Grilling JR #58: Steve Austin walks out of the WWE
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- Опубліковано 12 вер 2024
- On this episode of Grilling JR, WWE Hall of Famer Jim Ross and host Conrad Thompson discuss Stone Cold Steve Austin's infamous walk out on the WWE. JR shares never before told stories on the conversations and decisions made leading up to Austin's departure. He also explains the steps taken to convince Austin to return.
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I hope someone finally admits that Austin was completely right to walk out and losing to Lesnar in a King of a Ring qualifier on Raw with no build was total BS.
you’re 100% right, they treated him like he was some scrub who didnt make the wwe billions of dollars and basically pull them out of the shitter and helping them become a public stock smfh
I agree that losing to Lesnar was bullshit but I think Austin should've gone to Raw and said to Vince "ok what can we do that I'll do cause I'm not doing that job to Lesnar"
Hell YEAH he was right! Part of what MADE Stone Cold who and what he WAS, was his finely-tuned instincts for what was and wasn't appropriate for Stone Cold Steve Austin to be doing. It sure as HELL WASN'T 50/50 BOOKING
Arn Anderson said that when your in the business as long as Austin was you should have the right to say "No" once.
@@shavidrobinson1699 exactly. And if you can't figure it out at least you're still not walking out
Austin and Rock leaving in 2002 was HHH’s happiest moment.
Saddest moment for the fans and a big reason for the decline in popularity and quality of the show. Pushing Triple H to the top of the card was a terrible call. So many more over and charismatic performers during that time like Angle, Booker, RVD, Jericho...list goes on. And oddly enough, HHH got wins over all those guys. Shame.
Actually the Kliq (Triple H and HBK) actually flourished the most when Stone Cold left the company
pvanganimare it’s called playing up
Robert Johnson HHH surpasses them years ago he had stood the test of time! Now rock is still healthy he just moved on to movies but HHH has played the game for decades!
Yes once they left HHH all of a sudden flourished, HHH couldn't put a patch on Stone Cold or The Rocks ass!!
I literally go to bed listing to grilling with JR on my headphones every night. Such a relaxing way to call it day. Thanks for everything JR!
The southern accent is very calming lol
dude same! lmao
Please stop overusing the word literally. Completely unnecessary.
Right?? Literally every comment section you get some idiot using that word.@@rowds
Love listening to these during work
Me too
I miss work
Same
Me too my dude
Doing it know
"Vince McMahon listens to his talents" - Jim Ross
God I miss this type of Vince McMahon
Stone cold wouldn't lose and went home. Shawn Michaels wouldn't lose, but told VKM to his face. Not once or twice but 3 times!
I miss the guy who allowed his talent the opportunity to express themselves. Think of Punk's famous promo: Vince put the mic in his hand, but Punk spoke his own words. It was the first time in a long time that a wrestler was able to speak freely. The current trend of over-scripting and micromanagement eliminates the possibility for bad/offensive content and moments of magic alike ... baby and the bathwater ...
Starts at 19:30
But we need to see Conrad
@@mistamaog huh?
Thank you
What's with that Sept 11 style moving background?
@@jadewarrior4458 I think it's to blend with the podcast artwork which is the WWE HQ's and Steve giving it the middle finger.
Austin said he would have gladly lost to Brock but he wanted it to have a build-up so they all could have made money. He didn't walk out because he didn't want to lose he walked out because they wanted him to lose and not make money. Austin was mad because there was no buildup
Hurricane beat Rock with no buildup
Troy Wright rock was already transitioning to a movie star. What’d he care?
@@troywright359 That was part of a storyline and a build up to Wrestlemania
@@troywright359 Actually, there was quite a bit of build up when it came to Rock vs Hurricane. Rock had a few promos with Hurricane during the heel run he had in 2003.
@@ShaunInce123 well.....how about Jeff Hardy beating HHH for the intercontinental championship, when HHH was already a made man?
"My god just look at the match the Rock had at Wrestlemania 18 with....the Rock...."
I remember that classic mirror match.
😂😂😂 just caught that
It’s like on mortal kombat when it was Sub Zero vs. Sub Zero
Tough time to be a wrestling fan and more importantly a fan of Stone Cold. Watching him being pushed to the mid card at Mania 18 and being left out of the title picture
was insulting. Austin rightfully leaving was a big reason for the decline in popularity and quality of the show. Pushing Triple H to the top of the card was a terrible call. So many more over and charismatic performers during that time like Angle, Booker, RVD, Jericho...list goes on. And oddly enough, HHH got wins over all those guys. Shame. Austin carried that company on his back with a bad neck for almost 5 years. He deserved better and so did the fans. Long live the Rattlesnake.
