@Redwood-sz9td Initially Hinduism was a geographical identity, People residing beside Sindh/Hind/Indus river were called Hindus. Later it was hijacked or if it sounds rude to you, it was developed to indentify vedic people. & Today hinduism is basically vedic philosophy. Since charvak philosophy is not vedic philosophy it's not hindu philosphy. charwak was opposite to vedic philosophy. And if you think these both conflicting philosophies are hinduism, and if you belive hinduism totally accepts opposite philosophies, you shouldn't be offended by any other religion or what I say. If you think your belief is the only correct thing, then I am right, if not, the original commentator and you shouldn't be offended by the video, because isn't hinduism about respecting all beliefs & opinions?
@Redwood-sz9td As I said, 𝐧𝐨𝐰 hinduism is basically only vedic philosophies, Its was geographical identifier only at the begining when the word was coined. And when was "hinduism" coined? only 200 years back. Charvak is 2000 year old philosophy. So you cannot claim charwak is part of hinduism. It would be like saying since gautam buddha was born in presend day Nepal, He was a Nepali. No Nepal didn't existed back then.
Man quoting Shabnam Hashmi, an Islam apologist Ashrafi class woman deeply embedded in Delhi's old power elites, is a paragon of Athist, rationalist, independent opinion... Wow.
Madam&Sir,indian muslims are the secularists of the world. That will make OIC the largest secular organization across the globe. Indian muslims don't want to leave india and their population is increasing. Yet they are always cribbing that they are not allowed to live according to sharia. India has lots of Christians who hate hindus just as muslims do.
Loved the expert👏👏👏 thank you channel .As a dalit/ lower caste ,i rarely see people talk about indian ground realities.ignore the upper caste h1ndu rantings in the comment.
Because science and education are destroying the con games of religion. There are trillions of dollars in religion. What happens when they vanish, people stop believing them? ALL THE HOLY PEOPLE IN HIGH PLACES IN THE GOVERNMENTS? THE MONEY THEY COLLECT AS INCOME? Besides being able to control the minds of those who believe in their fantasies. What does that mean for the Religious State Of Israel?
"If there is a country on earth which can justly claim the honour of having been the cradle of the Human race or at least the scene of primitive civilization, the successive developments of which carried into all parts of the ancient world and even beyond, the blessings of knowledge which is the second life of man, that country is assuredly India" India is the cradle of the human race, the birthplace of human speech, the mother of history, the grandmother of legend and the great grand mother of tradition 🎉
This is unrelated, but how do you date as an atheist? I have been on dating websites for a while, and many women have rejected me because I am an atheist.
It is good that religionists don't date you because they could not likely bring you the happiness you need, just weird life rules based on nothing. Religion is dying, as it should.
You could search for atheist women in dating apps. People are being more open about these things. They're a small minority, but at least you are not in danger of being rejected for that specific reason.
Give up websites and start intermingling with like thinking people. Unfortunately there are few female atheist especially in the US but there are a few. I am 62 and also Atheist and single by choice but date women thats on the fence with religion and normal younger.
Great convo. Really important topic as there are many parallels between the rise of fascism in India and the US that can be informative about each other and how to combat the regressive ideology. For instance, the mention that a minority of the populace support the BJP. That's true in the US as well. Most people do not support republican policies. But we can see that republican policies are over represented thanks to a decades long effort to gerrymander states and to pack courts with sympathetic and ideologically motivated judges.
You have to realize all the countries suffering this disease are capitalist. When the majority of people are repressed they historically turn to backward thinking and religion for answers and fixes but they only make things worse.
That is interesting that he mentioned that Modi is trying to "monotheize" Hinduism. Dr. Hector Avalos opined that monotheism was not an advancement in religion, but something that made it more dangerous. When you have a "one true God" it means that those who do not follow your God must by necessity follow a false God and that it makes it easier to "otherize" those who are non-believers in your one "true" God. If you watch history documentaries on Akhenaten they always gush over how he was a monotheist. How revolutionary he was! Well, I don't know or care about that, but there is some evidence that he was an ancient despot. The workers cemetery of those building his new city for his new God show people who were suffering and malnourished. Monotheism seems to have been used to oppress people for some time.
so has hinduism, for your knowledge atheism(charvak) , deductionism(vaisheshika), non-duality (advait) , exterior union with universe(Yoga/what you presume gymnastics) and 108 other schools of thoughts prevail in hinduism. You can be an atheist and an hindu. It might boggle abrahamic mind but it is lived reality by many saints and present people in India.
