What a great idea. There are a lot of retro computer users in my area. They are throwing an "Atari Party" in December at the Quakertown Train Station. I just learned about this and hope to attend.
Cool that you’re from Thunder Bay. When I hear about Thunder Bay I think about the World Cup in cross country skiing and Ski jump that where held there in 1995. I remember staying up at night to watch all the events on TV here in Norway
I'd love to start something like this in Ottawa as there's so much computing history here (NABU BABY!) but it's tricky to organize when you're a hardcore introvert who also despises social media. Definitely need to think on this more.
I have the additional problem of having parted ways with the local computer users of the 80s - for reasons (I stayed somewhat nerdy while they shifted their interests to disco dancig and working long hours to have much money to spend, while I avoided work and money as long as possible by not hurrying in getting a university degree), so I am not too keen about meeting them again.
What a nice event. I liked the CAD application and I really like to see more programs running on these machines rather than just playing games. Thanks Robin!
What a cool thing. I have some rare and interesting computers in my collection that I'd love to show off & share, but I don't think anyone I know would be interested. I did look into local computer clubs, but they all seemed a bit like a cliques that didn't have that friendly, open atmosphere. Your club seems great - I hope you'll feature it in more videos!
Small city of 100,000 lol😅 my town is around five thousand. Though, to be fair, the entire population of Maine is like a million or so. Anyway, this is amazing and I’m glad you shared.
What a great video! I'm really happy to see what you guys are doing in my old hometown. Back in the 1980s my older brother had a VIC-20, and Atari and an Amiga. It was nice to see those systems up and running again with games I remember playing on them.
Yup. Sadly not too many folk in our area looked after their old devices. Any of you girls looking for the ideal Father's day gift,get the kids chatting to their dad on the subject,then track down HIS favourite console(or emulator)and his favourite game...so he can share his pastime with the kids. For me,its a vic20....I have 2 that I am trying to get epaired butwith no luck...I currently use a c64. Technically a better computer but I preferred the vic20 for their simplicity. I still write my own games in commodore basic whenever I need to remind myself that I have a brain.
I'd love to attend some VCF events, but living on another continent makes it a bit complicated 😁 But it will happen. A great initiative, Robin! Not only creating a local event but sharing your experiences from it. 👍
Amazing!! Great job to you and your retro friends. I am thinking of doing the same here in Wasaga Beach, Ontario. Still in the planning stages. Once going, I'm hoping you and your retro friends would consider coming. Thanks for sharing!
An amazing recap on the event, super cool footage! Love this channel ❤🔥 Had a chuckle on the pronunciation of "Dalek" It was a toe-mato, toe-marto moment 😆
I drove north once, past Chapleau and beyond. I drove and drove some more... I then drove a bit more. I finally saw a sign that told me Thunder Bay was still an hour away... I never made it. Too far man. Maybe I'll see you at WoC December.
Brings back memories of the late 80s computer club I was a co-founder it was a hassle the police was always coming in, they didn’t care about cracking and copying. Since laws weren’t in place. But they would be doing searches because my two friends and I were very much known to the cops. I mean they knew us by our whole names 😂 And I was on my last warning and so I was on the up and up, no substances on me no knifes, no fireworks completely clean. Because I needed my record to be expunged when I was 18! Since us 3 were rather notorious “punks” in town, and when the registration for a permit for the club came in the councils was okay but it also had to be signed of by fire department and cops and there wetey no issues, they had to grant the permit. So every first Friday of the month we got a visit from the cops. Pockets were checked from the metal heads and stoners because we got to use the rec center and that’s public grounds so on suspicion they can stop and search. So they stopped and searched. Regularly kids were dragged of for carrying a bit of weed. Which was a nice loophole because it’s sort of legal to sell here in the Netherlands and it was legal to smoke in your own home officially. But it’s illegal to transport. It’s basically a fly trap. And so the manager of the rec center got in trouble and as a result we got in told off, but we weren’t allowed to search members - besides it would be hypocritical. All we did was just urged everyone to keep it in their car or hide it in their bikes. So again they came and searched us, they couldn’t find anything. So to annoy us they would check for stolen goods because my buddy had a record for fencing stolen goods… and so every serial number was radioed to the police station and checked… took the whole evening. So after 6 months I quit. I was too busy with gigging anyways. The other friend was our sound engineer. And the other one ran it for a bit but I think it was dead within a year. Biggest win was that I got some great addresses for some weed, hash and pharmaceuticals from members. And those guys would deliver to the door for a little extra - and since that was in my premise it was legal 😂And so I was never caught again my record for expunged for into college. All good 😊
Great vid! Missed opportunity to have the autism table between the library table and the drag table, as there is kind of an overlap/spectrum between autism and both of the others :)
Small towns might have branches of regional colleges. Retro groups might be welcome as a way to encourage enrollment. (I once lived in a northern Canadian town I shall not name, population under 3000, and the branch of the college hosted public events.) Public schools, especially elementary schools, might have space they make available.
