yaki linksssssssss docs.google.com/document/d/1tNJCXVCXTUfmjFesu59XOcg6G8IWsuV-6z2xs9iFDSI/edit#heading=h.xnblljptili8 oh correction , i assumed because the original post was talking about yaki that she was the subject of the message , but after re-reading it there is no clear indication this is the case , so we're left not knowing exactly who's career fadel tried to sabotage... ===UPDATE CORRECTION=== turns out this was in fact shown in yaki's document as well and it was not something hidden that only i found v_v"".... twitter.com/drellatsun/status/1664114044888809472
as a third party who did not know any of the people in this drama beforehand (except alpharad but he isnt super important to the core of this drama anyway) i saw you fighting for yaki in the comments so i decided to come here and read through her document and after doing so, i dont understand why you so adamantly defend her both sides are almost entirely "he said/she said" arguments, with pictures of conversations that can in no way be used as definitive proof considering we have no idea what things were truly like offline. all we can do is look at what little facts there are and consider what outcome is more likely. the facts are that many different people who have interacted with yaki throughout various points of her life all make claims pointing out consistent shitty and abusive behaviour from her towards her friends, partners, and fans. many other people corroborate these claims in defense of the alleged victims, and almost no one has anything nice to say about yaki. in her response, she focuses more on the relationship drama with fadel than the actually important claims of abuse. she also admits in her response that she gave hazel an ultimatum to choose between her or her dog, which is extremely fucked up. ultimatums like that in relationships are a textbook case of emotional abuse and the fact that she wasnt concerned about sharing that detail is telling of her character. i also find the screenshots between her and frosty particularly compelling. she fails to deliver on her end of the deal even to people who paid over a thousand dollars in support of her. i saw you saying things in the comments of that video like "im defending the truth, even if its an unpopular truth" though you have absolutely no way of knowing that is the truth based on what yaki has shared, leading me to believe that you are simply biased in her favor, and are not actually concerned with what may or may not be true. what do you truly think is more likely? that a bunch of different people from various parts of yaki's life all came together to make a coordinated attack against yaki despite having virtually nothing to gain from doing so? or that yaki is a bad person? if yaki was truly innocent, id imagine she would have at least *some* people who can vouch for her good character, but then again, remind me what the alleged victims stand to gain from supposedly lying about this abuse? and if she were innocent, i'd imagine she'd be able to create a better response than the 14 pages of "nuh-uh" she shat out in 20 hours. what about this situation led you to so vehemently defend her? do you really think all those people are lying? if so, what leads you to believe that all of those people are lying rather than yaki is lying?
@@NessaTooner >with pictures of conversations that can in no way be used as definitive proof (this is but 1 of many examples) if aruuu claims testimony that yaki is a mean person by giving her the wrong address to some place , and yaki shows a screenshot of the correct address being given , what else can that be called than definitive proof?.... >the facts are that many different people who have interacted with yaki throughout various points of her life all make claims pointing out consistent shitty and abusive behaviour from her towards her friends there is also the fact that her current bf ruby had made claims of the opposite and in defense of yaki , funny how that's never taken into this consideration.... >in her response, she focuses more on the relationship drama with fadel than the actually important claims of abuse. i see , so when yaki talks about something , it's "drama" , implying it doesn't matter but when others talk about the same thing about her , it's "abuse" , and it matters so much we need to make a co-ordinated public posting of personal life accusations in an attempt to cancel someone..... >she also admits in her response that she gave hazel an ultimatum to choose between her or her dog, which is extremely fucked up no , what's fucked up is the mentally unstable abusive hazel letting the dogs fight and then arguing to yaki about it , yaki did the right thing by given hazel an ultimatum and eventually leaving them >i also find the screenshots between her and frosty particularly compelling. she fails to deliver on her end of the deal oh neat i have not seen this person's testimony before thanks for making me aware of it what part of the patreon reward did yaki not fulfill? frosty posted 1 of the images , and talked about a bunch of the other stuff he got from yaki , there was a couple cosplays that were still pending at the time which yaki lamented frosty downgraded his patreon pledge after she had ordered the samus cosplay which made it a loss for her , but gained the learning experience not to make this orders in advance (co-incidentally is also a lesson i've currently had to learn as well) though 1 thing i don't get is the refund , in frosty's document he said they agreed to a refund but did not state the amount , for what , nor show any conversation between them for this , im to assume the 123$ paypal screenshot is yaki's refunding what she owed him? also it's worth noting this is yet another individual who self claims to have "lots of mental problems" who apparently also caused some drama is yaki's discord , and used the business dm as a daily personal get to be friends with yaki , which 99% of the anti-yaki twitter freaks would consider vile harassment they would of course be wrong about that , but it's yet another drop in the very full bucket of showing the biggest defense in favor of yaki's innocence is the blatant bias and hypocrisy those who are against her have >though you have absolutely no way of knowing that is the truth based on what yaki has shared i dispute this with this comment >what do you truly think is more likely? that a bunch of different people- chad.yes have you seen the early comments on that video? there's like 40+ comments i've read through now that are claiming to have been "good friends" with yaki how many