Fractal FM3 vs Line 6 Helix: which one to buy?
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- Опубліковано 2 чер 2024
- In this video we will share a direct comparison between the Line 6 Helix LT and the Fractal FM3. First of all we will share a demo song hearing the two units in action, then we will compare the main characteristics of the two units with the help of a very detailed comparison chart, then we will hear more sounds in a dedicated section of this video and finally I will give you my two cents. So, I hope you enjoy and please don’t forget to subscribe and hit the bell, as it’s gonna really help me to make more video like this!!!
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Timecodes
0:00 - INTRO (FRACTAL FM3 vs LINE 6 HELIX)
0:59 - DEMO SONG (FRACTAL FM3 vs LINE 6 HELIX head to head)
3:39 - COMPARISON CHART (FRACTAL FM3 vs LINE 6 HELIX)
8:57 - MORE SOUNDS (FRACTAL FM3 vs LINE 6 HELIX)
12:26 - MY 2 CENTS
#FM3 #HELIX
Hi guitar friends, here you can find the demo song played just with real amps (Soldano SLO 100 )and cabs(Celestion V30): ua-cam.com/video/IGpRCdDHwi8/v-deo.html
I hope you enjoy!!!
Your demos have really helped me make some good choices, thanks Leo!
You are more than welcome, and I'm happy to have been of some help!
Hey Leo, I realize I'm posting on a nearly 2-year-old video, but I have to tell you how much I appreciate your channel. Your playing and compositions are top notch, you're organized and very thorough, and I always appreciate your two cents. I'm still torn between the Helix LT and the FM3, but that's not your fault! Best wishes from Tennessee, USA.
Hi Ian, I'm super happy that you like the videos!!! Your feedback is very important for me!
It's an hard decision! I hope you will find the key to solve the problem!
Love your comparison videos keep em coming my friend.
Thank you, I'm really happy that you enjoyed the video!!!!
Thanks from Chile 🥃You are so patiente. Lots of work doing those vids. Congrats 👌🙏🏻👏👏👏
Thank you Francisco, really appreciated!
I have the helix floor and really love it. It's allowed me to explore signal chains I'd never have the chance to otherwise. That FM9 looks might nice now. Your demo songs are next level.
Thank you, I'm super happy that you like my music!!!
Very nice demo (as always ;) ) Thank you !
You are welcome Claude!!! I'm happy you like it!!
Another great video, Leo, and beautiful song. UA-cam audio compression tend to hide a bit the differences, IMHO. Do you ever use the PRS (Paul's guitar I think) that appears as a nice decoration in the videos? Thank you again for your videos!
Thank you!!! Your appreciation of my song, really makes me happy!!
I actually use few times the PRS in my demo song...I should use it more...Here you can find one of my very very old videos where I used it: ua-cam.com/video/20n5GWuVJ0A/v-deo.html
Thank you!!!
Awesome review 😊😊
One thing I would love to mention here is to also compare the dynamic response on the units. Because for me, the feel of the tone is as important as it sounds😊❤ please do mention about the dynamic feel of the units in upcoming future comparison. Would be very helpful 😊🙏
Hi thank you, really appreciated!!!
I've done few videos just dedicated to feel and response of some of these units, maybe I will do one dedicated also to these two. Thank you for your suggestion!!
@@LeoGibsonGtr That would be awesome 😊🙏❤🎸
Didn't finish the video just yet, can't stop repeating that demo song! 😍
Thank you!!! When you like my music ... I'm really happy!!! I will update a separate version of the demo song using just real amps and cabs!!! Stay tuned...😊
@@LeoGibsonGtr There's so much emotion in your playing and in the music. It's inspiring!
This is really a great great compliment!!! Thank you so much!!
You and your twin are both great guitar players 😀. Thank you for the comparison.
😊 Thank you Erin, really appreciated !!!
these are the best and most reliable demos
and quite tasteful music
good on you Leo
Thank you Anthony, your feedback and support is super important for me!!! And when you like my music...I'm super happy!!!
