The only reason Jay-Z didn't stunt Kanye's growth is because Ye could produce his own music & didn't have to use leftover beats like n the video for Memphis Bleek
And Ye was NOT going to allow Jay to do so...he didn't take him serious which is why Ye paid for most of College Dropout out of his own pocket...Jay never believed in Ye's rapping but he wanted to keep Ye the producer which is the only reason he really signed him to the ROC and gave him that chain
Exactly. Kanye was a self dependent star, that Jay realized would be that one day. It's one thing I give Jay credit for, he knows how to read people and understands how he could use their value to help himself. Jay tried to put Kanye in his place many times, but ye is just too creative to stay down. Now look, he beat Jay at his own game, MONEY
I don't think Jay ever intended to be an artist after vol 2. But that album blew so much he probably was like I can be a boss and rapper. Once Lyor Cohen started spending more time with Jay, he got in that elite crowd of bosses that Dame didn't connect with. That alone ended Rocafella.
Very well said. I think Lyor opened Jay Z's eyes to a whole different world. Dame was never invited or wanted in this particular group. I don't think Jay and Lyor are even that close anymore
You pretty much nailed it. I work with white execs and you gotta talk a certain way, look a certain way and move a certain way.In other words, you must know how to play the game. It appears Dame refused to do this and therefore these white execs who put Jay on the billionaire path did not want to bring Dame along. Jay had a goal of being a boss and had no problem playing the game and look where he is today.
@@newclothes8165 Dame didn't refuse to do shit. His only talent ( street smart) was getting less and less required as Jay became bigger and he is loud mouthed. One of the laws of power is never to wait until you are useless or replaceable. If he had just shut up, people will still represent him and he could just claim he went into early retirement and not the fact that he has made many bad business decisions over the years.
@@joyandpeacefullaughter5307 He refused to play that game. That means shut up and control that mouth which he refused to do. Those white millionaires didn't want any parts of that.
A lot of people don't know that Roc A Fella was supposed to branch out with Damon Dash going into Sports management with Team Roc and Jay having a smaller spin off label...Carter Faculty but the artists he signed...the Ranjaz and H Money Bags got dropped...I think Amil's group Major Coins was originally on the roster too but when She killed her verse on " Can I Get A..." and held her own with Ja Rule who was hotter than Fish Grease at the time...Damon gave her a solo deal...there was a lot stuff going on behind the scenes!
Dame was never respected, he was tolerated because he had Jay. Once he no longer had Jay, nobody wanted to deal with him. Ppl talking about he was blackballed. Yes he was...he blackballed HIMSELF! And the fact that almost 20 years later he still has not done anything else major business-wise...in ANY industry...speaks volumes. There's no way that Jay could black ball him in EVERYTHING...especially in this current indie/DIY/internet driven climate
As a man, you have to learn how to be wrong! Dame never learned that, and it ruined many of his relationships in his life! I think the older he gets, he realizes that sometimes you have to let others win, or at least think they've won!
@@sims4610593 sometimes its best to be quiet and pay attention to your surroundings. Jay Diddy and Dre have done that which is why their money grew and the circles they run in changed. They diversified portfolio's saw and learned marketing themselves. Listen to how Jay talks never loud makes a point and doesn't show if he annoyed.
As a person who worked in the biz in NY at the time. Dame was always hated. He didn't treat ppl with respect and was only tolerated because he had Jay. Ppl were literally waiting on them to split os they would Neve have to deal with Dame again and that's exactly how it played out. He had great work ethic and could've been even greater like you said but he was just such an @$$ he couldn't get out oh his own way,
Exactly. What you said was obvious and although I do not work in the biz. I work in corporate America and that's pretty much the blueprint on how to get ahead.
I really want to get in my conspiracy bag about that. He happened to bag another young R&B star after she died as well as did a collab album with ole dude...
Rocafella Records seems responsible for 90% of these videos. Crazy how a label that had that absurd amount of talent, probably only rivaled by the early days of Def Jam, collapsed within itself and is no longer around.
Where they grew apart is when Jay Z understood being a business man on the corporate world and Dame still looking at business as a hustler in the streets.. The business mind of a street hustler only goes so far in a corporate world.
Yup. At some point you have to value how you treat people. That whole "A boss does what he wants" only works when you're the guy with the most money or product that could make the money. Jay didn't want to be the product anymore. Also I think Jay knew all along at some point he'd have to cut loose with Dame.
They had slightly more individual talent as far as rappers maybe.. but overall impact I think bad boy trumps them.. they rode the shit outta that biggie wave and help mold the sound for half the decade.. the roc was mostly jay-z and kanye.. nobody else was really selling
@@samgunz1 Bad Boy also put out more platinum selling artists too which also gives them the advantage imo. Biggie, Mase, Black Rob, Craig Mack and the LOX all went platinum or better. The ROC only had Jay and Kanye who were platinum artists. I know CamRon went platinum with Come Home with Me but I don't really consider him a part of Rocafella.
I was in college when things went real south and the media from the start was not behind Dame. I was never a fan of his personality and things just went a way where Dame looked poorly in the eyes of the public, especially the impressionable youth like myself. I look at the situation a little differently now and I can see more why he was so upset at how things went. This was an excellent video.
Jay was the superstar who the fans loved and Dame wasn't. So it's easier to make the guy who's not in the spotlight look like the bad guy. Basic media tactics when they want to paint someone as a scapegoat.
Dame's anger and general bitterness held him down. He burned every bridge that came his way and disrespected a lot of people for no real reason other than wanting to feel like a boss. Hov learned from Dame's mistakes and figured out how to play the game. There's a reason damn near every Roc artist dissed Dame. Watching him go off on his kids and blood brothers shows the kind of dude he is.
Dame was trying to become bigger than Leyor and other c.e.o's. He thought being aggressive was the way to go. Jay learned to work with competition. Dame wanted to destroy the competition.
Was Dame wrong, trying to crush the comp (white owners) or was Jay strategy right ( colab with owners) ...we see who clearly on top....but Dame seemed to have morals/ man code whereas Jay was more business minded......just a question
@@CurrentMoodCommentary369 He wasn't wrong. But a decent leader could have shared and spread the vision with his partners. He could've used jay more strategically.
Oh how wrong you are.. 🤣 Jay z is the master at destroying the competition. You should really research the lengths jay went through to eliminate the competition. Some even taken out, literally. 💯💯💯
@@TeenaDavis101 You are not wrong BUT... In the world I make my money in (programming) you need to define the variable. What is "competition"? Because I agree with your logic, in regards to Jay being an "eliminator". You don't reach his level without being that way. What I'm stating is that EVERYONE is competition to him. This is why his model isn't scalable or healthy for "our" people. Black people. "Before me, there were many. After me, there shall be NONE"- Sean "Jay-Z" Carter.