of these comments are real people? how many of them are bots? and how many of them are grifters who are hive-minding inserting themselves into this narrative when they in fact have never known yaki in any capacity like you nor i have before this co-ordinated cancel campaign was enacted against her??.... >remind me what the alleged victims stand to gain from supposedly lying about this abuse? they're all fellow d-list e-celebrities , yaki was becoming too popular too fast , so they co-ordinated to sabotage her career , and succeeded , yaki learned the hard way that there are no more ruthless businesses in the world than politics , and celebertism.... >what about this situation led you to so vehemently defend her? she was the first vtuber i liked , yet i was surprised pikachu faced that by the time i found her , the sjws twitter freaks had already harassed her off the internet >do you really think all those people are lying? chad.yes >if so, what leads you to believe that all of those people are lying rather than yaki is lying? yaki's plethora of evidence and their lack of any
@@iamLI3 >(this is but 1 of many examples) if aruuu claims testimony that yaki is a mean person by giving her the wrong address to some place , and yaki shows a screenshot of the correct address being given , what else can that be called than definitive proof?.... you claim multiple times that yaki provides a "plethora" of evidence when in reality she did not. the vast majority of what she provided was irrelevant. she provided a shred of proof for a very insignificant claim (that aru had received the wrong address, which by the way what she pictured was not even proof since the address is blurred and even were it not we don't know if that was the correct address.) and you use that to pretend that she has also provided proof for a lot of other claims, which she has not. she has not provided any more proof than what the others have. and besides, the majority of the claims are about things that happened irl or in discord voice chats, you, me, and no one else on the internet will ever have proof or full context for any of that. no one can claim certainty that yaki was innocent or guilty >there is also the fact that her current bf ruby had made claims of the opposite and in defense of yaki , funny how that's never taken into this consideration.... her current boyfriend and financial dependent releasing a doc that is essentially just him agreeing with her means absolutely nothing. of COURSE he agrees with her. he also fails to mention their connection in his doc so anyone reading wont assume he's biased. he calls him self "a roommate", when in reality he was more than just that. that is misleading. >i see , so when yaki talks about something , it's "drama" , implying it doesn't matter but when others talk about the same thing about her , it's "abuse" , and it matters so much we need to make a co-ordinated public posting of personal life accusations in an attempt to cancel someone..... what? yes, the situation with fadel was literally relationship drama. it was yaki and aruu talking about how they thought he cheated. this situation is nowhere near as important as claims of abuse, and yet she spends more of her document talking shit about fadel than addressing the abuse. and the abuse described by others is not even close to the "same thing" as the fadel situation, so i have no clue where you got that idea. >have you seen the early comments on that video? i dont care about the random commenters. im only focusing on the people that are verifiably involved with yaki in some way. >they're all fellow d-list e-celebrities , yaki was becoming too popular too fast , so they co-ordinated to sabotage her career , and succeeded , yaki learned the hard way that there are no more ruthless businesses in the world than politics , and celebertism.... this is a frankly ridiculous, tin foil hat level explanation. you're telling me that ALL of these people, her editor, her ex, and a variety of her friends, and several of her patrons, all conspired to come and take yaki down all because she was becoming more successful? this is the crux of the situation as far as outside viewers like us are concerned. we will never have the irl context to these situations, so it boils down to "what is more believable? a massive conspiracy being raised by a ton of people in yaki's life all corroborating each others statements and all faking screenshots of them talking about their feelings of the situation as it happened to eachother, or that yaki is simply an abusive person and they are justly accusing her? there are also some examples within her own doc of yaki straight up contradicting herself or intentionally being misleading. for example, aruu claims to have been abandoned with people she did not know. yaki's response? "we didnt 'abandon' her. we simply went home" ohhh yeah, genius, she didnt abandon her, she just went home without her! she claims aruu knew some of them, aruu claims she didnt, who's to say, but yaki does admit to leaving her. another example, arruu claims that she was convinced by yaki that fadel cheated and this was what led to her saying so many terrible things about him. yaki's response? "aruu was the one who came to the conclusion she was cheated on, not me. i was simply telling her events that had happened" so yaki told aruu events that obviously implied he cheated and aruu shockingly came to the conclusion that he cheated, definitely not yaki's fault... right? lol and one more, yaki was accused of not paying enough of her share of the mortage while she was with hazel, yaki's defense? showing that she sent *some* money to hazel on exactly four occasions. that isnt proof. what about the rest of the time she was with her? for all we know, that is the full extent of what yaki paid. and look, like i said. I can't be CERTAIN that yaki is in the wrong, but it looks incredibly damning. i want to clarify that i am not attacking you for defending her. it is ok for you to defend her, because again we will not know the truth. what i do take issue with though is that you, on many occasions, claim that the accusations made against her are "false", and that yaki's baseless claims are the truth, when you obviously have no way to prove that. you can defend her, but please dont try to pretend like youre some vanguard of an unpopular truth. youre simply defending a vtuber you love, in spite of the fact that she wasnt even confident enough in her ability to defend herself to the point that she dropped off the face of the internet, not something that innocent people often do.
