The current gr86 is great looking and the best value sports car right now. Livable for daily and is the ultimate track day car for the money. Don’t mess it up Toyota
I just want to say that liftbacks are not that good for sportiness because they have to make a massive hole in the chassis, so it looses rigidity, the 86 is not a liftback in order to have that added rigidity in the chassis!
They need to make a GRMN with brembos and some extras Or a performance package People will pay the extra 3k for it Specially now that aftermarket parts are so expensive , Or like in Japan sell a very base car for people that wants to modify it
2025 date sounds like Supra replacement. Maybe they are not happy with BMW co-op, or they realized there is market for 50k-sports car, but BMW won't continue Z4, so they have to come up with their own. They will keep GR86 till almost 2030's in some markets and then let it either die, or release something new. Either way, both cars would need completely new platform to accomodate hybrid powertrain.
I'm sure this will never happen but of Toyota remade the Toyota Corolla ae86 with some modern upgrades but made the car look 90% or so retro. I'd buy that in a heartbeat!
Current gen gr86 is beautiful, why change it so soon??? Would be nice to have a g16e power plant… but only a 3 year generation after the gts/gt86 had such a long run is odd.
personally I find a 2025 MY GR86 to be a little out of scope. A 3 year production cycle for the current gen is ridiculous, and a 5 year production span for the Supra is so short! Of course hoping none of this true as I guess this will make used prices skyrocket!!
The 3rd gen 86 is going to become what the MKV Supra should have been all along. Premium price tag, fast in it's class, bulletproof, 100% Japanese. The best is yet to come
maybe work with lor=tus who is working with alpine a110 makers, imagine if lotus elise final edition was smoother gearbox liek dual clucth etc, lighter, linear power and sound and sound would be more variant between rpm, probably better mpg etc. maybe thye should put kei car engine to charge elctric motor for perfectly smooth torque vectoring and immedeate torque etc, optional regen braking because linear response to driver input is inportant
@@naveenthemachine oh naveenthemachine .you are a true buzz kill.😂.i mean lexus performance is not done and will only get better .dont take your personal life issues on a excellent brand for god sakes.👍
The way I see it, with the GR86 possibly putting out these numbers I think the supra is either going super car territory (or another alternative, maybe no more RC and the supra fills that spot instead?) or it’s gone and we’re getting a new Celica with maybe a sportier version of the eAWD corolla drivetrain.
Good points. I would wonder how a 2 powertrain Supra, a power-bumped GR86, and rumored Celica and/or MR2 would all fit into the market at the same time. Maybe the MR2 pulls a Miata and is Spyder only, and perhaps the Celica takes the spot of the current 86 but with a liftback and a bit more usability (maybe even lowered in power just to keep economies of scale going and ride out any production contract with Subaru)? Trouble there is then starting to brush elbows with the Corolla... I imagine the 4 cylinder Supra gets dropped unless BMW has that in a contract as well.
@@markcoopers1930 yeah even without a hypothetical celica, Toyota is really padding out its sports car lineup. Since we’re seeing an ultra-small engine for the MR, maybe we don’t even get the mr2 in North America and they give us a new celica instead. If this 2025 GR86 gets the G16 then there really becomes no reason for the I4 supra. Maybe this is being introduced as a like GRMN86 and would replace the I4 Supra? Plus if it’s hybrid that would contribute to emissions requirements so it could make sense. Damn I love hearing news like this. Speculating on the future of the auto industry is a lot of fun.
or maybe this is the new celica and there is a confusion about the naming. The first rumors we heard about the celica involved the 3c engine from the gr yaris. This looks like it will have that engine.
So the last generation BRZ/GT-GR86 went for a full decade with no redesign but this generation (of a very low volume model) will last 3-4 model years? 🤔 Makes sense
Make it a 3cyl based off the Subaru 6 since its already in their toolbox . Take one head off and use the rods as "dummy" rods to balance the motor like a Ducati supermono . Then you have a 3cyl that is smooth and revs like a 6cyl . Decreasing the parts count drastically and going down to one head simplifies plumbing issues . ..move the battery down to where the missing head was to accentuate cg benefits .