At least they on a list. Shoutout to Harlem for being a small section of Manhattan but dominating better then most people states. That seems like good energy to me,
Dame and Jay were the perfect duo but Jay had ppl willing to teach him the business end that Dame used to handle. So when Jay felt that he had enough ppl around him to back him up if he exercised the sale option of their contract with Def Jam he chunked deuce and was even given an executive position to boot
Dame growth was not stunted, he made it and took it to the highest level. His personality may not be everybody's cup of tea, but he always kept it 100. I will always have respect for that man. Who cares he is not in the limelight.
@@thesedaze2381 how you know he has no money? He is on youtube he does interviews, obviously he has something going on in his life. He help build one of the greatest artist in music history, he help build one of the most iconic record company's in hip hop history. he is accomplish, his resume is proof
@@e5141981 when I say he has no money It is in comparison to his contemporaries. Jay Z is in the billionaire neighborhood, ditty is in the billionaire neighborhood. If he could have got out of his own way he would be there too. Stunted growth.
@@thesedaze2381"comparisons is the thief of joy" - Theodore Roosevelt. Dame said in an interview that he is happy and free to do whatever he wants. That's what you should be paying attention to, not his pocket.
Jay used Dame to do the dirty work while he ascended to the heights that he wanted to achieve. It worked out well for Jay, he had a plan and he executed the plan perfectly.
@@darrionthompson4320 I agree he didn't but that's how Jay z conducts business. Like DMX said everything Jay does is motivated by money, and Dame was a casualty. I'm not taking Jay Z side but I'm just being real about business.
Could've been Diddy but Jayz wanted to be Diddy. As my mother says two man rats can't live in one hole. It's a Caribbean saying. You can't have two alphas controlling the room. That's life. They were destined to part ways Jay and Dame.
Dame is a legend. I just don’t like how he says Jay did him dirty. I wish he would say stuff like” I shouldn’t have sold this, I should’ve done that differently”.
It was a combination of both. Ever heard of the saying "Two things can be true at the same time"? Dame did contribute to his own demise with his attitude and ego but that doesn't absolve Jay from making his own grimy moves. Far too many people have spoken on how Jay operates. And Dame isn't the only one who has been done dirty by Jay.
You can't "not sell" something if there's 3 in business and 2 vote you out. Lyor Cohen basically groomed Jay and Bigz to do that, while Dame was fighting for Jay's and his other artists' rights as creators..... That's the dirty part!
It's amazing that they work together as a collective force to reach the top, then when they get their, they focus on tearing each other down. Crab in barrel mentality is real even for millionaires.
Also...dudes wanted to branch out ...and under the Roc A Fella umbrella that was supposed to happen with Team Roc being Damon Dash's sports management company and Jay Z having a smaller label...Carter Faculty...that catered to Underground artists he signed..the Ranjaz and H Money Bags...but Damon pulled the plug on Jay Z's plans while going forward with Team Roc !
This video has a undertone that overshadowed the fact that a black man made it out, and contributed at the highest level. “His growth was stunted “. That is an opinion.
That might be true but this is stunted growth music not racial social studies.dunno why people always need to try n make the point of the video deeper than it needs to he ffs 🤦🏾♂️
I like the vid but Damon was the COO of Roc a fella. Dame ended up catching the blame for the Vl 1 sales. After that, Jay started breaking away under the tutelage of LC. Once Dame realized Jay was aiding with Lyor he sought to form a powerhouse distribution company to entice Jay back in the fold. Jay instead told LC and chaos ensued for the partners involved in the deal.
Exactly!! Thats the main reason he's at where he's at now, he blackballed himself. Everyone knew riding with dame wouldn't be a good business move cause the way he conducted himself. Yelling and cussing at mfs is only putting yourself in a hole. You can voice your frustrations without all that nonsense
Dame Dash looked out for a lot of rappers and spoke out on corruption/injustice of the industry. In other words, he wouldn't play the game. Lastly, given Diddy's "relationships" with artists, I dont think anyone wants to be Diddy
It was a shame that Roca Fella imploded I was a big fan of their moment but egos got in the way. Also the industry broke them up I think there were people getting in Jay's ear.
@@joelmcleod6521 he’s underrated but there was a moment after Jay Z retirement that he could have been the best rapper alive. Then again you have 50 Cent and Cam’ron who were also the best rappers in NY at the time
Cam had a great run solo & as a group with Dipset can’t really say he was stunted, only thing somewhat stunted u could say was the aftermath of the beef with 50 kinda broke up Dipset but hip hop was changing around that time anyways Dipset was gonna fall off just like G Unit did
You believe that. That whole sellout excuse is being overused. The sellout excuse was created by people of jealousy and envy. Dame not at the top because of Dame. And who is to say P Diddy and Jay z don't live comfortably in they skin.
@@379-y6y Tell em. Small minded people use the sellout nonsense to replace hard work, dedication and business smarts. If anybody would have sold out for cash, it would have been dame. He said with his own mouth that he spoke to older men in a nasty manner once he started making money cause he had everything that was worth respecting in them.
Oh please.....ask him to make.another JAY Z.......DAME.is nothing but a loud mouthed triggered person........ u can.only go so far being ABBRASIVE in.any business......people only tolerated him because they wanted to be around JAY Z
His mouth IMO the thing I most remember about him was walking into that business meeting with those executives and basically told them SMD I got Jay-Z blah blah and soon after it was over and his mouth had burned bridges...
Key Words: A "Jack of all Trades is a master of nothing". Dame has talent but to me he was spreading himself too thin and hopping into too many businesses at one time.
Folks dont understand. Dame didn't mind Jay doing his own thing. It's the "WAY" Jay did it. Went to those execs behind his partners back and stole the company right under Dame nose. It's sad because it would be a bigger impact for the culture to have all of Rocafella on Forbes not just 1 person. But eh it is what it is. Great video.
Jay is not a dumb dude and knew that Dame became from great to a liability to him. Jay used this situation to his advantage and is know a mich bigger personality without Dame. I'm pretty sure Jay must have read the book ,,48 powers of law''.