Shane was 10X better in the ring than HHH. Hunter “played the game” and had the advantage after all it’s not like Shane could sleep with his sister😂🤣😂
I don't agree Triple H push was a good idea however the execution wasn't great. You have to grow and push heels so Austin can have a great fued with. After the best of the business left for various reasons Triple H carried the WWE for years love him or love to hate him he was a good heel and rarely won clean. I remember When Triple H returned to raw after a year off from a quad tear it was the biggest pop from a crowd I can remember. To clarify I'm a bigger fan of Austin but Triple H had the best work ethic second only to Undertaker.
@@fecalmatter4195 I think H is trash, average at best. Solid heel though, IF he works with someone who can draw (Austins, Rocks, Hogans of the world). When they pushed Austin out of the main event mix. the shows got worse and the decision making hasn't recovered since.
@@fecalmatter4195 triple h is garbage lol
I like Hunter. But if his push means you got to drag your main draw down it's a shit idea. I don't remember this happening to Hogan or Cena.
Man, what i wouldn't give to have an Austin, and Eddie feud! 😢
Yes it would of been. Unfortunately it never happened 😮💨.
Thank you for making the show more accessible on UA-cam like the others
Even though I heard Pritchard and Conrad talk about this already,I like hearing JR take on it, best commentator of all time
retepoteil and this is worlds better because JR is honest. Bruce is a shill
The Rock can put over The Hurracain, but Stone cold will not lose. Stone cold believed his own gimmick too much! Lose by DQ, interference or whatever. No one cares if lose any way.
Ross and Lawler together were SO FREAKING AWESOME!
@@crashintonickdm I totally agree that Bruce is McMahons YES MAN...
Yep. JR shares his honest thoughts and has a unique perspective as a close friend of Austin.
This man loves an ad more than a quickie with his wife
This shocked me as a kid. I remember watching Confidential and being kind of dumbstruck about how open they were about him walking out and their readiness to bury him.
Hey, there's some video interrupting the ads
I remember being glad Austin walked out because I felt like he was being screwed over and jobbed out.
Austin carried 2001, and that's how he was treated, wwe just don't know how lucky they are to have stars like Austin, once their gone its almost impossible to find anyone like that to take the top spot, only one who's come close is cm punk, who was also treated like crap, wwe just don't want success anymore do they?
I felt the same way when I learned the truth. I would have been PISSED if Austin had jobbed to Brock on Raw. Glad he retired when he did. Nothing good would have come out of staying. Look at how they did Jericho.
@@lindseysullivan826 Why would Austin even be in a KotR qualifying match in the first place? 😂
The biggest mistake wrestling promotions can make is listening to the media to much. The media lies and has agendas. There are alot more people in this country with traditional values than you think across the board. White, black, latino, Asians, and you will see come November. The NBA numbers are down as well as MLB. Personally I don't care what a wrestlers color, gender, or sexual preference is as long as they put on a good performance, have mike skills, athletic, can sell the angle, who cares. At the end of the day it's entertainment and that's all it is. I go to church every week and sports nor wrestlers are my pastors. I don't need them to preach to me. That's my priest's job and he's good at it.
Thanks Conrad, I know casuals prefer short 5 min tidbits, but i love the whole thing
*clicks on video*
Me: “Oh no, not that house insurance shit again”
No one wants your predatory loans Conrad
"look at wrestlemania 18 where the rock wrestled the rock -jim ross...
DID HE WRESTLE HIMSELF?!?🤣
These podcasts got me watching AEW and buying a WWE subscription after 10 years of not watching wrestling
Ditto, as far as WWE Network sub
Same here. I found Jim Cornette and JR's podcasts after nearly 15 years of not watching wrestling and now sub to WWE. Started watching AEW but began with Cody vs Dustin at Double or Nothing 2019 ... everything else has been the shits in comparison.
@@ellemarr7234 I really enjoyed the Cody vs MJF feud but you're right, on the whole AEW has been drizzling.
@tim simpson I respect what youre saying, but I think wrestling has to find some way to keep refreshing if its to compete with all these other forms of entertainment and AEW is definitely going the right direction from what ive been seeing. Not perfect but it seems akin to the first ever Raw episodes which ive been enjoying on the WWE subscription
Same here I've been watching Aew every week and just subscribed to the network about a month ago and I've been catching up where I left off
I love this podcast but can’t listen to it anymore if there’s going to be an ad every 3 minutes.
