TY! though to be honest I would still buy the whole pay per view now if I could. Please leave sales open at least 2 weeks after the event. We livin' paycheck to paycheck out here and sometimes even important shit like BO8 gotta take a back seat for a couple weeks.
Rum was my fav battle rapper during lockdowns, such an animal. His wordplay is phenomenal. However, Illmac broke his whole style down masterfully, this one of my fav illmac showings. Epic ass battle, I really hope they do a rematch in the future
What I find gets missed in all Illmac’s rounds? Is two things 1. He makes the claim Rum took Twork’s PERFORMANCE style. People go on and on how Illmac is wrong for that, but he never said Rum took Twork’s pen game. And to be fair? MANY took Twork’s performance style 2. The message throughout, to me? Never was saying Rum was whack or trash. It came off more to me like Illmac was saying, ‘you do good, but I know you are capable of being FAR BETTER than just this’.
Amazing battle, 2 great pens, I can't believe Illmac is still this good after 2 decades. His imagery, wordplay and lyricism is insane. One of the goats for sure.
Holy shit on second watch I caught Illmac's "they said I'm finished without punching, well that's one take". When you record a track and don't have to punch in that's one take. That's crazy and no one in the building caught it
“Before Surf was yelling Jersey and Twork was strapped / i been a legend ever since Cortez was skinny and Verb was fat” 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 he delivered that so crazy
@@Poppa_Silky_Paper Mac went sober after Pat died, drinks for the first time at blackout against rum after facing Jin.....Gin, Rum, perfect time to blackout...with the way it was delivered? Are you dumb or something? 😂😂
Both these guys are battle rap geniuses. The high level battles just keep getting higher and higher and the crossover between all the leagues has stepped everyone’s game up.
That “free health care/no charges bar” is a top 10-15 bar all time when you talk about setup/punch, performance, everything 2gether That’s battle rap 🫡 nitty Illmac was crazy fire as well
The rounds were so different, time and style wise. Nitty was landing haymakers and Mac was really breaking down rum. I personally liked Mac's approach to the battle , would have really liked to see a time limit enforced. Rum was knocking Mac's head off and Mac was landing body blows. Great battle
glad this is finally out, I'm still catching shit in Illmac's material. The pocket he hit in the end was incredible. "We ain't acknowledging losses enough, padding stats and losses/Echo chamber, popularity contest/The rappers got this/average monotonous/Floor-model factory-bot fresh-out-the-box trash shit popping" and carrying that into "brushing off your little 'room-shakers' like aftershocks, in Cali that shit's common" is such a dense scheme. It's dope that he's getting active again, only a few people come close to his level of writing
Well worded. He has graduated in to a much higher level of writing that it’s kinda spooky. Imagine if every single round he did exactly what he did for the build up on the end of round 2 as well as the end of round 3. Just 3 full rounds full of it. Now, I know that it might be hard for the crowd to catch it completely because of reactions and your standard bigger stage battles but Mac was built for a smaller room less reaction straight through type of material. It’s just hard to match with that. All in all this was a classic and no matter who nitty battles you can not get caught slippin because he will with out a doubt shut shit down.
again, he’s not saying shit but “you battle bad i battle good” in rhyme form. it’s the same nothing writing that takes 10 minutes to come up with. say something concrete.
@@Nihaas for the most part yes, which is why there hasn’t really been a boom since the early 2010’s. battle rap hasn’t exactly fallen off but it hasn’t grown either. that said, at least that isn’t a redundant “we are battling and i’m going to win and you’re going to lose” sentiment repeated 100 different ways
@@lilsleepy3332reducing things to the most basic is kinda disingenuous to be fair That would be like reducing all your comments on the matter to ‘if I complain enough maybe shit will change’ Rum gun lined and punched all surface shit on Illmac Illmac talked on basically Rum’s potential. And how him using what others do, is actually limiting his own talent It’s like you being an actual smart nice guy but playing the dumb cool guy just to be accepted The funny thing about it is, Rum USED to do way more than gun lines and surface punchlines But due to him taking battles back to back, he has lost focus on those things Like go to his battle vs T Top, where the personals mixed with the punchlines. It was like seeing Rum finally tap into his true potential. Like every round he was KILLING T Top I think it’s a bit more nuanced than you’d like to believe Illmac said I rap better, but I’m also giving you game on how YOU can be so much better than you are now So, beating his opponent while giving them advice
Nitty takes so many battles he doesn’t need to come with more than 2mins it still seems debatable, but Illmac breaks him down and rebuttals seamlessly into his material…illmac 2-1 debatable 30
2-1 macc, rum did exactly what I thought he would which was leave earth 🚀 but Mac showed there’s levels and your still at tier one that you’ll go down as one of the best punchers and I’ll go down as one of the best to ever do it was insane and factual rum I hope you truly listened to his macs third, it feels good to watch KOTD again it’s been a while I miss the vibes
@@meldonsleep5298I don’t think Rum appreciated the point of Illmac’s round I mean shit, even Daylyt told him, you gotta make it so they don’t know what you bout to give them Where it’s NOT predictable what you’ll do. And Nitty still hard headed about it He even said it after the battle, ‘how can another man tell me what I gotta do’ and IN the battle He THINKS punches are the top level Which is REALLY sad. Cuz when Nitty actually uses an angle, it makes his punches god tier His round vs T Top, showing how he not even a real gangster like that. Then flipping Top’s bars on him? That shit slaps so hard😂😂😂 Which makes me confused. As to how Nitty doesn’t get it, that THAT shit? Is top tier, not just punching to punch
@@kionwilson3714I’m gonna be honest. I love watching battles, and I typically have no idea who “won” unless it’s a complete wash. There’s no universal scoring criteria and every comment section is full of people going 2-1 in either direction. Whoever the “winner” is is damn near inconsequential.
