The scene with Rosalie having that conversation with Ralph is a scene I really enjoy. Not because of the context of said scene, but because the actress did such a great job. As a side character, I always really liked Ro.
With Episodes like this, Chase was communicating to his critics. At the time, commentators, reporters etc were denigrating the Sopranos for negative stereotypes of Italian Americans. Chase would never go on interview shows or answer questions -- he would just write an episode.
The abrupt ending to this episode is a comedic moment if you recognize the music that plays at the end. Its a song from Frankie Valli and the Four Seasons, which is the group that the Casino Chief is asking Tony to put him in contact with, and who Tony derisively tells Silvio to discuss his gripes about Native Americans with.
just a fact that makes Silvo’s “Italian pride” rhetoric this episode a bit digestible is that the “Italian pride” stuff was supposed to go to Paulie but Tony Sirico wasn’t able film any of it due to medical reasons if i’m not mistaken lol
It definitely would have fit Paulie’s character better but I still think it works pretty good for Sil. We all know somebody who’s pretty chill most of the time but has that one topic they’re passionate about
The actor who played the Chief was in a bunch of fun movies, including playing one of the main convicts in "Con Air"...he's like a chameleon...very underrated
That scene when Tony smacks patsy on the back of the head like he was his son always gets me. Those moments like that really shows tony is truly the big daddy of the family.
The actor who plays Ralphie won an Emmy for this season. When he put in the episodes to be looked at, he put in “Whoever Did This” which won, and this one. Lol, I listen to a Sopranos podcast and their theory is that he knew if he wins it would obviously be for “Whoever Did This” so he just sent this one in to make them watch the scene with him and Janice.
Great discussion! Love when you guys look for and try and tie together the threads and common themes and etc. That's the good stuff, Sopranos is ripe for that. (And hey, cheers from Brazil !!)
The hallmark of this episode is it’s the only episode where Tony actually expresses an intelligent thought. His speech in the car is the high point in Tony’s intellectual career. 😂
I don't agree. It's pretty well established that Tony is smart. He even references his high IQ in All Due Respect, and his leadership potential is noted by his former coach in The Test Dream. Melfi also commends him on his metaphor about the relationship between mothers and children over time, in Season 6. He may be largely reprehensible and say dumb (but funny) things often, but this is hardly his only intelligent thought.
David chase gets a lot of credit, deservingly, but he’s actually only credited with writing about half the episodes and only direct the first and last episodes. Michael imperioli wrote this episode and a couple more (one of my favorite episodes in a later season). Matthew weiner (creator of madmen) wrote several episodes. Lots of different directors too. Chase was obviously behind it all but it was a group effort
@@redox.cinema The writing credits doesn't mean that Chase wasn't behind the script, though. As the showrunner, he did a pass on all the scripts, potentially heavily rewriting it, but it was common back then to not reflect that in the writing credits because it's assumed. All it means is that when he's credited, he wrote it from the ground up, whereas the ones where you have another writer credited, he only did final revisions, potentially rewriting it. Matthew Weiner, who would join Sopranos in season 5, would change that in his own show, Mad Men, where any time he did a substantial rewrite he would get the writing credit alongside the other writer, and it was mildly controversial (which is to say, nobody outside the tv writers community even noticed lol).
In a sense.. Bobby IS the embodiment of everything Tony looks up to as the strong silent "Gary Cooper" type that he always mentions 😂 Think about it. Like you mentioned he's family orientated, he's quiet, he isn't a psychopath, he doesn't take pleasure in the suffering many of these people inflict. He just does what is needed to be done to put food on the table. He's the man you can rely on. He was there every step of the way with Uncle Junior's personal issues. Yet in the organization, even with Tony, he isn't looked at as much. He's even laughed at and made fun of for not having a piece on the side. A very interesting examination on the so-called values this sub culture of Italian American organized criminals apparently hold dear, and the blind hypocrasy of it all.