I have recently discovered grilling JR . I ABSOLUTELY LOVE THiS!! Thanks Conrad Thanks JR
Thanks Randy.
John Wayne wasn't going to alienate any of his fanbase by aligning himself with the Republican party. That really wasn't much of a gamble... lol.
Jim Ross is so genuine and sincere. I remember when this incident happened. I felt like I lost my puppy.
And then felt like my puppy came back when Austin did.
I felt the same way!
Why is JR talking about BLM?? This is wrestling not rioting.
Austin didn’t want to work with Marc mero because sable power bombed mero on raw on national television a few weeks before their match in LA. And who could blame him for that? Mero ruined his own career by allowing sable to do that.
In fair to Mark, Rena was adored by the vince(s)
Believe it or not but Steve was just done in 2002. I can't think what they could have done with him anymore since he was getting older. He could have put over the new up comers like Cena, Orton, Brock or Batista but his top guy status was gone because his gimmick didn't evolve either. Unlike what people say his heel run in 2001 was great! But you can't be on top by doing the same thing that you have been doing for 5 years already. Hogan had to turn heel to get a new career boost, HHH had to become a modern Flair and set up Evolution, Taker went through multiple gimmick changes to stay relevant and The Rock simply left for Hollywood because his time was up too in some way.
His gimmick didnt need to evolve that shit would still be loved today and is lame af wanna be fan gtfo peasant bitch
How the meeting went:
Vince: Steve, we want you to job to Brock.
Austin: On PPV where we can make some money?
Vince: I was thinking on Raw on a qualifying KOTR match with no build for free.
Austin: What?
Vince: My bank account has too much money in it.
Austin: Are you ribbing me?
Vince: Nope.
JR is the GOAT! Try to think of a wrestling highlight from your childhood without hearing JR’s voice giving the play by play.
Mick Foley's pre-taped Championship win was Michael Cole (if memory serves, JR was out with a bout with Bells Palsy). But... let's be honest, it would have been that much better if JR was on the call.
Key ingredient of the Attitude Era. JR's enthusiasm made it feel real.
18:00 minutes in gave me chills when Jr was talking about how he had no idea he would get that call about his wife. Saying that we never know if tomorrow will come. That was heavy yet so graceful.
MuH racism. Tired of hearing the excuse others use to enable bad behavior and/or failures.
great show per usual . Please de-click JR's mic or have him take a step back :)
Love this and cornettes podcast, two legends talking the business.
Cornette is too god damned negative for my liking. He comes off like that "old man yells about young kids" all the time. He's a brilliant historian and I can listen to him talk old stories but hearing him talk about anything recent is horrendous.
Mr. Fantastic I agree to some extent.
Fantastic whether you agree with cornette or not it's clear that he 100% authentic......for me unlike 4 of Conrads conhosts arn excluded
Tony i like except when talking about aew as he comes off as an ass kisser
Eric still doesn't get that while he got wcw to number 1, he also took them off it,
JR is so defensive and is clear that every reason eric gave for firing jim is true
Bruce tells the best stories but is full of it
@@mr.fantastic1854 yea, i dig him, i disagree with some of his beliefs and shit but he can be pretty damn funny..but i get why he bitches about most of the new things..because it mostly sucks balls. i totally get it, he was a talent through the golden years of wrestling. then you get to todays stuff and its horrendous. so of course he's going to complain like an old man. cause he is lmao
@Chris Terry its the funniest
I would’ve walked too if I was in his situation. Sometimes you gotta just say fuck it and go. If they didn’t want to do the right thing for business then he needed to send a message. After all the money he made Vince, and his company you’d think they’d value him more. Apparently they didn’t, they treated him like a damn midcarder. Stone cold was still over at the time and will be infinitely over for the rest of his life. If he shows up to wwe, people watch . And that’s the bottom line.
Conrad reminds me of a Furby doll.
Lol hey Mitch!
I can't say I was pining to hear JR's 100% politically-correct thoughts on race relations.
Lol so true.
Haha it was weird
So self-serving and low level basic strategic politically correct statement… I’m JR and I’m against racism lol
The exact reason I clicked off and I'm black haha
I appreciated em
Something else to notice in 2002, which I am sure Austin took note of; Shawn coming back, Triple H being back and of course Hogan's presence, he knew it was gonna hurt him with all of that star power around him. The ego of the nWo was not going to bold well for Steve.