@@NessaTooner >you, me, and no one else on the internet will ever have proof or full context for any of that. no one can claim certainty that yaki was innocent or guilty oooo this is neat i've never seen someone respond with my same format of replying before o: ok that's great that you think that , it's an entirely reasonable position to hold , but then the question that needs to be asked , is why are you over here trying to tell me - the lone yaki defender - this , and not the thousands of anti-yaki ppl like i have been doing for the past almost year now??.... >means absolutely nothing. of COURSE he agrees with her. then much of the anti-yaki documents also mean nothing , disgruntled employees/ex's , 'of COURSE they would talk bad about yaki' again not you nor anyone else has ever applied these - whatever they may be - standards unilaterally , and their lack of willingness to admit this only furthers re-enforce my understanding of the situation that no one actually has any reason to take the accuser's side over yaki's , aside from herd mentality , well sorry to inform you but you're talking to a lone alpha wolf here , not a sheep..... >he also fails to mention their connection in his doc - that is misleading. an innocent oversight im sure , as it's not a secret they were together , everyone knew it before hand and the only way you could read ruby's document was going through his twitter account >this situation is nowhere near as important as claims of abuse be specific then , what abuse did aruuu suffer from yaki? >i dont care about the random commenters. im only focusing on the people that are verifiably involved with yaki in some way. ok that's fine , what do you consider to meet the criteria of verifiably involved then , when you opened with the above statement?.... >this is a frankly ridiculous, tin foil hat level explanation. you're telling me that ALL of these people, her editor, her ex, and a variety of her friends, and several of her patrons, all conspired to come and take yaki down all because she was becoming more successful? dude ok this is crazy im suddenly getting a big dejavu here o: that's why aruuu and co initiated this yes , and they most likely found others willing to tag along due to them also being narcissists who wanted victim points , and what a lucrative bet they made as it's still cashing out big time a year later.... also some of them were successfully gaslit into believing that everything they thought about yaki was wrong and everything yaki did with them was mean spirited and abusive , so they genuinely believed they were doing the right thing by contributing to this cancel campaign >so it boils down to "what is more believable? that is what you believe to be the case , this is not however what i believe for starters , i adhere to the notion of innocent until proven guilty , which puts the burden of proof on the accuser and claims that are made without evidence , aught to be dismissed without evidence >a ton of people in yaki's life all corroborating each others statements such loaded language , the actual amount of ppl corroborating statements is 3 - aruu ultimate and fadel , the rest tell their own individual stories , which is not corroboration.... >and all faking screenshots i've never once claimed any of their screenshots are fake >of them talking about their feelings of the situation as it happened to eachother, which talking to each other about the situation as it happened are you referring to here? >there are also some examples within her own doc of yaki straight up contradicting herself or intentionally being misleading. for example, aruu claims to have been abandoned with people she did not know. yaki's response? "we didnt 'abandon' her. we simply went home" gonna have to try again then , cause that's not an example of a contradiction , on many levels 1 - aruuu is an adult , not a child 2 - yaki is not aruuu's parent , she is not responsible for aruuu 3 - leaving a place to go to bed is not "abandonment" , what hazel did to yaki however is abandonment 4 - like seriously? how thoughtless do you - yes specifically you , because you are showing you are not a mindless twitter freak , unlike the rest of the ppl that have replied to me on all of the few yaki videos here who i already know are thoughtless - have to be to see aruuu's complaint and go 'yeah that makes sense'? did you ever stop to ask yourself - or aruuu - why didn't she just leave with yaki and izzy to go to bed?...... >another example, so yaki told aruu events that obviously implied he cheated and aruu shockingly came to the conclusion that he cheated, definitely not yaki's fault... right? lol this is not a contradiction , aruuu was the one who was interrogating yaki to get information on her bf , even coming up with cover stories for yaki to go along with..... like aruuu being the actual manipulative person in this friend circle is so brazenly obvious , i am at times perplexed at how she managed to get away with it all without anyone - aside from ella - calling her out........ >and one more, yaki was accused of not paying enough of her share of the mortage while she was with hazel this is also not a contradiction , uh have you not played ace attorney before? it can teach you very well what a contradiction is..... >yaki's defense? showing that she sent some money to hazel on exactly four occasions. that isnt proof. yes it literally is proof >what about the rest of the time she was with her? for all we know, that is the full extent of what yaki paid. if this is what you want to think then i don't know why you are still bothering to converse with me at this point.... >i want to clarify that i am not attacking you i know >but please dont try to pretend like youre some vanguard of an unpopular truth. convince me otherwise then , cause sorry to say , you have been the best opposing view conversation i have had about yaki to date , but still wholly unconvincing..... >in spite of the fact that she wasnt even confident enough in her ability to defend herself to the point that she dropped off the face of the internet, not something that innocent people often do. now that is truly the most "tin foil hat" thing to have been said this entire conversation innocent people don't often go offline when the twitter freak hate mob comes for them do they? are you really so clueless to how incorrect that is?.....
