Synology REQUIRED HARD DRIVES - Everything you need to know

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  • Опубліковано 7 сер 2024
  • This video goes over everything you need to know to tell if you Synology requires any hard drives, or just synology branded drives. This also goes over what the experience is, especially in regard to the new DSM 7.1 update.
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  • @coolcat23
    @coolcat23 2 роки тому +51

    You shouldn't go "back and forth" on how you feel about Synology forcing hardware choices on users. All they would have to do to protect their users is to display a big warning during installation but then accept the hardware and operate as normal. Keeping a list of recommended (tested) drives would be sufficient. Issues due to incompatible firmwares should be extremely rare and Synology cannot even guarantee fault-free operation even for their Synology-branded drives. If there were a foolproof method to avoid firmware bugs, everyone would use it! Make no mistake, this is about making money, not about keeping users safe, as the latter could easily be achieved without enforcing certain hardware. Synology's past practice of flagging volumes as "critical" was unacceptable and the current "warning" approach is not much better.

    • @michaelrobinson9643
      @michaelrobinson9643 Рік тому +2

      I think the difference is they recognise that they should not allienate the Home User or Small/Home Office Market with this constraint, and are now (more lightly) applying pressure to have larger (probably managed) Enterprise installs use their drives. Increased vertical integration and increased ongoing cashflow on hardware which is often a once in a few years purchase.

    • @coolcat23
      @coolcat23 Рік тому +6

      @@michaelrobinson9643 It alienates me as a home user if a company uses questionable business practices regardless at what level it does it. It is not unlikely that if Synology sees this working at the Enterprise level that the next lower tier will be next to receive the same treatment, and so on.

    • @BoraHorzaGobuchul
      @BoraHorzaGobuchul 6 місяців тому +1

      This sleazy approach is introduced by synology at the worst time. Competitors are becoming more numerous, and are turning towards the consumer by introducing high-speed net and usb ports, flash storage units, allow installing custom OSes without giving up warranty. Synology is attempting vendor-lock, profiteering from it massively (I mean, just look at their high-speed network card and memory prices), actively hindering use of third-party USB network adapters (which is probably one of the two reasons why they're not including fast USB ports on their systems, the other being "it's cheaper and they'll still buy it, cause we rock").

  • @marcel_max
    @marcel_max 7 місяців тому +2

    exposing all of this is a good thing, thanks. This video was posted one year ago. I just bought a DS423+ and had no warnings about the 4 drives i put in it that are not in the compatibility list. I started running it with DSM7.2 so I guess more changes happened.

  • @mrmotomoto
    @mrmotomoto 2 роки тому +11

    Think they’re taking a cue from the large enterprise players such as Dell. Only difference is when you pay an absurd amount for drives from dell, they come with a support contract. When the drive fails you will have someone at your doorstep with a new drive in X hours to replace it. Synology does not have this
    Edit to add:
    Wonder if their intel-based 6 bay, the XS model fits your description. I really hope so but I feel it will also require their drives at some point

  • @noeldillabough
    @noeldillabough Рік тому +16

    I'm fine with recommended drives with some additional features, but not validating external drives even a few main brands means i am not even considering Synology

    • @MrCREWCRUSHIN95
      @MrCREWCRUSHIN95 Рік тому +1

      Don't forget, the synology drives are #3 rated Toshibas at TWICE the price of #1 & #2 rated WD and Seagate.
      Twice the price for third rate, and no benefit.

  • @bizkurt99
    @bizkurt99 Рік тому +4

    08:53
    DATAHOARDERS: "AM I A JOKE TO YOU?"

  • @KaceyGreen
    @KaceyGreen 2 роки тому +1

    I had a series of IronWolf where the swapped the versions of firmware to a non-tested version so some drives are working and others same model don't offer the IronWolf tests. I'm running Exos in the main unit. But with the firmware its not like they were updating other firmwares anyway

  • @firstlast-vh8gz
    @firstlast-vh8gz 2 роки тому

    Thanks for clarifying this for us.