Hogan basically took Steve's spot.
You are absolutely correct in the way Austin felt during this situation, the problem is he never should’ve been put in that situation. Vince should’ve said to Steve “what do you want to do?” regardless if nWo was there or not. Steve is the reason why they went global and the fact they didn’t even ask him is why this is all fucked up.
Conrad is a true Meltzer mark!! If he writes it, it must be the gospel!!
He was the only one doing it back then.
I know he's always quoting him
I bet Conrad holds up meltzer is god signs!🤣🤣
JR says he doesn't carry any negatives his a happy man yet he comes across as a real curmudgeon
Me finding and listening to Wrestling Podcasts, starting in late 2018, are the reason I subscribed to the wwe network, and got back into wrestling after not watching it since around 2001/2002 or something. I actually forgot wrestling even really existed. I mean I knew it did, but I didn’t even think of let alone watch wrestling for like 16/17 years. With the exception of the Benoit thing.
Yeah, it's been the same for me. I been getting back into it lately because of these podcasts. Still haven't watched much of the new stuff, but I'm really enjoying some of the documentary type of shows about the old days wwe network puts on.
1:09:10 I remember Prichard said Austin said why would he bother to work a match against Mero when days ago, he’d just been powerbombed by Sable, and the match was pretty much immediately nixed 😂
Bryan Mack Yeah, he’s a guy who could be very bitter with how his career went, but he seems very happy and not a train wreck like some guys from the period. He speaks highly of Sable and says he was all for making her a big star. Totally not bitter
The 2 wrestling podcasts I listen to are, the Jim Cornette experience, and of course, this bad boy, grilling JR. Brilliant. Just brilliant.
Stone Cold Steve Austin might have had creative control but he did not get paid to be a part of creative. It wasn't his job to come up with something else. But I do see how it could of helped.
Austin was right in walking out. Wwe has just made him feel guilty since then.
Love this podcast
Keep it up brothers!!
Rock telling people to get the f out made no sense. He left not long after.
He's just as bad as Austin was at that point.
WWE let his contract run down expire on purpose with no contact of renewal.
Booker T has always been on of my favs. Harlem heat still one of my top favorite tag teams
If austin just would have stuck around.... He could have worked with Shawn Michaels again. Brock Lesnar after he got big. Eddie.. Heck let him work with RVD they werent doing anything with RVD.
After listening to most of this podcast, I came to the realization that Stone Cold Steve Austin was a diva. He didn’t understand that in 2002 he was no longer a draw. People didn’t really care about Austin in 2002 I remember in that time stars like Brock, Lesnar triple H Chris, Jericho, and others were starting to shine, and Steve Austin didn’t want to give up the spotlight. He couldn’t face the fact that he was past his prime and he wasn’t the main event superstar like he was in the 90s that was a different decade. The attitude era was over and the WWE was moving into a different direction. He wasn’t relevant anymore I don’t care how big of a star you are in pro wrestling eventually people get bored of you and they want to see someone else it goes like that for every wrestler
$250,000 -$650,000 fine would sure be a huge wake-up call for me.
Great show, it seems communication could have solved a lot of issues. But I've always thought, Austin struggled when he returned as Rock was the bigger star when he came back. From wanting to turn heel at WM17, and then walking out a year later, just seemed he struggled with the idea that he wasn't the top dog like before the injury. Love both rock and Austin by the way, but Rock was bigger when Austin returned.
Him and Rock were pretty equal by the time WM 17 came around. It took Austin a little while to get back into the groove after being out for a year, but I think that build-up to WM 17 rejuvenated him. He wins the Rumble over Rock, had a great feud and match with HHH, and was headed to WM. Fans were ready to see him win the title back, but he personally felt stale and underestimated how over he would be going into the match. His big regret to this day is still turning heel instead of just giving Vince a stunner that night.
@carlabpurdy I think rock would dispute that as he is incredibly humble... But when Austin came back everyone was going crazy for Rock and I think Austin struggled with that hence all his troubles when he returned. But I maybe wrong, just my opinion
To the majority of wrestling fans he was the top guy he was 1a & 1b was the rock. There's a reason why he won superstar of the decade & why he always gets a louder pop than the rock ever could. The fans loved austin so much is why his heel turn never worked they didn't buy it that's when i stopped watching anyway especially with wcw gone.