I use to always do the Dame dash dance in the club lol, random and im sure it looked crazy doing that in my full early 2000s gear and super high high heels with bedazzled stones on the ass of my low rider jeans 🤦♀️. All terrible, gotta love it lol. #random #early2000s
No. Dame along will J. Prince, Sure Knight, and Irv Gotti was about to put up 30 million each for a black-owned record label/music distribution network. This would have revolutionized hip-hop/Rap music. But...Jay likely snitched. And... Everyone took a fall (J. Prince, Suge, and Gotti could questionable cases. Dame wound up being blackballed.)
True also it was supposed to be a union to that people forget then when the artiest retire they still have that money also 50 cent rated them out in Qhetto Keriun I think.
@@joshuamitchell4343 there was in intervire with Irv gotti with method man pointed this out and J prince pointed this out on Sway in the morning I think.
This happened because Dame lack respect for Jay as a man. He use to purposely take Jay's women (rumor is he made a play at Beyonce), he made business moves without consulting Jay, he thought of Jay as just an artist when Jay was supposed to be his partner. Dame fucked over Dame by trying to fuck over Jay-Z.
1 person wanted freedom the other wanted to stay involved with the "getalonggang" AKA "culture vultures"! Truly believing in yourself is when you can bet on yourself creating a legacy and wealth 4 your family...
he still has the highest selling album on cash money and is a legend on his own. Lil wayne was young and studied and got better lyrically learned to be a hit maker plus kept the cash money machine behind him. they all said eventually the game would be about wayne even mac 10 that was inevitable.
You forgot to mention flawed Business method. That "cop and flip" Street hustling doesn't work in business. You need capital reserve to survive and flourish
Thank you they throw around the entrepreneur word to loosely. Reselling narcotics is not a real business model and Roca wear didn't last... Matter of fact name me one rapper that actually started a real business adm dre beats don't count
@@ktv9247 well some brands have survived like Wu Wear and Sean John, but they're ARTISTS. I don't expect them to have their heads so buried in other businesses.
Dame could never be Diddy, and shouldn’t even be compared to him. Diddy was his own boss of his own label. Dame was a partner with Jay-z. Dame was running around making noise while Jay-z was the talent and the brains. Biggie died and Diddy was still striving. Jay-z left and Dame never recovered. When has that ever happened? Let’s say Biggie would have left Bad Boy; I highly doubt the industry would turn their backs on Diddy like they did Dame. I just don’t see Biggie getting Diddy blackballed. Everything Dame was known for had Jay-z attached to it. Record label, clothing line, liquor brand, etc… From the outside he doesn’t appear to be the head honcho. Even with Cash Money you can tell Birdman was the boss. Even with his feud with Lil Wayne Birdman still held all the cards.
@@tyi6630 he didn't do anythingthing to foxy. Foxy is related to Clark Kent. Clark Kent is the guy who used to try and get Jay out of the streets to Rap. He also paired Jay up with Dame.
Another one that’s a super reach. Yo JC you reaching to much with these vids ride the wave but this is a stretch. Dame did everything he wanted to do. He never wanted to be diddy. If he did we wouldn’t have ye and hov two black billionaires. Puff ain’t make no billionaires let alone millionaires. All puffs artist are dead in jail or broke. Don’t disrespect Dame like that by sayin he has stunted growth cuz he not puff. They had totally different morals missions actions intentions etc. dame was giving and teaching the game puff was using it ton take advantage of his artist. This a reach bro. Dame has done shit and is still doing shit puff never did. Idk man dame deserves respect for the people he helped build into legends puff literally did the opposite. Puff has more money but that’s it.
Going to give you some first hand insight, we were working on several days coming up with "JAYZ" songs. Then the 3rd day we get the list by email what songs he wanted to do. We had close to 20 in the bag and his list erased 15 of them😂😂😂. So the next day we headed up to NYC to rehearse (THIS OS FOR UNPLUGGED BTW) Jay comes in we hit off aight. Now when Dame shown up to check on things I seen a 180° shift in those that were there. Like many of the entourage got tighten up and weren't as loose as they were before hand. So in the back of my head I'm thinking the rumours were true. (ESPECIALLY BEING FROM PHILLY MANY OF THE ROSTER IS THERE) So we continued then finished and got the set licked down. Now, it's the day of the show at MTV and we're all setup. Right before the ending of "PHARRELL" shows up and "DAME" steps in. Once again seen the vibe again where certain people gave off this why is he here scenario. Then it was confirmed that it was downhill from there. Watching a legacy defunct and artist being moved around then Beans and other artist that never got their chance was heartbreaking because there's so much talent. Still.....it was a great time in HipHop and R&B flourish in the charts with good music. It's an era we'll NEVER get again because there's something more important over all. OUR LORD AND SAVIOUR YAHSHUA HAMASHIACH IS RETURNING AND IT'S TIME MORE THEN EVER TO LET HIM IN YOUR LIFE. TIME IS TICKING AS WE GO FURTHER INTO THE END TIMES SO PLEASE ACCEPT OUR FATHER IN HEAVEN IN YOUR LIFE TODAY......GOD BLESS AND I LOVE YOU ALL!!!
Dame is going to be Dame. He's too blunt? Oh well. That's what he needs to be in the business. All that fake shit, he sees through it. Very outspoken and was passionate about his artists. I still ride with him.
Too blunt?..yeah i agree but where did it get him?...NOWHERE!....you can be too blunt but dont let ur ego get in the way of doing business...you gotta know how to do business...these ppl dont need Dame Dash, there are a million dame dash's out here, he a dime a dozen....he burnt too many bridges, that was his downfall
@@2tamz603 we know in business noone are friends...its just business, so everyone can be considered fake...but why get into business?...to make money and reach ur full potential?...or to expose the fake ones?....face it his ego destroyed him, he was his worst enemy ....noone is more egotistical than Diddy, and look where he is at?😊
Jay is a punk in my book. If that is your man's, if you are tight, you sit your dude down and give him the real straight up. "Yo, you doing this, you doing that, and this is how it's affecting our money. On the low, we can be doing X,Y, Z if we do A,B,C, but im asking YOU to..." and you let that man decide how he wanna carry it. But if that's your peoples, you don't make moves behind their back like that. That's a bitch move.
It had to be destroyed. Too many black folks where coming together and getting money. The powers that be cant have that. How many crew and black record label split after this situation? Bigger than most think. Shawn carter put the final nail in the coffin on teams and squads. I understand we grow apart and eventually want our own ship and castle. But it all about how you leave the situation!
dame's only fault was thinking jay would be as loyal to him as he was. i have had this fault myself. dame thought it was forever had aaliyah never died and they married good chance after the split she would have signed to dame dash music and he could have built a roc of his own
@@thesedaze2381 i did i love these stunted growth videos but my opinion stands. everything he did was in the name of loyalty. he didnt always go about it the right way. but him being loyal was literally good business. aaliyah was set to marry this man so i doubt he a monster
@@DFRNTVIEWSTV Going about things in the wrong way is a fault regardless of what you expect from other people. His faults, not anyone's lack of loyalty is the reason people are still unwilling to work with him.