  • @doctorkj5640
    @doctorkj5640 Рік тому +1

    So to be clear... If I get 1522+ or 923+ and put Ironwolf 8TB which IS on the compatibility list, I would not get orange warning and everything will be green?

  • @Joeyhelmond0492
    @Joeyhelmond0492 2 роки тому +6

    If Synology hard drives weren’t so expensive I wouldn’t have a problem with this but Synology branded hard drives are double the price for the same capacity WD Red or Seagate IronWolf drives

    • @SpaceRexWill
      @SpaceRexWill  2 роки тому +3

      Yeah, when they first came out they were only ~$50 more than the equivalent ironwolf pro. They were no big deal then! But since then the ironwolf price has dropped by almost 50% and the synology hasn’t moved!

  • @Miphen0707
    @Miphen0707 2 роки тому +2

    Thanks for the update.
    Question:
    Does Synology prefer the use of Synology (Toshiba) HDD in the 8 Bays or less units even though other approved brands are recommended?

    • @SpaceRexWill
      @SpaceRexWill  2 роки тому

      My recommendation is for people who have the option between synology and another brand, and they are the same price then go for the Synology. They will just work, and you don’t run into an issue if you have to go to support

    • @Miphen0707
      @Miphen0707 2 роки тому

      @@SpaceRexWill thank you for your advice.

  • @DBR00
    @DBR00 2 роки тому

    As I always say it, you have the best beard! Haha Love it Mr. Space Rex! :)

  • @coldcanuck6091
    @coldcanuck6091 Рік тому +3

    I'm beginning to second guess the ordering of a four port Synology NAS/DAS

    • @BoraHorzaGobuchul
      @BoraHorzaGobuchul 6 місяців тому

      They don't do DASes, though, iirc
      Otherwise agree

  • @lukahranjec674
    @lukahranjec674 Рік тому

    Hello everyone!🙃
    I want to order DS1821+ and 4 exos x18 18tb drives (ST18000NM000J) and on my suprise they are not on compatibility list...
    Will that work?
    Will I have red, orange or green warning?
    Thank you for every answer. ❤

  • @stco2426
    @stco2426 2 роки тому +2

    Thanks. A couple of small questions, please? Does the 8-bay rule for using Synology’s drives relate to using say a 5-bay Expansion Unit, such as the DX517 linked to a regular 4-bay main, such as 918+, or are these intended to operate with separate storage pools? I’m thinking of getting an expansion unit to add storage but am unsure how the storage pool operates with that example. Or is the bay-rule limited to 'big' units? Secondly, is the Synology drive a solution to the SMR / CMR drive problem that surfaces a few years ago? Love the vids!

    • @SpaceRexWill
      @SpaceRexWill  2 роки тому +3

      The bays are only internal ones. Meaning an 1821+ with both expansions can use any drives still

    • @stco2426
      @stco2426 2 роки тому

      @@SpaceRexWill Thanks!

    • @BoraHorzaGobuchul
      @BoraHorzaGobuchul 6 місяців тому

      The way they price their expansion units, for a home user it's perhaps worth considering getting a second nas instead. Then you can either separate data between the two NASes or relegate the first to backup the second

  • @Davidvan1979
    @Davidvan1979 Рік тому +1

    Any idea whether the expected DS1823+ will support WD & Seagate drives? I have a DS1817+ and am looking to upgrade soon.

    • @SpaceRexWill
      @SpaceRexWill  Рік тому

      They will. Possibly not officially on the comparability list, at least not at first. But 8 bay NAS and below will only give a single warning, then work perfectly

  • @rebelrogue42
    @rebelrogue42 Рік тому +1

    I just started looking at a new NAS after many years using Synology and found out about the whole Synology hard drive mess. I wouldn’t have even considered looking for a different brand NAS had it not been for this, but aside from building my own there really aren’t that many good choices. Qnap and Asustor were two I might consider buying but they’ve both been hit with ransomeware more than once in 2022 (at least Qnap has) so what does that leave around the same price point?