@@kionwilson3714unless there’s actual judges, wins and losses are DEBATABLE at best Most of it since judging was taken out for the most part, is all OPINIONATED
Similar to how I think Loaded Lux versus Dizaster would pull something completely new out of Dizaster? I feel batting Daylyt we would see a completely different Illmac than we’ve ever seen
he was saying he just punch BUT dont use personals thats the main part Imo he uses punches he can use on anyone not substances enough to be to a certain person generic out the box type punches
@@tomford2893 Thanks for the breakdown, we get it. Turn your opponents greatest strength to a weakness. It’ll be effective if Rum wasn’t punching Illmac’s head off.
It's true, and I think his last line is the real point. People always say Rum is the "best puncher", but do people say he's the best PERIOD? Do you want to be known as Steph, the best shooter of all time? Or Bron? Arguably the best of all time period? Some people are good with one, some want the other. Why do we qualify Rum as the best PUNCHER and not just the best WRITER? Just things for us fans to debate about.
You're supposed to diss your opponent in a rap battle. Even Kool Moe Dee was dissing Busy Bee Starksi in 1981 on stage in the first ever battle - saying he used ghostwriters, bit Lovebug Starski's name, and had a corny flow. I go to your channel and see Drake in your playlists. Just say you like watered-down McDonald's hip hop.
@@default3252 Bruh! Are you following along? Who’s debating dissing your opponent? What does it matter what rap songs you listen to when debating Rum’s punching ability? What kind of weirdo checks the music playlist of commenters before replying? This sad and pathetic.
This was CRAZY! But Man I Gotta be real. Nitty Out PUNCHED Illmac something Serious! 🔥🔥🔥 But Illmac Out WROTE And Out CLASSED Nitty. And After watching this I gotta say Illmac might be one of the most Lethal Writers EVER. 🔥🔥🔥 GREAT Battle and a Great showing from BOTH! 🔥🏆🔥🏆🔥
The comments are crazy with picking one side and saying the other side is trash or overrated lol. Both these guys are the best at what they do, and this is a fire battle on both ends. You don't have to hate on the other guy to say your favorite won the battle
This was one of those iconic battles, that has brewing for years, this should have way more views, fire battle. Salute to KOTD, came back just in time, this entire card was fire.
"that ain't punching, that's shadow-boxing." is a statement against a whole era of battle rappers. It reminds me of mook vs tay roc. It's a sober talk about terrible state of battle rap. It takes solid leaders to keep the community healthy. Thank goodness for Illmac.
@@madhands9887 I'm sorry to hear that. Punchlines are a rib of rap, a bigger rib of battle rap. Soul is the backbone. You gotta have soul. And in battle rap, you gotta talk to their soul. But Im old, so I also feel the same way about mumble rap, lol.
That Einstein scheme at the end of the 2nd is so GODLY b. from the originality, to structure, to the delivery and the performance. Illmac won that round too and I think that was Nitty's best. Classic
It don't matter who you thought won both did their thing. This battle a classic. I love both these guys. Great bars and performance. The crowds energy was perfect. Overall great battle.
Fire battle, shoutout to Organik, he really love bars & shows no bias, always shows appreciation to everybody & even telling everybody to get back safe.
"I pack barrels just for Rum" bar and the crop circle corny rebuttal was INSANE edit: oh my god... the space bars. Quantum mechanics, gravity bending time, wormholes, light speed/distance??? Illmac is insane.
Macs 3rd is beyond legendary. That's 20 years of technique and direct fire he has had bottled for years. Top 10 battles all time imo. Salute to both of them. Replay value is unlimited. I show new people to battle rap this now.
Rum Nitty is great, but Illmac is a savant that cuts deep into an opponent’s soul. Mac won this battle 3-0, but Round 2 is the only one slightly debatable. He left Earth in both Round 1 & 2. Rum touched the exosphere, but didn’t quite break through…
Yup I'd say Illmac 3-0. If Rum could've come in with a rebuttal then I might feel slightly different. But I don't see how this is close. Nothing Rum said was unique, inspiring, innovative on any level outside of his creative ability to form a punch, but the content behind what he's talking about is currently the most overplayed and outdone/overused style in the game right now. Illmacs approach was entirely original and for that alone I give a 3-0, however he dissected Rum. Picked him apart around every corner, this wasn't even close. If the point of battle rap is to break down and humiliate your opponent this was a clear 3-0 for Mac. If you're judging based off who entertains you more...then you just shouldn't be judging at all. It's like people forget what the meaning of battle rap even is anymore. Damn I miss Pat Stay.
