@@E-virtuosEu Right but video drivers nowadays do not even have drivers for their latest cards, meaning most things won't work fine because to me a gpu is worth a pretty hefty percent.
Jebus Michael you blow me away. Although it didn't work as planned, Windows 10 running Windows XP running Windows 10 is one crazy Windows sandwich. I hope if you do get it working you post a follow up video.
Did you know that an old version of QEMU is able to run under DR DOS and FreeDOS using HX DOS Extender? You definitely should try to do a reverse virtualization on DOS.
Hey Michael, I got the Windows 8 installer to start because XP was on the native machine! It went into the installer just fine and now I’m entering the product key.
@@Serichuwu I was running the insider preview, it was very odd. I remember video looked very strange and obviously didn't really run. Edge was also a piece of shit. I mean, it always was that's why it's dead but it was even worse back then.
The reason why Windows 10 is stuck at logo on boot: *Old VirtualBox versions set the paravirtualization mode to Legacy, which Windows 10 doesn't support* _and it's unchangable unless you update the VBox Version to 4.3 or newer_
I like how back in the day windows xp had a seperate version for x64 with its own product keys and shit, so you couldnt use a product key for windows xp home x86 on windows xp home x64, its even specified that its an x64 instillation when you start the computer
I succesfully ran Windows 10 on XP using a combination of VMWare Workstation (Modified EXi Profile for hardware virtualization passtrough) and Virtualbox 5.2 (In my case a modified one i had laying around but the original should work fine).
@@user-tj7hk1ss8d Nah the Acer Aspire One is starting to slow when I run Android. I use to use Android as my main OS, but with each update it hurts the Aspire One AOA150-ZG5.
@@ShadowUmbreon do not run Android 8, just get android 6 or 5 or 4 then you are great but Android x86 does not receive updates once you installed it on your netbook
All the syptoms and error messages are related to the processor not supporting the NX feature. I assume that the old virtualization software you are trying to run Windows 8/10 on just does not have support for NX within the VM, as it was not needed for the older OSes...
I personally call the Windows 10 bootloader wheel the "dot wheel" or ".wheel", it's the most accurate term I can think of, and it rolls off the tongue to boot. We need to spread the terminology for the sake of simplicity!
i just realized you were using a very old version of virtualbox whch did not have virtualization implemented, if you use the latest 5.2 version of virtualbox it could work.
The emulated processor of the XP VM is missing the required x86 instruction set. Windows 8.0 is the latest version that I believe will run on XP era processors.
I hope you do this, I'm having similar issues trying to install a Windows 8.1 VM on my Windows 10 host, technically I could go to my old HP Stream 11 if I ever wanted to use Windows 8.1 (well Windows 8.1 with Bing, maybe you could do a video on it). The main issue is that virtualization is not enabled
I was actually trying to do this on a physical Vista install (old computer, just given to me) and I was looking up if it was at all possible. After seeing this, I'm gonna try this out on my machine.
I recall that with Windows 8, Microsoft started requiring hardware DEP to even boot the installer. Ran into that trying to install Windows 8 on an older Pentium 4 machine without DEP, the damn install would just crash with that cryptic black error screen you showed in the video.
Yeah, Virtualbox would have most likely have worked as many other comments are saying. Anyways, good try though! Keep up the good ideas, I am enjoying them! :)
The next best thing that I think you could try is maybe QEMU? I'm not sure if there is a version of QEMU that supports Windows XP but its probably a good place to start
Those old versions of VB and VMWare Player probably don't support PAE, or SSE2, which is required to run Windows 8 or later. VPC 2007 definitely won't work. I believe VB 5 is the final version to support Windows XP. Try VirtualBox 5 and see if that works.
14:09 I'm not sure but that may be because PAE/NX is not detected and this happens only with Windows 8 and above. I learned this from one time that i tried to install Windows 8 on a 2002 PC previously running XP 32 bit.
A few years ago I tried to install Windows 10 on an old laptop (Celeron M from 2007, 32-bit), and it also just got stuck at the windows logo with no spinning animation.