    • @SpaceRexWill
      @SpaceRexWill  Рік тому +1

      Honestly the other option is going to be trueNAS as they dont have a web portal so really dont get public facing ransomware. Luckily synology has backed off on the drive requirements to now just being anoying

  • @RelaxingSoundstreams
    @RelaxingSoundstreams 6 місяців тому

    Anyone out there running a DS 2422+ (12 bay) with Exos drives in it, that can tell me if DSM 7.1 or higher is showing yellow drive warnings?

  • @gonefilming2020
    @gonefilming2020 6 місяців тому

    I took delivery of a DS923+ yesterday to replace my dated DS413. The change was prompted primarily by the added features of DSM7.x. I also intend to use the existing 3TB WD Red drives currently in the DS413, as they are only 3 years old. I use the NAS in a private environment.
    As a 923+ could potentially be a 9-bay unit, I am uncertain, whether this upgrade will actually work as planned. I certainly would not put up with the new "certified-drives-only" policy and return the new diskstation immediately. My system is currently backing up to try the switch tomorrow. This outta be interesting...

  • @FreestylerAlbert
    @FreestylerAlbert 2 роки тому

    what is you have extensios bays? like DS1621+ and a 5 bay extension for example.

    • @SpaceRexWill
      @SpaceRexWill  2 роки тому

      It’s just 9+ drives in the head unit.

  • @Net7GiantMeteor2024
    @Net7GiantMeteor2024 Рік тому +4

    No excuse for lock-in, they make the software, they can fix drive compatibility issues if a drive has a firmware change. Not showing SMART info is criminal.

  • @Zerogenome
    @Zerogenome 2 роки тому +1

    If they make it hard, I will switch to other brand. Since both are painful anyway. Maybe I should start learning about TrueNAS just in case.

  • @20centurymodern
    @20centurymodern 7 місяців тому

    Do all the DS (non enterprise) models only bring up a warning once and operate as normal without any warnings?

    • @SpaceRexWill
      @SpaceRexWill  7 місяців тому +1

      Except for the ones with 12 or more bays OR xs units

    • @20centurymodern
      @20centurymodern 7 місяців тому

      @@SpaceRexWill thank you so much for your reply! Just one more thing, the warnings seem permanent on the xs models. DS models such as the 1522+ will only show an initial message on setup only?

  • @lensherm
    @lensherm 2 роки тому +1

    I think you need to make a t-shirt with the words "And so..." on it 🙂

  • @Gibbbrayden
    @Gibbbrayden Рік тому +2

    Still even if it doesn't affect us.. no one wants to support a company that does this. This a huge change for such a small problem.

  • @welgonzales4
    @welgonzales4 2 роки тому

    "Compatible drive type" indicates drives that have been tested to be compatible with Synology products. This term does not indicate the maximum connection speed of each drive bay." This is the note showing on the Synology site specifically for the RS422+. This is a major issue to me before when I am still deciding for an upgrade from my old DS218+. I have recently watched your videos on hard drive and I have already decided to go with EXOS. However, when checking on the compatibility of the RS422+, EXOS were not listed. Not even Ironwolf Pro. Ending, I went to the compatible listed drive (Ironwolf) just to make sure I don't encounter any notification about my drive as it will be a critical storage for me for family files.