@@iamLI3 i am not here to convince you, because you are clearly unshakably in favor of yaki if you truly think that these people would create such a conspiracy to take down their friend with their only incentive being petty jealously based only on your assumption that this is the case. you justly require hard evidence to prove yaki guilty, and yet you have no problem accusing the others of conspiracy without any such hard evidence. you talk about applying standards unilaterally but it is obvious you do not even do so yourself. also, now your replies are just becoming pedantic, and plain wrong. youre talking about how yaki's statements arent contradictions when one of the few i mentioned literally is, and the others are intentionally misleading , which is something that you conveniently ignored i said so that you could be pedantic about the word "contradiction". i said "there are also some examples within her own doc of yaki straight up contradicting herself *or intentionally being misleading*" she said she didnt abandon aruu and admits to abandoning aruu in the very next sentence, this is a contradiction. you say it isnt abandonment because aruu is an adult? do you really think an adult cant be abandoned? especially a woman being left behind by her friends, alone with a group of men. do you seriously see nothing wrong with that? if a friend took you to their friends house, a group of 3 guys who you didnt really know, and then just left you there with those guys you dont know, you wouldnt say your friend abandoned you? again, consider the fact that aruu is a woman, she isnt the "tough alpha wolf" that you are. if those three guys wanted to do something to her, she'd've been completely unable to stop it. and the other thing about her implying that fadel cheated. that isnt exactly a contradiction, but it is her being misleading, she said she didnt accuse him of cheating, which she may not have, but she "simply told her events that happened" that led to the aruu drawing that conclusion. even if we take what she said to be true, she is clearly being misleading here claiming that she didnt come to the conclusion that fadel was cheating, because of course aru would make that conclusion when yaki "simply tells her events that happened" and the rent thing, yes this is also her being misleading. yes, she did show proof. she showed proof of a fraction of the time she was with hazel. this is *not* proof that she *always* paid her fair share, or that she paid anything other than this, that is why this is misleading. i didnt think i had to spell this out. imagine you owe someone $500, and you show proof of you sending them $40 like 3 times. is that proof that you sent them money? yes, congrats. is that proof that you paid them what you needed to? no absolutely not. therefore, this is misleading. this is the "evidence" that you claim yaki has a plethora of. none of what she shows actually disproves the allegations, not that the burden is on her to do so, but you do act like her doc provides evidence of her innocence, which it does not. you hide behind the phrase "innocent until proven guilty" to make you seem fair, when in reality you are wholly convinced of her innocence perhaps because you love her and/or you're a simple contrarian, i dont actually know. what i can tell is that you are not actually interested in proving or disproving her guilt, which again, with the information available to us, is impossible, despite your adamant certainty that she is innocent and that the others are conspirators. you also have no problem giving people on yaki's side the benefit of the doubt, saying that ruby omitting the fact that he is her boyfriend is just an "innocent oversight". and since we're talking about the presumption of innocence, let me remind you of something because this may be where you're going wrong. "innocent until proven guilty" does not *literally* mean they are innocent if they are not proven guilty. remember, at the end of a case, the defendant is either ruled "guilty" or "not guilty", meaning the prosecutors were able to prove that the defendant was guilty, or they werent. the court does not render a judgement on the persons innocence because you often cannot know if they were innocent or not. the court never rules someone "innocent". we can assume they are innocent, we dont know it as a fact. my problem with you is that you pretend like it is a fact that yaki is innocent and that it is a fact that any who say otherwise are spreading falsehoods, when in truth this is all speculation and no one can know. just because she was not proven guilty, this does not mean she is definitely innocent. regardless of that though, this is not the court of law. this is the court of public opinion, and unfortunately for yaki, she looked much more like she was in the wrong than the other parties, and as unfair as that is, that is what matters to most people, and as such, she suffered the consequences regardless of her guilt. i wanted to know where you were coming from in your defense of her, to see if there was something i was missing that made her look better, something that made her accusers look worse, or something that you knew and i didnt, but that was not the case. in truth youre no different from the twitter hate mob you despise, baseless belief, just in the opposite direction. i am not perfect either, I'm obviously biased against yaki, i find the various testimonies and screenshots compelling. i personally find it incredibly ridiculous to believe that all those people would conspire to destroy yaki over petty jealousy. though im not claiming to be certain of the truth like you are. as for why i replied to you about this and not the legions of commenters, why would i bother to have a conversation like this with people who are likely just leaving comments on that vid and promptly forgetting about the whole thing? i doubt most of them really care. you are different because you are obviously very invested in this situation.