You’re talking that real shit. Too much infatuation with Entertainment & being Flashy in Hip-Hop Culture these days. The perfect macrocosm of this is the Eminem vs. MGK beef. Some people said MGK won because he made a “better song,” yet Eminem bar’d him to death and actually dissed him. Anyone who bases a battle off of who had more theatrics or “sounded cool” really isn’t in tune with this field & what it’s built upon. I’m rolling with you 100%.
Am I tripping or is nittys rounds shorter then mac? Like a lot shorter . It’s hard to judge these rounds when I feel like they not rapping the same time.
📠 Couldn’t agree more.. Sec it ended, I kinda was thinking to myself : “Damn this was a well rounded, damn near perfect battle”. Gotta 10/10 from me. Salute KOTD for sure, keep em coming. 🫡 💯
Great battle. I appreciate how Rum Nitty will take a scope of different types of opponents in different environments and still thrive. It’s good for the culture in general. Illmac still has arguably the best pen in battle rap…hoping he gets a run like Iron a few years ago where he got his flowers battling a string of top tiers in multiple leagues.
I knew the outcome of this battle before it happened. Nitty's biggest issue will always be his lack of potent angles and breaking down his opponent. Does that make him bad? No. He's still the greatest at what he does. But when he battles high tier battlers who can rap with him and break him down, it's not gonna go in his favor. If you say nitty had the bigger haymakers in this battle, it's true. Illmac just had everything and broke him down line by line. Reminds me of iron vs nitty. Nitty had crazy bars, but iron had that and full character break down.
Nitty's biggest issue is he only does one thing well. Solomon exposed him as a one-trick punchline pony in their battle. Nitty does surface-level multi-syllable/double-entendre gun/weapon punchlines with an occasional word-association scheme shoehorned in randomly. That's all he can do. Just individual 2-4 bar chunks with nothing connecting them into anything bigger or deeper.
@@JamaalMills ok. If Nitty beat Solomon he should've destroyed Illmac right? Because those were Nitty's words. "I actually prepared better for Illmac, I lowkey slept on Iron" then proceeded to show up with 3 rounds, 2 of which barely even hit 3 minutes with crowd reaction.
ill mac 2-1 personally that break down was to crazy. Definition of "let me talk to you rap" i understand if people got nitty he really just has haymaker after haymaker and the creativity of the punch plus the set up with the delivery and performance 15/10 boy really a alien.
Big Rum Nitty fan ever but this was a clear 2-1 maybe 3-0 for Illmac. Illmac is more Hollow Da Don in that he's really hard to beat since he's able to provide an autopsy of your style and therefore weaking the impact of the punches.
Yeah. I got it 2-1 Illmac too. He's extremely well rounded as a battler like Hollow too. They both can do it all. Angles, multis, schemes, punching, name flips, an all that. He's been consistently working on his craft forever.
The contract was 330 ... Nitty just didn't care. Nitty knew illmac was coming with long rounds. He also agreed to it twice. He also said he prepared for Illmac a lot more than Iron because he lowkey slept on Iron and that this Illmac material would surpass his Iron performance. So Nitty knew Illmac would have longer rounds, he acknowledged and agreed time wouldn't be an issue for him either, promised better material than the Iron battle, and then shows up with 3 rounds 2 of which don't even hit 3 minutes with crowd reaction. Nitty battled like 5 times before Illmac in a span of a few months and already had another battle a week and a half after Illmac . Nitty just came for a bag. Illmac came for the dub.
Mac definitely one first and third round. Rum got it in the second round but I personally think Mac’s alien scheme was phenomenal but it went over heads
so glad illmac is about to go on another run, every time he comes back somehow even better than before. rum is so much fun to watch too. this a future classic debatable imo, i'd probably edge it 2-1 illmac but ain't mad at anyone who says otherwise
I feel like illmac took the wrong approach in this battle. His rounds were too long, which made them seem less impactful than Rums. The alien angle in the second dragged and the round only picked up steam at the end with the physics angle (should have halved the round length and got to that sooner) He obviously wanted to display his flow and versatility to counter Rum's punches, but it would have been better to have 1 really punch heavy round to show that he can do what Rum does as well as being more adept at everything else. That would have made it a lot clearer. Rum's 2nd is so fire it makes this seem closer than it would do otherwise. All that being said, I could still edge this to illmac. Amazing battle
Just caught “nothing special about Mac, it’s just a Thousand Islands” 🔥 🔥 🔥 His creativity is unparalleled. I can’t pick it over the angles and writing Illmac was showing tho. 2-1
Illmac battling has been sorely missed. No ring rust detected. This was a classic debatable. Personally i had ill 2-1, could go either way Salute to both mc's
" Free healthcare it's awesome, cause you can get dropped off at the doc(k), whenever you feel ill (eel) and get no charges". This was one of the best lines I've ever heard
@@rpgtimefireRight? It simply only makes some sense in one way. Not a true double entendre. Lots of stretching that didn’t make any sense. This is where illmac’s point at least partly stands of “just for the punch”, not if it makes sense. Close battle.