    • @G.Menounos
      @G.Menounos Рік тому +3

      Synology is dead for me. This is only for making money. The Synology drives is soooo more expensive. In Greece is double or triple price!!! Thanks Synology for all this years. Time to say goodbye

  • @michaelrobinson9643
    @michaelrobinson9643 Рік тому

    @SpaceRex ... OT post and I don't know how to contact you with subscriber requests of your channel :D
    I wanted to ask you if you have done or could do a Video on using a Synology NAS as a personal Cloud? Including in such:
    1. NAS configuration and ROuter config to have access via:
    a. Synology Connect,
    b. DDNS (or whatever is needed) to connect externally via WAN without using Synology account.
    2. PC, Mac, Ph setup to sync files/photos and such, and just access remotely via webpage.
    3. Security considerations to manage with open path through WAN and exposure of NAS.
    I think this would be super useful as many of us at home could use it to replace a subscription based product like dropbox, Google drive or OneDrive (which has such a crap user interface).

  • @tommeirmans
    @tommeirmans 2 роки тому +7

    It suck and they should stop doing it. It is making me doubt my next upgrade will be a synology (for the first time since 2014)

    • @G.Menounos
      @G.Menounos Рік тому

      Time to say goodbye to Synology my friend. This is so wrong... Tottaly Unacceptable

  • @norman-king
    @norman-king 2 роки тому +2

    Requiring own brand hdd’s in enterprise storage solutions is normal practice and providing Synology don’t enforce it on their home/soho equipment I’m ok with it.

  • @pgotze
    @pgotze Рік тому +1

    I like idea of Synology HDDs, the only issue is price. After negative experiences with main brands Seagate, WD, the HDDs market is a bit oligopolic. If i would be able to buy Synology HDDs and SSds for fair price, then i would not even think about any other brand for my Synology NAS.

    • @SpaceRexWill
      @SpaceRexWill  Рік тому +1

      Yeah, they just did not come down in price with all the other drives! They used to be like $50 more, which was fine. But now, they are almost 2x the price!

  • @rdstudios-production
    @rdstudios-production 2 роки тому

    Hey there. I’ve taken your advice on a lot the setup processes for my synology diskstation DS1520+ DSM7.0
    I’ve used some mismatched drives and everything seems to be working okay. Here’s my problem: I had 2x12tb, and a 8tb as my third. Btrfs, SHR No problems.
    Then I added 2x16tb to the pool. Took 3 or 4 days to initialize the new drives - no problems.
    Since I’m only at 19% capacity, I though pulling that old 8tb would be cool.
    Everything works but now I get nagged that my whole volume is “degraded” and I have “1 insufficient number of drives” since I pulled the 8tb.
    I thought it would just re-index and be fine but it’s still nagging me.
    Can I just ignore or do I face potential loss?
    Thanks man!

    • @SpaceRexWill
      @SpaceRexWill  2 роки тому +2

      Right now you have no data protection. If you loose 1 drive all of your data will be gone

    • @rdstudios-production
      @rdstudios-production 2 роки тому

      @@SpaceRexWill ugh. I reinserted the other drive and I still have “degraded”status. I guess I just have an expensive JBOD. 🥲

    • @SpaceRexWill
      @SpaceRexWill  2 роки тому +1

      You now need to hit “repair” on the storage pool

    • @rdstudios-production
      @rdstudios-production 2 роки тому

      @@SpaceRexWill yeah that didn’t work either. Thx

    • @DBR00
      @DBR00 2 роки тому +1

      I had a similar issue. I had a drive fail on bay 1. While on the phone troubleshooting with Synology tech support, I was specifically told not to move a drive from a different bay such as #2 into bay 1. I hung up the phone and did it anyway. Doing that degraded the volume on that drive. I had to do a complete rebuild of my volumes when the replacement drive was delivered. Be careful !

  • @JD-go1nq
    @JD-go1nq Рік тому +1

    Love the video. Synology is maturing. Apple did the same thing. Who remembers Radius Macintosh clones? These decisions are made for product brand protection and market pressure. We will continue to see movement on the storage compatibility list. As for using SSH to mod the list. Yes it works, but I can't emphasize enough that all the risk and penalty fall on your shoulders. Also the list will need to be changed after every DSM update.