Hi, Leo! another great video mate. I got a Helix, but really thinking about getting the FM9. FM3 can get 2 cabs at once, but the LT can get 2 amps and cabs in parallel or serie in the same preset at the same time or not, that's the reason why I choose the Helix instead of FM3. Keep the good work. Cheers!!!
Hi, thank you for sharing! You are right, the FM3 does not allow to load to amps in the chain, but the FM9 overcome this limitation.
Thank you!
I appreciate your systematic and humble presentation
So many utube gear commentators use their vids as an opportunity to show off how great they are
And even though I quite enjoy your demo songs at times I think they are bit too long
I can’t understand why any one would need 273 amps to choose from surely you need only one or two really good ones
I wish Fractal would bring out a stripped back model that focussed more on playability and effects than amps
Hi, thank you so much for your feedback!
Yes, some videos are long, especially the comparison ones. I can reduce the time, but I think that at the end you are free to watch the sections that are more interesting for you. Having a long video allows you to have a single place where you can find many info. Therefore at the end I decided to keep this format, especially for comparison videos, that are the ones the in the long run get the most views.
Thank you!
Leo: great comparison as usual.
One technical note: your V30 IR has clearly a bit les high end than the miked sound. Easily tweakable on a recording. My point is: is there any bandwidth limitation on the IR building? Was it made from the same V30 speaker? I have two V30 and they have a very distinguishable high end...
I came to the same conclusion you did. Great demo song as usual. I'm a huge SLO100 fan and you got a consistently similar tone from all sources. Hard to tell them apart in mix, but FM3 was a tiny bit better isolated. The lack of a built in expression pedal hurts the FM3 as an all in one for live use. The FM3, with the expansion buttons and expression pedal could eliminate all my real amps in my music room. God bless and rock on 😎🎸👍
Thank you, I'm really happy that you enjoyed the song...soon a video just with that song and the real amps..
Leo, Love the demo song you played in this video! I like the Helix has more foot switches and expression pedal all ready there without having to purchase them separately. The FM9 is out now with more switches, but no expression pedal. LoL!
Thank you, I'm super happy that you like my music!!! Thank you also for sharing your opinions!
Great like always😀😊👍all the best .You deserves more subscribers 💪Mr Leo how long you playing guitar?are you self learner?or after music school?love your playing
Hi, thank you so much!!! When you like my music and my playing .... I'm really happy!!! I play guitar since many many years...since I was more or less 10 years old...😊.
I've studied classical guitar when I was a child and then I've taken some guitar lessons when I felt stuck...and I've been graduated in jazz guitar at a music academy when I was 20 (more or less).
Thank you for your interest!!!
Thank you for answer 😊you are great player👍I know it’s takes lot of hours to play like you ,it’s no easy way😊love your channel 👍great job👍
Thank you, your feedback and appreciation are a great reward!!!
Another awesome video, thanks! This channel keeps being great.
Here is what I think: I, personally, regard "tweakability" not as an advantage but as a disadvantage. I haven't understood the point of it up to this day. Either an amp model (that's all I am asking of a modeller) is "ready", like a real amp, or it is not. Minor tweaks should be enough. Everything else destroys my inspiration. Maybe this is just me but that was the main reason I returned to real amps or Kempers for recording. This being said: both units sounded great in the video, of course. The Helix was the better Soldano but (here is the point again:) you could tweak both to sound the same or similar 😉.
Hi, thank you, really appreciated!!! I see your point...I also have times where I need something plug & play to get inspired and other where I want to explore options amps effects and so on...
Thank you once more!!!
It's just you.
I like more options.
1. Improvement on editing section makes enjoyable watching experiences
2. All those tones coming from all of the unit is very pleasant to ear (especially soldano tones coming from Helix!), I believe those awesome ability coming from those amp nerdy of you that you mentioned before
3. Great song to be choosen to demonstrate those beautiful tones! what is the name of that song btw?
4. I do congratulate you for take Helix to the next level tones generator, I do noticed that you applying "lower master parameter tricks" to makes Helix sounds good in the Helix parameter display section
5. By using those trick, you definitely listen to your viewer suggestion and being an open minded creator with good attitude
6. Great content as always, especially this amp modeler comparison that give insight for potential buyer like me!
7. Enjoyed watching your videos more than before and always looking out for your next great video content, keep the hard work Leo sir! Cheers from Indonesia ❤️💪🥇
Thank you, your appreciation of my video and my music is really important for me!!!!