Yes! Performance/sport tuned hybrids. Take a well balanced chassis like the 86, a solid performing motor and a small electric system to help add a little bit extra instant power and ease the stress on the gas & turbo system. If there's one company that can do it..... After Acura..... It's Toyota.
@@badboy-gn8fu They can be, there is no set rule. Depends on many factors and what the car is built to be. Hyundai Sonata, Hyundai Tucson, Toyota Camry, Rav 4 Hybrid and Rav 4 prime are all faster than their equivalent priced gas counterparts, but those cars are engineered for efficiency. May not be the case for others, these ones just happen to be. Acura NSX was a hybrid supercar, designed for performance and it was pretty darn fast. Polestar 1 also a fast hybrid, but both of these were engineered specifically to be performance and engineering showcases. We have yet to see a proper hybrid powertrain be put into a proper sportscar chassis. Miata, 86, etc. Older hybrids with older battery tech, probably not the case.
Well it's not exactly like Toyota make an inline-6 either... The Supra is just a BMW Z4 rebadged... Though they could buy a BMW B58 from BMW for some other models, I wouldn't complain, it's one of the greatest inline-6 engines ever and unlike a lot of BMW engines it's pretty reliable too ...
Maybe Subaru should take the old 3.0 or 3.6 ...lop off one head and use the rods as "dummy" rods like a Ducati supermono ...a 3cyl that runs like a 6cyl ..definately a different exhaust note than the boxer 4 ...one head so easier to manufacture and plumb for turbo ...
Ok hear me out, the new mr2 is supposedly coming out in 2025. And I heard somewhere that in 2025 the 86 was being discontinued because there were some safety issues in Europe. That new mr2 is supposed to have an i3 and those power specs also match. Maybe it’s not an 86, maybe it’s that mr2
Well we heard this kind of news when the FR-S was coming back to the toyota line up as the GT86. I am expecting a few tweaks and a changing in the styling.
Fantastic to see that a next gen gr 86 is going to happen ❤. This gr 86 will replace the supra .Toyota nissan and mazda keeping japanese sports car alive.
they could continue lotus elise final edition as alpine are also collaborating with lotus geely imagine if alpine a110 was lotus elise with better gearbox, more linear power delivery, more echong sound and vairance between rpm, higher rpm sound, lighter weight, smaller car etc
nice to dream but this isn't possible, it would be too close to the supra which is their top tier sports car The mr2 was always supposed to be cheap (relatively) It's much more likely to be put into a lexus IC
The way I see it, GR86 will run until 2030 while the rumored replacement will be more of Supra, which is due to end in 2025. Moreover, Lexus RC and LC, have been in production for quite sometime. Thus the rummored ñew car can be shared between two brands. Its also posible, that Lexus will used this model.
I would imagine that they would love to break some records before new gas combustion cars are gone. Their last years could be there best years for sports cars.
Have Subaru dig through their parts bin ...pull out the old 3.6 6cyl ....take off one head and use the connecting rods as "dummy" rods to balance . Then you have a low cg 3cyl that runs smooth like a 6cyl . The parts count is greatly reduced ...assembly simplified ...turbo plumbing becomes much simpler ...
The 2022 GR86 is an exercise in frustration: if Toyota took the basic body shell and put in a high-revving 4-cylinder NA engine rather than the RTV disaster from Subaru, that would make it a much better car. FR, high-revving NA, 6-speed manual and a genuine reliable Toyota engine and I would buy it.
talking about the hybrid system from the crown, then about the 3c engine from the gr yaris makes me believe that it might be a confusion about the name of the car. In reality, this could be the new celica gr4, hybrid set-up, 300+ hp, awd.
They already know the GR Corolla engine fits in the current GR86. I think they just do that. It makes the most sense. I would rather that with some better brakes, adaptive dampers, wider tires, and since dreaming a nicer interior, than a hybrid setup.
Could this be the Celica based on the Lexus IC chassis which is already RWD bias? ... If BMW partnership is no longer they should move the Supra name to something based on the LC500 chassis.
I swear if this another thing about the turbo inline 4 test model... There was one during the first gen as well. It's not a sign of much for the platform, it's probably their best platform to test new small performance engines however.
