The 777 II is just one of those tanks that perform way better than it should though... The armor just works so well for me and the gun also feels way more accurate and reliable than it should. Plus I like that it's a breakthrough heavy so it's actually kinda fast too when you got all the field mods and slap a turbo on it.
@@alwayssearching4760 No, around 2000dpm base still. So definitely not good by 2024 standards. Armor is good and penetration is good, rest is just decent/okay... But it really doesn't have anything that's terrible about it so I guess that's why I get such consistently good results with it... cause while the tank isn't exceptionally good at anything, it's also not got any gigantic flaws.
Totally agree. 777 II was the first token tank I ever got, and I love the thing. Great at sidescraping, low profile, and it really does feel better than it should stats-wise. In a decent matchup, I've trolled enemy teams using it, especially on the beach in Overlord. It may just be a decent overall tank, but when you know how to use it... the thing is a beast.
The typical russian low profile is a massive hidden stat. This thing can sit in dips that other tanks don't even feel the bump, and find cover behind building edges where taller tanks can't.
The times I don’t have premium account running playing the cobra loses it’s fun cause you lose wayyyy to many credits. I agree though Cobra followed by Char are most fun
I gotta agree to disagree, only fun when you have at least 3 skill crew Brothers in arms Repairs And focus of distinct play styles on third skill, depending on individual gaming style
The Kunzepanzer is absolutly awesome. The key is to get used to the accuracy outside the siege mode. 0.40 accuracy is not that bad at close to mid range and when you actually need the increased stats from the siege mode you can use that instead. But I don't actually enter the siege mode that often unles i fight at >350m or need to snipe weak spots. It is for most situations a Leo PTA with better DPM, gun depression (even outside the siege mode) and realy good camo values.
I know you rank the char at an S and I agree, but there are so many people who play it badly that it sometimes feels like a Super Hellcat is on the other team.
My overall winrate is 53% after 13k battles but my fully modded char has 45% winrate. Char reminded me that i can't be good at every tanks, so i sold it.
@@Todsor I play the char mostly with a camo/spotting build. Means exhaust, CVS, and bond vents. Got over 62% win in it and just recently 3-marked it. Love this tank 😊
The Kunze is by far my best tank, its the most reliable sniper, is very fast, has this amaizing GD and overall very satisfying to shoot with. If there is something to be picky about its the cmmo rating for what a good sniper it is. I wish it would get a lil bit more
....are we talking about the same Kunzepanzer? Because it has like the second best camo of all T9 meds, significantly better than the Leo PTA and second only to the 430 if i remember correctly...
I would have thought so as well, but in it and T28 I'm having surprising luck bouncing gold and doing decent damage if a) I can keep up with the battle and b) I'm not overaggressive
Yeah this tank was just hard for me to make use of efficiently I more often than not keep playing this tank without its siege mode because of the long reload and slow speed within it And at that point I feel like a leo wouldve just been better and more comfortable Also I feel like the accuracy of the tank is kind of scuffed at times, even within the siege mode
@@neeevirus you only use the siege mode to sniper and then you have to switch the modes permanent to make your dpn good and also hit your shots. On some maps you never use the siege mode.
I've got the AE Phase, Char, K91, Cobra and just recently the TS 60 cause I saw it was probably the next best one. It is actually decent and the armor is good, especially on town maps but boy I've gotten a lot of shit head teammates in this. Personally the Cobra is much more fun to just run round a corner and eat a tanks hp like it was nothing. The only real downside of the cobra is it's massive reload time so if you get caught out you're almost certainly dead.
@@CreedBrattonTheOffice I think another problem of the cobra would be the very high shell costs. If you want to play the tank competetive with the full potential, you have to load hesh. And this is very expansive, especially if the shots not penetrate or hit (which is very common on higher distances).
I don’t have time to watch this whole video so I’m just going to look at the final table at 29:19 and grab the two tanks that have been highlighted in green and have fun fun fun… 😢
Cobra is the fun meme machine and against lower tiers it has turret of kranvagn, but the ae phase 1 is by far the most effective tank. It is a superior tank to chief proto. 340 heat solves alot of problems on the battlefield.
I love the Kpz 3, compared to Swedish counter parts, it has 3 degrees of gun depression outside siege mode, which gives it a kind of flexibility the swedes don't have, I set up the tank for use almost only in travel mode, high top speed, high cameo, high rate of fire , only use siege mode when there is a tricky shot
Yep, most streamer cannot think that out of the box. it is NOT a Swedish TD and have to be played completely different. On top most people think you have to play the Swedish one like redline snipers, what is wrong too - you can go absolute aggressive with this ones, but this is another story most streamers wont tell.
The siege mode on Kunzepanzer is the annoying thing. But you rarely need to use it. I'm using IAU vents and rammer and with field mods the dispersion gets down to 0.31 and it starts hitting anything without the use of siege mod. I love this tank. I put it as a third pick after Char and Cobra. And I got all the BP tanks.
The key to the Kpz 03 is to rarely use the siege mode and just roll with the crazy good reload time in regular mode. You'll have to use the terrain to aim though, but it works pretty well if you know your maps.
I agree with your criteria, I'm not sure I align too well with the letters. Granted all tier lists are personal, but having heavy criticism vs some stuff like the BZ and still giving them a B doesn't really feel accurate to me. Thanks for the in-depth explanation though!