Stunted growth it took Reasonable Doubt at least 7 years to go platinum it didn't nearly jump off like with that album like you said, Tupac calling out Jay z several times on His album Makeveli gave Jay z more nation wide exposure than Jay z music .
The only one made it was Kanye after Jay 🤣 because Kanye made beats produce & had knowledge on how to make songs hooks radio spins along with the beats he produce the rest was hood rappers to be honest without mainstream talent vision.
@@enzigenes Shit I wouldnt of gave it back either lol. Its a ROC chain. Plus, Dame aint trippin bout it. U know how many ppl got roc chains that shouldnt of had one back in the day ? At this point charge it to the game.
The only reason Jay-Z didn't stunt Kanye's growth is because Ye could produce his own music & didn't have to use leftover beats like n the video for Memphis Bleek
And Ye was NOT going to allow Jay to do so...he didn't take him serious which is why Ye paid for most of College Dropout out of his own pocket...Jay never believed in Ye's rapping but he wanted to keep Ye the producer which is the only reason he really signed him to the ROC and gave him that chain
@@lizmarvel6744 n the words of Jay "Dame believed". It wasn't even Jay, Dame pushed 4 Ye.
Exactly. Kanye was a self dependent star, that Jay realized would be that one day. It's one thing I give Jay credit for, he knows how to read people and understands how he could use their value to help himself. Jay tried to put Kanye in his place many times, but ye is just too creative to stay down. Now look, he beat Jay at his own game, MONEY
@@lizmarvel6744 it's not jay didn't believe in yae but jay didn't want yae rapping!!
@@stuntedgrowthmusic Jayz still has more money and more power than Kayne. We just have to pray Kim K won't empty his pockets like fellow rappers
I don't think Jay ever intended to be an artist after vol 2. But that album blew so much he probably was like I can be a boss and rapper. Once Lyor Cohen started spending more time with Jay, he got in that elite crowd of bosses that Dame didn't connect with. That alone ended Rocafella.
Very well said. I think Lyor opened Jay Z's eyes to a whole different world. Dame was never invited or wanted in this particular group. I don't think Jay and Lyor are even that close anymore
You pretty much nailed it. I work with white execs and you gotta talk a certain way, look a certain way and move a certain way.In other words, you must know how to play the game. It appears Dame refused to do this and therefore these white execs who put Jay on the billionaire path did not want to bring Dame along. Jay had a goal of being a boss and had no problem playing the game and look where he is today.
@@newclothes8165 Dame didn't refuse to do shit. His only talent ( street smart) was getting less and less required as Jay became bigger and he is loud mouthed. One of the laws of power is never to wait until you are useless or replaceable. If he had just shut up, people will still represent him and he could just claim he went into early retirement and not the fact that he has made many bad business decisions over the years.
@@joyandpeacefullaughter5307 He refused to play that game. That means shut up and control that mouth which he refused to do. Those white millionaires didn't want any parts of that.
A lot of people don't know that Roc A Fella was supposed to branch out with Damon Dash going into Sports management with Team Roc and Jay having a smaller spin off label...Carter Faculty but the artists he signed...the Ranjaz and H Money Bags got dropped...I think Amil's group Major Coins was originally on the roster too but when She killed her verse on " Can I Get A..." and held her own with Ja Rule who was hotter than Fish Grease at the time...Damon gave her a solo deal...there was a lot stuff going on behind the scenes!
Dame was never respected, he was tolerated because he had Jay. Once he no longer had Jay, nobody wanted to deal with him. Ppl talking about he was blackballed. Yes he was...he blackballed HIMSELF! And the fact that almost 20 years later he still has not done anything else major business-wise...in ANY industry...speaks volumes. There's no way that Jay could black ball him in EVERYTHING...especially in this current indie/DIY/internet driven climate
Attitude is so important . Dame dash has a terrible attitude
Big Big facts 💯
Yea that entrepreneur word gets thrown around to loosely
Facts
Agreed
As a man, you have to learn how to be wrong! Dame never learned that, and it ruined many of his relationships in his life! I think the older he gets, he realizes that sometimes you have to let others win, or at least think they've won!
Exactly bro. I don't know why jay z being the main narrative that he did dame bogus but really dame slit his own wrist. He was his own worst enemy
@@sims4610593 sometimes its best to be quiet and pay attention to your surroundings. Jay Diddy and Dre have done that which is why their money grew and the circles they run in changed. They diversified portfolio's saw and learned marketing themselves. Listen to how Jay talks never loud makes a point and doesn't show if he annoyed.
@@justis142 Jay,Diddy and Dre sold their ass for riches.Damn wasn't with that shut WAKE UP
As a person who worked in the biz in NY at the time. Dame was always hated. He didn't treat ppl with respect and was only tolerated because he had Jay. Ppl were literally waiting on them to split os they would Neve have to deal with Dame again and that's exactly how it played out. He had great work ethic and could've been even greater like you said but he was just such an @$$ he couldn't get out oh his own way,
Why because he was straight toward they knew they could get to jay without dame in his ear plain and simple
Yep! Im sure they missed a couple a business moves cause mfs was waiting for hov to part ways with dame and Jay knew it also.
Exactly. What you said was obvious and although I do not work in the biz. I work in corporate America and that's pretty much the blueprint on how to get ahead.
I remember you bro!
Jay Z low key felt salty about Dame bagging Aaliyah
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Definitely
That's a legit and well covered episode on the much misunderstood Dame Dash tho👌🏽
I really want to get in my conspiracy bag about that. He happened to bag another young R&B star after she died as well as did a collab album with ole dude...
Bro can you cover big l & black rob
Rocafella Records seems responsible for 90% of these videos. Crazy how a label that had that absurd amount of talent, probably only rivaled by the early days of Def Jam, collapsed within itself and is no longer around.
You don’t think Aftermath or Death Row could touch Rocafella?
Bro word. That label was so powerful. Imagine if black people still owned it. But everything we create seems for sale.
@@stuntedgrowthmusic & thats y Jay is who he is. He knows when to sell high & ✌...
Just like the Roman empire.