If Toyota is going to use a hybrid for a new 86, I hope they put the electric motor in the rear of the car to even out the weight distribution, and push to keep the weight at 3000 pounds or less. Putting the electric motor at the rear should improve the weight distribution (currently about 55/45) and keeping the weight down should keep the handling intact. I wouldn't shed any tears over losing the Subaru flat-4 motor. The new one sounds better than Gen 1, but the sound is still unattractive and rough.
if I had to guess, this is most likely not gonna happen. None of it. Not the hybrid or the redesign at 2025. it first of all would go against what the gr86 is even about lmao, and they also would definitely not redesign it this soon.
If the “new” 86 was built off of the IS platform it would be more of an actual successor to the old Corolla. It would also be quite poetic too, being that the engineer who started the IS/Altezza line is the same one who lead the Corolla AE86 project.
I’m not surprised. Toyota forgot how to make sports cars so the GR products are partnering with other brands that still have sports car operations. These next iterations will most likely be Toyota manufactured 💯
It was very interesting that the GR86 would have more power now with a Turbo hybrid engine. I hope that they continue to be RWD and have a 6MT available for us enthusiasts. The new external design doesn't look that engaging; hopefully, the production car looks better.
I also heard that the GR86 will be discontinued after 2025. I hope it’s wrong. I definitely wouldn’t pay $44,000 for a GR86. $30,000 to $35,000 is a decent price range but not $44,000.
Gosh, I hope it doesn’t look anything like that, especially the front! The ‘16 FRS I had looked okay and the newer GR86 looks great in my opinion but this?!!
To get a 3rd gen GR86 if Toyota and Subaru are going to go their separate ways and there's not to be another BRZ after this generation for Subaru, a GR86 on the Lexus RC platform would be the closest platform for a third generation GR86 with GR Yaris/GR Corolla engine 1.6T 3-cylinder engine. I don't think 86 fans would be anywhere near upset by that. Everybody that's complaining about not getting a turbocharged GR86, if it's being put into development in Japan right now to be ready in the next 4 years, you better be ready for it, even if it means going mild hybrid while still trying to find ways to be lightweight. If the next gen GR86 is to be on some next gen Lexus RC platform using a mild hybrid setup with the 1.6T engine and 6-speed manual while retaining RWD, you better take it for what it is even if it's going to cost more than the current gen GR86. Be grateful if this is happening for you 86 fans, but always wanted it to be turbocharged. It sounds like a grain of salt, but it appears insiders with connections for Toyota Japan know more than insiders with connections for Toyota USA ever would.
2025 GR86 will be larger and heavier. It's going away of that back to basics Miata competitor vibe. It'll be in the more upper luxury GT cruiser category. For sure that's what all those wanting the car to have turbo ( and now plus hybrid ) are asking for a long time.
If they add a hybrid system in it. It won't be a lightweight sportcar anymore. Batteries plus electric motors (even they are small) can push the weight well pass 3000lbs.
TOYOTA, i am in! The most likely scenario is that supra 2.0 will be discarded, while supra 3.0 will get 400+ hp or maybe toyota will use some in-home engine suitable for hybridization
Am I the only one who think that they should make a corolla coupe hybrid, awd drive, sell it for 22k to 25k and call it a day? They did that with the old celica and the corolla hybrid fwd was faster than i expected. Maybe tune it a bit more to get more power and less efficiency. That would be awesome!
Despite the internet’s cries, for gen 2, Toyota doubled down on what made gen 1 great and fixed the issues it had. They ended up with an amazing car because of cost restraints and an understanding of what the 86 is suppose to be. The Supra is also a great successor to what made the OG Supra great. These rumors does not sound like Toyota would call it 86. They won’t pull what Honda did with the integra
really tired of people b*tching about how the 86 is underpowered, how it should of had turbo when it first came out, I hope 𝒊𝒇 this comes out it'll keep offering the NA version, like how when the OG 86 it was offered in levin and trueno model
Hopefully, for the last edition Supra, Toyota will build it themselves and not rebadge a BMW again. This will restore some dignity to the Supra nameplate and solidify its legacy.
Not exactly realistic at that point. That would require a lot of RnD for the car and associated tech, factory retooling to produce the car, and training of the staff, which are expensive.