This has long been considered the worst episode of the show for a variety of reasons. Season 4 is the first season that premiered late (this would happen again several times). First 3 seasons came out back to back to back in a 2 year span. So there was huge anticipation. Then Season 4 came out a year and a half after season 3 ended. At this point, the show had become one of the most popular shows on television. A lot of the viewers were tuning in for just the mob stuff and hated episodes like this. Its one of those episodes that perfectly fine on a binge, but a lot of fans disliked while waiting week to week when it originally aired.
it has that reputation, but most of the reactors seem to really like it and have a lot to say haha. i get it, it's a bit heavy-handed. but i like what it does with the characters. hilarious that sil gets wrapped up in trying to intimidate indigenous peoples day out of existence
IMO it’s definitely not the worst. The worst to me in the season 1 episode, I think it’s called “a hit is a hit” where Chris meets some phony rapper and there’s this lame story line
@@joerogan9522its not enough, this and A hit is a hit are the worst. If i want leftist propaganda(nothing wrong with it) id just watch Stephen Colbert instead.
Mama's little huuuah ! 😂
Your reaction to Ralphie and Janice scene...*chef's kiss*
oh so thaaaat’s what the thumbnail is
The scene with Rosalie having that conversation with Ralph is a scene I really enjoy. Not because of the context of said scene, but because the actress did such a great job. As a side character, I always really liked Ro.
Her actress rally brought a lot to the role.
With Episodes like this, Chase was communicating to his critics. At the time, commentators, reporters etc were denigrating the Sopranos for negative stereotypes of Italian Americans. Chase would never go on interview shows or answer questions -- he would just write an episode.
This episode is so quotable. " He was gay Gary Cooper?", AND IN THIS HOUSE CHRISTOPHER COLUMBUS IS A HERO, END OF STORY!", "Mommas little Huwaaaah".
🤌🏾🤌🏾 gotta love a quotable sopranos ep
This episode was written by Michael Imperioli, the actor that plays Christopher
He was gay, Michael Imperioli?
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The abrupt ending to this episode is a comedic moment if you recognize the music that plays at the end. Its a song from Frankie Valli and the Four Seasons, which is the group that the Casino Chief is asking Tony to put him in contact with, and who Tony derisively tells Silvio to discuss his gripes about Native Americans with.
just a fact that makes Silvo’s “Italian pride” rhetoric this episode a bit digestible is that the “Italian pride” stuff was supposed to go to Paulie but Tony Sirico wasn’t able film any of it due to medical reasons if i’m not mistaken lol
It definitely would have fit Paulie’s character better but I still think it works pretty good for Sil. We all know somebody who’s pretty chill most of the time but has that one topic they’re passionate about
@@Buttsley1I wish. Nowadays even the abused cowboys won't shut up about every little "cause" lol
@@Buttsley1 honestly i agree with you. i never thought it would be weird if Sil ended up having one thing he’s outspoken about.
@@Buttsley1 especially since we've seen Sil lose his temper in certain situations, such as the executive game.
His grandfather was a night of Columbus and his grandparents were spit on because they were from Calabria. I would be pissed too
Ralphie leaving a baddie like Rosalie for Janice gotta be one of the weirdest choices ever
Men in the can better looking than Janice
uncle junior is still kicking in 2024
One of my favorite running gags on the show was Little Paulie always somehow getting his ass kicked/injured
The actor who played the Chief was in a bunch of fun movies, including playing one of the main convicts in "Con Air"...he's like a chameleon...very underrated
That scene when Tony smacks patsy on the back of the head like he was his son always gets me. Those moments like that really shows tony is truly the big daddy of the family.
A Classic family man.
The actor who plays Ralphie won an Emmy for this season. When he put in the episodes to be looked at, he put in “Whoever Did This” which won, and this one. Lol, I listen to a Sopranos podcast and their theory is that he knew if he wins it would obviously be for “Whoever Did This” so he just sent this one in to make them watch the scene with him and Janice.
Frankie Valli was the lead singer in the Four Seasons, a popular band in the 1960s. He later portrayed Rusty Millio in this series.
Great discussion! Love when you guys look for and try and tie together the threads and common themes and etc. That's the good stuff, Sopranos is ripe for that. (And hey, cheers from Brazil !!)
Thank you!! 🇧🇷🇧🇷
The hallmark of this episode is it’s the only episode where Tony actually expresses an intelligent thought. His speech in the car is the high point in Tony’s intellectual career. 😂
Very true The confidence part was very smart and can apply to any group which is why it is so intelligent.