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Rum was my fav battle rapper during lockdowns, such an animal. His wordplay is phenomenal.
However, Illmac broke his whole style down masterfully, this one of my fav illmac showings. Epic ass battle, I really hope they do a rematch in the future
What I find gets missed in all Illmac’s rounds? Is two things
1. He makes the claim Rum took Twork’s PERFORMANCE style. People go on and on how Illmac is wrong for that, but he never said Rum took Twork’s pen game. And to be fair? MANY took Twork’s performance style
2. The message throughout, to me? Never was saying Rum was whack or trash. It came off more to me like Illmac was saying, ‘you do good, but I know you are capable of being FAR BETTER than just this’.
Amazing battle, 2 great pens, I can't believe Illmac is still this good after 2 decades. His imagery, wordplay and lyricism is insane. One of the goats for sure.
Damn bro didn’t know you watch battle rap
One of the best battles I've seen in awhile. Illmac is so necessary in battle rap.
What did rum say after nun special bout mac? Idky I can't hear it 21:20
@KingJohn301 Who cares, he got stomped
@@FredBowser-u5wur insane 😂
“Super necessary.”
- Jorge Masvidal
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Holy shit on second watch I caught Illmac's "they said I'm finished without punching, well that's one take". When you record a track and don't have to punch in that's one take. That's crazy and no one in the building caught it
@@rhysomac5352 damn I never caught that til right now
Illmac showed so much versatility and every aspect he incorporated was high level.
“Before Surf was yelling Jersey and Twork was strapped / i been a legend ever since Cortez was skinny and Verb was fat” 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 he delivered that so crazy
Bro can we just give a moment of respect to ganik. Man loves bars and never shows bias
That's how you know the bar is fire lol
Well he def didn't show any bias in Illmac but when nitty rapped well u can see for yourself 😂😂😂😂
Wwaaauut?!
@@timrob1448 huh? Nitty been KOTD
Ganik is the man. The west loves you Ganik.
“ I can’t put you on my Mount Rushmore, but I can give you a headstone “ 🔥
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@@derrickscott9668 🔥 🔥 🔥
“Distance!… I mean, Time!” That was one of the dopest round closers!!
"They gave me Jin and rum back to back perfect time to blackout" bruh this bar only works for a moment like this. This is so fire. 🔥🔥🔥
....yeah the card is called blackout... Y'all be impressed with the simplest shyt smh
wasn't his last battle w/ Jin? so its pretty good line still as a hype bar@@Poppa_Silky_Paper
@@Poppa_Silky_Paper Mac went sober after Pat died, drinks for the first time at blackout against rum after facing Jin.....Gin, Rum, perfect time to blackout...with the way it was delivered? Are you dumb or something? 😂😂
@@Poppa_Silky_Paperand yet it wouldn't even have been mentioned if it had no sequence which made it perfect
@@Poppa_Silky_Paperbut I bet the Canadian city scheme got you hyped?
Just say you biased one way and leave it at that instead of trash lies
Both these guys are battle rap geniuses.
The high level battles just keep getting higher and higher and the crossover between all the leagues has stepped everyone’s game up.
Illmac’s 3rd was a perfect breakdown of Rum’s disconnected punch-punch style.
"That's not battlin', you're an analyst" pre rebuttaled.. nitty 2-1
KOTD is amazing thank you Organik for this battle
The skill of these 2 battlers... This is going to be a classic 💯 👏👏
Who's rewatching this classic?
That “free health care/no charges bar” is a top 10-15 bar all time when you talk about setup/punch, performance, everything 2gether
That’s battle rap
🫡 nitty
Illmac was crazy fire as well
Can we just appreciate the classic these 2 put on?
The rounds were so different, time and style wise. Nitty was landing haymakers and Mac was really breaking down rum.
I personally liked Mac's approach to the battle , would have really liked to see a time limit enforced.
Rum was knocking Mac's head off and Mac was landing body blows.
Great battle
Best battle I've seen in awhile refreshing. I LOVE THIS BATTLE. I had rewind multiple times each round 🔥🔥🔥🔥
glad this is finally out, I'm still catching shit in Illmac's material. The pocket he hit in the end was incredible. "We ain't acknowledging losses enough, padding stats and losses/Echo chamber, popularity contest/The rappers got this/average monotonous/Floor-model factory-bot fresh-out-the-box trash shit popping" and carrying that into "brushing off your little 'room-shakers' like aftershocks, in Cali that shit's common" is such a dense scheme. It's dope that he's getting active again, only a few people come close to his level of writing
Well worded. He has graduated in to a much higher level of writing that it’s kinda spooky. Imagine if every single round he did exactly what he did for the build up on the end of round 2 as well as the end of round 3. Just 3 full rounds full of it. Now, I know that it might be hard for the crowd to catch it completely because of reactions and your standard bigger stage battles but Mac was built for a smaller room less reaction straight through type of material. It’s just hard to match with that. All in all this was a classic and no matter who nitty battles you can not get caught slippin because he will with out a doubt shut shit down.
again, he’s not saying shit but “you battle bad i battle good” in rhyme form. it’s the same nothing writing that takes 10 minutes to come up with. say something concrete.