"South India has their own dieties, the dont follow lord ram". Bhadrachalam, a holy place for Lord Ram be like: Am I a joke to you? Rameshwaram be like: Am I a joke to you? What sort of an 'expert' is this guy?
India is secular because Indians are secular not because constitution is secular...the word 'secular' was added 29 years after independence in 1976. The founding father DID NOT add secular in the constitution consciously...this guy saying COMPLETE lies to an American audience on India and Hinduism... Please call Kushal Mehra Charvak podcast to know more.
@@ashwinvk4124 Britain has been secular too without a backdoor addition of the word Secular. Even with all the fanfare of coronation of a Christian King, to defend the faith etc, none loses sleep on erosion of rights for others because everyone knows that de facto it'll continue being secular in action. However, Nehruvian school believed that even a small scale restoration of Hinduness to the nation (e.g. rebuilding Somnath temple from its ruins) will endanger the spirit of sexukarism. In Tamilnadu, a politician changes his name from Vai.Ko (a short form for Vaiapuri Gopalaswamy) to permanent name as Vaiko and states in a press conference he wanted to make it more secular, as if 90% Tamils with Hindu names aren't secular in spirit or action. I critique Hindutva and BJP at many levels and still do. But, one thing non-Indians can rest assured of is that so long as Hindus are the majority, India will remain secular in action (and in letter too). If Muslims become 51%, it will go down the Malaysia route (Bhumiputra Malay - 55%) and make everyone else second class citizens. The more liberals deny this simple fact and treat Hinduism as requiring redemption too, Hindutva politics will soar.
Well current Abrahamac people are not responsible what happened centuries ago also Hindus also oppressed other Hindus for centuries and continue to do so
No, They just claimed that Babari Mosque was not built on a virgine land. There was a Temple there that was destroyed by "Babar" in order to build the Mosque. Archaeological Survey of India found the ruins under the Mosque and confirmed the claim. Both parties agreed with survey and Supreme Court of India handed over the area to the Hindu side. Land twice as much as Babari hold was given to the Muslim side to built the Mosque. This talk is misleading. He ignored so many facts that were very important to understand the issues we are facing here.
Unfortunately secularism is too strong in India. Hindu Dharma is a beautiful and wonderful thing and yes, christianity and islam needs to be booted out. If you do a deep study of Hinduism you WILL want to incorporate it in your life. And pray India never becomes entirely secular and loses her precious and unique identity.
They do they are advocating secular government every were besides Muslim countries are going secular way because people are tired of political Islamist
What secularism? Collapse of Secularism in India is a stupid statement and a bad joke. There has never been secularism in India since 1947. Did Jawaharlal Nehru, Indira Gandhi and Rajiv Gandhi implement secularism? Do you think middle age youth leader Rahul Papu would implement secularism? Religion was injected in to the indépendance struggle by Mahatma Gandhi. Every political leader has implemented anti-secular vote bank appeasement policies. Rajiv Gandhi was the most anti-secular prime minister of India - he buried the corpse of secularism when he annulled the Supreme Court judgement in favour of a divorced Muslim woman Shah Bano granting her the right to alimony. Mahatma Gandhi always favoured Muslims.
Ok i am not a voter of bjp or ruling party,but such a biased one sided discussion,Nor America is christina nationalist country its very much a secular country (now you cant snatch away a basic identity of a country)
Europe has very tiny religious minority so they don't have the threat of being taken over by the minority but it is different in India. Here religious minority comprises 20% of total population out of which nearly 17% are muslims. Therefore it is very difficult for us to avoid any conflict. Also Indian muslims have very strong institutional hold in form of muslim boards such as Bakht Board, Muslim personal law board etc. Indian muslims still make use of Sharia law in their personal laws.