@@onlyone23km Rocafellla would be dangled from a balcony.
Where they grew apart is when Jay Z understood being a business man on the corporate world and Dame still looking at business as a hustler in the streets.. The business mind of a street hustler only goes so far in a corporate world.
Yup. At some point you have to value how you treat people. That whole "A boss does what he wants" only works when you're the guy with the most money or product that could make the money. Jay didn't want to be the product anymore. Also I think Jay knew all along at some point he'd have to cut loose with Dame.
Yup that's why none his "business" took off. Selling something in high demand doesn't make you a great marketer especially if it sells it self
Off the title... He was Diddy at one point.. All in the Videos.. Being Ceo.. And on top of Hip-Hop. Rocafella to me was stronger than Badboy.
They had slightly more individual talent as far as rappers maybe.. but overall impact I think bad boy trumps them.. they rode the shit outta that biggie wave and help mold the sound for half the decade.. the roc was mostly jay-z and kanye.. nobody else was really selling
@@samgunz1 Bad Boy also put out more platinum selling artists too which also gives them the advantage imo. Biggie, Mase, Black Rob, Craig Mack and the LOX all went platinum or better. The ROC only had Jay and Kanye who were platinum artists. I know CamRon went platinum with Come Home with Me but I don't really consider him a part of Rocafella.
@@drestathagangsta8880 damn I forgot cam.. yea I definitely agree
Bad Boy had the hit makers who could mold and prepare artists properly. The Roc had artists but they didn't know what to do with them.
@@drestathagangsta8880 you forgot about 112 and Carl Thomas
I was in college when things went real south and the media from the start was not behind Dame. I was never a fan of his personality and things just went a way where Dame looked poorly in the eyes of the public, especially the impressionable youth like myself. I look at the situation a little differently now and I can see more why he was so upset at how things went. This was an excellent video.
Jay was the superstar who the fans loved and Dame wasn't. So it's easier to make the guy who's not in the spotlight look like the bad guy. Basic media tactics when they want to paint someone as a scapegoat.
Jay don’t have to say anything to black ball you
Dame's anger and general bitterness held him down. He burned every bridge that came his way and disrespected a lot of people for no real reason other than wanting to feel like a boss. Hov learned from Dame's mistakes and figured out how to play the game. There's a reason damn near every Roc artist dissed Dame. Watching him go off on his kids and blood brothers shows the kind of dude he is.
Dame made Camron the president of Rocafella without consulting Jay.
Now he trying to sell reasonable doubt as an nft come on bro
“2 more for Cam for taking over the Rock Jea it’s my year so jea”🎶
Dame was trying to become bigger than Leyor and other c.e.o's. He thought being aggressive was the way to go. Jay learned to work with competition. Dame wanted to destroy the competition.
Was Dame wrong, trying to crush the comp (white owners) or was Jay strategy right ( colab with owners) ...we see who clearly on top....but Dame seemed to have morals/ man code whereas Jay was more business minded......just a question
@@CurrentMoodCommentary369 He wasn't wrong. But a decent leader could have shared and spread the vision with his partners. He could've used jay more strategically.
@@seriousproductions1224 absolutely overstand...the Roc was definitely on a tear at their prime...
Oh how wrong you are.. 🤣 Jay z is the master at destroying the competition. You should really research the lengths jay went through to eliminate the competition. Some even taken out, literally. 💯💯💯
@@TeenaDavis101 You are not wrong BUT... In the world I make my money in (programming) you need to define the variable. What is "competition"? Because I agree with your logic, in regards to Jay being an "eliminator". You don't reach his level without being that way. What I'm stating is that EVERYONE is competition to him. This is why his model isn't scalable or healthy for "our" people. Black people.
"Before me, there were many. After me, there shall be NONE"- Sean "Jay-Z" Carter.
Dame Dash just couldn't get out of his own way!
Dame is a legend just that people don't like the truth
Dame Dash isn't a rapper and dude is a ex executive and genius and legendary leave this man alone.
Damm homie. 😂😂
You clearly didn’t watch the video
It'll be ok bucko
Harlem dudes dominating this list. Speaks volumes about the energy up there
At least they on a list. Shoutout to Harlem for being a small section of Manhattan but dominating better then most people states. That seems like good energy to me,
Diddy not from Harlem he just claims Harlem he's from Mt. Vernon
@@greenghost3756 I believe he was born in Harlem and grew up in Mt Vernon. Could be wrong of course
Meeca of unfulfilled potential
mecca
Dame and Jay were the perfect duo but Jay had ppl willing to teach him the business end that Dame used to handle. So when Jay felt that he had enough ppl around him to back him up if he exercised the sale option of their contract with Def Jam he chunked deuce and was even given an executive position to boot
And jay couldn't run Rocafella himself because he wasn't smart enough to do the job.
Dame growth was not stunted, he made it and took it to the highest level. His personality may not be everybody's cup of tea, but he always kept it 100. I will always have respect for that man. Who cares he is not in the limelight.
He made tens of millions of dollars but now has no money. That is the definition of stunted growth.
@@thesedaze2381 how you know he has no money? He is on youtube he does interviews, obviously he has something going on in his life. He help build one of the greatest artist in music history, he help build one of the most iconic record company's in hip hop history. he is accomplish, his resume is proof
@@e5141981 when I say he has no money It is in comparison to his contemporaries. Jay Z is in the billionaire neighborhood, ditty is in the billionaire neighborhood. If he could have got out of his own way he would be there too. Stunted growth.
@@thesedaze2381"comparisons is the thief of joy" - Theodore Roosevelt. Dame said in an interview that he is happy and free to do whatever he wants. That's what you should be paying attention to, not his pocket.
@@e5141981 Don't move the goal post. The question was never is he happy, it is was his growth stunted. The answer is yes. The end.
According to someone who worked with DMX in “Exodus”, there’s no such thing as “enough money”.
Jay used Dame to do the dirty work while he ascended to the heights that he wanted to achieve. It worked out well for Jay, he had a plan and he executed the plan perfectly.
EXACTLY.
FLAW!!!! Hov ain’t have to do him like that
@@darrionthompson4320 I agree he didn't but that's how Jay z conducts business. Like DMX said everything Jay does is motivated by money, and Dame was a casualty. I'm not taking Jay Z side but I'm just being real about business.
I will never get over Jay's face at Summer Jam 🤣🤭
He thinking “damn now why I just say Nas name for” 😭😭😭
@@JuveCarrera Ooof...Lol 🤭
@@JuveCarrera that why Nas own a percentage of reasonable doubt
@@howardtonio9262 yeah like 2 percent. That's really only for the one song he used nas sample.