@@lilsleepy3332 lmao if you wanna be that uncharitable, the majority of battle rap is "I'll shoot you till I kill you," calm down
@@Nihaas for the most part yes, which is why there hasn’t really been a boom since the early 2010’s. battle rap hasn’t exactly fallen off but it hasn’t grown either. that said, at least that isn’t a redundant “we are battling and i’m going to win and you’re going to lose” sentiment repeated 100 different ways
@@lilsleepy3332reducing things to the most basic is kinda disingenuous to be fair
That would be like reducing all your comments on the matter to ‘if I complain enough maybe shit will change’
Rum gun lined and punched all surface shit on Illmac
Illmac talked on basically Rum’s potential. And how him using what others do, is actually limiting his own talent
It’s like you being an actual smart nice guy but playing the dumb cool guy just to be accepted
The funny thing about it is, Rum USED to do way more than gun lines and surface punchlines
But due to him taking battles back to back, he has lost focus on those things
Like go to his battle vs T Top, where the personals mixed with the punchlines. It was like seeing Rum finally tap into his true potential. Like every round he was KILLING T Top
I think it’s a bit more nuanced than you’d like to believe
Illmac said I rap better, but I’m also giving you game on how YOU can be so much better than you are now
So, beating his opponent while giving them advice
Nitty takes so many battles he doesn’t need to come with more than 2mins it still seems debatable, but Illmac breaks him down and rebuttals seamlessly into his material…illmac 2-1 debatable 30
Well put, facts
come on man nitty edged the second nd cooked the 3rd one
@@jmoefrmda6 I heard what you heard and still slightly disagree…but if you’re saying Nitty 2-1 I’m not mad
Illmac went nuts. His writing is wild.. Impressive.
Illmac x QP x Daylyt x Nitty (Battle Rap's Slaughterhouse) lol
2-1 macc, rum did exactly what I thought he would which was leave earth 🚀 but Mac showed there’s levels and your still at tier one that you’ll go down as one of the best punchers and I’ll go down as one of the best to ever do it was insane and factual rum I hope you truly listened to his macs third, it feels good to watch KOTD again it’s been a while I miss the vibes
I agree...Mac disassembled Nitty entirely in the 3rd round. Phenomenal work from both though
@@meldonsleep5298I don’t think Rum appreciated the point of Illmac’s round
I mean shit, even Daylyt told him, you gotta make it so they don’t know what you bout to give them
Where it’s NOT predictable what you’ll do. And Nitty still hard headed about it
He even said it after the battle, ‘how can another man tell me what I gotta do’ and IN the battle
He THINKS punches are the top level
Which is REALLY sad. Cuz when Nitty actually uses an angle, it makes his punches god tier
His round vs T Top, showing how he not even a real gangster like that. Then flipping Top’s bars on him? That shit slaps so hard😂😂😂
Which makes me confused. As to how Nitty doesn’t get it, that THAT shit? Is top tier, not just punching to punch
People are too worried about who won and didn’t even realise how fire the battle was. The culture won
Facts
It’s called “BATTLE RAP”!! It’s a battle & someone has to win 🥇 🤷🏽♂️🤷🏽♂️🤷🏽♂️
I don't like your sugar coating.
@@kionwilson3714I’m gonna be honest. I love watching battles, and I typically have no idea who “won” unless it’s a complete wash. There’s no universal scoring criteria and every comment section is full of people going 2-1 in either direction. Whoever the “winner” is is damn near inconsequential.
@@kionwilson3714unless there’s actual judges, wins and losses are DEBATABLE at best
Most of it since judging was taken out for the most part, is all OPINIONATED
That headstone bar was so perfect. Simple but perfect
Illmac's material is just outta this world... There aren't many people who can stand in front of these bars.. Illmac vs Daylyt next up?
Similar to how I think Loaded Lux versus Dizaster would pull something completely new out of Dizaster? I feel batting Daylyt we would see a completely different Illmac than we’ve ever seen
Illmac is somehow still improving.
My lord when he ran that 'shadowbox'- gauntlet of a scheme in the third i was just gasping at the screen.
I have Illmac 2-1, absolute preference battle though. Rum was great - quality over quantity for him which I rate.
Absolutely agree
Saying all Rum do is punch is like saying all Steph do is shoot 3s.
he was saying he just punch BUT dont use personals thats the main part Imo he uses punches he can use on anyone not substances enough to be to a certain person generic out the box type punches
@@tomford2893 Thanks for the breakdown, we get it. Turn your opponents greatest strength to a weakness. It’ll be effective if Rum wasn’t punching Illmac’s head off.