    • @christopherjames9843
      @christopherjames9843 Рік тому +1

      What do Mac clones from the mid 90's have to do with anything? I'll spell it out for you: NOTHING.

    • @christopherwood2290
      @christopherwood2290 Рік тому +2

      How on earth is Synology "maturing" by requiring buyers to by Synology branded drives? This is just trying to squeeze every penny out of customers to please stockholders.

    • @JD-go1nq
      @JD-go1nq Рік тому

      @@christopherjames9843 I was just referencing the business decisions companies make. In the case of Apple they opened their closed hardware system. This is the opposite of what Synology is doing by closing the drive hardware. Apple had a lot going on and decided to return their hardware to a closed system. Is it really about making more money? Yup it sure is. So as Synology matures as a company we will see these product lines develop. Open and closed compatibility lists.

    • @JD-go1nq
      @JD-go1nq Рік тому +1

      @@christopherwood2290 Yes Synology is maturing. We all are maturing, some for the better and some for the worse. I do agree profit is a driver of these decisions.

    • @christopherjames9843
      @christopherjames9843 Рік тому +1

      @@JD-go1nq Just because there were Mac clones doesn't mean Apple opened anything up. Macs were always 100% proprietary hardware design.

  • @tonyvalenti6614
    @tonyvalenti6614 Рік тому +1

    Prosumers and Enterprises are inherently different, with much different use cases. They should be treated accordingly. Synology would be willingly giving up a good share of consumer/prosumers if they force us to buy expensive Enterprise drives. For now, I can handle the one time warning as long as they leave me alone and stay out of my wallet. I’ve invested enough in 3 NAS’s and 3 Routers. I need less expensive drives, memory and cache. JMHO 😁
    BTW … Tutorial Suggestion … Using Tailscale to set up local to remote Synology NAS’s for scheduled offsite HyperBackups. 😎👍🏻

    • @BoraHorzaGobuchul
      @BoraHorzaGobuchul 6 місяців тому

      It's not about buying Enterprise drives. It's about buying overpriced Synology drives.

    • @tonyvalenti6614
      @tonyvalenti6614 6 місяців тому +1

      @@BoraHorzaGobuchul This was over a year ago. Actually now it’s both. They started by cutting the drive options on the plus series, allowed enterprise drives on XS and RS NAS’s, Then started adding their high priced drives. I think doing this for prosumer devices is anti consumer and will cost them in the long run. Instead of learning this they doubled down and let you use NVMe as storage “only” if you buy their expensive low capacity drives. All bad policy to me.

  • @atoddsstickers
    @atoddsstickers 2 роки тому

    Can we use WD Blue SATA SSD instead of HDD.

    • @SpaceRexWill
      @SpaceRexWill  2 роки тому

      The rule is the same for SSD’s as it is for HDD’s

  • @mikeptech7655
    @mikeptech7655 Рік тому +1

    i was thinking about getting Synology DS1522+ , but now im worried that any drive i put in it wont work...

    • @SpaceRexWill
      @SpaceRexWill  Рік тому

      The 1522+ does not have a drive restriction other than drives with known issues (not BS marketing, drives that actually have issues) Pretty much any drive will work with it just fine.

    • @mikeptech7655
      @mikeptech7655 Рік тому

      @@SpaceRexWill when i say any drive, i wasnt specific, I am referring to ANY NON NAS type drives.. I have several NON NAS type drives laying around like 3TB seagate barracudas and those are not NAS drives.. just plain desktop drives.. but would see a good use to them in a something like a 1522+

    • @BoraHorzaGobuchul
      @BoraHorzaGobuchul 6 місяців тому

      Problem is, when people get hungry, they tend to continue on that path. So now they show a warning, next thing you know with the next dsm update they'll start artificially reducing functionality and blaming it on poor non-synology HDD firmware, and if left unchecked, in a decade they'll send out hit squads to customers who don't buy their drives. In exaggerating, of course, but still.