@@howardtonio9262 😆im so tired of hearing u clueless fanboys saying that dumb shit like that 2% of 1song is something, STOP IT😩
Don't forget about Biggs.. Biggs was actually a serious partner funding the roc in the beginning
@Don Julio now you going tooo far!!!! Looool
He don't need to do a biggs video he still doin his thing
@Don Julio ohh you saying Biggs did it first Jay put it in a verse type shit lol
Could've been Diddy but Jayz wanted to be Diddy. As my mother says two man rats can't live in one hole. It's a Caribbean saying. You can't have two alphas controlling the room. That's life. They were destined to part ways Jay and Dame.
Reasonable Doubt didn’t sell 1 million in 1996. It went platinum later on around Blueprint 1
Dame is a legend. I just don’t like how he says Jay did him dirty. I wish he would say stuff like” I shouldn’t have sold this, I should’ve done that differently”.
It was a combination of both. Ever heard of the saying "Two things can be true at the same time"? Dame did contribute to his own demise with his attitude and ego but that doesn't absolve Jay from making his own grimy moves. Far too many people have spoken on how Jay operates. And Dame isn't the only one who has been done dirty by Jay.
Jay did do him dirty. They were business partners in multiple businesses. Jay went behind his back and did a lot of grimy shit.
You can't "not sell" something if there's 3 in business and 2 vote you out. Lyor Cohen basically groomed Jay and Bigz to do that, while Dame was fighting for Jay's and his other artists' rights as creators..... That's the dirty part!
Jay did do him dirty , he tricked him
Young artists nd music heads need to pay close attention to this channel
That Aaliyah Dame Jay Diddy picture looks spooky
It's amazing that they work together as a collective force to reach the top, then when they get their, they focus on tearing each other down. Crab in barrel mentality is real even for millionaires.
There not their
Also...dudes wanted to branch out ...and under the Roc A Fella umbrella that was supposed to happen with Team Roc being Damon Dash's sports management company and Jay Z having a smaller label...Carter Faculty...that catered to Underground artists he signed..the Ranjaz and H Money Bags...but Damon pulled the plug on Jay Z's plans while going forward with Team Roc !
I agree it's big in the black community that mentality it's Really sad....
@@illapuproductions you skipped over the run-on sentence as well.
This video has a undertone that overshadowed the fact that a black man made it out, and contributed at the highest level. “His growth was stunted “. That is an opinion.
That might be true but this is stunted growth music not racial social studies.dunno why people always need to try n make the point of the video deeper than it needs to he ffs 🤦🏾♂️
We Taurus folks are too passionate, and that is our downfall.😢
3:14
Look how mad Jay-Z look while people are Happy having a good time behind him
Nah he probably regretting that he just performed Takeover and thinking bout what he got himself into with Nas lmao and imma Jay fan 😂😭
@@JuveCarrera lmao the roc was on top then i think he was shocked he just had MJ on stage with him
Dame said he only wears socks once, once!!
dame be 'all in the videos, all on the record, dancing' lol
I like the vid but Damon was the COO of Roc a fella. Dame ended up catching the blame for the Vl 1 sales. After that, Jay started breaking away under the tutelage of LC. Once Dame realized Jay was aiding with Lyor he sought to form a powerhouse distribution company to entice Jay back in the fold. Jay instead told LC and chaos ensued for the partners involved in the deal.
Keep the stunted growth music coming bro 🔥 🔥 🔥
Dame the type of dude that never had to pick a switch
I love this channel. Keep the content coming.
I liked the video without even starting it cause I know tha shit goin be good . 💯
Ma boy
There’s a fine line between passion and aggression
Kanye said he would have went Dame way but he too blunt in his personality too strong in harsh
Well Kanye went back to Dame after he and Jay fell out.
Exactly!! Thats the main reason he's at where he's at now, he blackballed himself. Everyone knew riding with dame wouldn't be a good business move cause the way he conducted himself. Yelling and cussing at mfs is only putting yourself in a hole. You can voice your frustrations without all that nonsense
Dame Dash looked out for a lot of rappers and spoke out on corruption/injustice of the industry. In other words, he wouldn't play the game. Lastly, given Diddy's "relationships" with artists, I dont think anyone wants to be Diddy
Jay-Z backstabbed him that's how. Anybody that Jay felt threaten about he simple pull strings just to take them out of the picture
That video with Dame at Def Jam was classic lol😂😂😂
You forgot to mention that both Jay & Dame dated Aaliyah
It was a shame that Roca Fella imploded I was a big fan of their moment but egos got in the way. Also the industry broke them up I think there were people getting in Jay's ear.
Salute Stunted! This was a solid one. Dame is that dude and a visionary.
Starting to see a trend with these Roc a Fella guys
Wym?
@@navyvet2841 when Hov is done with them, they done 😂
@@navyvet2841 Rocafella IS Jay-Z everybody else was just a background character.. not even side
@@stann.3408 everyone except Cam
@@flygenyus2186 I never really saw Cam as Rocafella even though he was
Need a video on Cam’ron and Fabulous
Fab growth wasnt stunted
Fab never stunted, he's just underrated
@@joelmcleod6521 he’s underrated but there was a moment after Jay Z retirement that he could have been the best rapper alive. Then again you have 50 Cent and Cam’ron who were also the best rappers in NY at the time
Cam had a great run solo & as a group with Dipset can’t really say he was stunted, only thing somewhat stunted u could say was the aftermath of the beef with 50 kinda broke up Dipset but hip hop was changing around that time anyways Dipset was gonna fall off just like G Unit did
he didn’t sell out like diddy and jay that’s why he “stunted” atleast he could live comfortable in his own skin
You believe that. That whole sellout excuse is being overused. The sellout excuse was created by people of jealousy and envy. Dame not at the top because of Dame. And who is to say P Diddy and Jay z don't live comfortably in they skin.
@@379-y6y Tell em. Small minded people use the sellout nonsense to replace hard work, dedication and business smarts.
If anybody would have sold out for cash, it would have been dame. He said with his own mouth that he spoke to older men in a nasty manner once he started making money cause he had everything that was worth respecting in them.
Oh please.....ask him to make.another JAY Z.......DAME.is nothing but a loud mouthed triggered person........ u can.only go so far being ABBRASIVE in.any business......people only tolerated him because they wanted to be around JAY Z
Dame did sell out he was with the agenda ...🤷♂️
Dame is like that coach that yells and screams you learn from him but you eventually go your own way because his attitude gets old.