Just let the 2.4 breathe. Give it a moderate and reasonable supercharger. Then simply improve the ability for the stock motor to handle the extra stress in compression. This is such grade one tech. Let the car be what it is as it will be the last of its kind. That 2.4 motor could push from 225 hp to 280hp with more torque. All this with little done to the heads and nothing given up in weight. Just makes perfect sense. But oh no…
I saw both the GR Yaris and the Crown at Miami Intl Auto Show. The Yaris looked like a cheap econobox boy racer with Ebay plastic aero peel and stick add ons. Target: parents buying a car for their kid to go to college. The Crown a Lumpy old style car to take place of Avalon on tall SUV tires. This car doesn't know if its a sedan or a chopped SUV with a trunk. Target: Baby Boomers that can't decide whether to get an SUV or a Sedan.
Feeling maybe GR86 Face lift first. This car sounds like an MR2 or something. If newer vers GR86 think 2027 sounds more likely. Interesting to hear though.
The current gr86 is great looking and the best value sports car right now. Livable for daily and is the ultimate track day car for the money. Don’t mess it up Toyota
I daily mine
If only they didn't use a Subaru motor. The mpg is horrendous for a 4 cyl
*and BRZ ... but yes definitely agree
They already messed it up by using a subaru engine😜
@@EdLo. it’s what makes the car great
If the next gen GR86 is still affordable, NA, available with a manual, and a liftback, I'd genuinely be interested in trading my manual Corolla hatch.
I just want to say that liftbacks are not that good for sportiness because they have to make a massive hole in the chassis, so it looses rigidity, the 86 is not a liftback in order to have that added rigidity in the chassis!
@@Bmontepeque11 that makes sense, explains why the Morizo edition GR Corolla removes the rear seats and adds a crossbar
@@supraeffective Yes! Exactly! That's why it has it!
Nah, the rumors state it'll be hybridized... 😑
@@Aglai76 I'll trust you as a legit source bro, thank you
They need to make a GRMN with brembos and some extras
Or a performance package
People will pay the extra 3k for it
Specially now that aftermarket parts are so expensive ,
Or like in Japan sell a very base car for people that wants to modify it
Subaru of Japan has a new oem sti brembo 6 pot front 4 pot rear option for the new wrx. It should be compatible with the gr86/brz.
2025 date sounds like Supra replacement. Maybe they are not happy with BMW co-op, or they realized there is market for 50k-sports car, but BMW won't continue Z4, so they have to come up with their own. They will keep GR86 till almost 2030's in some markets and then let it either die, or release something new. Either way, both cars would need completely new platform to accomodate hybrid powertrain.
KK is the go-to on my subscriptions list. Snappy news presentation and editing.
I'm sure this will never happen but of Toyota remade the Toyota Corolla ae86 with some modern upgrades but made the car look 90% or so retro. I'd buy that in a heartbeat!
I wish too but due to safety regulations, the designs of the past wouldn't pass for new production vehicles.
Current gen gr86 is beautiful, why change it so soon??? Would be nice to have a g16e power plant… but only a 3 year generation after the gts/gt86 had such a long run is odd.
The 2022+ model is techically a facelift so this isn't too outlandish to think
its to deal with emissions laws becomign stricter
personally I find a 2025 MY GR86 to be a little out of scope. A 3 year production cycle for the current gen is ridiculous, and a 5 year production span for the Supra is so short! Of course hoping none of this true as I guess this will make used prices skyrocket!!
Europe is going all EV by 2025. That is the reason why bmw might not make the supra anymore.
The typical production span usually is 6-7 years
The 3rd gen 86 is going to become what the MKV Supra should have been all along. Premium price tag, fast in it's class, bulletproof, 100% Japanese.
The best is yet to come
The best has already passed.
I wish Toyota would just go all in for performance. Even on the Lexus end there's no real high performance options. Make "F" great again! :D
Wish they would compete with brands like BMW and Porsche(Supra v 911, MR2 v 718)
@@phosimmie they won’t. Lexus performance is done. It’s over
maybe work with lor=tus who is working with alpine a110 makers, imagine if lotus elise final edition was smoother gearbox liek dual clucth etc, lighter, linear power and sound and sound would be more variant between rpm, probably better mpg etc. maybe thye should put kei car engine to charge elctric motor for perfectly smooth torque vectoring and immedeate torque etc, optional regen braking because linear response to driver input is inportant
@@naveenthemachine L
@@naveenthemachine oh naveenthemachine .you are a true buzz kill.😂.i mean lexus performance is not done and will only get better .dont take your personal life issues on a excellent brand for god sakes.👍
The way I see it, with the GR86 possibly putting out these numbers I think the supra is either going super car territory (or another alternative, maybe no more RC and the supra fills that spot instead?) or it’s gone and we’re getting a new Celica with maybe a sportier version of the eAWD corolla drivetrain.