Great idea. I did not see a TI99/4a computer. Was one not available? The TI was the first computer I had and even to this day I am still writing new programs for. I had thought about doing this myself but at my age I could not run such a Club. Very inspiring by you.
Unfortunately we don't have a TI "champion" in our group currently. I should have brought one but I already had a lot just bringing the extra Apple stuff on top of the Commodore stuff I originally planned. But you're right, that's a major omission from our display.
Wouldn't it be sweet to recreate a Compucentre store from the 80s as a theme for an event like this. (since Radio Shack may be trickier for legal reasons)
14:19 The story of the Motorola company is pretty interesting, but I've never seen anything about the development of the game-changing 68000 processor, in particular, which was so pivotal to 16-bit home computing in the '80s.
Thank you so much for the video, it was fun tripping Memory Lane. Some of my Fondest Memories were attending my local Commodore 64 users group in panama, Central America🎉😊
Thanks for this video and I have Idea for keeping in touch with your club…Zoom or equivalent to meet. I belong to a Canadian club “CIDX” for radio related subjects. I live in Tucson, Arizona and meet over Zoom once a month plus there is an excellent magazine to download once a month. They also meet once a year in Pennsylvania although I have had health issues and can’t make it. Since there is allot more retro computers users maybe you can do both types of meetings, people in rural areas would probably use the zoom. Have a great day!
14:14 Robin can you put me in touch with Mike? His Amiga 1000 specs are wrong and based on the epic fail of Commodore's marketing team. The NTSC Amiga 1000 could do 768x486 (possibly 488). The color info is totally wrong as well. He leaves out EHB mode (64 colors) and HAM mode (4096 colors) both of which are hardware based (no copper slices) and work at up to 384x486 NTSC.
Great con setup! How do day to day meetings run? Are they pretty informal where people just chat? Or do you have a schedule of talks that people can sign up to? I go to a few Meetups - and people were always very keen to talk about their latest projects - sometimes too keen. Going around the room at the start of the meeting so that everyone gets a chance to say who they are and give a brief introduction to what they are doing seems to work really well. I would be interested in how you actually run a night.
Ours are very informal; we just display whatever we brought and people wander around and talk to each other and check out whatever is there this month. It's very rare that we have a scheduled talk or anything like that. Going around the room for brief introductions is probably a good idea but we don't even do that :)
Really awesome. The board game cafe is a great idea for a venue. I used to go to a local computer club near Walsall in the UK every Wednesday around the time of the ST and Amiga, evolving into a pc club around the time the 486 pc dominated. You just don't see clubs like this any longer. We do have plenty of big events such as retro revival, zzap64 and one at the infamous Nordbrek Hotel in Blackpool, so can't complain really. They can be quite intimidating and a bit impersonal. A local retro community event held monthly could help create a more relaxed environment.
I'm part of a couple of retro group here in the Kitchener/Waterloo area. TPUG being my first, and then (we kinda over took) Mine Flare Retro on Discord through the Computer Heritage Club. If I had the time, and cash, I'd go for a visit to Thunder Bay just for a one-time visit just for fun.
I’m living in Brampton so we have TPUG. But in a little over a year my wife and I plan to relocate to Silver City, New Mexico (pop. 45000). I could totally imagine trying to put something like this together. This vid is really inspiring.
9:52 Aaaand this is why I don't go to clubs or conventions anymore. It's next to impossible to avoid a budding UA-camr or Instagrammers posting pictures of you to be stolen by AI and megacorps. I was really appreciative of your video of your own club where you didn't show any faces, but then.... I'm sure someone will pipe up about how you have no right to privacy when in public.... I'll head you off at the pass by saying that those regulations were written when you either needed a newspaper or a TV network to violate someone's privacy. I have no intention of allowing my likeness to contribute to Larry Page's or Zuckerberg's wealth.