Purveying falsehood at so many levels. RSS formed in 1925 when Nazi and Hitler were unknown even in Weimar Germany. RSS essentially was formed to strengthen Hindu society and get rid of 1000 yrs of foreign rule which includes Muslims and British. Initial RSS was more based on British military but ethos were Hindu/ Indian. Also It is Hindu nation not a Hindu state. Implying the cultural nationalism and not religious. As per the manifesto of Early Hindu nationalist, All the faiths including Muslims and Christians are free to practice.. Sensitivity about Muslims has to be understood in background of the partition of India as Muslim demanded a separate nation. The Muslim population has increased by 44% in India since partition. They are officially 14% but more like 20% as last census was 13 yrs ago. Hindu is a civilizational concept in India and not religious. Also secularist should welcome Hinduism as Atheist or Charvaks as they are called in India, as integral part of the society as are LGBTQ.
India is not secular. It never was. The Indian Constitution has Hindu Personal Laws and Muslim Personal Laws (Sharia). Narendra Modi’s Party is trying its best to bring in a Uniform Civil Code. Which would be secular. Same laws for all - beyond religion. Add to that, a Christian can’t be an atheist. A Muslim can’t be an atheist. But a Hindu can. Look up Nirīśvaravāda or Cārvāka. Also, it was under Narendra Modi that LGBTQ+ citizens were decriminalised in 2018. Your guest is peddling propaganda, not facts.
"India, also known as Bharat, is a Union of States. It is a Sovereign Socialist Secular Democratic Republic with a parliamentary system of government. ". - constitution of India www.india.gov.in/my-government/constitution-india Please don't spread baseless misinformation
This Mr Pal is an extremist in his thoughts and paints a completely biased and one sided view … has very little knowledge of Hinduism when he says BJP is trying to promote one deity and one holy book. Lord Ram is revered in south of India as he is in north India. It was in BJP manifesto to build a temple after 500 years of struggle. The Sikhs who were killed in Canada ….its only an allegation with no proof. They were designated terrorists in India and Canada ignored their extradition request from India. Now the latest we know that the killers have been apprehended and there is no link with Indian govt established yet.
10 crore Hindus were butchered since invention of peaceful religion , 20 million temple destroyed, 100 million statue destroyed, 100 million hindu women kidnapped and sold by turk and Arabs but hindu survived. Kudos to Abrahmic faith for all deed committed But hindu is fundamentalist
Teaching atheism or secularism to a hindu is great irony..
Irony is you using the word irony here.
Teach muslim before giving lecture to others
@Redwood-sz9td absolutely not, Charvaka is not the branch of hinduism. In that sense, christianity & Islam are more closer to hinduism than charwak
@Redwood-sz9td Initially Hinduism was a geographical identity, People residing beside Sindh/Hind/Indus river were called Hindus. Later it was hijacked or if it sounds rude to you, it was developed to indentify vedic people. & Today hinduism is basically vedic philosophy. Since charvak philosophy is not vedic philosophy it's not hindu philosphy. charwak was opposite to vedic philosophy.
And if you think these both conflicting philosophies are hinduism, and if you belive hinduism totally accepts opposite philosophies, you shouldn't be offended by any other religion or what I say. If you think your belief is the only correct thing, then I am right, if not, the original commentator and you shouldn't be offended by the video, because isn't hinduism about respecting all beliefs & opinions?
@Redwood-sz9td As I said, 𝐧𝐨𝐰 hinduism is basically only vedic philosophies, Its was geographical identifier only at the begining when the word was coined.
And when was "hinduism" coined? only 200 years back. Charvak is 2000 year old philosophy. So you cannot claim charwak is part of hinduism. It would be like saying since gautam buddha was born in presend day Nepal, He was a Nepali. No Nepal didn't existed back then.
Ffrf is blooming around the world and l am so happy people are becoming independent the clutches of religion.
"Religion" is just a category that has been created in the English language during the colonial era.
Historically no such thing has existed.
Man quoting Shabnam Hashmi, an Islam apologist Ashrafi class woman deeply embedded in Delhi's old power elites, is a paragon of Athist, rationalist, independent opinion... Wow.
Madam&Sir,indian muslims are the secularists of the world. That will make OIC the largest secular organization
across the globe.