Have you tried booting from that ISO in a PC? Because i've downloaded the official x86 ISO from the Microsoft Download Center and the same happened to me when triying to install 32 bits Windows in a regular PC via USB stick. No wheel spinning, no error messages, just frozen. 64 bits versión worked fine instead.
I tried Win10 on WinXP (XP as host) and found out that you can install Win10, but you will need a LOT of patience since you can only assign 1.5GB of RAM to the VM since XP is a 32bits OS and can only see 2.9GB of RAM since MS disabled PAE on XP. I also tried with xp 64bits but virtualbox can't install. Don't have 2k3 server ATM, but I assume that you will be able to install on the 32bits release more easily since PAE is enabled on the server editions of Windows.
I tried this on VMware 9 on XP 64-bit. It doesn't work either. However, I did get it to work by installing a Windows 7 VM, then installing VMware 15 in that, then installing a Windows 10 VM in the Windows 7 VM in Windows XP.
I would likely recommend you guys to use a Super Lite Version of Windows 10 (Tiny10 Recommended) or a Windows 10 PE (Experimental) if you’re going to run Windows 10 inside Windows XP. Also, you need a older version of VMware (like VMware 9.0.2). But yes it is possible to run Windows 10 inside Windows XP.
The older vm software might be missing the hardware NX bit that the installer checks for. I know of a Windows 8 workaround but I don't know if anybody ever came up with a Windows 10 workaround.
Just a quick thing xp WILL NOT RUN natively on any intel cpu newer than 4th gen. A 3930k 3770k or a q6600 would be ideal any thing newer than 2008 should work just make sure it has VT-X compatibility
@@ssupii2631 It was VERY VERY laggy but I could do basic stuff with it. I even used it to cast media using a light projector and I installed a bunch of useful software like Office and stuff. Originally it had Windows XP installed btw
Itd be slow but couldn't you run a more modern linus inside a vm in XP, then run windows 10 inside virtual box inside that? I imagine youd get a recent distros of debian to boot fine. Even if you can get into vista somehow then emulate onwards?
you could try it on windows xp 64 bit to see what happens. And it'd need to be a p4 prescott to meet the minimum requirements for windows 10, anything less literally doesn't have enough coding. And there is video evidence of it working (on a desktop at least) It'd also be interesting to see how it runs if windows 10 is tweaked for performance for low end machines as much as possible and given the best scenario hardware (to prove how out of date it is, and what the result would be to upgrade such a machine to show the bottlenecks (temporarily upgrade of course) High end gpu (by modern standards), max ram speed the motherboard can support. And to be fair if you really want to see the true potential of a p4, there are socket 775 boards with DDR3 support (Dell made some, there are non oem but those are harder to get) It'd also be interesting to put a pentium D extreme edition (2 core with hyperthread) to the same task in the same settings and try to use it in modern use scenarios (technically its capable enough if that is done but barely from what i've seen)
AWESOME for games of the era.....I was playing Crysis on my XP box yesterday. It's so good playing the "unplayable on high resolution" game on a PC I got for $10 at the tip....and on maxed out settings aswell....
Although Windows 32bit is limited to 4GB, Windows itself reserves 2GB to the OS and the other 2GB for the rest of the applications. There's a 3GB switch to enable Windows XP to let the applications use 3GB instead of 2GB, you can try it following these instructions at: knowledge.autodesk.com/support/autocad/learn-explore/caas/sfdcarticles/sfdcarticles/How-to-enable-a-3GB-switch-on-Windows-Vista-Windows-7-or-Windows-XP-s.html
is it possible to make a windows 10 gaming pc in the windows xp case with the windows xp os installed basically sleeper gaming pc but with the actual os
If you go with XP real hardware, you might as well try even older host while you're at it... Windows 2000 Pro. I believe Vbox version 1.5.6 was the last version to officially support Win2K host. That was when it was still made by Innotek, before Sun Microsystems.
@@mariannmariann2052 I'm sure you're right... Pretty much anything that runs on XP can be backported to 2K. 1.5.6 was just the last "officially" supported version. I think 5.1.x was the last with XP support.