His mouth IMO the thing I most remember about him was walking into that business meeting with those executives and basically told them SMD I got Jay-Z blah blah and soon after it was over and his mouth had burned bridges...
He’s One Of The Goats Regardless! #Harlem #Respect
@3:12 Jay face like yea it's time to part ways....
Key Words: A "Jack of all Trades is a master of nothing". Dame has
talent but to me he was spreading himself too thin and hopping into too
many businesses at one time.
Hes not a real entrepreneur at all, just got lucky meeting the right guy at the right time.
Dame is a genius
And no one will ever question his “hustle” & “passion”
You have to question the hustle of someone who hustle isn't working...dame hasn't had a successful business venture since rocafella....
@@jeromelindsay5954 Thank you! 🧠
How about a stunted growth on Suge Knight?
Folks dont understand. Dame didn't mind Jay doing his own thing. It's the "WAY" Jay did it. Went to those execs behind his partners back and stole the company right under Dame nose. It's sad because it would be a bigger impact for the culture to have all of Rocafella on Forbes not just 1 person. But eh it is what it is. Great video.
Dame was a Hothead. Check the footage from the Hard Knock Life tour.
Nah Dame spoke the fact in those board meetings.
@Benjamin Mordecai
Exactly, bro!
Do Canibus Or Ras Kass. Dope vid
That's a legit and well covered episode on the much misunderstood Dame Dash tho👌🏽
No one works with Dame twice.
Beanie sigel did.
@@6figuregainz856 was that after he said Dame owed him 11 million.
Aaliyah passing away is led Damon to his downfall
So basically he was all up in the videos...dancin. lol
Jay is not a dumb dude and knew that Dame became from great to a liability to him. Jay used this situation to his advantage and is know a mich bigger personality without Dame. I'm pretty sure Jay must have read the book ,,48 powers of law''.
I use to always do the Dame dash dance in the club lol, random and im sure it looked crazy doing that in my full early 2000s gear and super high high heels with bedazzled stones on the ass of my low rider jeans 🤦♀️. All terrible, gotta love it lol. #random #early2000s
Dame ain't "lose" his label he "sold his ownership stake" of the label
Wasnt he basically forced to sell it?
@@jordanflores5687 no, Jay would have given him rocafella for the masters to reasonable doubt and Biggs talked dash into turning it down
@@thebrasschannel5821 oh ok
@@jordanflores5687 watch trap lord ross video on it's a lot deeper and better.
Keep up the good work I been watching your videos since day 1
A bad attitude, being disrespectful to colleagues in the same business will definitely lead to your demise.
No. Dame along will J. Prince, Sure Knight, and Irv Gotti was about to put up 30 million each for a black-owned record label/music distribution network. This would have revolutionized hip-hop/Rap music. But...Jay likely snitched. And... Everyone took a fall (J. Prince, Suge, and Gotti could questionable cases. Dame wound up being blackballed.)
Thats the real reason!!!! All them had fed cases brought up against, same time jayz becomes the president of def jam sell out ass bro
Ah no
True also it was supposed to be a union to that people forget then when the artiest retire they still have that money also 50 cent rated them out in Qhetto Keriun I think.
@@joshuamitchell4343 there was in intervire with Irv gotti with method man pointed this out and J prince pointed this out on Sway in the morning I think.
@@macewbee I’m in agreement with the comment. That’s old news, dame spoke it way back then
There’s a common denominator in these videos
This happened because Dame lack respect for Jay as a man. He use to purposely take Jay's women (rumor is he made a play at Beyonce), he made business moves without consulting Jay, he thought of Jay as just an artist when Jay was supposed to be his partner. Dame fucked over Dame by trying to fuck over Jay-Z.
Dame still the man I listen to his live streams all the time
1 person wanted freedom the other wanted to stay involved with the "getalonggang" AKA "culture vultures"!
Truly believing in yourself is when you can bet on yourself creating a legacy and wealth 4 your family...
I love Dame from what I know . But his biggest issue was not reading the room .
He is the room. He gotta breath b4 he talk. Lol
@@RyanSantos-ol9lr 😂😂😂😂😂🤣
Juvenile Stunted Growth next...he was supposed to have Lil Wayne career
he still has the highest selling album on cash money and is a legend on his own. Lil wayne was young and studied and got better lyrically learned to be a hit maker plus kept the cash money machine behind him. they all said eventually the game would be about wayne even mac 10 that was inevitable.
You forgot to mention flawed Business method. That "cop and flip" Street hustling doesn't work in business. You need capital reserve to survive and flourish
Thank you they throw around the entrepreneur word to loosely. Reselling narcotics is not a real business model and Roca wear didn't last... Matter of fact name me one rapper that actually started a real business adm dre beats don't count
@@ktv9247 well some brands have survived like Wu Wear and Sean John, but they're ARTISTS. I don't expect them to have their heads so buried in other businesses.
@@esseen100 Sean Jean is about as popping as fubu rn but I feel you tho
@@ktv9247 lol! It's still alive globally. It's difficult for clothing labels to do that. Like where's "Shabazz Brothers "?🤣
Dame could never be Diddy, and shouldn’t even be compared to him. Diddy was his own boss of his own label. Dame was a partner with Jay-z. Dame was running around making noise while Jay-z was the talent and the brains. Biggie died and Diddy was still striving. Jay-z left and Dame never recovered. When has that ever happened? Let’s say Biggie would have left Bad Boy; I highly doubt the industry would turn their backs on Diddy like they did Dame. I just don’t see Biggie getting Diddy blackballed. Everything Dame was known for had Jay-z attached to it. Record label, clothing line, liquor brand, etc… From the outside he doesn’t appear to be the head honcho. Even with Cash Money you can tell Birdman was the boss. Even with his feud with Lil Wayne Birdman still held all the cards.
No one want to blame Jay-Z. Jay-Z has screwed over alot of people to get where he is today.
Jayz put a gag order on foxy brown and legal stuff did with magic johnson.
@@tyi6630 he didn't do anythingthing to foxy. Foxy is related to Clark Kent. Clark Kent is the guy who used to try and get Jay out of the streets to Rap. He also paired Jay up with Dame.