It’s funny I would have to say I enjoy the obj 777, kpz 3, and tt-130 most from this list. But maybe I just like causing myself pain idk. I’ve always enjoyed making weird or bad tanks work though I would not call any of them bad
Have to a agree on the Char Futur 4. It's awesome. I have 64% winrate in it with around 250-300 battles in it and with regular equipement. Have 24 tokens now and I either want to save for the Cobra or buy bounty equipement. I already have all the 12 token tanks.
I love my 777, and its kinda rare to see it on the field, so alot regular players dont know how to deal with it, the turret weakpoint is so small, as long as you dont go to close to those tall tanks, alot of tank will have problem pen 777 turret. But if you get close, alot tall tank can easily fire down and pen u turret roof!!! Most under-rated rewarded tank! Char>AE>777>K-91>TS. All others have either high skill demands or just too situational to be fun/worth the time. WG should let ppl rate their tank in game. :)
I have bought the Phase AE1, Char Futur 4, Cobra and new TS-60 which I enjoy. I do actually have and love the Kunze Panzer, I know it's not an easy tank to play but it is very fast and mobile and the gun is decent, I almost never use the siege mode and it works fine for me. I have bought Obj. 777 II but I eventually sold it for credits because it's such a boring tank, I do very well with it but I would rather play with other tanks. I also bought the Lorraine 50 t and that's my biggest regret, this tank is absolut garbage and a waste of space sold it and will never think about it again. My favourite is and will always be the Char Futur 4, I have Chuck Norris as the commander and the skin on it as well because IT KICKS ASS.
Kunzer is fun, playing aggressively with it camo and small size is rewarding. The gun is surprisingly good even not in siege mode (be patient with aim time). Out of siege mode - u have dpm and speed In siege mode - in 2 sec u have 15deg depression On top of that u have good camo. I can understand if u are not suggesting kunzer for below average player bcs it is demanding to make it effective.
These are the tanks I have and would recommend getting in this order. AE Phase 1 - Solid heavy tank. Has a lousy ROF but solid heavy tank Kunzepanzer or TS-60 - I prefer the Kunzer over the Leo PTA, it's fast, small, compact and has good camo and the hydropneumatic suspension can be very helpful. It has a wonky gun system and ROF depending upon what mode you are in but it's easy once you get the hang of it. TS-60 I just got and it seems like a good solid heavy TD that fill multiple rolls though it doesn't excel in all those roles. Char Future - Really good tank if you have the patience with it. ONLY shines really well with a good crew, food, equipment and all the mods researched. Hard tank to play but very good once you learn it. I didn't care for it that much until I had the right mods in place. K91 - Fast good ROF TD. Nothing special just solid all around Cobra - for the luls when it works. Lorraine 50 t or T-777 II - Both are meth tanks. The Lorraine is fast and that's the only good thing about it. The 777 has good armor if you can side scrape but it's ROF is poor.
With the Kunze It might be an age thing(same as myself!) QB but probably not tbh. Yes, the siege mode is very annoying and only serves to gimp the tank too much while in it for dpm and mobility and for what gain? Basically the same accuracy the Leo PTA has WITHOUT the siege mode gimping. In fact, because the Leo PTA is superior in practically all areas that matter most, it makes an actually decent 390 alpha sneaky pseudo scouting/sniper med Kunze utterly pointless. I actually marked the Kunze with a scouting build and that was the only actually fun I had with it, but I've not played it since nor will I, unlike the Char Futur which is pure joy and yes, over powered. It's actually a good thing the BC is getting a buff because the Char effectively retired the tier 9 and 10 tech tree alternatives. The 3 second intra is annoying at first but actually serves over-excited and nervous players the time they need to properly fully aim their next shot. If the intraclip was faster I'd actually expect sever average damage to drop ironically.
I think it was Skill which lately downrated the Kunze Panzer too. What Skill and QB seem to forget, the excellent combination of Camo and Viewrange. The very good Mobility. By all means this tank works well as light. In addition the siege mode allows you to fight at a fair number of sloped positions. And for city maps you have a very good dpm. Overall the flexibility of this tank is incredible. This makes it however, IMHO, hard to play for beginners. But if you are able to make use of the flexibility, then it is a tank which I see in same league as Char Future or Cobra. Of course there are difference, would be boring otherwise ,
Because the German TD is such an extremely situation, limited, awkward and vulnerable piece of.... it really needed either burst damage auto-loader, or a big alpha Grille style gun, or ultra-fast siege transition. One of those 3 options. As it is, it's just shhhh
I agree with most of your comments on the tanks. I’m partially of a different opinion on the KPZ. I feel that while it may not be as good as the strv series, and it’s alpha isn’t the best… it’s still a decent tank. Just about every game I’ve played in it has been me shredding the enemy team to pieces. When I die, it’s either because they 1) arty me to death, 2) spot me when close and shoot the small mg cupola, or 3) the most often… my team is being rash and dying early game. Instead of a D-tier tank, I’d at least put it up into the C-tier… maybe B depending on how you set it up.