It's true, and I think his last line is the real point. People always say Rum is the "best puncher", but do people say he's the best PERIOD?
Do you want to be known as Steph, the best shooter of all time? Or Bron? Arguably the best of all time period?
Some people are good with one, some want the other. Why do we qualify Rum as the best PUNCHER and not just the best WRITER?
Just things for us fans to debate about.
You're supposed to diss your opponent in a rap battle. Even Kool Moe Dee was dissing Busy Bee Starksi in 1981 on stage in the first ever battle - saying he used ghostwriters, bit Lovebug Starski's name, and had a corny flow. I go to your channel and see Drake in your playlists. Just say you like watered-down McDonald's hip hop.
@@default3252 Bruh! Are you following along? Who’s debating dissing your opponent? What does it matter what rap songs you listen to when debating Rum’s punching ability? What kind of weirdo checks the music playlist of commenters before replying? This sad and pathetic.
ILLMac’s rounds sound better and better after every rewatch …🔥
Classic!!! Needed dis one felt like back in da day battlerap
This was CRAZY! But Man I Gotta be real. Nitty Out PUNCHED Illmac something Serious! 🔥🔥🔥 But Illmac Out WROTE And Out CLASSED Nitty. And After watching this I gotta say Illmac might be one of the most Lethal Writers EVER. 🔥🔥🔥 GREAT Battle and a Great showing from BOTH! 🔥🏆🔥🏆🔥
Illmac’s pen game is different, man.
Just paused in his first round, its insane and its only his first round geezus.
The comments are crazy with picking one side and saying the other side is trash or overrated lol. Both these guys are the best at what they do, and this is a fire battle on both ends. You don't have to hate on the other guy to say your favorite won the battle
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This was one of those iconic battles, that has brewing for years, this should have way more views, fire battle. Salute to KOTD, came back just in time, this entire card was fire.
"that ain't punching, that's shadow-boxing." is a statement against a whole era of battle rappers. It reminds me of mook vs tay roc. It's a sober talk about terrible state of battle rap. It takes solid leaders to keep the community healthy. Thank goodness for Illmac.
Agreed
Its stupid punchline is the back bone of hip hop.
@@madhands9887definitely not
@@madhands9887 I'm sorry to hear that. Punchlines are a rib of rap, a bigger rib of battle rap. Soul is the backbone. You gotta have soul. And in battle rap, you gotta talk to their soul.
But Im old, so I also feel the same way about mumble rap, lol.
@@madhands9887if that was your takeaway youve completely missed the point.
Illmac is easily one of top 3 greatest anglers in battle rap history. Him vs Frak would be crazy if it ever happens
Hold on, i just came back to watch this for the 4th time since it came out. Its crazy that this not at a million views. This battle 🔥 AF
That Einstein scheme at the end of the 2nd is so GODLY b. from the originality, to structure, to the delivery and the performance. Illmac won that round too and I think that was Nitty's best.
Classic
Nitty’s best was his 3rd
The light years between us bar was something truly out of this world. Pun intended. One of the hardest punchlines out recently!
Facts
He’s biting Soul let’s be honest
@@ayyguevara8448 he battled Soul check it out if you haven’t. They are similar
Nitty nice as always & looking great at KoTD, thanks Rum. Great battle, Illmac 2-1.
RIP Pat Stay
The fact Nitty had a rebuttal round for Illmac’s 1st was nasty pen work. To anticipate that with impeccable writing is next level
And Illmac freestyled two rebuttals that were classic, nitty got bodied 3-0
Awesome first round choke for Nitty too.
That “rebuttal round” was better served if he spit it first then didn’t spit gun limes
@@jamelwright3234 opinion
@@pngates crazy!
A classic style clash where you're gonna go with your favorite, so i got illmac taking it. "That ain't punching, it's shadow boxing"
It don't matter who you thought won both did their thing. This battle a classic. I love both these guys. Great bars and performance. The crowds energy was perfect. Overall great battle.
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Facts
Your not the WORST. Your the BEST example! Illmac CLEAR
Fire battle, shoutout to Organik, he really love bars & shows no bias, always shows appreciation to everybody & even telling everybody to get back safe.
Battle rap is in its PLATINUM ERA right now. Every league dropping heat and consistently
The culture has won again 💯
Use this as the “best battle in a long time button”
This a win for the fans. Legendary level battle!
"I pack barrels just for Rum" bar and the crop circle corny rebuttal was INSANE
edit: oh my god... the space bars. Quantum mechanics, gravity bending time, wormholes, light speed/distance??? Illmac is insane.
Macs 3rd is beyond legendary. That's 20 years of technique and direct fire he has had bottled for years. Top 10 battles all time imo. Salute to both of them. Replay value is unlimited. I show new people to battle rap this now.
Best replay value Battle
2 - 1 Illmac... He really dug into Rums style and character.