I am just gonna say. I think the whole nabu thing is a retro computer scam. Also believe they are toxic and nobody should have them in their homes. I find the whole thing disgusting. Just my opinion. 🤷♂️
@@8_Bit First off they have to be hacked to do anything and most people won't have success with that even following some tutorial. Second they are sold and presented in a way that causes people to buy from fear of missing out, I don't like that out here. I question the plastic they are made out of but we all know for sure that metal has a (I think it's called) hexavalent chromium finish on it, known to be a carcinogenic when it flakes off with age. The led content prob won't amount to much at a distance but if you spend a lot of time handling it while modifying it, it might cause ya some led poisoning. So the whole thing just seems a silly risk to me. I can appreciate the significance of the unit in a collection but people should really understand the time in which these things were built, we just didn't realize all this but now we should. I do think it's more toxic that other 80's systems, mainly due to the interaction you have to have with it not being it's intended use.
@@pikadroo I wasn't aware of hexavalent chromium plating used on it, I'll look into that. However, there's no hacking of the NABU required to get it useable, as DJ Sures created a simple adapter cable that uses a 5-pin DIN connected to an RS422 USB adapter plugged into a modern computer. The cable just plugs into the NABU as the original network adapter did, and provides equivalent functionality. As for fear of missing out, I just find it amazing that this piece of computer history that was developed right here in my province, that my former boss (DJ's father) actually helped develop, that was all but forgotten shows up essentially new in box for just $120 or whatever the first several hundred were sold for. The price was more than fair, in my opinion, and it simply is a very unusual set of circumstances that allowed all this to come together. I don't find it any different than any other chance at acquiring rare technology, except instead of only one showing up at a time and the price being driven into the thousands of dollars (random example, a Commodore 65 or Apple Lisa or whatever) there were hundreds available for a fixed price no higher than common computers like a Commodore 64 or whatever.
I had to laugh out loud when you mentioned the Timex Sinclair 1000 keyboard. “Even worse than usual.” So funny.
"Thunder Bay Retro Computer Club, Minneapolis chapter" does have a nice ring to it, though.
What a great idea. There are a lot of retro computer users in my area. They are throwing an "Atari Party" in December at the Quakertown Train Station. I just learned about this and hope to attend.
Cool that you’re from Thunder Bay. When I hear about Thunder Bay I think about the World Cup in cross country skiing and Ski jump that where held there in 1995. I remember staying up at night to watch all the events on TV here in Norway
I'd love to start something like this in Ottawa as there's so much computing history here (NABU BABY!) but it's tricky to organize when you're a hardcore introvert who also despises social media. Definitely need to think on this more.
Amen to that!
I have the additional problem of having parted ways with the local computer users of the 80s - for reasons (I stayed somewhat nerdy while they shifted their interests to disco dancig and working long hours to have much money to spend, while I avoided work and money as long as possible by not hurrying in getting a university degree), so I am not too keen about meeting them again.
Hey now, Thunder Bay is famous! That's where Paul Shaffer is from.
There is so much love and warmth in this video that really make me smile. Thank you for making and publishing this.
What a nice event.
I liked the CAD application and I really like to see more programs running on these machines rather than just playing games.
Thanks Robin!
Awesome! Winderful exhibit you folks had there. Love the dalik.
I was very recently asked about starting a retro computer/game thing in my community. This has certainly inspired me. Thank you.
What a cool thing. I have some rare and interesting computers in my collection that I'd love to show off & share, but I don't think anyone I know would be interested. I did look into local computer clubs, but they all seemed a bit like a cliques that didn't have that friendly, open atmosphere. Your club seems great - I hope you'll feature it in more videos!
Epic! Thank you for making this and posting for all us to enjoy it even if remotely :)
Best regards from Poland. We also have various retro events here.
Small city of 100,000 lol😅 my town is around five thousand. Though, to be fair, the entire population of Maine is like a million or so. Anyway, this is amazing and I’m glad you shared.
Canadians are used to clustering South in giant mega cities thus 100K is supposedly a "small" city. That is decent sized by US standards.
What a great video! I'm really happy to see what you guys are doing in my old hometown. Back in the 1980s my older brother had a VIC-20, and Atari and an Amiga. It was nice to see those systems up and running again with games I remember playing on them.
Yup.
Sadly not too many folk in our area looked after their old devices.