11:52 got one of my highest spotting damage games in this thing on Ghost Town, 8K+ spotting damage and 3,5K+ actual damage it was an experimental round for me, since I used Optics, Vents and Exhaust on it and went through the light tank bushline, spotting everyone, when I saw that the MM didn't put light tanks in the battle, I knew this tank would be the perfect scout
Take TT-103M heavy tank u won't regret it, if u have surplus tokens cobra is next, AE Phase I is good but comparing with TT 103 he is second good heavy tank. Char futur is also good depends of your prefered gameplay but bear in mind Cobra and Char futur have long loading times so u must play carefuly with those tanks, Kunze panzer is like Udes 13/14 with hydraulics type and also good pen and acuracy, so chose wisely.
my favorite of the bunch is a the TS-60. really solid and side-scraping or hull-down it's a beast. as far as the Char - yea, it's good; but i don't have it because i have the tier10 batchat and don't see the point of adding the tier9. i've already got too many good tanks! LOL
I hate the Char Futur but that's because I like so much my Skoda T50. I prefer the faster reload and the better intra clip. Char Futur is a better scout when needed.
IDK, I feel like I never get the hang of the autoloaders so I just can't see the Char F4 being enjoyable I used to had the Lorr. 40, and did terrible with it Same with the T77 It's just the fact that I have to wait so long between engagements that kills it for me
Under the counter for your available tokens is the information written that the tokens will be deleted withhout any payback on dec 21st. It means that you won't get automatically bonds for your unused tokens. Kunze is awesome
I have all the ones B and above apart from Kunze and I think that’s a C. Thankfully I don’t have any of the others!! So I mostly agree with this assessment
If I can add one comment, the TS-60 has an opponent at tier 9: the CC 1 Mk. 2. The TS-60 because of its raw DPM will do well against lower tier but I would rather sit in a CC 1 Mk. 2 vs tier 10 tanks (average player thoughts)
Totally disagree on Kunze. Its like a Leo PTA mixed with some Light Tank. You can play it with full spot setup and be one of the best Tier 9 Lights or play on full gun handling and dont need Seechmode. Id rather call it Sniper Mode. I only use it for like really long range sniping on Malinovka, prokorovka and so on. On medium maps i only use seechemode when i teally need that gun depression. Plus : wenn in seechemode on full gun depression the Tower can also bounce some shells. Even big caliber rounds. Kunze is my overall Fav Tier 9 Medium right beside the PTA
only time i play these tanks is to train crew. they dont earn credits so they are pointless for ppl who still grind tanks. So my advice is to chose based on natioanlity. if you dont have french heavy and you grind those lines take that so that you can use them to train crew. Afther 50 battles that will be only reason to play these tanks. Only those who have all tanks in tech tree should care for these things which quicky mention.
Gives out more coins, but immediately charges more coins ... /sigh - As for the tanks, have several of them, none are go-to's at this point, but the Char is fun when I do roll out in it. The rest fall into my "oh, when was the last time I played that one?" kind of garage queen status.
(04:00) Actually this and the T95 are the naturals on that reserve track.... dont understand why WG dont do it... I agree TT 130M should get the 2 shot autoloader and better penetration and BZ58-2 really would be very nice with the chinese jet packs, i will not even talk about KPz 3 and the Lorraine, those really need some love..
QB is NOT playing when he is shooting at tanks in WOT. If you ddrive the Kunze Panzer you can either concentrate on playing the tank or shooting at other tanks... with you tank, BUT YOU ARE NOT PLAYEING WHEN SHOOTING.
The only two tanks I don't have is the Lorraine 50 t and the KPz 3 Pr. 07HK and I'm not sure that I even want the Lorraine and won't be able to get enough tokens to get the KPz so unless they introduce a tank for 24 tokens it looks like I will be getting the bonds to put toward the Obj 268/5 from the bond shop
Most Players need to get the KISS Method Tanks First and leave the Gimmick Tanks for another Time... You can Double Up on the KISS Method Tanks, and like you said, get Equipment FOR those KISS Method Tanks while doing it... The Gimmick Tanks require Knowing More than most Typical Players WANT to Know anyway, they're getting them because the OP'ness of them when they get Taken Out by them or Following the Herd of what's the "Meta" Tanks... KISS Method Tanks, the Keep it Simple Stupid Tanks, would be the AE, 777, K91 PT, BZ, Lorr, and the TS60... Most everything Else has some sort of Gimmick that'll require Extra Thinking, and the players anymore seem to leave Thinking to the Real World and not a Round of Pixel Tanks.... I'd PROBABLY put the TT130 into the KISS Method Line maybe, because once you Run thru the Rockets, you're nothing Special, and I save the Rockets for Later in the Game anyway in Mine... Think about it, if you can Play the Maus and THAT Mobility doesn't Bother You, then the TT130 should be Just Fine without using the Rockets... Exceptions might be if you're Good in Autoloaders or Reloaders, the Char'll be almost a No Brainer, the Interclip'll be the Worst Experience you Have in it... The Kpz HK, someone at WG didn't look Real Hard at the Model when they Designed it because the Breach is Outside the Tank, nothing about it would be Convenient for any Crew to Operate... It's almost like it wasn't Meant for Gun Depression, but Firing OVER Obstacles like Walls and Things, where the Hull is Never Seen at All, just the Gun... The Cobra is for People that Live Life Dangerously, Rush In, Drop the Clip, and Hope to get back Out with their Skin Intact, and right now that seems to be the Play Style of 90% of WoT with these 5min Matches and 15:3 Blowouts... As for the Kunze, most everyone I know doesn't even USE the Gimmick at All, they don't Care about the Gun Depression if it Hurts the DPM, the Siege Mode on it is a Wasted Gimmick for Nothing, if it were to get a Buff, just Remove the Mechanic alotta People don't Use anyway, Buff Successful...