Another one that’s a super reach. Yo JC you reaching to much with these vids ride the wave but this is a stretch. Dame did everything he wanted to do. He never wanted to be diddy. If he did we wouldn’t have ye and hov two black billionaires. Puff ain’t make no billionaires let alone millionaires. All puffs artist are dead in jail or broke. Don’t disrespect Dame like that by sayin he has stunted growth cuz he not puff. They had totally different morals missions actions intentions etc. dame was giving and teaching the game puff was using it ton take advantage of his artist. This a reach bro. Dame has done shit and is still doing shit puff never did. Idk man dame deserves respect for the people he helped build into legends puff literally did the opposite. Puff has more money but that’s it.
This is facts 💯💯
Dame was not puff by force jay and ye would have never been a billionaire if they stayed with him
@@abzda1700 cap their money cam from outside of music. Dam had no control over all there business
Going to give you some first hand insight, we were working on several days coming up with "JAYZ" songs. Then the 3rd day we get the list by email what songs he wanted to do. We had close to 20 in the bag and his list erased 15 of them😂😂😂. So the next day we headed up to NYC to rehearse (THIS OS FOR UNPLUGGED BTW) Jay comes in we hit off aight.
Now when Dame shown up to check on things I seen a 180° shift in those that were there. Like many of the entourage got tighten up and weren't as loose as they were before hand. So in the back of my head I'm thinking the rumours were true. (ESPECIALLY BEING FROM PHILLY MANY OF THE ROSTER IS THERE) So we continued then finished and got the set licked down. Now, it's the day of the show at MTV and we're all setup.
Right before the ending of "PHARRELL" shows up and "DAME" steps in. Once again seen the vibe again where certain people gave off this why is he here scenario. Then it was confirmed that it was downhill from there.
Watching a legacy defunct and artist being moved around then Beans and other artist that never got their chance was heartbreaking because there's so much talent. Still.....it was a great time in HipHop and R&B flourish in the charts with good music. It's an era we'll NEVER get again because there's something more important over all. OUR LORD AND SAVIOUR YAHSHUA HAMASHIACH IS RETURNING AND IT'S TIME MORE THEN EVER TO LET HIM IN YOUR LIFE. TIME IS TICKING AS WE GO FURTHER INTO THE END TIMES SO PLEASE ACCEPT OUR FATHER IN HEAVEN IN YOUR LIFE TODAY......GOD BLESS AND I LOVE YOU ALL!!!
I don't understand. What happened?
It's crazy. I liked him yo.
Dame still a Legend to me. I salute anyone who lived thier dreams..
Dame is going to be Dame. He's too blunt? Oh well. That's what he needs to be in the business. All that fake shit, he sees through it. Very outspoken and was passionate about his artists. I still ride with him.
Too blunt?..yeah i agree but where did it get him?...NOWHERE!....you can be too blunt but dont let ur ego get in the way of doing business...you gotta know how to do business...these ppl dont need Dame Dash, there are a million dame dash's out here, he a dime a dozen....he burnt too many bridges, that was his downfall
@@colinc5531 oh well. Business mfers can't handle the truth so they sided with the fakes. That's all that was. Ego or not.
@@2tamz603 we know in business noone are friends...its just business, so everyone can be considered fake...but why get into business?...to make money and reach ur full potential?...or to expose the fake ones?....face it his ego destroyed him, he was his worst enemy ....noone is more egotistical than Diddy, and look where he is at?😊
@@colinc5531 so what? Dame is Dame. I'm not argue about that. I like how he does business.
@@colinc5531 Diddy is worse. Lol
Jay is a punk in my book. If that is your man's, if you are tight, you sit your dude down and give him the real straight up. "Yo, you doing this, you doing that, and this is how it's affecting our money. On the low, we can be doing X,Y, Z if we do A,B,C, but im asking YOU to..." and you let that man decide how he wanna carry it. But if that's your peoples, you don't make moves behind their back like that. That's a bitch move.
Industry: Can't get long with him.
Truth: We can't control him.
Exactly. Most people can’t see what really happened
I still look up to Dame
He’s a tall guy
Everytime I See That Clip Of Dude Cuttin Dame Bold Ass Head I Get Pissed Off 😂😂😂😂😂
Big ups this was a good vid. I'm tuned in
Aaliyah should’ve been 1 of 3 stunts
Crazy when you uploaded this Dame went live Dame never fell off his 🐎 There all and still is boule brother hood
Great observation you can NEVER leave the boule once your in
Bro found this channel few days ago amazing Thank You 🙏 love it interesting 🧐
It had to be destroyed. Too many black folks where coming together and getting money. The powers that be cant have that. How many crew and black record label split after this situation? Bigger than most think. Shawn carter put the final nail in the coffin on teams and squads. I understand we grow apart and eventually want our own ship and castle. But it all about how you leave the situation!
dame's only fault was thinking jay would be as loyal to him as he was. i have had this fault myself. dame thought it was forever had aaliyah never died and they married good chance after the split she would have signed to dame dash music and he could have built a roc of his own
Did you watch the video? Dame had many faults.
@@thesedaze2381 i did i love these stunted growth videos but my opinion stands. everything he did was in the name of loyalty. he didnt always go about it the right way. but him being loyal was literally good business. aaliyah was set to marry this man so i doubt he a monster
@@DFRNTVIEWSTV Going about things in the wrong way is a fault regardless of what you expect from other people. His faults, not anyone's lack of loyalty is the reason people are still unwilling to work with him.
Great vid. Dame was a bad guy to the bad guys but was a loyal giver to the good
Thanks you people probably made him out to be the bad guy
Stunted growth it took Reasonable Doubt at least 7 years to go platinum it didn't nearly jump off like with that album like you said, Tupac calling out Jay z several times on His album Makeveli gave Jay z more nation wide exposure than Jay z music .
Nowadays Jay-Z wanna talk all that pro black flannel but he sold a brother down the river for Lyor Cohen
Exactly
Exactly!!!
This gotta be the most ironic comment considering you sold out Tommy Vercetti 😂😂😂
Lots of it is due to Jay's betrayals and Kanye siding with Jay over Dame
The only one made it was Kanye after Jay 🤣 because Kanye made beats produce & had knowledge on how to make songs hooks radio spins along with the beats he produce the rest was hood rappers to be honest without mainstream talent vision.
This.
& The Homie Spitta Still Made It Happen 🤙🏿💯
He still hasn't given Dame back his Roc chain that he stole. Currensy is a fraud.
@@enzigenes Shit I wouldnt of gave it back either lol. Its a ROC chain. Plus, Dame aint trippin bout it. U know how many ppl got roc chains that shouldnt of had one back in the day ? At this point charge it to the game.
@@BillieDaveHart I hear you, and Dame made it perfectly clear that he wanted his chain back from Currensy that he stole.
Dame stayed Alllll in the videos