Amazing job.
Thank you Marcelo, appreciated!!!
Love your videos
Thank you, I'm happy you like the videos!!!
Great demo! I got to say Helix Soldano is more true to the original than FM3, so I guess it is the winner in that. But I would rather use the FM3 in my music, I like that sound :)
Thank you, both for the compliments (that really means a lot to me) and for sharing your opinion!
great job. the cleans needed a little more eq for the bass and mids on the Helix to match the others. I think the moral of the story is that both devices are comparable and can sound great. Both devices are winners as is the song. I have both and prefer the easier layout of the Helix footswitch design. The default patches for the Helix are not as good as Fractals but Leo showed us here that it certainly can be done.
Thank you Dean, really appreciated!!! Thank you also for sharing your opinion!
Great comparison, and playing as usual. How about the newer FM3 2 Turbo?
Thank you so much!
Unfortunately I don't have the FM3 turbo.....I'm sorry!
Thank you Leo
Hi Fred, my pleasure!!!
I think sound is the easiest thing to achieve in a modeller, especially in a band mix. In fact, you had the sounds dialed in so well that I could not tell when you were switching between products. So to me the most important thing is feel. How does it react to my playing? What kind of dynamic response does it have? Etc.
In your opinion, which one felt better?
Hi, I see what you mean. For instance I've done few videos dedicated to the "feel" and here you can check out one of them: ua-cam.com/video/dCOoxrkCm5M/v-deo.html
I've not done yet a direct test about feel comparing the FM3 vs the Helix. They are both great unit, but to answer I would need to do a direct test...maybe in one of my future videos.
Thank you for your message and your suggestion!
Both sound good, it really depends mainly on the guitarist's ability to tune the sound.
Hi, thank you for sharing your opinion! Here I've tried to use the same setting of the real amp, to give you an idea of the "starting point".
I have the LT. In the mix, this quite hard to tell the difference between the units. Then, isolated, it seems to me that the FM3 is a tiny bit superior : it delivers more spacy, wide "wellatease" sound in the spectrum. Apart from that, I am the kind of guy for whom to much tweaking possibilities are not suitable as I'd get lost in space ! :-D (I'm trying to overcome my nerdiness !!). And for the rest, having an expression pedal is to me a key point. Essential. Congrats for your song which is beautiful with cool vibes (much appreciated in these days). Take care !
Thank you for sharing your opinion! And you appreciation of my song really means a lot to me!!!
You nailed it. A lot of guitar player just say helix is brighter and axe fx has more low mids but the real difference I hear is the spaciness that you described. I really like it but it seems to be slightly overdone but the helix sounds congested in comparison.
great video like you said its a matter of what you prefer.
Thank you, I'm happy you like the video!
@@LeoGibsonGtr I did I was thinking about the fm3 but it seems nice but I really dont need it,it will be overkill for me.I might down the road just to learn how to use it and get tech savy but im good for now and your video didnt make a VS type of scenario.You made great points for each of them.
I guess being in India Line 6 availability and reliability would be better suited for me!
Your videos have been helping my purchase decision!
Could you also do a video on Multi FX processor (with Amp/cab and IR capabilities) best suited for Beginners?
Hi, thank you for letting me know!!! I'm really happy to have been of some help!!!
@@LeoGibsonGtr yes you have been and all my friends also have been watching your videos to get a better idea about which guitar gear to spend on!
Thank you, I'm really happy for that!
Thank you from Ukraine. We have not yet sold these devices, there are no reviews in Russian. An automatic translator helps. Thanks again, very technically sound review.
You are welcome! Thank you for your message!