My favorite battle on the internet right now! Watched at least 10 times lol
Rum Nitty is great, but Illmac is a savant that cuts deep into an opponent’s soul. Mac won this battle 3-0, but Round 2 is the only one slightly debatable. He left Earth in both Round 1 & 2. Rum touched the exosphere, but didn’t quite break through…
Ill Mac is a beast but I had Nitty 2-1
Yup I'd say Illmac 3-0. If Rum could've come in with a rebuttal then I might feel slightly different. But I don't see how this is close. Nothing Rum said was unique, inspiring, innovative on any level outside of his creative ability to form a punch, but the content behind what he's talking about is currently the most overplayed and outdone/overused style in the game right now. Illmacs approach was entirely original and for that alone I give a 3-0, however he dissected Rum. Picked him apart around every corner, this wasn't even close. If the point of battle rap is to break down and humiliate your opponent this was a clear 3-0 for Mac. If you're judging based off who entertains you more...then you just shouldn't be judging at all. It's like people forget what the meaning of battle rap even is anymore. Damn I miss Pat Stay.
You’re talking that real shit. Too much infatuation with Entertainment & being Flashy in Hip-Hop Culture these days. The perfect macrocosm of this is the Eminem vs. MGK beef. Some people said MGK won because he made a “better song,” yet Eminem bar’d him to death and actually dissed him. Anyone who bases a battle off of who had more theatrics or “sounded cool” really isn’t in tune with this field & what it’s built upon. I’m rolling with you 100%.
My man said "distance" to finish an Einstein scheme, that's WILD WILD ish
Am I tripping or is nittys rounds shorter then mac? Like a lot shorter . It’s hard to judge these rounds when I feel like they not rapping the same time.
Yeah you're not tripping it's like twice as long in every round lol
Rappers always overwrite for Nitty out of fear.
Year later & this is still a great battle
We need more Illmac. I hope to see KOTD make a resurgence with him as one of their elites 🔥
This is that energy that we all need.
📠 Couldn’t agree more.. Sec it ended, I kinda was thinking to myself : “Damn this was a well rounded, damn near perfect battle”. Gotta 10/10 from me. Salute KOTD for sure, keep em coming. 🫡 💯
Great battle. I appreciate how Rum Nitty will take a scope of different types of opponents in different environments and still thrive. It’s good for the culture in general. Illmac still has arguably the best pen in battle rap…hoping he gets a run like Iron a few years ago where he got his flowers battling a string of top tiers in multiple leagues.
This battle is a classic. I've watched it so many times already. Favorite battle so far this year. They both went in. 💯
"It might get a reaction from them. From me, it only gets a response in the form of a question is that the best that you got?"
I knew the outcome of this battle before it happened. Nitty's biggest issue will always be his lack of potent angles and breaking down his opponent. Does that make him bad? No. He's still the greatest at what he does. But when he battles high tier battlers who can rap with him and break him down, it's not gonna go in his favor. If you say nitty had the bigger haymakers in this battle, it's true. Illmac just had everything and broke him down line by line. Reminds me of iron vs nitty. Nitty had crazy bars, but iron had that and full character break down.
Good point 💯
😂😂😂 illmac used the same exact angles for 3 rounds that every other battler used before against nitty, it was nothing special
Nitty's biggest issue is he only does one thing well. Solomon exposed him as a one-trick punchline pony in their battle. Nitty does surface-level multi-syllable/double-entendre gun/weapon punchlines with an occasional word-association scheme shoehorned in randomly. That's all he can do. Just individual 2-4 bar chunks with nothing connecting them into anything bigger or deeper.
😂😂😂😂nitty beat Solomon tho and there’s tons of substance in nitty material you have to listen for it
@@JamaalMills ok. If Nitty beat Solomon he should've destroyed Illmac right? Because those were Nitty's words. "I actually prepared better for Illmac, I lowkey slept on Iron" then proceeded to show up with 3 rounds, 2 of which barely even hit 3 minutes with crowd reaction.
ill mac 2-1 personally that break down was to crazy. Definition of "let me talk to you rap" i understand if people got nitty he really just has haymaker after haymaker and the creativity of the punch plus the set up with the delivery and performance 15/10 boy really a alien.
Yo that 3rd round Mac spit is underrated. That angle about Mac’s losses are public record and Nitty’s vaulted performance gave him impunity is crazy.
This was a preference battle, two different styles, both did they job well.. classic....
"They ask me how i get some graphic wit the words ..i tell em issa gift/gif" 🥶🥶
Wow. So glad I rediscovered ill tonight 🔥 catching up on all battles tonight
Big Rum Nitty fan ever but this was a clear 2-1 maybe 3-0 for Illmac. Illmac is more Hollow Da Don in that he's really hard to beat since he's able to provide an autopsy of your style and therefore weaking the impact of the punches.
He said an autopsy of your style! Props
Yeah. I got it 2-1 Illmac too. He's extremely well rounded as a battler like Hollow too. They both can do it all. Angles, multis, schemes, punching, name flips, an all that. He's been consistently working on his craft forever.