34:10 WAIT THE BIRD CAN COUNTER ATTACK , WUUUT O_O???
ooooh nono ok it was just A's normal attack that was launched but not fired all the way yet
Liked your comment about anime antis. Do you like any of my AMVs?
sry im not a fan of amvs , though i have made 1 myself a long time ago....
yaki linksssssssss
docs.google.com/document/d/1tNJCXVCXTUfmjFesu59XOcg6G8IWsuV-6z2xs9iFDSI/edit#heading=h.xnblljptili8
oh correction , i assumed because the original post was talking about yaki that she was the subject of the message , but after re-reading it there is no clear indication this is the case , so we're left not knowing exactly who's career fadel tried to sabotage...
===UPDATE CORRECTION===
turns out this was in fact shown in yaki's document as well and it was not something hidden that only i found v_v""....
twitter.com/drellatsun/status/1664114044888809472
as a third party who did not know any of the people in this drama beforehand (except alpharad but he isnt super important to the core of this drama anyway) i saw you fighting for yaki in the comments so i decided to come here and read through her document and after doing so, i dont understand why you so adamantly defend her
both sides are almost entirely "he said/she said" arguments, with pictures of conversations that can in no way be used as definitive proof considering we have no idea what things were truly like offline.
all we can do is look at what little facts there are and consider what outcome is more likely.
the facts are that many different people who have interacted with yaki throughout various points of her life all make claims pointing out consistent shitty and abusive behaviour from her towards her friends, partners, and fans. many other people corroborate these claims in defense of the alleged victims, and almost no one has anything nice to say about yaki. in her response, she focuses more on the relationship drama with fadel than the actually important claims of abuse.
she also admits in her response that she gave hazel an ultimatum to choose between her or her dog, which is extremely fucked up. ultimatums like that in relationships are a textbook case of emotional abuse and the fact that she wasnt concerned about sharing that detail is telling of her character.
i also find the screenshots between her and frosty particularly compelling. she fails to deliver on her end of the deal even to people who paid over a thousand dollars in support of her.
i saw you saying things in the comments of that video like "im defending the truth, even if its an unpopular truth" though you have absolutely no way of knowing that is the truth based on what yaki has shared, leading me to believe that you are simply biased in her favor, and are not actually concerned with what may or may not be true.
what do you truly think is more likely? that a bunch of different people from various parts of yaki's life all came together to make a coordinated attack against yaki despite having virtually nothing to gain from doing so? or that yaki is a bad person?
if yaki was truly innocent, id imagine she would have at least *some* people who can vouch for her good character, but then again, remind me what the alleged victims stand to gain from supposedly lying about this abuse? and if she were innocent, i'd imagine she'd be able to create a better response than the 14 pages of "nuh-uh" she shat out in 20 hours.
what about this situation led you to so vehemently defend her? do you really think all those people are lying? if so, what leads you to believe that all of those people are lying rather than yaki is lying?
@@NessaTooner >with pictures of conversations that can in no way be used as definitive proof
(this is but 1 of many examples) if aruuu claims testimony that yaki is a mean person by giving her the wrong address to some place , and yaki shows a screenshot of the correct address being given , what else can that be called than definitive proof?....
>the facts are that many different people who have interacted with yaki throughout various points of her life all make claims pointing out consistent shitty and abusive behaviour from her towards her friends
there is also the fact that her current bf ruby had made claims of the opposite and in defense of yaki , funny how that's never taken into this consideration....
>in her response, she focuses more on the relationship drama with fadel than the actually important claims of abuse.
i see , so when yaki talks about something , it's "drama" , implying it doesn't matter
but when others talk about the same thing about her , it's "abuse" , and it matters so much we need to make a co-ordinated public posting of personal life accusations in an attempt to cancel someone.....
>she also admits in her response that she gave hazel an ultimatum to choose between her or her dog, which is extremely fucked up
no , what's fucked up is the mentally unstable abusive hazel letting the dogs fight and then arguing to yaki about it , yaki did the right thing by given hazel an ultimatum and eventually leaving them
>i also find the screenshots between her and frosty particularly compelling. she fails to deliver on her end of the deal
oh neat i have not seen this person's testimony before thanks for making me aware of it
what part of the patreon reward did yaki not fulfill? frosty posted 1 of the images , and talked about a bunch of the other stuff he got from yaki , there was a couple cosplays that were still pending at the time which yaki lamented frosty downgraded his patreon pledge after she had ordered the samus cosplay which made it a loss for her , but gained the learning experience not to make this orders in advance (co-incidentally is also a lesson i've currently had to learn as well)
though 1 thing i don't get is the refund , in frosty's document he said they agreed to a refund but did not state the amount , for what , nor show any conversation between them for this , im to assume the 123$ paypal screenshot is yaki's refunding what she owed him?
also it's worth noting this is yet another individual who self claims to have "lots of mental problems" who apparently also caused some drama is yaki's discord , and used the business dm as a daily personal get to be friends with yaki , which 99% of the anti-yaki twitter freaks would consider vile harassment
they would of course be wrong about that , but it's yet another drop in the very full bucket of showing the biggest defense in favor of yaki's innocence is the blatant bias and hypocrisy those who are against her have
>though you have absolutely no way of knowing that is the truth based on what yaki has shared
i dispute this with this comment
>what do you truly think is more likely? that a bunch of different people-
chad.yes
have you seen the early comments on that video?
there's like 40+ comments i've read through now that are claiming to have been "good friends" with yaki
how many of these comments are real people?
how many of them are bots?
and how many of them are grifters who are hive-minding inserting themselves into this narrative when they in fact have never known yaki in any capacity like you nor i have before this co-ordinated cancel campaign was enacted against her??....
