of God) was with God, and the (power of God) was God. 2 (The power of God) was in the beginning with God. I guess the first part makes sense but why say it? If God is there then his power is also. The power of God was thus with God but again why even say this? Would anyone think that God would be without the power of God? But the real rub is the third one. What would it mean for the power of God to be God? And then we get the power of God is in the beginning with God again. And another issue would be how the power of God would thus be treated as a person. And then as we see this power of God (But not god himself) becomes flesh? So is Jesus some power that God sent down and not man or God? But then the Word in John 1 is clearly identified as Jesus. He was a man. He proved that. Eating, drinking, growing tired, suffering, dying, etc. So all of John 1 makes no sense if read in a Unitarian way. Maybe John did not mean himself Nicene trinitarianism. But it is clear that he meant to show that the Word was a person and God and that person became flesh and dwelt among us as Jesus. The tie is in that the Word is the one that comes in which John i not worthy to untie his sandals and then John says that one is Jesus.
Lol who the heck are you dude? I don't even know you to be "running away" from you lol. If you wanna debate me, i'll be on a live stream tonight in a few hours on my channel. Feel free to stop by, else stop wasting my time with this whole infantile back and forth here on the comments section. I am at least on 2 channels every week (Dawah over Dunya and Dots Connected 2 Islam). And we always ask people that if they want, they can have a 1-on-1 debate with any of his on the panel while the others won't participate at all in teh conversation. If you want to debate me, you already know my name and you can ask for a 1-on-1 with me.
".... and the Word was God." "He who has seen me has seen the Father." "... and you will see the Son of Man coming in the clouds at the right hand of the Father". This last one was what got him crucified! The Jews knew exactly what he was saying. Jesus knew exactly what he was saying. Dont over complicate Jesus very simple words. And dont try to put the entirety of God's being in a human defined box. The infinite person cannot be represented adequately by any human concept of logic. God came down as a dove. Its best that you just believe the Word as he provided it.
@@dotsconnected2islam it appears you DO spend alot of time debating within the comments section. Your comments are everywhere? Why do you lie, even about that???
@@r.fortner4661 nop...i respond to comments but i dont debate...coz they keep going back and forth and go absolutely nowhere. I like to see people like u wetting their pants live and expose you and ur bretheren. Now stop running and show up to the live debates and stop pissing ur pants. If u want it will be just u and me and no one else will talk. Pray to ur Holy spook to give u some courage ... I'll be waiting 😉
@@r.fortner4661 i wont debate u on the comments section...but i will continue to ask u to stop running! Come to the live stream tonight...crawl out of that hole for once...try a few hail marys.. might help before joining.
It’s not “Trinitarian community”. We are called CHRISTIANS!
Sorry i slipped...i meant to say "Pagans community". Different flavors of the same paganism leading to hellfire:
1. Christianity: Father, Son, Holy Spirit.
2. Egyptians (Amun, Re, Ptah)
3. Babylonians (Nanna, Shamash, Ishtar)
4. Hinduism (Brahman = Brahma, Vishnu & Shiva).
5. Greeks - Hecate - "Tripple headed & goddess of the triple ways".
6. Romans - Diva Triformis.
7. North Western European tribes - Matronae = 3 female dieties.
8. Persians - "Ahura-Mazda, Anahita & Mithra".
Remember John in John 1 equates Jesus with the Word who created all things, was with God in the beginning and was God. No where does John state that Jesus is only identified as such because he really speaks good words about God. In fact Jesus is called God's son in John 1 in whom God is well pleased and the Spirit descends on him. What is that spirit if Jesus has the power of God already and that is why He is the word? Jesus was identified by John as the Word before God came down and made His speech. Thus, Jesus was the Word before his baptism. Also see that in the Word (or him) is life. In the power of God is life
Then the unitarian presenter shows that John uses words like Word and words or beginning in different ways but makes an argument seemingly that just because John used the same word in another chapter and context that it is a strong argument against The Word being the 2nd person of the Trinity.
But let's take his word and see if it works. John 1:1-3
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through him, and without him was not anything made that was made.
So we are led to believe that John is saying
In the beginning of my gospel was the power of God and the power of God was with God and was God. The power of God was in the beginning of my gospel with God. the power of God was in the beginning of my gospel with God. All things were made through the power of God and without the power of God was not anything that was made.
This again makes little sense. It makes much much more sense if in the Beginning was the beginning in Genesis 1. The beginning of the gospel makes no sense here even more so because he brings up the creation of the world in Genesis when he is discussing the beginning.
Only 1 of his two meanings makes any sense or is alluded to in the passages based upon its own context.
feel free to come to the live stream...we're live right now. If you can take time to watch the entire stream and type in here, u obviously has enough time to come talk to us live.
It’s truly impressive if you think about it when you listen to a Unitarian and to a trinitarian you will legit think that they don’t have the same religion
They do not. Unitarians are not Christians.
Cause we don’t. They, Unitarians, are heretics.
We don’t. They, Unitarians, are her*tics.