You can run Windows 10 on windows xp PROVIDED your actual hardware can run it which in this case is the windows xp guest which i doubt is compatible with windows 10
More correct name for this video:
Windows 10 inside Windows XP inside Windows 10
Basically a Windowsandwich.
@@DryPaperHammerBro Lol my PC ate a windowsandwich
Put a hundred of them inside of each other. Good luck not running out of RAM. Windows 10x100=Windows 1000
@@MikeL100 Let's use Windows 10 Pro and add 1TB RAM.
w i n c e p t i o n
You should have run Windows XP on real hardware when trying Windows 10 virtual machine!
I don't think you can run your latest hardware on a windows xp machine without a virtual machine due to incompatability.
@@reecescott3559 New hardware still normally supports Windows XP, not 100%, but most of the things work fine.
@@E-virtuosEu Right but video drivers nowadays do not even have drivers for their latest cards, meaning most things won't work fine because to me a gpu is worth a pretty hefty percent.
Reece Scott so just use an old gpu, who said it had to be fast
@@bakedpotato1238 Because you're running a windows 10 virtual machine? 🤔
Jebus Michael you blow me away. Although it didn't work as planned, Windows 10 running Windows XP running Windows 10 is one crazy Windows sandwich. I hope if you do get it working you post a follow up video.
Take a shot every time he says "actually"
i have poisoned alcohol now
Virtual Box 5.2 works with XP! Try with that as Virtual Box 3.1.6 or Virtual PC 2007 are too old
Royal Kingdom no, the latest VirtualBox version supported on XP is VirtualBox 5.0
nolemretaW yes but he can’t use 5.2 on XP
Yup actually works for me, although i also made sure my VM supported hardware passtrough for maximum compatibility. Very sluggish but it runs fine! :D
@@pikaaxyt You're wrong, Virtual Box 5.x works in XP! 6.0 does not work because it only support 64 bit Windows, I assume it works with XP 64 bit
@@pikaaxyt I installed 5.2 and it worked
that virtualbox ui is so nostalgic, reminds me of 2012 and messing around with my thinkpad t41 and vms ;w;
You've heard of backwards compatibility, now get ready for forwards compatibility!
I'd love to see you do some new Windows Beta videos. Those were my favorites of yours.
Yeah it has been a while. I'd love to do some more videos on betas!
@@MichaelMJD I like the $5 Windows 98 PC videos you make
@@MichaelMJD ebe slqldnfk a sua
You should make a part two where you attempt it on 64-bit XP with a bunch more RAM. Not sure the memory is the issue here, but it's something to try!
Second this, 32-bit is dumbdumb to try this on.
Try using XP 64 bit, it might work...
and a newer version of VirtualBox lol
Or newer version of VMware if it works on Windows XP 64-bit
@@NoobyXPSP2 haha funny to get a reply from such an old comment...
@@shay1117 ?
@@TorutheRedFox this is WIndows Xp.
Did you know that an old version of QEMU is able to run under DR DOS and FreeDOS using HX DOS Extender? You definitely should try to do a reverse virtualization on DOS.
Hey Michael, I got the Windows 8 installer to start because XP was on the native machine! It went into the installer just fine and now I’m entering the product key.
I've run Windows 10 on a VM on XP on physical hardware. Doing it on a VM is less likely to work.
4:26 That pop, such a nostalgic sound effect
I ran Windows 10 on a Windows 7 virtual machine and the hardware was pretty damn old
CrAzYgIrL and i ran windows 10 on my windows 7 pc back then when i still had windows 7 (since i upgraded it) and it’s was buggy as hell
@@Serichuwu I was running the insider preview, it was very odd. I remember video looked very strange and obviously didn't really run. Edge was also a piece of shit. I mean, it always was that's why it's dead but it was even worse back then.
CrAzYgIrL Paint 3D also looked like shit.
Anyone remember when druaga1 did videos like this a while back? Pepperidge Farm remembers!
As do i, didn’t he manage to do it a couple times in, vm in a vm inside another vm?
Is it a vm in a vm?