Sorry bro you're wrong. Super close battle. 2-1 EITHER way. No 3-0 tho. CAP CAP CAP.
Lmao. Dont really think an opinion can be "wrong"
Rum 30
Did Macs rounds seem longer than Rums to y’all?
That’s my thing about Nitty he needs to just go 31/2 to 4 minutes just in case you get somebody that rap forever
The contract was 330 ... Nitty just didn't care. Nitty knew illmac was coming with long rounds. He also agreed to it twice. He also said he prepared for Illmac a lot more than Iron because he lowkey slept on Iron and that this Illmac material would surpass his Iron performance. So Nitty knew Illmac would have longer rounds, he acknowledged and agreed time wouldn't be an issue for him either, promised better material than the Iron battle, and then shows up with 3 rounds 2 of which don't even hit 3 minutes with crowd reaction. Nitty battled like 5 times before Illmac in a span of a few months and already had another battle a week and a half after Illmac . Nitty just came for a bag. Illmac came for the dub.
I got shivers when he dropped the Bender battle lines.
FACTS! 🙏
This battle should have WAY more views. These dudes went absolutely nuts
How you get so graphic with the words ?!?!
It’s a gif. (Gift)
That's crazy
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Nitty: says a bar
Organic: Whaaaaaat!?!?!
Thats how you know that Organik loves them bars❤💯
This the best Illmac I seen in a longgg time lol
Fr bro
“I been nice since Cortez was skinny and Verb was fat” bar of the battle for me 😂🔥🔥
Rum a punch alien but illmac pen is just something else.
Rum Nitty killed this, but I got Illmac 3-0.
Mac definitely one first and third round. Rum got it in the second round but I personally think Mac’s alien scheme was phenomenal but it went over heads
That's what I was thinking, that 2nd round was all Mac
That was crazy. Nice to see two battlers go hard AF
This is didn’t kill Rum, but it’s surely gonna make him stronger.!
Salute to iLLMac for such a Masterclass Performance 🫡
so glad illmac is about to go on another run, every time he comes back somehow even better than before. rum is so much fun to watch too. this a future classic debatable imo, i'd probably edge it 2-1 illmac but ain't mad at anyone who says otherwise
Rum is under appreciated, 🔥 , this man's writing is impeccable.
Coming back to this, Illmac is easily one of the cleanest & best writers in the game.
This gonna age well for Mac
Rum calls himself the alien but Illmac left earth in that 3rd round
If u got rum it would be the 2nd and 3rd
If u got illmac it would be the 1st and 3rd
Replay value forsure💯
Ngl going back to this Rums second nd third were ridiculous
“My fourth coming was foretold”
"This is his corpse cold on the floor blood on the wall swinging a sword slow thru the torso of his torn soul"
@@Jethro_C Illmacs pen is lethal AF.
@@Jethro_Cthat whole shit was god level writing
He's now stuck in a glitch where sound doesn't exist.
Dont let crip mac hear this
The fact that people don’t universally agree Illmac won this makes me sad for this planet. He’s a fucking genius.
2-1 Illmac. Close but clear.
I feel like illmac took the wrong approach in this battle. His rounds were too long, which made them seem less impactful than Rums. The alien angle in the second dragged and the round only picked up steam at the end with the physics angle (should have halved the round length and got to that sooner) He obviously wanted to display his flow and versatility to counter Rum's punches, but it would have been better to have 1 really punch heavy round to show that he can do what Rum does as well as being more adept at everything else. That would have made it a lot clearer. Rum's 2nd is so fire it makes this seem closer than it would do otherwise.
All that being said, I could still edge this to illmac. Amazing battle
@@timcollett99 you’re a clown.
we at opposite ends of a warm hole where time veers to reach us you standing right here but it's light years between us... yea he got that
"I can't put you on my Mt. Rushmore, but I can give you a headstone!" 🪦🪦🪦 🔥🔥🔥
Just caught “nothing special about Mac, it’s just a Thousand Islands” 🔥 🔥 🔥
His creativity is unparalleled. I can’t pick it over the angles and writing Illmac was showing tho. 2-1
Illmac battling has been sorely missed. No ring rust detected. This was a classic debatable. Personally i had ill 2-1, could go either way
Salute to both mc's
Rums 2nd is why he’s the best puncher ever
Damn bro. Rum was fire but Illmac's godtier writing in all 3 rounds was amazing. So 3-0.
" Free healthcare it's awesome, cause you can get dropped off at the doc(k), whenever you feel ill (eel) and get no charges". This was one of the best lines I've ever heard
🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥
Yall hit the docks when you wanna feel an eel?
@@rpgtimefireRight? It simply only makes some sense in one way. Not a true double entendre. Lots of stretching that didn’t make any sense. This is where illmac’s point at least partly stands of “just for the punch”, not if it makes sense. Close battle.
@@rpgtimefire That's not what was said.
This was one of the best battles iv seen in a while
That Greg Oden line was crazy