Thanks for the informative video(s) leo! Cheers! Will you buy the fm9? 🍺
Thank you, I'm super happy that you like the videos! Well, I would not buy it If it wasn't for the channel...I'm in the waiting list and I will decide when my turn will arrive...but I'm more on the "not to buy" side then the "buy" one...
Thank you for your message!
Thanx Leo!
You are more than welcome!!!
I dont remember any of your videos where the modelers sounded so close to each other and the real amp. The only reason I would choose the Fractal is the number of amps and the sound quality of those. I would use this for recording or practice, and probably not live. The helix was excellent and deserves a close 2nd place.
Thank you for sharing your opinion! In my opinion they are pretty close as regards the soldano sound, and they sound pretty different for the Fender Deluxe. I think that also the fact that I'm using the same IRs is helping the units to sound more similar.
Thank you!
Very nice playing
Thank you, really appreciated!!!
Hi Leo. when you compare 2 multifx units sounds, you use the same exact chain in each multifx? How do you tweak parameters in amp models of each unit to make them sound practically the same?
Hi, in this specific video I'm using the same setting of the real amp also for the modellers, sharing the same IRs. In my last videos I'm doing the same thing, but also let you hearing the modeller after having tweaked the settings in order to get as close as possible to the real deal. Furthermore, in my last videos I'm also using specific "riff" to check out the frequency response, the dynamic range management, and the tone envelop of the modellers vs the real deal.
Another really good demo video from you. Made some interesting contrasting points that would apply to the vast majority of guitar players who would be in the market for such a device. I am more interested in the cleaner tone side of things so the Dlx Rev demo was somewhat illuminating. Neither unit really matched up that well with the Fender. Would give a slight edge to the FM3 on that one. The girth of the mid-range was somewhat missing especially from the Helix LT (sounded kind of thin). Not sure if any tweaks would help from either unit. Maybe you could comment on that. On another note, I think that a video on playback systems for modeler(s) of this type would be very interesting and informative. Yes a decent modeler now can come close to many real amps including the tube variety and in a studio or home setting you may already have a monitor system in place, however for the avg gigging musician you still may have to cart around a power amped/cab or FRFR type powered speakers etc. etc. I see many questions regarding this on manufacturers forums. Maybe you could produce a video on this if you haven't already.
Hi Harry, thank you so much both for the compliments and for sharing your opinions and experiences! Yes, tweaking you can get closer to the Dlx, even if let me say that I experienced exactly what your saying...as regards the playback systems, you are right...it could be an interesting topic. The problem is that I would need to get some FRFR speaker and the good ones are not cheap...maybe in future I will be able to get some second hand occasions.
Thank you once more for your message and sorry for the late answer!
Great video! I already have the helix, and planing to swap itu to fm3 do you think its worth it?
Well, being an amp nerd, I slightly prefer the FM3 for it's incredible level of tweakablity ... it's a platform to learn how amps work...on the other hand you need to spend time and it offers less footswitches...
Thank you for your message!
You could show the same solo in different cabinet emulations
Yes, good idea...thanks!
I just wanna know which one has better effects. Delay, modulation and overdrive.
I always use external reverb with any modeler anyway.
Hi Red, I think that both are good options...the FM3 and Fractal in general has a great reputation as regards effects...for instance also Steve Vai uses the Fractal effects.
Thank you for your message!
Whatever you ended up getting I'm sure you're loving. Both are amazing in that regards.
Really surprised by how good the Helix sounded!
Hi, thank you for sharing your opinion!
nice! I have the helix for 3yrs now... tried other brands...went back to helix
Hi, thank you!! Thank you also for sharing your experience!
Man the clean deluxe reverb sounded so much better on the FM3. Maybe the Helix wasn't set up as well?
Hi, in this video (to avoid Bias) I set up both the units with the same settings of the real amp.
Thank you for sharing your opinion!
Having had both units, the FM3 sounds and feels more realistic, generally speaking.
Hi Jay, thank you for sharing your opinion!
thanks for sharing, even if it's a shitty opinion like this. Thanks!
I think they can both sounds good and strictly in terms of sounds in a mix they can be indistinguishable...however I never understood the fractal policy, I mean you have only to purchase online and if you are an American citizen you can have it for 1000 USD, if you want to purchase in Europe you need to pay 1349 instead 882, EUR...why???