Yes i think
You actually can use more than 4GB of RAM on x86 via PAE and most hypervisors should be able to enable PAE for the guest OS, and KVM master race.
I also hate commies
Thx I’ve been looking for this kind of video
This Was In My Recommended.
I Subscribed And Turned On Notifications.
Thank you!
@@MichaelMJD h
@@MichaelMJD More resolution
The reason why Windows 10 is stuck at logo on boot:
*Old VirtualBox versions set the paravirtualization mode to Legacy, which Windows 10 doesn't support*
_and it's unchangable unless you update the VBox Version to 4.3 or newer_
try running windows 7 in the vm then run windows 10 on a vm inside windows 7. note your pc might explode
I made a windows 10 vm inside xp and it worked
Awesome video Michael
You could try this experiment once again on a Windows XP x64 edition.
However, This Experiment is so interesting to watch.
Thanks Sir.
I like how back in the day windows xp had a seperate version for x64 with its own product keys and shit, so you couldnt use a product key for windows xp home x86 on windows xp home x64, its even specified that its an x64 instillation when you start the computer
Why are you using such an old version of VirtualBox?
Cuz the newest version not supported windows xp
I succesfully ran Windows 10 on XP using a combination of VMWare Workstation (Modified EXi Profile for hardware virtualization passtrough) and Virtualbox 5.2 (In my case a modified one i had laying around but the original should work fine).
try using more version of virtualbox
Lets look in the future shall we?
I use to run Windows 7 inside a VM on a netbook running Windows XP back in 2010
please run Android on that netbook
@@user-tj7hk1ss8d Nah the Acer Aspire One is starting to slow when I run Android. I use to use Android as my main OS, but with each update it hurts the Aspire One AOA150-ZG5.
@@ShadowUmbreon do not run Android 8, just get android 6 or 5 or 4 then you are great
but Android x86 does not receive updates once you installed it on your netbook
All the syptoms and error messages are related to the processor not supporting the NX feature. I assume that the old virtualization software you are trying to run Windows 8/10 on just does not have support for NX within the VM, as it was not needed for the older OSes...
You need VMware 9 to do this.
i remember someone actually installing windows 7 on windows 98 lol
And someone running windows 8 on a windows xp tablet
and someone running vista,7,8,10 on a xp tablet
Why not Oracle VirtualBox?
I personally call the Windows 10 bootloader wheel the "dot wheel" or ".wheel", it's the most accurate term I can think of, and it rolls off the tongue to boot. We need to spread the terminology for the sake of simplicity!
i just realized you were using a very old version of virtualbox whch did not have virtualization implemented, if you use the latest 5.2 version of virtualbox it could work.
Windows xp
The emulated processor of the XP VM is missing the required x86 instruction set. Windows 8.0 is the latest version that I believe will run on XP era processors.
I hope you do this, I'm having similar issues trying to install a Windows 8.1 VM on my Windows 10 host, technically I could go to my old HP Stream 11 if I ever wanted to use Windows 8.1 (well Windows 8.1 with Bing, maybe you could do a video on it). The main issue is that virtualization is not enabled
You can enable it on your bios
Go find it somewhere
@@Sulfuricdev that didn't work though, I still got an error and it broke all my other Virtual Machines.
Why didn't you use your Dell Latitude?
Last time this was attempted, the universe imploded.
I was actually trying to do this on a physical Vista install (old computer, just given to me) and I was looking up if it was at all possible.
After seeing this, I'm gonna try this out on my machine.
You can install a much newer version on virtual box on xp
I recall that with Windows 8, Microsoft started requiring hardware DEP to even boot the installer. Ran into that trying to install Windows 8 on an older Pentium 4 machine without DEP, the damn install would just crash with that cryptic black error screen you showed in the video.
Could you emulate a 64 bit processor in a 32 bit machine if you disabled hardware virtualization?
Please try this on real hardware! That would be really interesting to actually see.