Any of you girls looking for the ideal Father's day gift,get the kids chatting to their dad on the subject,then track down HIS favourite console(or emulator)and his favourite game...so he can share his pastime with the kids.
For me,its a vic20....I have 2 that I am trying to get epaired butwith no luck...I currently use a c64.
Technically a better computer but I preferred the vic20 for their simplicity.
I still write my own games in commodore basic whenever I need to remind myself that I have a brain.
I'd love to attend some VCF events, but living on another continent makes it a bit complicated 😁 But it will happen.
A great initiative, Robin! Not only creating a local event but sharing your experiences from it. 👍
Amazing!! Great job to you and your retro friends. I am thinking of doing the same here in Wasaga Beach, Ontario. Still in the planning stages. Once going, I'm hoping you and your retro friends would consider coming. Thanks for sharing!
VERY cool club! I loved this video! Wish I wasn't > 2000 km away! HA! I bought my first Commodore 128 at K-Mart back in 1985!
Excellent video. Looking forward to joining my local club in a couple of weeks.
Hello from Toronto. I probably will not be making the 15 hour drive.
Nice meeting!!! I Hope for more of this, the spirit of the micro computers is alive!!!
I had a Vic-20, Commodore 64 and a Ti99-4A and ended up getting rid of them. Wish I had kept them.
Big kudos to you and yours for building a fun, healthy community like that. May you always get more energy back than you pour in.
OMG! I remember Dungeon for the PET from high school! I haven't seen or heard of that in a very long time. 😀
An amazing recap on the event, super cool footage! Love this channel ❤🔥 Had a chuckle on the pronunciation of "Dalek" It was a toe-mato, toe-marto moment 😆
Great video! Thanks!
I was brokenhearted when development of CYCAS stopped. They had a Linux port and I hoped it would continue for many years. Alas, it did not.
I drove north once, past Chapleau and beyond. I drove and drove some more... I then drove a bit more. I finally saw a sign that told me Thunder Bay was still an hour away... I never made it. Too far man. Maybe I'll see you at WoC December.
Brings back memories of the late 80s computer club I was a co-founder it was a hassle the police was always coming in, they didn’t care about cracking and copying. Since laws weren’t in place.
But they would be doing searches because my two friends and I were very much known to the cops. I mean they knew us by our whole names 😂
And I was on my last warning and so I was on the up and up, no substances on me no knifes, no fireworks completely clean. Because I needed my record to be expunged when I was 18!
Since us 3 were rather notorious “punks” in town, and when the registration for a permit for the club came in the councils was okay but it also had to be signed of by fire department and cops and there wetey no issues, they had to grant the permit.
So every first Friday of the month we got a visit from the cops. Pockets were checked from the metal heads and stoners because we got to use the rec center and that’s public grounds so on suspicion they can stop and search. So they stopped and searched. Regularly kids were dragged of for carrying a bit of weed. Which was a nice loophole because it’s sort of legal to sell here in the Netherlands and it was legal to smoke in your own home officially. But it’s illegal to transport. It’s basically a fly trap.
And so the manager of the rec center got in trouble and as a result we got in told off, but we weren’t allowed to search members - besides it would be hypocritical.
All we did was just urged everyone to keep it in their car or hide it in their bikes. So again they came and searched us, they couldn’t find anything. So to annoy us they would check for stolen goods because my buddy had a record for fencing stolen goods… and so every serial number was radioed to the police station and checked… took the whole evening.
So after 6 months I quit. I was too busy with gigging anyways. The other friend was our sound engineer.
And the other one ran it for a bit but I think it was dead within a year. Biggest win was that I got some great addresses for some weed, hash and pharmaceuticals from members. And those guys would deliver to the door for a little extra - and since that was in my premise it was legal 😂And so I was never caught again my record for expunged for into college. All good 😊
Well done on creating a thriving local computer club. I love the idea of doing it myself but I genuinely don't have the free time currently. 😢
i've never quite made it all the way to thunder bay. furthest west i've ventured is sault ste marie. (i am in Ottawa)
a computer club is a great idea!
Love the Rally X-like game.
Great vid!
Missed opportunity to have the autism table between the library table and the drag table, as there is kind of an overlap/spectrum between autism and both of the others :)
It surprises me how I am a teenager and very interested in this. If I lived in Canada, I'd wish I could attend.
Fun video!