>remind me what the alleged victims stand to gain from supposedly lying about this abuse?
they're all fellow d-list e-celebrities , yaki was becoming too popular too fast , so they co-ordinated to sabotage her career , and succeeded , yaki learned the hard way that there are no more ruthless businesses in the world than politics , and celebertism....
>what about this situation led you to so vehemently defend her?
she was the first vtuber i liked , yet i was surprised pikachu faced that by the time i found her , the sjws twitter freaks had already harassed her off the internet
>do you really think all those people are lying?
chad.yes
>if so, what leads you to believe that all of those people are lying rather than yaki is lying?
yaki's plethora of evidence and their lack of any
@@iamLI3
>(this is but 1 of many examples) if aruuu claims testimony that yaki is a mean person by giving her the wrong address to some place , and yaki shows a screenshot of the correct address being given , what else can that be called than definitive proof?....
you claim multiple times that yaki provides a "plethora" of evidence when in reality she did not. the vast majority of what she provided was irrelevant. she provided a shred of proof for a very insignificant claim (that aru had received the wrong address, which by the way what she pictured was not even proof since the address is blurred and even were it not we don't know if that was the correct address.) and you use that to pretend that she has also provided proof for a lot of other claims, which she has not. she has not provided any more proof than what the others have.
and besides, the majority of the claims are about things that happened irl or in discord voice chats, you, me, and no one else on the internet will ever have proof or full context for any of that. no one can claim certainty that yaki was innocent or guilty
>there is also the fact that her current bf ruby had made claims of the opposite and in defense of yaki , funny how that's never taken into this consideration....
her current boyfriend and financial dependent releasing a doc that is essentially just him agreeing with her means absolutely nothing. of COURSE he agrees with her. he also fails to mention their connection in his doc so anyone reading wont assume he's biased. he calls him self "a roommate", when in reality he was more than just that. that is misleading.
>i see , so when yaki talks about something , it's "drama" , implying it doesn't matter
but when others talk about the same thing about her , it's "abuse" , and it matters so much we need to make a co-ordinated public posting of personal life accusations in an attempt to cancel someone.....
what? yes, the situation with fadel was literally relationship drama. it was yaki and aruu talking about how they thought he cheated. this situation is nowhere near as important as claims of abuse, and yet she spends more of her document talking shit about fadel than addressing the abuse. and the abuse described by others is not even close to the "same thing" as the fadel situation, so i have no clue where you got that idea.
>have you seen the early comments on that video?
i dont care about the random commenters. im only focusing on the people that are verifiably involved with yaki in some way.
>they're all fellow d-list e-celebrities , yaki was becoming too popular too fast , so they co-ordinated to sabotage her career , and succeeded , yaki learned the hard way that there are no more ruthless businesses in the world than politics , and celebertism....
this is a frankly ridiculous, tin foil hat level explanation. you're telling me that ALL of these people, her editor, her ex, and a variety of her friends, and several of her patrons, all conspired to come and take yaki down all because she was becoming more successful?
this is the crux of the situation as far as outside viewers like us are concerned. we will never have the irl context to these situations, so it boils down to "what is more believable? a massive conspiracy being raised by a ton of people in yaki's life all corroborating each others statements and all faking screenshots of them talking about their feelings of the situation as it happened to eachother, or that yaki is simply an abusive person and they are justly accusing her?
there are also some examples within her own doc of yaki straight up contradicting herself or intentionally being misleading. for example, aruu claims to have been abandoned with people she did not know. yaki's response? "we didnt 'abandon' her. we simply went home" ohhh yeah, genius, she didnt abandon her, she just went home without her! she claims aruu knew some of them, aruu claims she didnt, who's to say, but yaki does admit to leaving her.
another example, arruu claims that she was convinced by yaki that fadel cheated and this was what led to her saying so many terrible things about him. yaki's response? "aruu was the one who came to the conclusion she was cheated on, not me. i was simply telling her events that had happened"
so yaki told aruu events that obviously implied he cheated and aruu shockingly came to the conclusion that he cheated, definitely not yaki's fault... right? lol
and one more, yaki was accused of not paying enough of her share of the mortage while she was with hazel, yaki's defense? showing that she sent *some* money to hazel on exactly four occasions. that isnt proof. what about the rest of the time she was with her? for all we know, that is the full extent of what yaki paid.
and look, like i said. I can't be CERTAIN that yaki is in the wrong, but it looks incredibly damning. i want to clarify that i am not attacking you for defending her. it is ok for you to defend her, because again we will not know the truth. what i do take issue with though is that you, on many occasions, claim that the accusations made against her are "false", and that yaki's baseless claims are the truth, when you obviously have no way to prove that. you can defend her, but please dont try to pretend like youre some vanguard of an unpopular truth. youre simply defending a vtuber you love, in spite of the fact that she wasnt even confident enough in her ability to defend herself to the point that she dropped off the face of the internet, not something that innocent people often do.