Indian muslims don't want to
leave india and their population is increasing.
Yet they are always cribbing that they are not allowed to live according to sharia.
India has lots of Christians who hate hindus just as muslims do.
Islamist communist is double dose of hatred toward sanatani
Yes India is getting the UCC or Uniform Civil Code and make it truly secular.
This man is so short on facts....that even I can beat him on a debate.....and most of other people too defeat this man...😂😂😂😂
I don't really see India as all that "secularist" in the first place, but they need to really step up their push against Islam by a lot!
Loved the expert👏👏👏 thank you channel .As a dalit/ lower caste ,i rarely see people talk about indian ground realities.ignore the upper caste h1ndu rantings in the comment.
Lol, the 'expert' is totally bonkers, blabbering total nonsense.
Lovely FFRF ie., Freedom From Religion Foundation.
What a joke. Is he supposed to be an expert?
Some people seem to want to go backwards. It's too bad for the rest of us.
Because science and education are destroying the con games of religion. There are trillions of dollars in religion.
What happens when they vanish, people stop believing them?
ALL THE HOLY PEOPLE IN HIGH PLACES IN THE GOVERNMENTS? THE MONEY THEY COLLECT AS INCOME?
Besides being able to control the minds of those who believe in their fantasies.
What does that mean for the Religious State Of Israel?
"If there is a country on earth which can justly claim the honour of having been the cradle of the Human race or at least the scene of primitive civilization,
the successive developments of which carried into all parts of the ancient world and even beyond, the blessings of knowledge which is the second life of man, that country is assuredly India"
India is the cradle of the human race, the birthplace of human speech, the mother
of history, the grandmother of legend and the great grand mother of tradition
🎉
This is unrelated, but how do you date as an atheist? I have been on dating websites for a while, and many women have rejected me because I am an atheist.
I am sorry to hear about your potential dating issues. I think it's their loss not yours. Hang in there. Good luck with everything. Best wishes.
It is good that religionists don't date you because they could not likely bring you the happiness you need, just weird life rules based on nothing. Religion is dying, as it should.
Perhaps you could ask them why they believe what they believe.
You could search for atheist women in dating apps. People are being more open about these things. They're a small minority, but at least you are not in danger of being rejected for that specific reason.
Give up websites and start intermingling with like thinking people. Unfortunately there are few female atheist especially in the US but there are a few. I am 62 and also Atheist and single by choice but date women thats on the fence with religion and normal younger.
Can someone distinguish between "culture", "tradition", "spirituality" and "religion" - anyone?
Or maybe is it just mental gymnastics?
Another interesting fact is all the countries mentioned including the US has a caste system in place for years.
Watched all of it 37:56
Great convo. Really important topic as there are many parallels between the rise of fascism in India and the US that can be informative about each other and how to combat the regressive ideology. For instance, the mention that a minority of the populace support the BJP. That's true in the US as well. Most people do not support republican policies. But we can see that republican policies are over represented thanks to a decades long effort to gerrymander states and to pack courts with sympathetic and ideologically motivated judges.
You have to realize all the countries suffering this disease are capitalist. When the majority of people are repressed they historically turn to backward thinking and religion for answers and fixes but they only make things worse.
There is no fascism in India. Educate yourself.
@@sharmilakalain7549 I did. That's why I know that Modi and the BJP are fascists.
That is interesting that he mentioned that Modi is trying to "monotheize" Hinduism. Dr. Hector Avalos opined that monotheism was not an advancement in religion, but something that made it more dangerous. When you have a "one true God" it means that those who do not follow your God must by necessity follow a false God and that it makes it easier to "otherize" those who are non-believers in your one "true" God. If you watch history documentaries on Akhenaten they always gush over how he was a monotheist. How revolutionary he was! Well, I don't know or care about that, but there is some evidence that he was an ancient despot. The workers cemetery of those building his new city for his new God show people who were suffering and malnourished. Monotheism seems to have been used to oppress people for some time.
In the immortal words of Heraclitus "The only constant in life is change" but all religions deny this fact for their profit and power.
so has hinduism, for your knowledge atheism(charvak) , deductionism(vaisheshika), non-duality (advait) , exterior union with universe(Yoga/what you presume gymnastics) and 108 other schools of thoughts prevail in hinduism. You can be an atheist and an hindu. It might boggle abrahamic mind but it is lived reality by many saints and present people in India.