Yeah, Virtualbox would have most likely have worked as many other comments are saying. Anyways, good try though! Keep up the good ideas, I am enjoying them! :)
Running a newer system on an older one is a challenge? Windows 10 on Windows 7 or Windows 10 on Windows 8.1 should be pretty easy.
The next best thing that I think you could try is maybe QEMU? I'm not sure if there is a version of QEMU that supports Windows XP but its probably a good place to start
Why are you climbing the mountain - Because its there.
Install XP on a spare HDD on your main PC. Both to try and achieve this and also just because it would be amazing to check out in a video of its own.
I actually did something like this before, but it was with 64-bit Ubuntu being the guest OS instead.
Super nice Michael :)
Those old versions of VB and VMWare Player probably don't support PAE, or SSE2, which is required to run Windows 8 or later. VPC 2007 definitely won't work. I believe VB 5 is the final version to support Windows XP. Try VirtualBox 5 and see if that works.
Where's the video where you run windows 10 on a windows xp computer? It's been over a year now.
14:09 I'm not sure but that may be because PAE/NX is not detected and this happens only with Windows 8 and above. I learned this from one time that i tried to install Windows 8 on a 2002 PC previously running XP 32 bit.
Tried this on a physical machine now and uploaded a video about it, in case anyone's interested in that ^^
Windows 10 inside Windows XP inside Windows 10
My brain : its inception 2
WHY NO IO APIC? I feel like that one is... required.
A few years ago I tried to install Windows 10 on an old laptop (Celeron M from 2007, 32-bit), and it also just got stuck at the windows logo with no spinning animation.
Trying doing this experiment, Host PC running macOS in a VM, then Linux running in macOS, then Windows 10 running in Linux.
It Works on a 64 Bit Windows XP.
you know its old when sun microsystems was around
can you run a virtual machine on Windows 10 running Windows 7 running a virtual machine running Windows XP running a commodore 64 emulation?
Why would you want to downgrade?
great fun guy!!!!
I did this many years ago on my old xp machine thinking it would give me better fps in games lol
Ah yes, I did that too as if *ram and graphics cards didn't exist*
Have you tried booting from that ISO in a PC? Because i've downloaded the official x86 ISO from the Microsoft Download Center and the same happened to me when triying to install 32 bits Windows in a regular PC via USB stick. No wheel spinning, no error messages, just frozen. 64 bits versión worked fine instead.
Hmm that’s interesting. I am going to try this on a real XP machine to see if it yields different results.
I have actually Gotten Windows Vista to work in an XP VM with Virtual PC
I tried Win10 on WinXP (XP as host) and found out that you can install Win10, but you will need a LOT of patience since you can only assign 1.5GB of RAM to the VM since XP is a 32bits OS and can only see 2.9GB of RAM since MS disabled PAE on XP. I also tried with xp 64bits but virtualbox can't install. Don't have 2k3 server ATM, but I assume that you will be able to install on the 32bits release more easily since PAE is enabled on the server editions of Windows.
I tried this on VMware 9 on XP 64-bit. It doesn't work either.
However, I did get it to work by installing a Windows 7 VM, then installing VMware 15 in that, then installing a Windows 10 VM in the Windows 7 VM in Windows XP.
I would likely recommend you guys to use a Super Lite Version of Windows 10 (Tiny10 Recommended) or a Windows 10 PE (Experimental) if you’re going to run Windows 10 inside Windows XP. Also, you need a older version of VMware (like VMware 9.0.2). But yes it is possible to run Windows 10 inside Windows XP.
I’ve ran Windows 8.1 inside my Windows XP VM a while ago, and it’s a Windows 8.1 x86 PE.
i have done 8.1 on xp back in 2014 when i used xp
Sun Virtualbox
How old is that?
i used to run windows 10 vms on my old windows 7 laptop for quite some time lol
Video idea: Running Windows 10 on Windows 1.0
The older vm software might be missing the hardware NX bit that the installer checks for. I know of a Windows 8 workaround but I don't know if anybody ever came up with a Windows 10 workaround.
That VM doesn’t support NX Bit. That’s why it’s not working.