    • @michaelperugini4199
      @michaelperugini4199 6 місяців тому +1

      @@BoraHorzaGobuchul synology claim of non synology drives or firmware is dumbest shit ever, synology does not make drives, they are either seagate or WD or Toshiba, the moment they start making sure only their drives work, will be the moment people will start going to asustor or others like that. I bought a synology a DS1815+ with 8 , 8TB drives NON synology drives, and work perfectly fine. even with the latest DSM.

  • @KaceyGreen
    @KaceyGreen 2 роки тому +6

    The oh you're just missing SMART data excuse by them is lame, pure cash grab, I'm fine with limited warranty support but actively hobbling 30+ year old features because I prefer another brand of drives is insulting. Also the big red or yellow statuses depending on version and model are excessive, just do like they used to and pop a message saying this drive is not tested and no warranty until you fix it. Another message for drives tested as incompatible with stronger messaging is also fine since they're not blanket saying no but have actually verified it doesn't work or causes issues.

    • @G.Menounos
      @G.Menounos Рік тому +1

      Time to say goodbye to Synology. All of that is VERY INSULTING as you very well said.

    • @KaceyGreen
      @KaceyGreen Рік тому +1

      @@G.Menounos yeah I'm running 3 units and I'm keeping an eye out for what will replace them when the time comes. Removing almost everything from USB support was aggressive too (especially if I wanted to just hand the ports over to a VM that knows what to do with specialized devices like say a smart home controller or a scientific instrument)

  • @mathewcrick
    @mathewcrick 8 місяців тому

    I’m sorry but I have several 12TB drives and it won’t allow be to add them to a volume.

  • @jigsound
    @jigsound 2 роки тому

    Thanks for the elaboration on the compatibility issue! 💪

  • @EuroPC4711
    @EuroPC4711 2 роки тому

    On my DS1621+ with 3x8 TB IronWolf Pro in raid5 DSM 7.1. the HDDs are fine, nothing critical.

    • @SpaceRexWill
      @SpaceRexWill  2 роки тому

      This was only with a specific one of the drives, and a specific firmware that effected the units. It only happened to one person I know directly

  • @gcg2927
    @gcg2927 Рік тому

    In Australia there is a 40% premium for synology drives

    • @00HiGhGuY00
      @00HiGhGuY00 Рік тому

      That is not desirable, but it's not horrible either. I'm in US. I am considering getting ds1522+ and I was looking at drives just now. Synology 16TB $609 Toshiba enterprise 16TB $260. That's a 134% premium for essentially the same drive. One just has custom firmware and a different label on it.

  • @robertc574
    @robertc574 Рік тому

    Thank you for your honesty..... it goes a long way in trusting advise👍

  • @Harmik2
    @Harmik2 2 роки тому

    Has anyone heard any rumours about when Synology will release a 20TB drive? I know they just announced an 18TB.

    • @MrCREWCRUSHIN95
      @MrCREWCRUSHIN95 Рік тому

      A 20TB drive would be LOUD.

    • @00HiGhGuY00
      @00HiGhGuY00 Рік тому

      Who cares. It'd probably cost in the range of $1000 - $1200 for a single drive. ASININE.

  • @jodajackson4489
    @jodajackson4489 Рік тому

    Seagate firmware comparability issue with Synology NAS units,…..see, this is why we can’t have nice things people. Thanks Seagate.

  • @tgmct
    @tgmct 2 роки тому +2

    Can't say that I'm happy with Synology's storage requirement. Up until now I've had nothing but good things to say to clients about them, but this will change things. You mentioned something about a firmware issue with Seagate drives. Some detailed specifics are really needed to know what is going on under the hood. I really want to know what actually happened and why. I remember when HP did this sort of thing with the 9000 and 3000 lines. But there was a big difference though... HP engineers would come in house on their dime when a drive needed a firmware upgrade and perform it themselves. But this high handed posture is a big piece of why I don't work with HP gear any more; my HP clients dried up. As for Synology's compatibility list... I can understand an initial warning when building a volume, but nothing more. Looks like time to look deeper at TrueNAS. I haven't worked with ZFS in years, but it's just as good as BTRFS.