Small towns might have branches of regional colleges. Retro groups might be welcome as a way to encourage enrollment. (I once lived in a northern Canadian town I shall not name, population under 3000, and the branch of the college hosted public events.) Public schools, especially elementary schools, might have space they make available.
Spending time with like minded enthususasts, celebrating retro devices, is a noble thing.
Great idea. I did not see a TI99/4a computer. Was one not available? The TI was the first computer I had and even to this day I am still writing new programs for. I had thought about doing this myself but at my age I could not run such a Club. Very inspiring by you.
Unfortunately we don't have a TI "champion" in our group currently. I should have brought one but I already had a lot just bringing the extra Apple stuff on top of the Commodore stuff I originally planned. But you're right, that's a major omission from our display.
Wouldn't it be sweet to recreate a Compucentre store from the 80s as a theme for an event like this.
(since Radio Shack may be trickier for legal reasons)
14:19 The story of the Motorola company is pretty interesting, but I've never seen anything about the development of the game-changing 68000 processor, in particular, which was so pivotal to 16-bit home computing in the '80s.
This is the most I've found about 68000 development, there is some interesting stories.
m.ua-cam.com/video/UaHtGf4aRLs/v-deo.html
BlueSCSI is a great idea for your Mac. They usually have a big booth at VCFMW if you don't find it before then.
Further BlueSCSI recommendations from a Penguin! :) I sense a pattern...
@@8_Bit Whaaa-whaa-haaa
The drive stopped spinning on my SE/30, so after tapping it to get it spinning again it was transferred to a BlueSCSI. Much better. And quiet.
When you said you bring "power bars," I thought you were talking about a snack. :)
In my town the computers would be stolen and the local library is reduced to just twice weekly opening, due to financial cuts.
Your pronunciation or Dalek was something special. Maybe Dr Who never made it to Canada or perhaps it was dubbed.
It's the pronunciation from that lost Scottish episode where the Daleks wore kilts instead of those skirts with silver spheres.
And here i thought u were only located 5-6 hours North of me. Apparently, all this time i thought Thunder Bay was in a different area.
Many people are surprised when I explain I live north of Minnesota and Wisconsin, as they expect I'm north of New York or thereabouts.
If there was more interest locally, I would start one of my own here
A population of 110K is nothing to sneeze at. The city I grew up in has a population of 136K.
The city I grew up in was 35k when I was a kid. Where I live now is only about 5k lol
Thank you so much for the video, it was fun tripping Memory Lane. Some of my Fondest Memories were attending my local Commodore 64 users group in panama, Central America🎉😊
At 16:51, what is that, a Klingon Pirate? Also, it's funny to see the Dalek using a toilet plunger.
Thanks for this video and I have Idea for keeping in touch with your club…Zoom or equivalent to meet. I belong to a Canadian club “CIDX” for radio related subjects. I live in Tucson, Arizona and meet over Zoom once a month plus there is an excellent magazine to download once a month. They also meet once a year in Pennsylvania although I have had health issues and can’t make it.
Since there is allot more retro computers users maybe you can do both types of meetings, people in rural areas would probably use the zoom.
Have a great day!
14:14 Robin can you put me in touch with Mike? His Amiga 1000 specs are wrong and based on the epic fail of Commodore's marketing team. The NTSC Amiga 1000 could do 768x486 (possibly 488). The color info is totally wrong as well. He leaves out EHB mode (64 colors) and HAM mode (4096 colors) both of which are hardware based (no copper slices) and work at up to 384x486 NTSC.
Great con setup! How do day to day meetings run? Are they pretty informal where people just chat? Or do you have a schedule of talks that people can sign up to? I go to a few Meetups - and people were always very keen to talk about their latest projects - sometimes too keen. Going around the room at the start of the meeting so that everyone gets a chance to say who they are and give a brief introduction to what they are doing seems to work really well. I would be interested in how you actually run a night.
Ours are very informal; we just display whatever we brought and people wander around and talk to each other and check out whatever is there this month. It's very rare that we have a scheduled talk or anything like that. Going around the room for brief introductions is probably a good idea but we don't even do that :)
9:59 Too bad the "Imperial March" is copyrighted.
I suspect many of us still heard the Imperial March in our mind's ear!
Pie Island!
What is the game running on the videobrain at 0:24?
In the c64 at 0:48, what is the black device between the power supply and the system? Is it a power conditioner of some kind?
That's a "C64 Saver" or "Power Saver" that monitors the 5V line from the power supply and cuts power if it detects over-voltage.