I don't agree. It's pretty well established that Tony is smart. He even references his high IQ in All Due Respect, and his leadership potential is noted by his former coach in The Test Dream. Melfi also commends him on his metaphor about the relationship between mothers and children over time, in Season 6. He may be largely reprehensible and say dumb (but funny) things often, but this is hardly his only intelligent thought.
David chase gets a lot of credit, deservingly, but he’s actually only credited with writing about half the episodes and only direct the first and last episodes. Michael imperioli wrote this episode and a couple more (one of my favorite episodes in a later season). Matthew weiner (creator of madmen) wrote several episodes. Lots of different directors too. Chase was obviously behind it all but it was a group effort
Awesome insight! It’s cool to see some of the actors get a chance to write
@@redox.cinema The writing credits doesn't mean that Chase wasn't behind the script, though. As the showrunner, he did a pass on all the scripts, potentially heavily rewriting it, but it was common back then to not reflect that in the writing credits because it's assumed. All it means is that when he's credited, he wrote it from the ground up, whereas the ones where you have another writer credited, he only did final revisions, potentially rewriting it. Matthew Weiner, who would join Sopranos in season 5, would change that in his own show, Mad Men, where any time he did a substantial rewrite he would get the writing credit alongside the other writer, and it was mildly controversial (which is to say, nobody outside the tv writers community even noticed lol).
Hey who wouldn't wanna sit around smoking mushrooms all day? I envy them lol
In a sense.. Bobby IS the embodiment of everything Tony looks up to as the strong silent "Gary Cooper" type that he always mentions 😂
Think about it. Like you mentioned he's family orientated, he's quiet, he isn't a psychopath, he doesn't take pleasure in the suffering many of these people inflict. He just does what is needed to be done to put food on the table. He's the man you can rely on. He was there every step of the way with Uncle Junior's personal issues. Yet in the organization, even with Tony, he isn't looked at as much. He's even laughed at and made fun of for not having a piece on the side.
A very interesting examination on the so-called values this sub culture of Italian American organized criminals apparently hold dear, and the blind hypocrasy of it all.
Well, Little Paulie told Paulie about the joke. And because Paulie's being a sycophant to the Lupertazzi family, he told Johnny about the joke.
i forgot about ralphie playing peggle 😂
I'd let Janice call me her little huuah 😇
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This has long been considered the worst episode of the show for a variety of reasons. Season 4 is the first season that premiered late (this would happen again several times). First 3 seasons came out back to back to back in a 2 year span. So there was huge anticipation. Then Season 4 came out a year and a half after season 3 ended. At this point, the show had become one of the most popular shows on television. A lot of the viewers were tuning in for just the mob stuff and hated episodes like this. Its one of those episodes that perfectly fine on a binge, but a lot of fans disliked while waiting week to week when it originally aired.
Yeah I can see why that might be some people’s opinion. But I feel like every episode leaves you with something and this one is no different!
I think this episode shows the loss of the Mob's power in the early 21st Century.
Such a hilarious episode.
The scenes of Janice in therapy just show how Janice is a master manipulator... even in control of her own therapist.
100%
Probably the "worst" episode of The Sopranos.....but still a good episode lol
it has that reputation, but most of the reactors seem to really like it and have a lot to say haha. i get it, it's a bit heavy-handed. but i like what it does with the characters. hilarious that sil gets wrapped up in trying to intimidate indigenous peoples day out of existence
IMO it’s definitely not the worst. The worst to me in the season 1 episode, I think it’s called “a hit is a hit” where Chris meets some phony rapper and there’s this lame story line
@@americanzombie1802oof madon' yes A Hit is a Hit... definitely wasn't a hit
@@docyukiohattoriit's about as subtle as a plain crash lol
I always consider “in Camelot” in the later seasons the worse.
Coys
This is by far the worst episode of Soprano's ever.
Its very woke though
Chris : He was gay gary cooper? 🤔
Tony : No! And that face expression nah alone for this can't be the worst.
@@joerogan9522its not enough, this and A hit is a hit are the worst. If i want leftist propaganda(nothing wrong with it) id just watch Stephen Colbert instead.
never understood this opinion
@@hermit5941 take a guess?