Good points. I would wonder how a 2 powertrain Supra, a power-bumped GR86, and rumored Celica and/or MR2 would all fit into the market at the same time. Maybe the MR2 pulls a Miata and is Spyder only, and perhaps the Celica takes the spot of the current 86 but with a liftback and a bit more usability (maybe even lowered in power just to keep economies of scale going and ride out any production contract with Subaru)? Trouble there is then starting to brush elbows with the Corolla...
I imagine the 4 cylinder Supra gets dropped unless BMW has that in a contract as well.
@@markcoopers1930 yeah even without a hypothetical celica, Toyota is really padding out its sports car lineup. Since we’re seeing an ultra-small engine for the MR, maybe we don’t even get the mr2 in North America and they give us a new celica instead. If this 2025 GR86 gets the G16 then there really becomes no reason for the I4 supra. Maybe this is being introduced as a like GRMN86 and would replace the I4 Supra? Plus if it’s hybrid that would contribute to emissions requirements so it could make sense.
Damn I love hearing news like this. Speculating on the future of the auto industry is a lot of fun.
(Theoretical)
Future Lineup:
- MR2 (33k-60k)3 cylinder hybrid/4 cylinder hybrid/electric)
- Celica (29k-45k)3 cylinder/4 cylinder)maybe hybrid, 4 door?)
- Supra (55k-150k)6 cylinder)maybe hybrid)
- 86 (27k-40k)3 cylinder/hybrid)
Future Engines
- Turbo 4 Cylinder(300-415hp)
- Turbo 4 Cylinder hybrid(350-500hp)
- NA 4 Cylinder(225-300hp)
- NA 4 Cylinder hybrid(275-350hp)
- Turbo 3 Cylinder(300hp)
- Turbo 3 Cylinder hybrid(350-400hp)
- Turbo 6 Cylinder(550-660hp)
- Turbo 6 Cylinder hybrid(615-800hp)
I remember hearing something crazy that the supra was supposed to get hyper car treatment with a " toyota's twin turbo AWD V8"
or maybe this is the new celica and there is a confusion about the naming. The first rumors we heard about the celica involved the 3c engine from the gr yaris. This looks like it will have that engine.
So the last generation BRZ/GT-GR86 went for a full decade with no redesign but this generation (of a very low volume model) will last 3-4 model years? 🤔
Makes sense
Moving to the 3-cylinder turbo is *chef's kiss
Make it a 3cyl based off the Subaru 6 since its already in their toolbox . Take one head off and use the rods as "dummy" rods to balance the motor like a Ducati supermono . Then you have a 3cyl that is smooth and revs like a 6cyl . Decreasing the parts count drastically and going down to one head simplifies plumbing issues . ..move the battery down to where the missing head was to accentuate cg benefits .
I'm calling it 4th gen will be 2030 model year as an electric SUV
Yes! Performance/sport tuned hybrids. Take a well balanced chassis like the 86, a solid performing motor and a small electric system to help add a little bit extra instant power and ease the stress on the gas & turbo system. If there's one company that can do it..... After Acura..... It's Toyota.
i heard that hybirds are fast cars. is that true?
@@badboy-gn8fu They can be, there is no set rule. Depends on many factors and what the car is built to be. Hyundai Sonata, Hyundai Tucson, Toyota Camry, Rav 4 Hybrid and Rav 4 prime are all faster than their equivalent priced gas counterparts, but those cars are engineered for efficiency. May not be the case for others, these ones just happen to be.
Acura NSX was a hybrid supercar, designed for performance and it was pretty darn fast. Polestar 1 also a fast hybrid, but both of these were engineered specifically to be performance and engineering showcases. We have yet to see a proper hybrid powertrain be put into a proper sportscar chassis. Miata, 86, etc.