Man you did AE Phase dirty. That tank is a slightly better version of the Conqueror, which is an insane tank for tier 9. AE Phase is at least an A tier in terms of power Edit: Lorraine is insanely good wtf. You just need to know how to play it and stay sneaky. You don't have to sit in one place and shoot. You have to poke all the time and then you will have insane rewards
Lol no, it's not better than Conqueror. Conq has MUCH better gun handling and accuracy wich means therr is no need to use vert stabs or improved aiming unlike on Phase I, Conq has HESH rounds, premium rounds are better beacuse APCR has 2° of normalization, so 326 APCR is just as good as 340 HEAT but they can go through spaced armour and they have better velocity, Conq also has 150 HP more, 10m better view range and turret armour is only bit better on Phase I
@@adioperta1451 now that you put it out like this, I think I was wrong with this comparison. I forgot how good the Conq actually is. Still, AE Phase is an insane tank
I would like to find this great armor in the TS-60. Got it and is the most frustrating battle pass tank that I've got. Even sidescraping perfectly, EVERY T10 pens your turret with heat. Even a lot of T9s. Very, VERY dissapointing tank.
Personally, the Char Fut and Kunze P are the ONLY "Good" tanks. I can't speak on the heavy's because I can't play them anymore, save maybe one or two in the game. People think the Cobra, but it's FAR too "situational".... It's not good because it can't be "consistent". It's so BAD in fact that I sold it.
Next time, also take into account what the rating is for facing them. Also, "novelty" None of these tanks have anything 'novel' going on. Arguably the only exception might be the non-swedish-german STRV because it could theoretically work outside siege mode as a casemate tank. But all the other are just the same old thing with just some numbers tweaked. The char is just an autoloader with a long(er) intraclip, nothing special there.
I would like to be able to get ranking tanks playing something other than tier 10. Tier 10 is just boring beyond belief. I'd enjoy trying to do tier 6-9 as well for ranking.
Can we get a video like this but for the current Bond Vehicles please, I really wanna know. Thanks QB!
121B, that's it.
Wargaming after 2020 be like: oops, we shouldn’t offer too many fun and competitive tanks for free.
The good old days back when you can earn these tokens from grinding in frontlines and steel hunter
that happened way before 2020, more like 2016
what are you talking about? The cheapest tanks are the most competitive. They could have easily increased the price of Char and AE. Try again
The 777 II is just one of those tanks that perform way better than it should though...
The armor just works so well for me and the gun also feels way more accurate and reliable than it should.
Plus I like that it's a breakthrough heavy so it's actually kinda fast too when you got all the field mods and slap a turbo on it.
Did they buff the dpm? The reload time was so bad for me I got rid of it
@@alwayssearching4760 No, around 2000dpm base still. So definitely not good by 2024 standards.
Armor is good and penetration is good, rest is just decent/okay...
But it really doesn't have anything that's terrible about it so I guess that's why I get such consistently good results with it... cause while the tank isn't exceptionally good at anything, it's also not got any gigantic flaws.
@@warkus123 yeah its a fine tank, dont get the hate. Little boring to play is only complaint as its one of a bazillion Russian heavies.
Totally agree. 777 II was the first token tank I ever got, and I love the thing. Great at sidescraping, low profile, and it really does feel better than it should stats-wise. In a decent matchup, I've trolled enemy teams using it, especially on the beach in Overlord. It may just be a decent overall tank, but when you know how to use it... the thing is a beast.
The typical russian low profile is a massive hidden stat. This thing can sit in dips that other tanks don't even feel the bump, and find cover behind building edges where taller tanks can't.
Cobra is the most unique fun one
I agree
Cobruh moment
Also it reminds me of those old steel hunter tanks
The times I don’t have premium account running playing the cobra loses it’s fun cause you lose wayyyy to many credits. I agree though Cobra followed by Char are most fun
If the gun works. When you have your barrel inside the enemy's tank and miss all four shots - not so much.
I gotta agree to disagree, only fun when you have at least 3 skill crew
Brothers in arms
Repairs
And focus of distinct play styles on third skill, depending on individual gaming style
The Kunzepanzer is absolutly awesome.
The key is to get used to the accuracy outside the siege mode. 0.40 accuracy is not that bad at close to mid range and when you actually need the increased stats from the siege mode you can use that instead. But I don't actually enter the siege mode that often unles i fight at >350m or need to snipe weak spots.
It is for most situations a Leo PTA with better DPM, gun depression (even outside the siege mode) and realy good camo values.
I play this tank like a TD and have great sucess with it
I know you rank the char at an S and I agree, but there are so many people who play it badly that it sometimes feels like a Super Hellcat is on the other team.
People who play the char futur 4 because it's a better bc 25t when that thing is worst before the next update 😅
My overall winrate is 53% after 13k battles but my fully modded char has 45% winrate. Char reminded me that i can't be good at every tanks, so i sold it.
@@Todsor I play the char mostly with a camo/spotting build. Means exhaust, CVS, and bond vents. Got over 62% win in it and just recently 3-marked it. Love this tank 😊
@@MatthiasBouillon Its so nice to play, and the armor is kinda trollish. I will definitely put some bond equip on this tank
I wish all the KPz 3 Pr.07HK enjoyers a wonderful evening 🥂
Using it during brawl is so fabulous. They wont expect that DPM. Add in turbo and your entire tank became a really fast turret.