Hi, I think the the 1000 USD are without taxes, where the 1349 are taxes included...not sure...
Thank you for your message!
I don't understand, which one is better?
Amazing playing, more impressive than the modellers hahaha
😊 Thank Joshua, really super appreciated!!!! 👍🏻🎸
I agree with you Leo the helix sounds better than the fractal but the fm3 is usable somehow cause the sound is better so if I had to choose I'd pick the one I'll buy without hesitation or maybe the Quad cortex finally not sure cause some mooer ge300 sounds are great too,but nothing sounds like a real amp imho.hope it helps
Ok, thank you for sharing your opinion!
Make video with neural DSP. Thx.
Hi, I'm waiting for the quad cortex....It should arrive at the end of November...stay tuned!
@@LeoGibsonGtr What about neural dsp plugins?
Hi, I did a video comparison of Marshall Plexiglas plugin also with the neural dsp Fortin, that you can check out here: ua-cam.com/video/eCYYNT84Hpw/v-deo.html
Maybe I will do more videos in the future, thank you for your suggestion!
@@LeoGibsonGtr Thank you!
Soldano: Helix wins. Fender: FM3 wins.
Hi, than you for sharing your opinions!
By the way...I do agree with your....😊
lets w8 for the quad cortex then ;)
Yes...they told me that I should get my within November....I hope so...
They are a bit late on the schedule afaik ,lets se 😊
Hi Christian, they have just confirmed me that my unit should be sent to me within the end of november....I hope....
@@LeoGibsonGtr let’s see,sono curioso
That's a really great review. I've owned both - I prefer the FM3 sound and actually found it to be quite intuitive. Helix, for me at least, always had sort of a digital feel to it. Hard to explain but I can hear it in the sound clips.
Thank you, I'm happy you like the review! Thank you also for sharing your opinion and experience!
I have both. Wat about sound, Fm3 is much better so far. Helix is not really a competitor. But helix is more handful to edit presets, you don't need your pc to do it. Creating preset from fm3 's front panel is very difficult and uncomfortable.. Number of switches is an advantage for helix. But finally Fm3 is much much better, any doubt on it
Hi, thank you for sharing! Good points, and yes without the computer app, the FM3 is really hard to learn and edit...some functions are somehow counter intuitive....I do agree with you.
Thank you for your message!
I played both and owned a FM9. It's Fractal for the win regarding TONE. Line6 is better for UI.
Hi, thank you for sharing your experience and your findings!
fm3 sound pretty close to real amp. But you can feel digital sound on helix. Fm3 has natural sound than helix
Hi, thank you for sharing your opinion!
Can you share with your ir?
Hi, thank you for your interest in my IRs. Here you can pick them up: www.leogibsonguitar.com/shop-online/p/leo-essential-irs
In my honest opinion, Both dont sound like the Soldano, with the Helix coming the closest...the FM3 seems to loose some body on the tone.
Hi, thank you for sharing your opinion!
If these comparisons are being made with each brand’s modeler sharing the same numeric amp knob settings, it is NOT a fair comparison, especially if you’re using factory presets. Why? Let’s say one manufacturer got their resultant modeled preset tone of a given amp while using medium to high-output humbuckers, but the other manufacturer got their result using vintage low-output humbuckers…or even single coil pickups. Naturally they’re going to sound different…and pickups are just one possible variable for a given manufacturer’s tonal “conclusion” for a given model! Both manufacturers likely used a variety of guitars, further compounding opportunity for discrepancies between two given brands.
This is why many will say, “brand-x sounds bassier” or, “brand-x sounds shrill”, or whatever. I think it would be more useful for you to dial in your “ideal” tone for a given model on one brand’s unit, and then see if you can match the tone with the other unit, using the same IR (and guitar) for each. This will show people whether two brands’ modelers are truly on par with each other, and I think that’s what many of us are curious about.