  • @TheJoaolyraaraujo
    @TheJoaolyraaraujo 2 роки тому +1

    I bought an old unit just because this hd issue

  • @supernumex
    @supernumex 2 роки тому

    Great summary

  • @yavivid
    @yavivid 2 роки тому +2

    Considering how critical data protection and performance for the enterprise and prosumers, I really wish Synology will make transition to ZFS instead of limitation-bound Btrfs.

  • @michaelrobinson9643
    @michaelrobinson9643 Рік тому

    Ref your 9+ bay remark. I have 12 bays and no Warning on Volumes.
    I have DS3622xs+ running 7.1.0-42661-1 with Seagate Ironwolf (non Pro) drives and one quite old HGST (All 4TB). I have SMART data however have no Ironwolf data.
    I have NO Warning associated with my Volumes.
    I have verified on the Synology page that my drives are NOT on the compatibility list.
    I have an 8 Bay Synology Unit that is only on DSM6 at this time so can't use that for any checks.

    • @SpaceRexWill
      @SpaceRexWill  Рік тому

      So thats the confusing part. As far as I can tell RS/DS does not matter. The only thing that matters in number of bays in the main unit (not including expansion bays)

    • @michaelrobinson9643
      @michaelrobinson9643 Рік тому

      @@SpaceRexWill I wonder how they treat NAS+Expansion?
      Might be more cost effective for some to use a 4-8 bay unit then expand, instead of a 12+ bay unit?

    • @SpaceRexWill
      @SpaceRexWill  Рік тому

      or now you can really just get the unit, and put your own drives in and deal with it

    • @BoraHorzaGobuchul
      @BoraHorzaGobuchul 6 місяців тому

      Problem is, they can introduce their "non-succinct drives can kill you, be scared" policy at any time to any device if they feel like it. And since it's obviously the path they chose, I'd be wary of that

  • @YouGleIt
    @YouGleIt 6 місяців тому

    :( I just spent days trying to decide on a NAS and now I realize that there is only 1 very specific 16TB model they show as compatible from Seagate. and with a specific firmware that I can't even search for. Absolute crap. wow. One Pro, better 16TB version that is for NAS from Seagate that I like isn't on that list.

    • @SpaceRexWill
      @SpaceRexWill  6 місяців тому +1

      You can just put any SATA HDD and it will work fine

    • @YouGleIt
      @YouGleIt 6 місяців тому

      @@SpaceRexWill thanks for the reply. I think they have to make this clear if that's the case, especially for newbies. There's already so much to consider and learn, and not wanting to mess up while picking certain hardware is stressful enough. I ultimately ordered a QNAP unit with the drives that I wanted and got a reasonable deal for the storage space.

    • @BoraHorzaGobuchul
      @BoraHorzaGobuchul 6 місяців тому +2

      ​@@YouGleItbut they don't want to make it clear, that's literally the intent - play mind games with customers to nudge them towards their overpriced own-brand hdds.

  • @CKallias_SteelEternal
    @CKallias_SteelEternal Рік тому

    Ok so question, I was about to buy a 1821+, and Ihave Exos 18 drives already... that I wanted to put in this one. Yay or nay? Cause you say 8 drives and below should be fine, but can you or anyone else guarantee that once 7.3 hits, or 7.4, they won't just say, ok, so 8 bays, yep, let's lock these fuckers too

    • @CKallias_SteelEternal
      @CKallias_SteelEternal Рік тому

      And can anyone propose the closest QNAP equivalent of the DS1821+... I saw the one that had 5 3.5, and 4 2.5 drives, and it looks pretty cool, but 5 drives, especially with Raid6, is not enough.,.. I could have lived with 6, but not 5. Thx in advance

    • @SpaceRexWill
      @SpaceRexWill  Рік тому

      Their policy has been 8 since the beginning. They have also been backing off it.
      Furthermore they would not make the unit no longer valid, if they were to do it they would say the 1825+ (or whatever) had to use the drives

  • @BornRiders
    @BornRiders 8 місяців тому

    Dude the RS822+ requires Synology drives. Check you compatibility list.