"South India has their own dieties, the dont follow lord ram".
Bhadrachalam, a holy place for Lord Ram be like: Am I a joke to you?
Rameshwaram be like: Am I a joke to you?
What sort of an 'expert' is this guy?
India is secular because Indians are secular not because constitution is secular...the word 'secular' was added 29 years after independence in 1976. The founding father DID NOT add secular in the constitution consciously...this guy saying COMPLETE lies to an American audience on India and Hinduism...
Please call Kushal Mehra Charvak podcast to know more.
The constitution is secular in nature without the word being used in it.
@@ashwinvk4124 Britain has been secular too without a backdoor addition of the word Secular. Even with all the fanfare of coronation of a Christian King, to defend the faith etc, none loses sleep on erosion of rights for others because everyone knows that de facto it'll continue being secular in action. However, Nehruvian school believed that even a small scale restoration of Hinduness to the nation (e.g. rebuilding Somnath temple from its ruins) will endanger the spirit of sexukarism. In Tamilnadu, a politician changes his name from Vai.Ko (a short form for Vaiapuri Gopalaswamy) to permanent name as Vaiko and states in a press conference he wanted to make it more secular, as if 90% Tamils with Hindu names aren't secular in spirit or action.
I critique Hindutva and BJP at many levels and still do.
But, one thing non-Indians can rest assured of is that so long as Hindus are the majority, India will remain secular in action (and in letter too). If Muslims become 51%, it will go down the Malaysia route (Bhumiputra Malay - 55%) and make everyone else second class citizens.
The more liberals deny this simple fact and treat Hinduism as requiring redemption too, Hindutva politics will soar.
Not Indian SANATANI ARE SECULAR
Tough to say to such a Historic Hindu people: "ignore the centuries of abrahamic opression, and religious persecution"....
Well current Abrahamac people are not responsible what happened centuries ago also Hindus also oppressed other Hindus for centuries and continue to do so
@Redwood-sz9td who told you they celebrate Hindutva media who demonize them
Facts?????????????????please
❤Day ka secularism
+1
So, they decided that the blue guy really exists? And what proof do they now have?
No, They just claimed that Babari Mosque was not built on a virgine land. There was a Temple there that was destroyed by "Babar" in order to build the Mosque. Archaeological Survey of India found the ruins under the Mosque and confirmed the claim. Both parties agreed with survey and Supreme Court of India handed over the area to the Hindu side. Land twice as much as Babari hold was given to the Muslim side to built the Mosque.
This talk is misleading. He ignored so many facts that were very important to understand the issues we are facing here.
@Redwood-sz9td I agree.
Unfortunately secularism is too strong in India. Hindu Dharma is a beautiful and wonderful thing and yes, christianity and islam needs to be booted out. If you do a deep study of Hinduism you WILL want to incorporate it in your life. And pray India never becomes entirely secular and loses her precious and unique identity.
Oh, and the term "Indian" is no longer used. They are called "Native Central Asians".
Why these people are NOT talking about secularism in Pakistan or any Islamic countries??
They do they are advocating secular government every were besides Muslim countries are going secular way because people are tired of political Islamist
Well Mr.Mohammed in 1947 , Muslims divided India to get their own separate state. Time Hindus woke up & claimed as a rightful Hindu nation.
There are many Muslims who didn’t vote for the partition India also was founded to be secular they are also against Christians and lower class castes
Better get a well-informed and honest guest instead of people like Pal who is not only ignorant but also a propagandist for mis-information!
After 500 years if slavery and 70 years of fascist dictatorship of congress. Its tine to get out of minority tyranny. India is doing well now
Is that why a lot of young Indians leaving India if a country is doing well people don’t leave
What secularism? Collapse of Secularism in India is a stupid statement and a bad joke. There has never been secularism in India since 1947. Did Jawaharlal Nehru, Indira Gandhi and Rajiv Gandhi implement secularism? Do you think middle age youth leader Rahul Papu would implement secularism? Religion was injected in to the indépendance struggle by Mahatma Gandhi. Every political leader has implemented anti-secular vote bank appeasement policies. Rajiv Gandhi was the most anti-secular prime minister of India - he buried the corpse of secularism when he annulled the Supreme Court judgement in favour of a divorced Muslim woman Shah Bano granting her the right to alimony. Mahatma Gandhi always favoured Muslims.