Older hybrids with older battery tech, probably not the case.
Very nice news comming from you Kirk
What ever happened to toyota and mazda using the inline six for a sedan or coupe? That would've been cool
Well it's not exactly like Toyota make an inline-6 either... The Supra is just a BMW Z4 rebadged... Though they could buy a BMW B58 from BMW for some other models, I wouldn't complain, it's one of the greatest inline-6 engines ever and unlike a lot of BMW engines it's pretty reliable too ...
maybe a competition for the upcoming acura integra type S
A few years ago, Toyota did unveil a hybrid coupe concept car based on the first gen BRZ/GT86 called the GR HV sports concept
Yes. I remember a black concept from the 2017 Tokyo Auto Show.
Toyota is doing so much stuff you can make a movie about this company
LoL Meanwhile in Australia we're only just getting the first of the GR86 delivered to customers this month 😅
Good job Kirk!😇🇯🇵
Hopefully an all Toyota motor this time. Love the car but not a fan of the flat 4.
Maybe Subaru should take the old 3.0 or 3.6 ...lop off one head and use the rods as "dummy" rods like a Ducati supermono ...a 3cyl that runs like a 6cyl ..definately a different exhaust note than the boxer 4 ...one head so easier to manufacture and plumb for turbo ...
Ok hear me out, the new mr2 is supposedly coming out in 2025. And I heard somewhere that in 2025 the 86 was being discontinued because there were some safety issues in Europe. That new mr2 is supposed to have an i3 and those power specs also match. Maybe it’s not an 86, maybe it’s that mr2
They better bring back those popup headlights goddamn it!
EU Emission regulations
would be nice to have inline 3 sound and lotus elise format
Well we heard this kind of news when the FR-S was coming back to the toyota line up as the GT86. I am expecting a few tweaks and a changing in the styling.
Fantastic to see that a next gen gr 86 is going to happen ❤. This gr 86 will replace the supra .Toyota nissan and mazda keeping japanese sports car alive.
This is not replacing the Supra the gr86 is so slow not as fun
@@rendelecollins7800 ITS THE CURRENT ONE. I AM TALKING ABOUT THE UPCOMING MODEL LOL.ALSO GR SUPRA IS COMING TO A END IN 2025 LOL.
Would like to see this powertrain in a new MR2.(300-400hp)
Also hope after 2025 they make an in-house Supra.
they could continue lotus elise final edition as alpine are also collaborating with lotus geely imagine if alpine a110 was lotus elise with better gearbox, more linear power delivery, more echong sound and vairance between rpm, higher rpm sound, lighter weight, smaller car etc
I'd be ok with a collab w yamaha :)
@@jameslowry3208 that’s most likely going to happen
nice to dream but this isn't possible, it would be too close to the supra which is their top tier sports car The mr2 was always supposed to be cheap (relatively)
It's much more likely to be put into a lexus IC
I traded my GR86 for a '23 Tacoma because mine kept getting too hot and after seeing many engines blowing and stuff I just went with a Tacoma again
Give me a turbo 3 and charge me $40k I will buy one.
Non hybrid plz
That yellow one, looks just terrific…..
I’ll buy one if they come with that design…
The way I see it, GR86 will run until 2030 while the rumored replacement will be more of Supra, which is due to end in 2025. Moreover, Lexus RC and LC, have been in production for quite sometime. Thus the rummored ñew car can be shared between two brands.
Its also posible, that Lexus will used this model.
I wonder if these small volume cars will be axed so that Toyota can put more resources into EVs. I hope we keep the GR86.
the owner just said that he doesnt want EVs
I would imagine that they would love to break some records before new gas combustion cars are gone. Their last years could be there best years for sports cars.
If the design stays true to the renders, I'll buy
I think what best car means by powertrain similar to the crown is an electric motor sandwiched between the engine and a wet clutch transmission
Hybrids are underrated
we should not have jumped over hybrid striaght to electric.
@@KC-lg8qf Hybrids are the sweet spot with the technology of today and near-mid term future.
@@N20Joe agreed!
I was very surprised to learn that the Corolla Hybrid sedan is the same curb weight as the GR86
Hi Kirk, I am 100% interested if this sports car is a 100% Toyota product like GR Yaris and GR Corolla 😁
Hope it come with Inline 4 made by Toyota...