    • @SpaceRexWill
      @SpaceRexWill  8 місяців тому

      This is what I was talking about, there are two types. Hard and soft. The RS822+ will give you a soft error

  • @liugeorge4670
    @liugeorge4670 Рік тому

    Not sure 8 bay below would get exemption for this HDD nonsense. They already had put bar on DS2422 model and will come down to DS XX23 for 8 bay /6 bay DS models. They are all home users for DS models. Now they will come up with their OEM brand of cameras next year combined with surveillance station as a bundle on the market to get into the security market, even throwing in a camera license to lure you in. The same old trick with their Toshiba made Synology HDD to use on so-called enterprise models.

  • @christopherwood2290
    @christopherwood2290 Рік тому +4

    Dude, it is just a money grab. Nothing more.

  • @user-px2cb5pk8p
    @user-px2cb5pk8p Рік тому

    Are Synology drives required to use their RAID F1? I am contemplating going with a DS1823XS but do not want to use Synology SSDs. Granted, their info sheet specifies Synology M.2 Drives are required to create F1 volumes on those, but they don't specify if this can be done with non-Synology SATA SSDs. I really wish they hadn't gone down this road as it is just a money grab. All they had to do is put an * and explain that different drive firmware may make drives incompatible. Problem solved. Additionally, they could make Synology branded drives more cost competitive with their Toshiba counterparts. We are a Synology partner, and don't even get a price cut on their drives.

  • @discrtidunkwn
    @discrtidunkwn Рік тому +1

    They punch you in the eye but thank them for the following punches being softer...😒

  • @captain7492
    @captain7492 Рік тому +1

    Synology since 2011. This is disturbing, but not surprising.
    Money, money, money.

  • @dts7317
    @dts7317 Рік тому +3

    Moved to TrueNAS over this BS. Synology is not an enterprise product, so this makes zero sense.

  • @MrCREWCRUSHIN95
    @MrCREWCRUSHIN95 Рік тому +1

    This....on top of Synology DS series now with AMD ryzen CPUs with NO INTEGRATED GRAPHICS. This is Synology committing suicide. Prosumers and Plex users will be heading to QNAP in droves.

  • @deinemuddaisdoof
    @deinemuddaisdoof Рік тому +1

    Their drives are way overpriced. I got 18TB WD and they can be had for cheaper and are arguably the same or better. Synology RAM is also way overpriced to comparable RAM from Kingston or Micron, even Samsung. It's a terribly greedy, obnoxious approach and will get them a lot more negative reviews going forward. Just as one example, Amazon reviews for the DS2422+ are pretty bad. "Luckily" my 8-bay DS1821+ only complains about my non-Synology RAM which in-itself is absolute b/s, as if Synology RAM was better. Miserable management decisions. I would never touch their routers or home security or other products etc now that I know how they think and operate. My last Synology device or service, out of principle.

  • @shephusted2714
    @shephusted2714 2 роки тому +1

    this is untenable and bad biz generally - they should just go no warranty and then provide fail rates like back blaze

    • @BoraHorzaGobuchul
      @BoraHorzaGobuchul 6 місяців тому

      The fat cats on their board of directors need a wake up call from the free market, and looks like they'll soon get it, with modern competitor NASes offering fast network cards, fast USB and TB, os replacement, m.2 storage pools. Yay for the free market. It takes time though.