@@NessaTooner >you, me, and no one else on the internet will ever have proof or full context for any of that. no one can claim certainty that yaki was innocent or guilty
oooo this is neat i've never seen someone respond with my same format of replying before o:
ok that's great that you think that , it's an entirely reasonable position to hold , but then the question that needs to be asked , is why are you over here trying to tell me - the lone yaki defender - this , and not the thousands of anti-yaki ppl like i have been doing for the past almost year now??....
>means absolutely nothing. of COURSE he agrees with her.
then much of the anti-yaki documents also mean nothing , disgruntled employees/ex's , 'of COURSE they would talk bad about yaki'
again not you nor anyone else has ever applied these - whatever they may be - standards unilaterally , and their lack of willingness to admit this only furthers re-enforce my understanding of the situation that no one actually has any reason to take the accuser's side over yaki's , aside from herd mentality , well sorry to inform you but you're talking to a lone alpha wolf here , not a sheep.....
>he also fails to mention their connection in his doc - that is misleading.
an innocent oversight im sure , as it's not a secret they were together , everyone knew it before hand and the only way you could read ruby's document was going through his twitter account
>this situation is nowhere near as important as claims of abuse
be specific then , what abuse did aruuu suffer from yaki?
>i dont care about the random commenters. im only focusing on the people that are verifiably involved with yaki in some way.
ok that's fine , what do you consider to meet the criteria of verifiably involved then , when you opened with the above statement?....
>this is a frankly ridiculous, tin foil hat level explanation. you're telling me that ALL of these people, her editor, her ex, and a variety of her friends, and several of her patrons, all conspired to come and take yaki down all because she was becoming more successful?
dude ok this is crazy im suddenly getting a big dejavu here o:
that's why aruuu and co initiated this yes , and they most likely found others willing to tag along due to them also being narcissists who wanted victim points , and what a lucrative bet they made as it's still cashing out big time a year later....
also some of them were successfully gaslit into believing that everything they thought about yaki was wrong and everything yaki did with them was mean spirited and abusive , so they genuinely believed they were doing the right thing by contributing to this cancel campaign
>so it boils down to "what is more believable?
that is what you believe to be the case , this is not however what i believe
for starters , i adhere to the notion of innocent until proven guilty , which puts the burden of proof on the accuser
and claims that are made without evidence , aught to be dismissed without evidence
>a ton of people in yaki's life all corroborating each others statements
such loaded language , the actual amount of ppl corroborating statements is 3 - aruu ultimate and fadel , the rest tell their own individual stories , which is not corroboration....
>and all faking screenshots
i've never once claimed any of their screenshots are fake
>of them talking about their feelings of the situation as it happened to eachother,
which talking to each other about the situation as it happened are you referring to here?
>there are also some examples within her own doc of yaki straight up contradicting herself or intentionally being misleading. for example, aruu claims to have been abandoned with people she did not know. yaki's response? "we didnt 'abandon' her. we simply went home"
gonna have to try again then , cause that's not an example of a contradiction , on many levels
1 - aruuu is an adult , not a child
2 - yaki is not aruuu's parent , she is not responsible for aruuu
3 - leaving a place to go to bed is not "abandonment" , what hazel did to yaki however is abandonment
4 - like seriously? how thoughtless do you - yes specifically you , because you are showing you are not a mindless twitter freak , unlike the rest of the ppl that have replied to me on all of the few yaki videos here who i already know are thoughtless - have to be to see aruuu's complaint and go 'yeah that makes sense'?
did you ever stop to ask yourself - or aruuu - why didn't she just leave with yaki and izzy to go to bed?......
>another example, so yaki told aruu events that obviously implied he cheated and aruu shockingly came to the conclusion that he cheated, definitely not yaki's fault... right? lol
this is not a contradiction , aruuu was the one who was interrogating yaki to get information on her bf , even coming up with cover stories for yaki to go along with.....
like aruuu being the actual manipulative person in this friend circle is so brazenly obvious , i am at times perplexed at how she managed to get away with it all without anyone - aside from ella - calling her out........
>and one more, yaki was accused of not paying enough of her share of the mortage while she was with hazel
this is also not a contradiction , uh have you not played ace attorney before? it can teach you very well what a contradiction is.....
>yaki's defense? showing that she sent some money to hazel on exactly four occasions. that isnt proof.
yes it literally is proof
>what about the rest of the time she was with her? for all we know, that is the full extent of what yaki paid.
if this is what you want to think then i don't know why you are still bothering to converse with me at this point....
>i want to clarify that i am not attacking you
i know
>but please dont try to pretend like youre some vanguard of an unpopular truth.
convince me otherwise then , cause sorry to say , you have been the best opposing view conversation i have had about yaki to date , but still wholly unconvincing.....