All I can say, it better have a manual
and there better be a non hybrid version
The lightweight 3 cylinder GR motor is a great start.
Then maybe light hybrid and maybe hybrid AWD ala Prius style in the future as an option.
Have Subaru dig through their parts bin ...pull out the old 3.6 6cyl ....take off one head and use the connecting rods as "dummy" rods to balance . Then you have a low cg 3cyl that runs smooth like a 6cyl . The parts count is greatly reduced ...assembly simplified ...turbo plumbing becomes much simpler ...
The 2022 GR86 is an exercise in frustration: if Toyota took the basic body shell and put in a high-revving 4-cylinder NA engine rather than the RTV disaster from Subaru, that would make it a much better car. FR, high-revving NA, 6-speed manual and a genuine reliable Toyota engine and I would buy it.
talking about the hybrid system from the crown, then about the 3c engine from the gr yaris makes me believe that it might be a confusion about the name of the car. In reality, this could be the new celica gr4, hybrid set-up, 300+ hp, awd.
They already know the GR Corolla engine fits in the current GR86. I think they just do that. It makes the most sense. I would rather that with some better brakes, adaptive dampers, wider tires, and since dreaming a nicer interior, than a hybrid setup.
Yeah I'm not buying a hybrid sports car. That by definition makes it exponentially more difficult for tuning & wrenching at home
and it will be $40-50k
Could this be the Celica based on the Lexus IC chassis which is already RWD bias? ... If BMW partnership is no longer they should move the Supra name to something based on the LC500 chassis.
Love your videos and thank you for allowing us to keep up with Toyota news. This sounds good.
There is a turbo charged version pof m20 called s20 for chinese market they could probably use that for gt86 though doubt it
if these rumors are true.......the price is going to jump.
As long as it doesn’t look like the car in the thumbnail we should be good
Ngl i hope this is just a concept design and will be changed coz id love to see a futuristic design but not such a bloated one
Lexus IS platform is heavy. Not sure if this 86 will be as light then.
I swear if this another thing about the turbo inline 4 test model... There was one during the first gen as well. It's not a sign of much for the platform, it's probably their best platform to test new small performance engines however.
Give it a Toyota engine!
If Toyota is going to use a hybrid for a new 86, I hope they put the electric motor in the rear of the car to even out the weight distribution, and push to keep the weight at 3000 pounds or less. Putting the electric motor at the rear should improve the weight distribution (currently about 55/45) and keeping the weight down should keep the handling intact.
I wouldn't shed any tears over losing the Subaru flat-4 motor. The new one sounds better than Gen 1, but the sound is still unattractive and rough.
Love the gen 2 pokemon starter pic in the beginning haha
if I had to guess, this is most likely not gonna happen. None of it. Not the hybrid or the redesign at 2025. it first of all would go against what the gr86 is even about lmao, and they also would definitely not redesign it this soon.
If the “new” 86 was built off of the IS platform it would be more of an actual successor to the old Corolla. It would also be quite poetic too, being that the engineer who started the IS/Altezza line is the same one who lead the Corolla AE86 project.
@@MaddNomad1015 cept that the is is more for sedans and are the 3000+ pound cars
Didn't know that a generation can run shorter than the 9th gen Civic did
Manufacturers used to redesign every 4 years except for flagship vehicles
I’m not surprised. Toyota forgot how to make sports cars so the GR products are partnering with other brands that still have sports car operations. These next iterations will most likely be Toyota manufactured 💯
Not liking the new thin headlight design and front end of the Toyotas lately particularly the bz styled ones.
Hope they do something about the rtv issue
Probably mild hybrid like the 6mt Fiat 500. However in that car all it did was give me extra bite for low rpm use.
Is the Lexus IS getting a next generation on a all new platform? If so, would it be EV only or have a range of engines
Looks intriguing, but at 2025 I hope I would have saved enough to switch my GR86 for a Lexus.
If It is indeed a hybrid with over 300 horse power. I might be considering this my next vehicle even though typically I'm not a 2 door guy.
Toyota is going through great times rn. Honda take notes!
It was very interesting that the GR86 would have more power now with a Turbo hybrid engine. I hope that they continue to be RWD and have a 6MT available for us enthusiasts.