The Kunze is by far my best tank, its the most reliable sniper, is very fast, has this amaizing GD and overall very satisfying to shoot with. If there is something to be picky about its the cmmo rating for what a good sniper it is. I wish it would get a lil bit more
mate whatever u say about its still gonna be shiit tank not worth the tokens
....are we talking about the same Kunzepanzer? Because it has like the second best camo of all T9 meds, significantly better than the Leo PTA and second only to the 430 if i remember correctly...
Green bad, orange good and red excellent. Uh. Ok!
maybe he is color blind?
ever buy a stock before?
BLUE IS COLD RED IS HOT
@@QuickyBabyTV and black is no color and the sun is not yellow!!!111!!!
Wow the T95 Doom Turtle is still ranked amongst the top. I thought it had fallen out of favour and got power-crept.
I would have thought so as well, but in it and T28 I'm having surprising luck bouncing gold and doing decent damage if a) I can keep up with the battle and b) I'm not overaggressive
picked up the kunzepanzer last week, and i really enjoy it. But i must say u have to be a above average player for this vehicle to work.
Yeah this tank was just hard for me to make use of efficiently
I more often than not keep playing this tank without its siege mode because of the long reload and slow speed within it
And at that point I feel like a leo wouldve just been better and more comfortable
Also I feel like the accuracy of the tank is kind of scuffed at times, even within the siege mode
@@neeevirus, yes, the Leopard PT A is the better tank.But the Kunze can still do things the Leopard can‘t.
@@neeevirus i advise u to watch Skill4ltu’s video of this tank. He explains pretty good how to play the kunze panzer. It helped me a lot.
@@neeevirusi advise u to watch Skill4ltu’s video of this tank. He explains pretty good how to play The Kunze panzer. It helped me a lot
@@neeevirus you only use the siege mode to sniper and then you have to switch the modes permanent to make your dpn good and also hit your shots. On some maps you never use the siege mode.
Is the Cobra already in the game for two years? Damn times goes fast..
I will buy the TS 60. I already have the AE Phase I, and the Char Futur 4.
I've got the AE Phase, Char, K91, Cobra and just recently the TS 60 cause I saw it was probably the next best one. It is actually decent and the armor is good, especially on town maps but boy I've gotten a lot of shit head teammates in this. Personally the Cobra is much more fun to just run round a corner and eat a tanks hp like it was nothing. The only real downside of the cobra is it's massive reload time so if you get caught out you're almost certainly dead.
@@CreedBrattonTheOffice I think another problem of the cobra would be the very high shell costs. If you want to play the tank competetive with the full potential, you have to load hesh. And this is very expansive, especially if the shots not penetrate or hit (which is very common on higher distances).
The Lorraine and the Kpz are marked in green, so they must good. The Char Futur is marked in red so it surely sucks. Lol.
Cobra's view range is also a weakness. Taking coated optics hurts this tanks abilities way too much.
I don’t have time to watch this whole video so I’m just going to look at the final table at 29:19 and grab the two tanks that have been highlighted in green and have fun fun fun… 😢
K91 pt has horrible gunhandling and disgusting bloom on hull travers
Yes, for 390 alpha, but still more than usable machine😉.
@@kosztypatrik7028 well i hate it and on the other hand i live lorr50 😳
IRM or Experimental Mobility time. Haven't played it, but tanks like that need these equipment.
imho it plays like a big brother of an E25
K91pt can't penetrate anything even with premium rounds. very wield.
Cobra is the fun meme machine and against lower tiers it has turret of kranvagn, but the ae phase 1 is by far the most effective tank. It is a superior tank to chief proto. 340 heat solves alot of problems on the battlefield.
I really like the Kunze panzer, It always manage to surprise me , how well I manage to do in it, so I would give it A for the Fun perspective
I love the Kpz 3, compared to Swedish counter parts, it has 3 degrees of gun depression outside siege mode, which gives it a kind of flexibility the swedes don't have, I set up the tank for use almost only in travel mode, high top speed, high cameo, high rate of fire , only use siege mode when there is a tricky shot
Agreed
Yep, most streamer cannot think that out of the box. it is NOT a Swedish TD and have to be played completely different.
On top most people think you have to play the Swedish one like redline snipers, what is wrong too - you can go absolute aggressive with this ones, but this is another story most streamers wont tell.
The BZ 58-2 is my favorite tank to play. I have 100 plus games in it. 71% win rate. Average around 3000 damage. My favorite token tank, so far.
The siege mode on Kunzepanzer is the annoying thing. But you rarely need to use it. I'm using IAU vents and rammer and with field mods the dispersion gets down to 0.31 and it starts hitting anything without the use of siege mod. I love this tank. I put it as a third pick after Char and Cobra. And I got all the BP tanks.
the Lorraine 50T is easy to buff, Gun stats, lower aimtime, better DPM or higher alpha, and more engine power so it can use the top speed it has.
The key to the Kpz 03 is to rarely use the siege mode and just roll with the crazy good reload time in regular mode. You'll have to use the terrain to aim though, but it works pretty well if you know your maps.
I agree with your criteria, I'm not sure I align too well with the letters. Granted all tier lists are personal, but having heavy criticism vs some stuff like the BZ and still giving them a B doesn't really feel accurate to me. Thanks for the in-depth explanation though!
I love the kzp3 it’s awesome. Half the tier 8s can’t pen it and none of the tier 7s can
It’s funny I would have to say I enjoy the obj 777, kpz 3, and tt-130 most from this list. But maybe I just like causing myself pain idk. I’ve always enjoyed making weird or bad tanks work though I would not call any of them bad
Have to a agree on the Char Futur 4.