This was refreshing, barak'Allahu feekum. May Allah guide him, I will be using his argument
وفيكَ بَارَكَ الله
@@dotsconnected2islamJohn 1:14 identifies Jesus as the Word which is God.
@nothingnothing7958 watch the whole video...we already answered that. Also watch the Part 1 of this video.
@@gabrielaprofetaphillips1740 Yeah I don't think I take you seriously anymore Gabriela, with alll due respect. You sit there in the comments section and leave all these snotty comments and you don't wnat to be confronted on them live on the stage. This whole hit and run attittude won't work with me. If you have to say something, come up on stage live tonight, if not, I don't want to engage with you...thanks and have a great day.
@@gabrielaprofetaphillips1740 Yeah sitting in your chamber there making snotty comments is what most of you guys do. In my opinion, Trinitarians are the most dishonest people on the planet! They butcher the Old Testament, they butcher the New Testament and they only use the Church Fathers when it suits their narrative. They read into the text, and they constantly dance around clear cut explicit passages. Its easier talking to a 5 years old kid probably than you insincere dishonest people! No wonder Christianity is in negative growth and Islam is growing day by day (despite of all the negative propaganda and the lies you guys spew about us...this is the best indication of where truth lies!). But as I said, its much easier sitting in the basement and leave these comments. Nobody has forced you to watch our streams...feel free to unsubscribe.
The word is 100% Christ, Father is Son, and Father is spirit. They all exist with the father. Jesus exists with the Father since b4 creation. Everything that was created, was created for and by him.
Wow great work guys. I was a muslim before watching this video and now I have accepted Jesus Christ as God. All glory be to Christ.
Stop sniffing paint and watch the presentation again when you're not high
@@dotsconnected2islam I has a huge drug addict when I was a muslim and I engaged in deviant sexual behavior. Thankfully I watched your video and reverted back to Christianity. Now that I know that Jesus is God and I am saved, my life has already turned around. May Jesus(God) bless you for your video.
@yourlocalatheist anyone starting their sentence with "I has a huge drug addict..." is definitely still high and perhaps drunk too.
@@dotsconnected2islamBeing high and drunk is the only reason why I stayed a muslim so long. Thank the Lord Jesus Christ that your video reverted me back to Christianity. I will pray that Jesus our God and savior spreads your video far and wide so every muslim will revert back to Christ.
@@yourlocalatheist nah..i dont think there is enough drugs on this planet that can convince a practicing rational muslim to believe in a man to be God.
John 1:14 identifies Jesus as the Logos.
Exactly.
It's so obvious and right there.
I like how u skipped all the other verses in the middle and went straight to either 1 or verse 14. Watch the whole video and stop wasting our time with questions or comments that have already been dealt with in the video.
@@dotsconnected2islam how do you do mental gymnastics over the word being the Son of God ( Jesus) and being in flesh and dwelling among us. Jesus is the word which is God ( John 1:1).
@nothingnothing7958 do u even know our argument? Before accusing someone...know their argument first...else u look like an idiot. Mental gymnastics is what Christians do...thats not our job. As i said stop wasting our time and watch the video and part 1...and if u still have any contentions...come to the live stream... Coz i don't have time for this whole back and forth on the comments section.
Perhaps maybe paying some attention to how the old testament spoke of THE WORD OF THE LORD ....
The Dabr YHWH wasn't a power ..... he was the embodied YHWH, it's everywhere throughout the old testament ..
The word is shown as visible to the human eye, the word stands on legs and feet, he calls and speaks with his mouth, he uses hands to touch , has personhood and creative power all clearly identified in the Old testament text.
*Visible and Tangible Presence*
- Genesis 15:1 - "After these things the word(dabar) of the LORD came to Abram in a vision"
- 1 Samuel 3:1 - "And the word of the LORD was rare in those days; there was no frequent vision"
- 1 Samuel 3:19 - "for the LORD revealed himself to Samuel at Shiloh by the word of the LORD"
- 1 Kings 16:1-2 - The word of the LORD came to Jehu, addressing him directly about his actions.
- 1 Kings 18:1-2 - The word of the LORD came to Elijah, instructing him to go and show himself to Ahab.
*Direct Communication*
- 1 Kings 19:9 - "There he came to a cave and lodged in it. And behold, the word of the LORD came to him, and he said to him, 'What are you doing here, Elijah?'"
- Jeremiah 2:1 - "The word of the LORD came to me, saying"
- Jeremiah 1:4 - "Now the word of the LORD came to me, saying,
- Jeremiam 1:11 - "Moreover the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, Jeremiah, what seest thou? And I said, I see a rod of an almond tree."
- Genesis 15:1 - "Fear not, Abram, I am your shield; your reward shall be very great."
*Has arms, hands, legs and feet*
- 1 Samuel 3:8 "Now Samuel did not yet know the LORD, neither was the word of the LORD yet revealed unto him."
- 1 Samuel 3:10 - "And the LORD came and stood, calling as at other times"
- Jeremiah 1:4 "Then the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,"
- Jeremiah 1:9 - "Then the LORD put out his hand and touched my mouth. And the LORD said to me"
*Creative Power, personhood and gender*
- Psalm 33:6 - "By the word of the LORD the heavens were made, and by the breath of his mouth all their host."