Really awesome. The board game cafe is a great idea for a venue. I used to go to a local computer club near Walsall in the UK every Wednesday around the time of the ST and Amiga, evolving into a pc club around the time the 486 pc dominated. You just don't see clubs like this any longer.
We do have plenty of big events such as retro revival, zzap64 and one at the infamous Nordbrek Hotel in Blackpool, so can't complain really. They can be quite intimidating and a bit impersonal. A local retro community event held monthly could help create a more relaxed environment.
I just looked up the Nordbrek Hotel, what a choice for venue! :) I guess the price is right.
Im from Cambridge ON, and I have a couple vintage 800's that could use a professional touch.?
Awesome! Lucky to have TPUG here but super glad to hear the Bay has a club now too!
Boba Fett lookin' a bit thic!
Boba Fatt
I'm part of a couple of retro group here in the Kitchener/Waterloo area. TPUG being my first, and then (we kinda over took) Mine Flare Retro on Discord through the Computer Heritage Club. If I had the time, and cash, I'd go for a visit to Thunder Bay just for a one-time visit just for fun.
I love having TPUG here in Toronto, but not something small like this near me that I know of.
The human malware thing LOL
Credit to Adrian's Digital Basement for that phrase :)
I’m living in Brampton so we have TPUG. But in a little over a year my wife and I plan to relocate to Silver City, New Mexico (pop. 45000). I could totally imagine trying to put something like this together. This vid is really inspiring.
6:56 Autism Northwest 12 .Lol
What's funny about that?
"Power strips"? Weird.
No-one in silicon valley does that anymore. It's just about getting rich & getting out.
There are still a few of us around. 😊
16:12 Oh, no, the female Ghostbusters!
9:52 Aaaand this is why I don't go to clubs or conventions anymore. It's next to impossible to avoid a budding UA-camr or Instagrammers posting pictures of you to be stolen by AI and megacorps. I was really appreciative of your video of your own club where you didn't show any faces, but then....
I'm sure someone will pipe up about how you have no right to privacy when in public.... I'll head you off at the pass by saying that those regulations were written when you either needed a newspaper or a TV network to violate someone's privacy. I have no intention of allowing my likeness to contribute to Larry Page's or Zuckerberg's wealth.
I am just gonna say. I think the whole nabu thing is a retro computer scam. Also believe they are toxic and nobody should have them in their homes. I find the whole thing disgusting. Just my opinion. 🤷♂️
How did you arrive at this opinion? What is the scam? Why do you think they're toxic, or specifically, more toxic than other computers from the 1980s?
@@8_Bit First off they have to be hacked to do anything and most people won't have success with that even following some tutorial. Second they are sold and presented in a way that causes people to buy from fear of missing out, I don't like that out here. I question the plastic they are made out of but we all know for sure that metal has a (I think it's called) hexavalent chromium finish on it, known to be a carcinogenic when it flakes off with age. The led content prob won't amount to much at a distance but if you spend a lot of time handling it while modifying it, it might cause ya some led poisoning. So the whole thing just seems a silly risk to me. I can appreciate the significance of the unit in a collection but people should really understand the time in which these things were built, we just didn't realize all this but now we should. I do think it's more toxic that other 80's systems, mainly due to the interaction you have to have with it not being it's intended use.
What? What a weird comment. I can’t understand your viewpoint at all, sorry.
@@pikadroo I wasn't aware of hexavalent chromium plating used on it, I'll look into that. However, there's no hacking of the NABU required to get it useable, as DJ Sures created a simple adapter cable that uses a 5-pin DIN connected to an RS422 USB adapter plugged into a modern computer. The cable just plugs into the NABU as the original network adapter did, and provides equivalent functionality. As for fear of missing out, I just find it amazing that this piece of computer history that was developed right here in my province, that my former boss (DJ's father) actually helped develop, that was all but forgotten shows up essentially new in box for just $120 or whatever the first several hundred were sold for. The price was more than fair, in my opinion, and it simply is a very unusual set of circumstances that allowed all this to come together. I don't find it any different than any other chance at acquiring rare technology, except instead of only one showing up at a time and the price being driven into the thousands of dollars (random example, a Commodore 65 or Apple Lisa or whatever) there were hundreds available for a fixed price no higher than common computers like a Commodore 64 or whatever.
@@DerekLippoldno doubt you bought 4 of them right?