>in spite of the fact that she wasnt even confident enough in her ability to defend herself to the point that she dropped off the face of the internet, not something that innocent people often do.
now that is truly the most "tin foil hat" thing to have been said this entire conversation
innocent people don't often go offline when the twitter freak hate mob comes for them do they?
are you really so clueless to how incorrect that is?.....
@@iamLI3 i am not here to convince you, because you are clearly unshakably in favor of yaki if you truly think that these people would create such a conspiracy to take down their friend with their only incentive being petty jealously based only on your assumption that this is the case. you justly require hard evidence to prove yaki guilty, and yet you have no problem accusing the others of conspiracy without any such hard evidence. you talk about applying standards unilaterally but it is obvious you do not even do so yourself.
also, now your replies are just becoming pedantic, and plain wrong. youre talking about how yaki's statements arent contradictions when one of the few i mentioned literally is, and the others are intentionally misleading , which is something that you conveniently ignored i said so that you could be pedantic about the word "contradiction". i said "there are also some examples within her own doc of yaki straight up contradicting herself *or intentionally being misleading*"
she said she didnt abandon aruu and admits to abandoning aruu in the very next sentence, this is a contradiction. you say it isnt abandonment because aruu is an adult? do you really think an adult cant be abandoned? especially a woman being left behind by her friends, alone with a group of men. do you seriously see nothing wrong with that? if a friend took you to their friends house, a group of 3 guys who you didnt really know, and then just left you there with those guys you dont know, you wouldnt say your friend abandoned you? again, consider the fact that aruu is a woman, she isnt the "tough alpha wolf" that you are. if those three guys wanted to do something to her, she'd've been completely unable to stop it.
and the other thing about her implying that fadel cheated. that isnt exactly a contradiction, but it is her being misleading, she said she didnt accuse him of cheating, which she may not have, but she "simply told her events that happened" that led to the aruu drawing that conclusion. even if we take what she said to be true, she is clearly being misleading here claiming that she didnt come to the conclusion that fadel was cheating, because of course aru would make that conclusion when yaki "simply tells her events that happened"
and the rent thing, yes this is also her being misleading. yes, she did show proof. she showed proof of a fraction of the time she was with hazel. this is *not* proof that she *always* paid her fair share, or that she paid anything other than this, that is why this is misleading. i didnt think i had to spell this out.
imagine you owe someone $500, and you show proof of you sending them $40 like 3 times. is that proof that you sent them money? yes, congrats. is that proof that you paid them what you needed to? no absolutely not. therefore, this is misleading. this is the "evidence" that you claim yaki has a plethora of. none of what she shows actually disproves the allegations, not that the burden is on her to do so, but you do act like her doc provides evidence of her innocence, which it does not.
you hide behind the phrase "innocent until proven guilty" to make you seem fair, when in reality you are wholly convinced of her innocence perhaps because you love her and/or you're a simple contrarian, i dont actually know. what i can tell is that you are not actually interested in proving or disproving her guilt, which again, with the information available to us, is impossible, despite your adamant certainty that she is innocent and that the others are conspirators. you also have no problem giving people on yaki's side the benefit of the doubt, saying that ruby omitting the fact that he is her boyfriend is just an "innocent oversight".
and since we're talking about the presumption of innocence, let me remind you of something because this may be where you're going wrong. "innocent until proven guilty" does not *literally* mean they are innocent if they are not proven guilty. remember, at the end of a case, the defendant is either ruled "guilty" or "not guilty", meaning the prosecutors were able to prove that the defendant was guilty, or they werent. the court does not render a judgement on the persons innocence because you often cannot know if they were innocent or not. the court never rules someone "innocent". we can assume they are innocent, we dont know it as a fact. my problem with you is that you pretend like it is a fact that yaki is innocent and that it is a fact that any who say otherwise are spreading falsehoods, when in truth this is all speculation and no one can know. just because she was not proven guilty, this does not mean she is definitely innocent.
regardless of that though, this is not the court of law. this is the court of public opinion, and unfortunately for yaki, she looked much more like she was in the wrong than the other parties, and as unfair as that is, that is what matters to most people, and as such, she suffered the consequences regardless of her guilt.
i wanted to know where you were coming from in your defense of her, to see if there was something i was missing that made her look better, something that made her accusers look worse, or something that you knew and i didnt, but that was not the case. in truth youre no different from the twitter hate mob you despise, baseless belief, just in the opposite direction.
i am not perfect either, I'm obviously biased against yaki, i find the various testimonies and screenshots compelling. i personally find it incredibly ridiculous to believe that all those people would conspire to destroy yaki over petty jealousy. though im not claiming to be certain of the truth like you are.
as for why i replied to you about this and not the legions of commenters, why would i bother to have a conversation like this with people who are likely just leaving comments on that vid and promptly forgetting about the whole thing? i doubt most of them really care. you are different because you are obviously very invested in this situation.