I agree with Aaron. Sometimes the best choice is still a bad choice. You might not IDEALLY want to grab a blade, but ideally you’re not in that situation to begin with.
Fantastic video, as to be expected from you! I’ll also add my two cents about it, if that’s okay. Disarms remind me of what Icy Mike said about Kubatons (hold up, I’m not insane; I have a point)-if you can’t fight, they won’t help you, but if you can fight, you don’t need them. Most viable disarms I’ve seen (which tbh are not a lot) are from EXTREME positions of control-a shin staple when the attacker is belly down (like Aaron showed), a shin staple and hand control for belly up, back control, etc-these are all positions of so much dominance, you have so many better options than a disarm. Like Aaron said-I can knock you out, choke you out, break your arm, get a weapon out, disengage, etc, when you can do nothing. Then why focus on the low percentage move that doesn’t effect your attacker at all? Even if you get the knife out of his hand, he might use that time to escape the position and now you’re even again. Also-while grabbing the dull part of the blade and prying it out can work, a lot of knives don’t let you do that. Reverse edge knives, double edge, push daggers, etc-these all will change the mechanics of the disarm. So to put it simply-could knife disarms work? Yeah. Should you care a lot about them? Probably not. Great video, and I love both you and Jannetti! Excited to see what you’ll do after Craig’s course
Thank you for the kind words, I appreciate it. And yes exactly!! Why do we need a disarm if I can control the arm fully and knock you out? Much better option
One time have to disarm a crazy family member with a knife, no fancy technic just good old wrestling and jiu-jitsu, and i grab on the blade to have a lever to take out from his hand, i didn't even cut my hand because i grabbed with the monkey grip on the spine of the blade, it was scary as hell but thanks God everything went well, a hug from Brazil my friend
I wish there was more what to do in a neutral state. Because basically everything shown is an example of if u have a 2 on 1 grip or even just wrist control. Frenzied knife attacker is gonna just launch and try to close distance while wildly slashing or stabbing. Like the reality of fighting someone with a knife is to maintain distance or run like he mentions but in a situation where u can’t do that what are your best chances? Like is shooting a dbl leg braindead? Should I just try to change levels and try to get into a scramble where u can get the 2 on 1 etc. just wish there was more advice on what to do when you’re in a neutral stand up state
Have a video dropping discussing this a bit in regards to whether striking or grappling is a better way to create space against someone armed with a knife or edged weapon of some sort that is aggressively trying to harm you. Just need to finish editing it.
In a (very moderate) defense of knife disarms, I will say this... There are fancy kali/aikido disarms that can work IF they proceed from a moment of surprise. How you generate that surprise is a whole other question -- maybe it comes by feigning submission and then moving suddenly, maybe it comes because the attacker is preoccupied with something else (another person or looking through your wallet), maybe it comes because you've distracted them with something else (verbal or physical feints), maybe they're feeling distracting pain in another part of their body, or maybe their attention has become more occupied with your strikes or wrestling to keep track of blade retention. Its very hard to duplicate this moment of surprise in training (especially for multiple reps) though because obviously the training participants know the subject of their training. That makes them very hard to train live because simulating surprise is difficult. Its like an eye gouge or throat in striking. In anycase, as a matter of probabilities, you're better off just learning to be a good card player than trying to master hiding an ace up your sleeve...but that doesn't mean the ace trick doesn't or can't work.
Well so say you would turn your back to someone with a knife is insane. He can run after you and as your back pedaling, his body is moving forward faster then you can back away. Also if you have a knife hand pinned, the attacker can switch hands and pass the blade to the other hand. If you guys want to get good at knife fighting, go to Dan Inosanto and learn FMA, they are the knife experts.