- Jeremiah 1:4 - "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you"
- Jeremiah 1:5 - "See, I have set you this day over nations and over kingdoms, to pluck up and to break down, to destroy and to overthrow, to build and to plant."
- Numbers 15:31 - "Because he has despised the word of the LORD and has broken his commandment, that person shall be utterly cut off; his iniquity shall be on him."
Exactly!!! Unitarians are heretics.
Perhaps consider coming to the live streams instead of writing and essay on here that i will never read in a million years. Thanks for wasting your time though.
@@dotsconnected2islam
You posted a 45 minute recording from six days ago on a global platform … your first speaker spends 15 minutes before summarising with “the word of God was speaking power and creative power it’s not a person it’s an attribute of God“
The “essay” is a summary of passages that show that statement to be profoundly uneducated .
You didn’t have the attention span to read about a minutes worth of writing how on earth would you get through the Old Testament
@@dotsconnected2islam
You posted a recording of a live steam on a global platform I replied 6 days after ….
The “essay” is a response to the first presenters 15 minutes where he talks about the word being Gods creative power and voice …
The “essay” are simple passages from the Old Testament that show the first presenter was profoundly uneducated in the Old Testament .
“An attribute of God” …with Arms , hands , feet, visible that engages in 2 way conversation … but it’s not a person
It’s about a 1 minute read if you didn’t have the attention span to read that then I doubt you’d have much luck reading a single book of the Old Testament
When someone reaches out and touches your mouth with their hand you can assume they have arms connected to a body.
When they stand over you you can assume their feet and legs are connected to a body also.
When they have a conversation with you where they hear and speak you can assume their mouth and ears are part of a head connected to a body.
The word does all of these things in the Old Testament many times.
read John 1:1-2. Would this make any sense if the word is the power of God?
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God.
No. Let's try it.
""In the beginning was the (power of God), and the (power of God) was with God, and the (power of God) was God. 2 (The power of God) was in the beginning with God.
I guess the first part makes sense but why say it? If God is there then his power is also. The power of God was thus with God but again why even say this? Would anyone think that God would be without the power of God? But the real rub is the third one. What would it mean for the power of God to be God? And then we get the power of God is in the beginning with God again.
And another issue would be how the power of God would thus be treated as a person. And then as we see this power of God (But not god himself) becomes flesh? So is Jesus some power that God sent down and not man or God? But then the Word in John 1 is clearly identified as Jesus. He was a man. He proved that. Eating, drinking, growing tired, suffering, dying, etc. So all of John 1 makes no sense if read in a Unitarian way.
Maybe John did not mean himself Nicene trinitarianism. But it is clear that he meant to show that the Word was a person and God and that person became flesh and dwelt among us as Jesus. The tie is in that the Word is the one that comes in which John i not worthy to untie his sandals and then John says that one is Jesus.
Show up on live stream and bring all these contentions... I'll deal with them one by one...i don't do comment debates.
Yaweh is Christ, no man has seen the Father but the son.
Why are you running from a debate on claims you made?? Over 1,000 people have seen you run already. 🤡
Lol who the heck are you dude? I don't even know you to be "running away" from you lol. If you wanna debate me, i'll be on a live stream tonight in a few hours on my channel. Feel free to stop by, else stop wasting my time with this whole infantile back and forth here on the comments section. I am at least on 2 channels every week (Dawah over Dunya and Dots Connected 2 Islam). And we always ask people that if they want, they can have a 1-on-1 debate with any of his on the panel while the others won't participate at all in teh conversation. If you want to debate me, you already know my name and you can ask for a 1-on-1 with me.
".... and the Word was God." "He who has seen me has seen the Father." "... and you will see the Son of Man coming in the clouds at the right hand of the Father". This last one was what got him crucified! The Jews knew exactly what he was saying. Jesus knew exactly what he was saying. Dont over complicate Jesus very simple words. And dont try to put the entirety of God's being in a human defined box. The infinite person cannot be represented adequately by any human concept of logic. God came down as a dove. Its best that you just believe the Word as he provided it.
you have no clue what you're saying. Show up on the live stage and I'll happily educate you. I don't do comment debates.
@@dotsconnected2islam it appears you DO spend alot of time debating within the comments section. Your comments are everywhere? Why do you lie, even about that???
@@r.fortner4661 nop...i respond to comments but i dont debate...coz they keep going back and forth and go absolutely nowhere. I like to see people like u wetting their pants live and expose you and ur bretheren. Now stop running and show up to the live debates and stop pissing ur pants. If u want it will be just u and me and no one else will talk. Pray to ur Holy spook to give u some courage ... I'll be waiting 😉
@@dotsconnected2islam and yet you continue debating and debating via comments. I'll bet you can't stop either.
@@r.fortner4661 i wont debate u on the comments section...but i will continue to ask u to stop running! Come to the live stream tonight...crawl out of that hole for once...try a few hail marys.. might help before joining.
*_A brilliant synopsis._*