It's awesome. I have 64% winrate in it with around 250-300 battles in it and with regular equipement.
Have 24 tokens now and I either want to save for the Cobra or buy bounty equipement. I already have all the 12 token tanks.
Thanks, I am saving for Cobra all year, already got Char and other cheap ones, so it looks justified.
I love my 777, and its kinda rare to see it on the field, so alot regular players dont know how to deal with it, the turret weakpoint is so small, as long as you dont go to close to those tall tanks, alot of tank will have problem pen 777 turret. But if you get close, alot tall tank can easily fire down and pen u turret roof!!! Most under-rated rewarded tank! Char>AE>777>K-91>TS. All others have either high skill demands or just too situational to be fun/worth the time. WG should let ppl rate their tank in game. :)
I have bought the Phase AE1, Char Futur 4, Cobra and new TS-60 which I enjoy. I do actually have and love the Kunze Panzer, I know it's not an easy tank to play but it is very fast and mobile and the gun is decent, I almost never use the siege mode and it works fine for me. I have bought Obj. 777 II but I eventually sold it for credits because it's such a boring tank, I do very well with it but I would rather play with other tanks. I also bought the Lorraine 50 t and that's my biggest regret, this tank is absolut garbage and a waste of space sold it and will never think about it again. My favourite is and will always be the Char Futur 4, I have Chuck Norris as the commander and the skin on it as well because IT KICKS ASS.
Kunzer is fun, playing aggressively with it camo and small size is rewarding. The gun is surprisingly good even not in siege mode (be patient with aim time).
Out of siege mode - u have dpm and speed
In siege mode - in 2 sec u have 15deg depression
On top of that u have good camo.
I can understand if u are not suggesting kunzer for below average player bcs it is demanding to make it effective.
These are the tanks I have and would recommend getting in this order.
AE Phase 1 - Solid heavy tank. Has a lousy ROF but solid heavy tank
Kunzepanzer or TS-60 - I prefer the Kunzer over the Leo PTA, it's fast, small, compact and has good camo and the hydropneumatic suspension can be very helpful. It has a wonky gun system and ROF depending upon what mode you are in but it's easy once you get the hang of it. TS-60 I just got and it seems like a good solid heavy TD that fill multiple rolls though it doesn't excel in all those roles.
Char Future - Really good tank if you have the patience with it. ONLY shines really well with a good crew, food, equipment and all the mods researched. Hard tank to play but very good once you learn it. I didn't care for it that much until I had the right mods in place.
K91 - Fast good ROF TD. Nothing special just solid all around
Cobra - for the luls when it works.
Lorraine 50 t or T-777 II - Both are meth tanks. The Lorraine is fast and that's the only good thing about it. The 777 has good armor if you can side scrape but it's ROF is poor.
With the Kunze It might be an age thing(same as myself!) QB but probably not tbh.
Yes, the siege mode is very annoying and only serves to gimp the tank too much while in it for dpm and mobility and for what gain? Basically the same accuracy the Leo PTA has WITHOUT the siege mode gimping.
In fact, because the Leo PTA is superior in practically all areas that matter most, it makes an actually decent 390 alpha sneaky pseudo scouting/sniper med Kunze utterly pointless.
I actually marked the Kunze with a scouting build and that was the only actually fun I had with it, but I've not played it since nor will I, unlike the Char Futur which is pure joy and yes, over powered. It's actually a good thing the BC is getting a buff because the Char effectively retired the tier 9 and 10 tech tree alternatives. The 3 second intra is annoying at first but actually serves over-excited and nervous players the time they need to properly fully aim their next shot. If the intraclip was faster I'd actually expect sever average damage to drop ironically.
I think it was Skill which lately downrated the Kunze Panzer too. What Skill and QB seem to forget, the excellent combination of Camo and Viewrange. The very good Mobility. By all means this tank works well as light. In addition the siege mode allows you to fight at a fair number of sloped positions. And for city maps you have a very good dpm. Overall the flexibility of this tank is incredible. This makes it however, IMHO, hard to play for beginners. But if you are able to make use of the flexibility, then it is a tank which I see in same league as Char Future or Cobra. Of course there are difference, would be boring otherwise ,
I love the sound of a 60TP AP bouncing on my Cobra turret.
Because the German TD is such an extremely situation, limited, awkward and vulnerable piece of.... it really needed either burst damage auto-loader, or a big alpha Grille style gun, or ultra-fast siege transition. One of those 3 options. As it is, it's just shhhh
I agree with most of your comments on the tanks. I’m partially of a different opinion on the KPZ. I feel that while it may not be as good as the strv series, and it’s alpha isn’t the best… it’s still a decent tank. Just about every game I’ve played in it has been me shredding the enemy team to pieces. When I die, it’s either because they 1) arty me to death, 2) spot me when close and shoot the small mg cupola, or 3) the most often… my team is being rash and dying early game. Instead of a D-tier tank, I’d at least put it up into the C-tier… maybe B depending on how you set it up.
11:52 got one of my highest spotting damage games in this thing on Ghost Town, 8K+ spotting damage and 3,5K+ actual damage
it was an experimental round for me, since I used Optics, Vents and Exhaust on it and went through the light tank bushline, spotting everyone, when I saw that the MM didn't put light tanks in the battle, I knew this tank would be the perfect scout
And also, please WG give the AE Phase1 the reserve track mechanic.