Next vid:Virtual Machine on a virtual machine on a virtual machine
Can't a pre installed hdd vdi be run on the xp vm
Just a quick thing xp WILL NOT RUN natively on any intel cpu newer than 4th gen. A 3930k 3770k or a q6600 would be ideal any thing newer than 2008 should work just make sure it has VT-X compatibility
Once I installed Windows 10 on a 1 GB RAM HP mini laptop, so what could go wrong?
Describe how laggy it was
@@ssupii2631 It was VERY VERY laggy but I could do basic stuff with it. I even used it to cast media using a light projector and I installed a bunch of useful software like Office and stuff. Originally it had Windows XP installed btw
I'd love to see you try this on actual hardware
take a shot everytime Michael says "you know"
and "actually"
I was deceived..
I thought this was running modern Windows 10 apps on XP
Good effort
Itd be slow but couldn't you run a more modern linus inside a vm in XP, then run windows 10 inside virtual box inside that? I imagine youd get a recent distros of debian to boot fine. Even if you can get into vista somehow then emulate onwards?
you could try it on windows xp 64 bit to see what happens. And it'd need to be a p4 prescott to meet the minimum requirements for windows 10, anything less literally doesn't have enough coding. And there is video evidence of it working (on a desktop at least)
It'd also be interesting to see how it runs if windows 10 is tweaked for performance for low end machines as much as possible and given the best scenario hardware (to prove how out of date it is, and what the result would be to upgrade such a machine to show the bottlenecks (temporarily upgrade of course) High end gpu (by modern standards), max ram speed the motherboard can support.
And to be fair if you really want to see the true potential of a p4, there are socket 775 boards with DDR3 support (Dell made some, there are non oem but those are harder to get) It'd also be interesting to put a pentium D extreme edition (2 core with hyperthread) to the same task in the same settings and try to use it in modern use scenarios (technically its capable enough if that is done but barely from what i've seen)
Yes, try and get it running.
What is windows XP like in 2019
AWESOME for games of the era.....I was playing Crysis on my XP box yesterday. It's so good playing the "unplayable on high resolution" game on a PC I got for $10 at the tip....and on maxed out settings aswell....
Although Windows 32bit is limited to 4GB, Windows itself reserves 2GB to the OS and the other 2GB for the rest of the applications.
There's a 3GB switch to enable Windows XP to let the applications use 3GB instead of 2GB, you can try it following these instructions at:
knowledge.autodesk.com/support/autocad/learn-explore/caas/sfdcarticles/sfdcarticles/How-to-enable-a-3GB-switch-on-Windows-Vista-Windows-7-or-Windows-XP-s.html
i tryed VM on a mac the VM is runing windows 10 and the mac is runing MacBook Air (13-inch, Early 2015)
Interesting note, in case you didn't know, Windows 10 will be the last OS to have a 32-bit version available. This is NOT available for Windows 11.
Yes you can’t run Windows 11 on Windows XP 32- bit, but it may be possible to run Windows 11 on Windows XP 64-bit
You should use the PAE hack for your XP virtual machines
is it possible to make a windows 10 gaming pc in the windows xp case with the windows xp os installed
basically
sleeper gaming pc but with the actual os
A modern motherboard in a XP gen ATX case isn't really a nice idea
Amazing Video!
A vm inside a vm, wow
If you go with XP real hardware, you might as well try even older host while you're at it... Windows 2000 Pro.
I believe Vbox version 1.5.6 was the last version to officially support Win2K host.
That was when it was still made by Innotek, before Sun Microsystems.
Well if atleast 5.0 runs on Windows XP (although despite it being lower than the "requirements"), then VBox on Win2K can surely go higher than 1.5.6!
@@mariannmariann2052
I'm sure you're right... Pretty much anything that runs on XP can be backported to 2K.
1.5.6 was just the last "officially" supported version.
I think 5.1.x was the last with XP support.
You can run Windows 10 on windows xp PROVIDED your actual hardware can run it which in this case is the windows xp guest which i doubt is compatible with windows 10
you should use a real windows xp pc that has vt-x/amd-v and virtualbox 5.2 (newest version for windows 32-bit)