@@jermaineobrien6378 Yes but The Rock surpassed Austin box office by then and had the most drawing power and as well as ratings and so on just WWE doesn't want to acknowledge it as they protected Austin more who is Vince's favourite with his Superman booking and three WM Victories for the belt and stealing the rock's thunder at times helping win the title making rock was looking too weak to win it by himself like Austin 98/99 would do it alone! Also the numbers don't lie who was the bigger star by that time in the WWE.
U have to realize The Rock's gimmick naturally has more mainstream appeal and Vince loves that and gave him so much freedom to pursue things he has only let Cena do for some reason.
I have a feeling that Stone Cold saying this is one of his biggest regrets might be because of his ties to WWE currently and them not wanting him to advocate this kind of behavior.
Wrong. Stone Cold saying it was one of his "biggest-regrets" has to do with the fact that because he breached his contract, that terminated his royalties as well. So all the "Austin 3:16" stuff pre-walkout Austin doesn't get a dime for anymore.
@@D2Kprime hmmm interesting. Got a link. Id like to read more about that.
@@D2Kprime He also had an upcoming beer license deal (similar to his IPO now) right before he walked out which was terminated too. He lost out on a LOT of money in 2002, people don't seem to realize that.
Why Stone Cold was being treated like any midcarder in 2002 is beyond me. Especially when everything that company had at the time was built on his bad neck and bad spine. The WWE jet, going public, etc.
I was at the hotel 2002 London radisson Heathrow when scott hall turned up drunk, we heard wrestlers saying in the bar,hes sacked!"
As a kid this shocked me when it happened, couldn't believe he was gone. We didn't have internet like that back then to try to look it up and find out what happened. Had to wait until the next episode of Raw or in this case Confidential.
What's not being mentioned is Scott hall started back drinking after Vince lied to him about how many days off he was supposed to have when he signed. That's why he started back drinking
Either way Scott or whoever is responsible for what goes in their own bodies. Not trying to piss on Hall’s grave because I loved him. He was awesome as hell.
I'm glad they finally got a distinguishable UA-cam for this podcast.
I would love to have been a fly on the wall at a 98/99/2000 WrestleMania party.
31:40 "are u going to do something with that?" Dayum dude.. lol....
The match Rock v Hogan match was awesome.
Austin's run in WCW was a bum rush. He has the talent,look and mic skills and would have been a good heel World champion. A cocky Hollywood blonde-headed champion would have gone over good. Hell he and Pillman should have been a part of the Horsemen revival instead of Paul Roma which was a disaster. Instead they put the Blondes against Arn and Ric which was good because Pillman and Austin were good at heeling up against those two but it would have been better if they were Horsemen. WCW really dropped the ball on a lot of stuff in the 90's
JR will always be the savior in his stories. Never does anything wrong.
He admits several times that he failed in this situation.
Austin vs Hogan
Triple H vs Jericho vs The Rock
Let's remember that JR signed Austin and the Rock!
Not only did the nWo kill WWF in 2002, creative never could be forthright or honest with Austin. Crazy and outrageous, and whether Steve doubts his decision to leave and walk out, I definitely see it as the right move and hopefully it was eye opening back at that time.
Saw the ad cluster and immediately turned the video off. I'm not against monetization but damn.
Jim Ross is the GREATEST Mind of the wrestling business for sure. Huge fan Sir.
Thanks 😊 JR🤠 Love ya, man
When the Rock and Austin left the WWE, I stopped watching. Haven’t seen a single show since.
Can't believe J.R. capitulated to the SJW bullshit.
Thank you J.R for spreading some light on all that i even felt that wwe was not wwe that year with out STONE COLD STEEVE AUSTIN watching it around that time did not feel the same like there never was AUSTIN.
Even JR recognizes the change in Vitors physique post USADA lmfao
Guerrero v. Austin in a cerverza v. beer match.
Love J.R. He was a part of my childhood and now that I'm older and into the work force I really can appreciate his unique role in the entire presentation and how he told the thousands and thousands of stories of that squared circle. He took commentary to the tale-teller level and absolutely perfected it.
Thank you good sir for all of this. All that said, the woke stuff is very unbecoming of you and I wonder if now you have a different opinion of the events at that time and even up until now..?
Oh hell yeah!
What?
It is a fascinating and sad pattern... Bret, HBK, Austin, Angle. All referred to Vince as a "father figure". All were hurt when Vince eventually distanced himself from them and all could not face it when they were no longer the company's "top guy".
Why does Conrad want to know how big batista's "you know" was?