Take TT-103M heavy tank u won't regret it, if u have surplus tokens cobra is next, AE Phase I is good but comparing with TT 103 he is second good heavy tank. Char futur is also good depends of your prefered gameplay but bear in mind Cobra and Char futur have long loading times so u must play carefuly with those tanks, Kunze panzer is like Udes 13/14 with hydraulics type and also good pen and acuracy, so chose wisely.
im very glad WG increased Cobras prize
That TS 60 is like the wish version of the death star.
With so many tanks having 10° of gun depression; it's not even a privilege or benefit anymore.
my favorite of the bunch is a the TS-60. really solid and side-scraping or hull-down it's a beast. as far as the Char - yea, it's good; but i don't have it because i have the tier10 batchat and don't see the point of adding the tier9. i've already got too many good tanks! LOL
Char futur 4 and type64 (tier6) , ones of the funniest in the game.
I hate the Char Futur but that's because I like so much my Skoda T50. I prefer the faster reload and the better intra clip. Char Futur is a better scout when needed.
I like the AE Phase 1 better than the Chieftan Proto. Hav em both, I think the Phase's gun is a bit better... Both good tanks tho.
The Cobra with bond equipments and full HESH is great
Got TS-60, have AE, KPZ and char from previous seasons. TS-60 is noob friendly which is ideal for me.
For me list is Cobra, Char, Phase 1, K91 pt, TS 60, Kunze, don't even look at the rest and better use the tokens for equipment and bonds
When I look at the char futur inside the token store I get that its price has increased significantly up to 18.
I love the Char. Awesome tank.
I would go Char, AE, Cobra, everything else if you have tokens. And i have all of this tanks.
it always amazes me how good QB is at using spreadsheets, excel stream when?
IDK, I feel like I never get the hang of the autoloaders so I just can't see the Char F4 being enjoyable
I used to had the Lorr. 40, and did terrible with it
Same with the T77
It's just the fact that I have to wait so long between engagements that kills it for me
Under the counter for your available tokens is the information written that the tokens will be deleted withhout any payback on dec 21st. It means that you won't get automatically bonds for your unused tokens.
Kunze is awesome
Hmm in my opinion you should Rank them from 1 to 5 or from 1 to 10.
Some people might get this A B C G S ranking confusing.
Kunze panzer works surprisingly good for me
I have all the ones B and above apart from Kunze and I think that’s a C. Thankfully I don’t have any of the others!! So I mostly agree with this assessment
Agree whole-heartedly on S tier Char Futur.
Ill be taking credit boosters instead of mediocre tanks. Enough of it .
If I can add one comment, the TS-60 has an opponent at tier 9: the CC 1 Mk. 2. The TS-60 because of its raw DPM will do well against lower tier but I would rather sit in a CC 1 Mk. 2 vs tier 10 tanks (average player thoughts)
Totally disagree on Kunze. Its like a Leo PTA mixed with some Light Tank. You can play it with full spot setup and be one of the best Tier 9 Lights or play on full gun handling and dont need Seechmode. Id rather call it Sniper Mode. I only use it for like really long range sniping on Malinovka, prokorovka and so on. On medium maps i only use seechemode when i teally need that gun depression. Plus : wenn in seechemode on full gun depression the Tower can also bounce some shells. Even big caliber rounds. Kunze is my overall Fav Tier 9 Medium right beside the PTA
Char, then AE phase 1, then cobra imho
I'm not sure if you've done this one already, but it would be nice for you to do one of these for the bond tanks.
only time i play these tanks is to train crew. they dont earn credits so they are pointless for ppl who still grind tanks. So my advice is to chose based on natioanlity. if you dont have french heavy and you grind those lines take that so that you can use them to train crew. Afther 50 battles that will be only reason to play these tanks.
Only those who have all tanks in tech tree should care for these things which quicky mention.
Nice to not have to bother with BP since getting the Cobra when it was released, I guess.
I got the TT 130M and i realy enjoy it, back to the day when pancake tanks not allow to have more than 5 gun depesstion.
Gives out more coins, but immediately charges more coins ... /sigh - As for the tanks, have several of them, none are go-to's at this point, but the Char is fun when I do roll out in it. The rest fall into my "oh, when was the last time I played that one?" kind of garage queen status.
Been really enjoying the ae and the k-91 pt. Definitely will be going for the obj 777 next time i think. I need more soviet tanks in my garage
(04:00) Actually this and the T95 are the naturals on that reserve track.... dont understand why WG dont do it... I agree TT 130M should get the 2 shot autoloader and better penetration and BZ58-2 really would be very nice with the chinese jet packs, i will not even talk about KPz 3 and the Lorraine, those really need some love..
QB is NOT playing when he is shooting at tanks in WOT. If you ddrive the Kunze Panzer you can either concentrate on playing the tank or shooting at other tanks... with you tank, BUT YOU ARE NOT PLAYEING WHEN SHOOTING.
Thanks ! I'm getting down to only a couple tanks left to choose from..