Was expecting an unbiased video
is age me he is blunt lier..5 millions death??
I am an atheist and I don't his point of view very appealing. The purists always end up towing someone else's line.
Ok i am not a voter of bjp or ruling party,but such a biased one sided discussion,Nor America is christina nationalist country its very much a secular country (now you cant snatch away a basic identity of a country)
You are they didn’t say anything biased
Be secular and multicultural like Europe
Europe has very tiny religious minority so they don't have the threat of being taken over by the minority but it is different in India. Here religious minority comprises 20% of total population out of which nearly 17% are muslims. Therefore it is very difficult for us to avoid any conflict. Also Indian muslims have very strong institutional hold in form of muslim boards such as Bakht Board, Muslim personal law board etc. Indian muslims still make use of Sharia law in their personal laws.
Europeans have rising right ie True Finns Party, Marie Le Pen in France and UK. Europeans are rising especially against Islam
And broken
Purveying falsehood at so many levels. RSS formed in 1925 when Nazi and Hitler were unknown even in Weimar Germany. RSS essentially was formed to strengthen Hindu society and get rid of 1000 yrs of foreign rule which includes Muslims and British. Initial RSS was more based on British military but ethos were Hindu/ Indian.
Also It is Hindu nation not a Hindu state. Implying the cultural nationalism and not religious. As per the manifesto of Early Hindu nationalist, All the faiths including Muslims and Christians are free to practice.. Sensitivity about Muslims has to be understood in background of the partition of India as Muslim demanded a separate nation. The Muslim population has increased by 44% in India since partition. They are officially 14% but more like 20% as last census was 13 yrs ago.
Hindu is a civilizational concept in India and not religious.
Also secularist should welcome Hinduism as Atheist or Charvaks as they are called in India, as integral part of the society as are LGBTQ.
😂😂😂😂
Most of what he says is BS.
Have you tried to teach secularism to Pakistan?
He does but you are so obsessed with Pakistan you can’t see it
@@laylaali5977 he doesn’t. Pakistan will self implode. Pakistan is obsessed with India. He says stop doing business with Pakistan they will starve
No Discussion About Jihadhi Terrorism 😝😝😝
No because jihadisam is dying but Hindutva terrorism is a problem now BJP has lost many seats things may get better
India is not secular. It never was.
The Indian Constitution has Hindu Personal Laws and Muslim Personal Laws (Sharia).
Narendra Modi’s Party is trying its best to bring in a Uniform Civil Code. Which would be secular. Same laws for all - beyond religion.
Add to that, a Christian can’t be an atheist. A Muslim can’t be an atheist. But a Hindu can. Look up Nirīśvaravāda or Cārvāka.
Also, it was under Narendra Modi that LGBTQ+ citizens were decriminalised in 2018.
Your guest is peddling propaganda, not facts.
"India, also known as Bharat, is a Union of States. It is a Sovereign Socialist Secular Democratic Republic with a parliamentary system of government. ". - constitution of India www.india.gov.in/my-government/constitution-india
Please don't spread baseless misinformation
This Mr Pal is an extremist in his thoughts and paints a completely biased and one sided view … has very little knowledge of Hinduism when he says BJP is trying to promote one deity and one holy book. Lord Ram is revered in south of India as he is in north India. It was in BJP manifesto to build a temple after 500 years of struggle. The Sikhs who were killed in Canada ….its only an allegation with no proof. They were designated terrorists in India and Canada ignored their extradition request from India. Now the latest we know that the killers have been apprehended and there is no link with Indian govt established yet.
nice one gunga deen !!!
10 crore Hindus were butchered since invention of peaceful religion , 20 million temple destroyed, 100 million statue destroyed, 100 million hindu women kidnapped and sold by turk and Arabs but hindu survived. Kudos to Abrahmic faith for all deed committed
But hindu is fundamentalist