Hi, thank you for your suggestion. I've made many videos, also tweaking the modelers to sound like the real amp. In any case, I think that every method has his own pros and cons, for instance in the one you are suggesting I would have to tweak the modelers, introducing biasing in the way I do it, and in the way I tweak the tone, using some parameters over the other, and judging with my ears that are different from yours, etc.
In my opinion having the modelers with the same settings as the real amp is a good starting point to verify how close or far the modelers are compared to the real amp. This method is for sure not biased from my side, as I'm using the exact same setting of the real amp (in my opinion).
Thank your for your message!
So, whole demo I've been listening, not watching. Can't hear any difference between all this units. But I prefer line 6 for it's UI and modeling effects and because I use mostly fender and vox type amps, and for me line 6 did a better work. (Using hx stomp xl right now)
Hi, thank you for sharing your opinion!
@@LeoGibsonGtr thank you for huge amount of great demo material and comparison between units! love your channel)
Thak you so much, I'm really happy that you like the channel!
Helix always has this feel of having like a limiter pressing down on the signal compared to the Axe FX which sounds more full and present and in your face.
But it's only noticable when A/Bed with the Axe FX so a great unit and definately usable and I like mine. Mostly for it has more footswitches and the tone isn't that far wors than the Axe. And it's easy to use.
Helix I mean.
Hi, thank you for sharing your opinion and experience!
For leads the real Soldano sounds the best followed by helix followed by axe fx
For rhythm Fender, axe fx and Helix.
H, thank you for sharing your opinion!
@@LeoGibsonGtr Thanks. Great playing and great demo.
You are welcome, I'm very happy you like the playing and the demo!
Fm3
Hi Flavio, thank you for sharing!
FM 3 IS $ 1099 USA EURO 1200
Hi, actually in euro 1299. Price tends to fluctuate.
Thank you for your message!
I have owned both and can say for a fact that in my opinion the FM3 is WAY better than the Helix. Helix sounded too processed. I found the FM3 felt correct under my fingers the Helix did not. Its long gone.
Hi, thank you for sharing your opinion and experience!!!
fractal
Thank you for sharing your opinion!
FM3 all the way
Hi David, thank you for sharing your opinion!
And the answer is..... Neither. You buy the Quad Cortex instead.
😊...but it depends according to your needs....👍🏻🎸
NONE
Hi, thank you for sharing. What do you prefer? the real amp or other modelers?
Thank you
@@LeoGibsonGtr Haha, honestly didn't expect a reply. It was more of an ironic response, sorry.
Had the Mooer GE150 recently and it was BS. Only usable sim was the Engl Fireball or whatever it resembles. JCM900, also nice. But the Mesa's, no way. But I can't really talk about this ballpark in the video. The only thing I can say: What are they worth in a time where we can record guitar through interface and put any sim later on the track. In times where we even have NaLex Amplex. Live no one really cares if your sounds are a simulated JCM800 clean/crunch or a boosted Mesa. So, yeah, maybe real amp or just a 2 channel Joyo Bantamp. But even an all tube amp is 250 bucks these days or even less. I think I'd go with the Helix, they've seemed to up their game quite a bit.
@@InTheSh8 Ok, I see, thank you for sharing!
You play well but that accent... I just can't
I'm sorry for that...I will try to improve...
Thank you for your message
Your accent is just fine man! Keep on making this great content!
@@bradlions I appreciate the kind words and it's nice to encourage people, but no, you can not tell him his accent is fine. It's like saying 2+2 = almost 5 and say your maths are fine. The world would be better if we could speak the truth. I do like Leo's reviews though, but as a youtuber, it's nice when people point out what to focus on to make better content.
@@florentimbert7401 The math example just doesn't make any sense. I agree with you about telling the truth but I think that there are better ways to express these kind of opinions and sound less rude.
@@fergy81 It's very clear. You're changing the debate on being rude or not instead of saying whether his accent is good or not. You know it's the truth so you're changing the subject. Even if I was the rudest or the nicest person on Earth, that doesn't change his accent. And I was expressing MY opinion. I said "I can't". If you can, good for you, man! Keep on rockin
Fix that vibrato😊
ok