Ross talking Jan choking me up everytime.
very sour grapes by austin in 2002, he had headlined the past 3 manias and set records whilst doing so up until that point, was the top guy, won alot of titles, as soon as Vince decides to look into making a new star and change with the times, austin picks up his pram and walks out.
He thought he was all that cause at the time he was the superstar that helped saved WWF during the Monday Night Raw. When he saw in 01 that he was just one of the boys the pissing contest began between Vince and Steve.
I don't have a lot of sympathy for austin....he chose to do an ill-advised heel turn that drove business and couldn't accept that Jericho needed his time to shine
Cena went way longer than Steve and didn't compain......I lost a lot of respect for him here
You’re an idiot. Greatness needs to be treated like greatness, working with Brock Lesnar for a qualifier match! That’s a terrible idea, Austin knew his worth and we all do too.
He was wrong to walk out. The problem was his neck injury. His neck was a chronic issue, it was a miracle that he came back after taking that pile driver in 97. That's why Cena lasted longer, he didn't suffer an injury like that.
I did not know Steve Austin had major problems...Jim Ross did a great job in explaining the details about Stonecold situation......
Hi I’m in a 30 year loan,
Does anybody here know how I can save money? Thanks in advance.
Kind of crazy that there's all these creative and writing problems after Vince Russo leaves, that's a story that doesn't get told very often...if ever.
Lol true never thought about that
Alot of the talent left to but Russo I'm not sure about him his performance in WcW was up and down. I know writing must be tough because getting the talent to also agree seems to be a pain in the ass with all those ego's
Cornette probably tried to bury it.
Chris Jericho and Tyson did the exact thing that Tyson and Austin did they couldn't even come up with nothing original on their own to do
Lost me when the pandering kicked in
STONECOLD!!! STONECOLD!!! STONECOLD!!!
-JR
I love listening to J comment on wrestling, but his understanding of social matters is skewed. Racial prejudice may very well exist but BLM are grifters, no doubt about it. We all need to accept personal responsibility to transform our society for the better, this victim culture Americans are encouraging it not helping anyone.
💯💯💯
Austin didn't screw Vince, Vince screwed Vince
Why would you pay $9 a month on ad free shows to avoid ads when you could pay the same amount and get no ads on all of UA-cam... lol. Ive never heard a single ad on any of Conrad's shows.
Conrad, do you HAVE to sell me something every video?
Add free ?? Theres about 20 adds in this whats going on there
Good God it's magnificent hearing JR shoot straight as a Sunday preacher throughout the whole show after I've heard 100 hours of Bruce "Fake Diesel Wasn't Trying To Pop A Rating" Prichard spin garbage
There's too much JR and not enough ads. Put more ad breaks in these videos.
LOL
A lot of people in the comment section are going to ride the Steve Austin bandwagon, but I’m gonna be real after the attitude era ended, Stone Cold Steve Austin was a shell of his former self. I would say by year 2000 he was injury prone. He was barely doing anything and his career was pretty much done, the ruthless aggression era did not need Steve Austin. He brought nothing to the table in the early and mid 2000s. He was passed his prime after the attitude era real wrestling fans know this
He literally mentioned he wanted to retire 2-3 years before he actually did. Because his body was broken down already.
I loved Austin as a teenager, but its hard not to look at him as a bit of a baby here.
It kind of sounds like by the way Vince was booking him he was burying stone cold on his way out
McMahon was three with him after he bought WCW.
@@travismcdonald6576 three?
I disagree with Conrad Thompson on the beginning of the topic in 2002 stone cold was already passed his prime and the WWE already knew this which is why they were pushing other stars like Brock Lesner Chris, Jericho, and Triple H and etc. by 2002 stone cold was too badly injured. His wrestling career was already over the surprising thing to me is he managed to squeeze five extra years out of his in ring career after the injury at Summer slam 1997 against Owen Hart. So that’s really when he was supposed to retire, but he was too popular and he stretched his career an extra a few years but by the time WCW was out of business and the Monday night war was over Steve Austin was irrelevant. They didn’t need him in 2002 and that’s a fact… in 2002 they had so much star powered that Austin was not needed his popularity ran out after 90s ended
Dumping beer on him certainly didn't help
Austin grew up in a dog eat dog world. Being around 250. He got to protect his character like it's resource. I think he knows what was best for him.
Yup its important to understand where these guys came from
Instead of a no build up loss, why didn't they just make Austin and Lesnar a major feud