The only two tanks I don't have is the Lorraine 50 t and the KPz 3 Pr. 07HK and I'm not sure that I even want the Lorraine and won't be able to get enough tokens to get the KPz so unless they introduce a tank for 24 tokens it looks like I will be getting the bonds to put toward the Obj 268/5 from the bond shop
Most Players need to get the KISS Method Tanks First and leave the Gimmick Tanks for another Time... You can Double Up on the KISS Method Tanks, and like you said, get Equipment FOR those KISS Method Tanks while doing it... The Gimmick Tanks require Knowing More than most Typical Players WANT to Know anyway, they're getting them because the OP'ness of them when they get Taken Out by them or Following the Herd of what's the "Meta" Tanks...
KISS Method Tanks, the Keep it Simple Stupid Tanks, would be the AE, 777, K91 PT, BZ, Lorr, and the TS60... Most everything Else has some sort of Gimmick that'll require Extra Thinking, and the players anymore seem to leave Thinking to the Real World and not a Round of Pixel Tanks.... I'd PROBABLY put the TT130 into the KISS Method Line maybe, because once you Run thru the Rockets, you're nothing Special, and I save the Rockets for Later in the Game anyway in Mine... Think about it, if you can Play the Maus and THAT Mobility doesn't Bother You, then the TT130 should be Just Fine without using the Rockets...
Exceptions might be if you're Good in Autoloaders or Reloaders, the Char'll be almost a No Brainer, the Interclip'll be the Worst Experience you Have in it... The Kpz HK, someone at WG didn't look Real Hard at the Model when they Designed it because the Breach is Outside the Tank, nothing about it would be Convenient for any Crew to Operate... It's almost like it wasn't Meant for Gun Depression, but Firing OVER Obstacles like Walls and Things, where the Hull is Never Seen at All, just the Gun... The Cobra is for People that Live Life Dangerously, Rush In, Drop the Clip, and Hope to get back Out with their Skin Intact, and right now that seems to be the Play Style of 90% of WoT with these 5min Matches and 15:3 Blowouts... As for the Kunze, most everyone I know doesn't even USE the Gimmick at All, they don't Care about the Gun Depression if it Hurts the DPM, the Siege Mode on it is a Wasted Gimmick for Nothing, if it were to get a Buff, just Remove the Mechanic alotta People don't Use anyway, Buff Successful...
Kunze is just an insane tank for me. 3 Marked it in 120 games.
We need buff for rinocoronte. Little extra armour is a joke. Gsor med tier 10 needs buff too as it is the worst
It bothers me that the best was red and the worst green.
Exactly. Should be the other way around.
play kunze more like a german light. spotting setup, use camo and its small size, but always think of aggression
I wanna thank you alot for making this video, I won't explain everything but thankssss
I probably won't get enough points for the Cobra. Already have the Char, can't really decide which one to take.
What is talking about. The t30 is a bloodt heavy tank. It was once and if you still play it as one, ypu will do great
Man you did AE Phase dirty. That tank is a slightly better version of the Conqueror, which is an insane tank for tier 9. AE Phase is at least an A tier in terms of power
Edit: Lorraine is insanely good wtf. You just need to know how to play it and stay sneaky. You don't have to sit in one place and shoot. You have to poke all the time and then you will have insane rewards
Lol no, it's not better than Conqueror. Conq has MUCH better gun handling and accuracy wich means therr is no need to use vert stabs or improved aiming unlike on Phase I, Conq has HESH rounds, premium rounds are better beacuse APCR has 2° of normalization, so 326 APCR is just as good as 340 HEAT but they can go through spaced armour and they have better velocity, Conq also has 150 HP more, 10m better view range and turret armour is only bit better on Phase I
@@adioperta1451 now that you put it out like this, I think I was wrong with this comparison. I forgot how good the Conq actually is. Still, AE Phase is an insane tank
I'll go for kunze panzer cuz i already have 8 tokens from last season
I would like to find this great armor in the TS-60. Got it and is the most frustrating battle pass tank that I've got.
Even sidescraping perfectly, EVERY T10 pens your turret with heat. Even a lot of T9s. Very, VERY dissapointing tank.
Even t8s will pen the turret with gold its a horrible tank
Personally, the Char Fut and Kunze P are the ONLY "Good" tanks. I can't speak on the heavy's because I can't play them anymore, save maybe one or two in the game.
People think the Cobra, but it's FAR too "situational".... It's not good because it can't be "consistent".
It's so BAD in fact that I sold it.
Why would anyone get kpz3 when you can have strv 103 that is a far superior tank. I would argue that s1 is a better tank.
he really haes the lorraine more than the kunze panzer xD
Char futur is not op, just because you think char is good doesn't mean it's op
Next time, also take into account what the rating is for facing them.
Also, "novelty" None of these tanks have anything 'novel' going on. Arguably the only exception might be the non-swedish-german STRV because it could theoretically work outside siege mode as a casemate tank. But all the other are just the same old thing with just some numbers tweaked.
The char is just an autoloader with a long(er) intraclip, nothing special there.
Imagine if they put bz176 for 100 tokens
Tanks for the video i have ALL of the tier 9 premium tanks ^^
hey QB! Question. Wouldn't you recommend spending all of your tokens for bounty equipment?
I have them all. I guess I get bonds and equipment for the next BP?
I can’t spend tokens, it's always locked
I have all of these tanks I care to own. What are the chances a new tank will be offered this year or should I just go ahead and get some bonds?
I would like to be able to get ranking tanks playing something other than tier 10. Tier 10 is just boring beyond belief. I'd enjoy trying to do tier 6-9 as well for ranking.
I am an American tank lover so I'll just get the T-60 even if it looks like it kinda sucks.
If you get them and sell for credits, what do you get for each tank?