I agree with Aaron. Sometimes the best choice is still a bad choice. You might not IDEALLY want to grab a blade, but ideally you’re not in that situation to begin with.
exactly
Fantastic video, as to be expected from you! I’ll also add my two cents about it, if that’s okay. Disarms remind me of what Icy Mike said about Kubatons (hold up, I’m not insane; I have a point)-if you can’t fight, they won’t help you, but if you can fight, you don’t need them. Most viable disarms I’ve seen (which tbh are not a lot) are from EXTREME positions of control-a shin staple when the attacker is belly down (like Aaron showed), a shin staple and hand control for belly up, back control, etc-these are all positions of so much dominance, you have so many better options than a disarm. Like Aaron said-I can knock you out, choke you out, break your arm, get a weapon out, disengage, etc, when you can do nothing. Then why focus on the low percentage move that doesn’t effect your attacker at all? Even if you get the knife out of his hand, he might use that time to escape the position and now you’re even again. Also-while grabbing the dull part of the blade and prying it out can work, a lot of knives don’t let you do that. Reverse edge knives, double edge, push daggers, etc-these all will change the mechanics of the disarm. So to put it simply-could knife disarms work? Yeah. Should you care a lot about them? Probably not. Great video, and I love both you and Jannetti! Excited to see what you’ll do after Craig’s course
Thank you for the kind words, I appreciate it. And yes exactly!! Why do we need a disarm if I can control the arm fully and knock you out? Much better option
First rule of knife disarms: we don’t talk about knife disarms
amazing video, thank you.
One time have to disarm a crazy family member with a knife, no fancy technic just good old wrestling and jiu-jitsu, and i grab on the blade to have a lever to take out from his hand, i didn't even cut my hand because i grabbed with the monkey grip on the spine of the blade, it was scary as hell but thanks God everything went well, a hug from Brazil my friend
More Aaron Janetti!
Couple more coming!
Call me crazy but you guys were starting to go into some solid Aikido territory there with those disarms 😆.
I wish there was more what to do in a neutral state. Because basically everything shown is an example of if u have a 2 on 1 grip or even just wrist control. Frenzied knife attacker is gonna just launch and try to close distance while wildly slashing or stabbing. Like the reality of fighting someone with a knife is to maintain distance or run like he mentions but in a situation where u can’t do that what are your best chances? Like is shooting a dbl leg braindead? Should I just try to change levels and try to get into a scramble where u can get the 2 on 1 etc. just wish there was more advice on what to do when you’re in a neutral stand up state
Have a video dropping discussing this a bit in regards to whether striking or grappling is a better way to create space against someone armed with a knife or edged weapon of some sort that is aggressively trying to harm you. Just need to finish editing it.
In a (very moderate) defense of knife disarms, I will say this...
There are fancy kali/aikido disarms that can work IF they proceed from a moment of surprise. How you generate that surprise is a whole other question -- maybe it comes by feigning submission and then moving suddenly, maybe it comes because the attacker is preoccupied with something else (another person or looking through your wallet), maybe it comes because you've distracted them with something else (verbal or physical feints), maybe they're feeling distracting pain in another part of their body, or maybe their attention has become more occupied with your strikes or wrestling to keep track of blade retention. Its very hard to duplicate this moment of surprise in training (especially for multiple reps) though because obviously the training participants know the subject of their training.
That makes them very hard to train live because simulating surprise is difficult. Its like an eye gouge or throat in striking.
In anycase, as a matter of probabilities, you're better off just learning to be a good card player than trying to master hiding an ace up your sleeve...but that doesn't mean the ace trick doesn't or can't work.
Wouldn’t you want to know it tho ??
The way he describes what kali does is superficial, done wrong and just an extreme way to see the issue
Well so say you would turn your back to someone with a knife is insane. He can run after you and as your back pedaling, his body is moving forward faster then you can back away. Also if you have a knife hand pinned, the attacker can switch hands and pass the blade to the other hand. If you guys want to get good at knife fighting, go to Dan Inosanto and learn FMA, they are the knife experts.
No one switches hands in actual knife fights.
@@Ventus_the_Heathentrue. In knife fights even in punch ups which happen on the streets it is usually direct contact