The new external design doesn't look that engaging; hopefully, the production car looks better.
Is this true? The 2nd-gen GR 86 has just been released and an all-new generation is already coming soon?
I also heard that the GR86 will be discontinued after 2025. I hope it’s wrong. I definitely wouldn’t pay $44,000 for a GR86. $30,000 to $35,000 is a decent price range but not $44,000.
I hope Toyota makes a gr86 with the G16-E (3 Cyl Turbo) no hybrid . That would keep the price down and make it simpler.
Front end looks way better in that concept, I hate the current gen body style from the front, first gen was better.
I hope they don't make it a hybrid and simply put the 1.6L turbo in it would make for an amazing car that's the way id buy it coming from a gr86 owner
If they can add the new GR Corolla engine to the current gr86 chassis at a affordable price that would be fantastic
Gosh, I hope it doesn’t look anything like that, especially the front! The ‘16 FRS I had looked okay and the newer GR86 looks great in my opinion but this?!!
do you anticipate that there will be a hybrid manual transmission?
I still wish they made a convertible version of it.
Mx5
@@EdLo. Doesn't have the HP of the 86/BRZ
@@thebackstabber9272 true... it is like 300lbs lighter tho
To get a 3rd gen GR86 if Toyota and Subaru are going to go their separate ways and there's not to be another BRZ after this generation for Subaru, a GR86 on the Lexus RC platform would be the closest platform for a third generation GR86 with GR Yaris/GR Corolla engine 1.6T 3-cylinder engine.
I don't think 86 fans would be anywhere near upset by that. Everybody that's complaining about not getting a turbocharged GR86, if it's being put into development in Japan right now to be ready in the next 4 years, you better be ready for it, even if it means going mild hybrid while still trying to find ways to be lightweight.
If the next gen GR86 is to be on some next gen Lexus RC platform using a mild hybrid setup with the 1.6T engine and 6-speed manual while retaining RWD, you better take it for what it is even if it's going to cost more than the current gen GR86. Be grateful if this is happening for you 86 fans, but always wanted it to be turbocharged. It sounds like a grain of salt, but it appears insiders with connections for Toyota Japan know more than insiders with connections for Toyota USA ever would.
2025 GR86 will be larger and heavier. It's going away of that back to basics Miata competitor vibe. It'll be in the more upper luxury GT cruiser category. For sure that's what all those wanting the car to have turbo ( and now plus hybrid ) are asking for a long time.
I mean the 86 always had more similarities to a Celica as far as styling and things go.
The 3rd gen 86 is going to become what the MKV Supra should have been all along. Premium price tag, fast in it's class, bulletproof, 100% Japanese.
We dont want no hybrid! !
The powertrain would not be that robust. It would overtake the Supra.
2nd gen is the best Pokemon generation!
Hope they have fix the engine blowing up issues by then.
If they add a hybrid system in it. It won't be a lightweight sportcar anymore. Batteries plus electric motors (even they are small) can push the weight well pass 3000lbs.
TOYOTA, i am in! The most likely scenario is that supra 2.0 will be discarded, while supra 3.0 will get 400+ hp or maybe toyota will use some in-home engine suitable for hybridization
Am I the only one who think that they should make a corolla coupe hybrid, awd drive, sell it for 22k to 25k and call it a day? They did that with the old celica and the corolla hybrid fwd was faster than i expected. Maybe tune it a bit more to get more power and less efficiency. That would be awesome!
I hope it just a other option or something I really hope they keep the current gr86
Despite the internet’s cries, for gen 2, Toyota doubled down on what made gen 1 great and fixed the issues it had. They ended up with an amazing car because of cost restraints and an understanding of what the 86 is suppose to be. The Supra is also a great successor to what made the OG Supra great. These rumors does not sound like Toyota would call it 86. They won’t pull what Honda did with the integra
I don't think you understand what a 86 is. lol
really tired of people b*tching about how the 86 is underpowered, how it should of had turbo when it first came out, I hope 𝒊𝒇 this comes out it'll keep offering the NA version, like how when the OG 86 it was offered in levin and trueno model
Honestly they should’ve called it something else anyways
supra i4 didnt get MT. so they owe us this and i rather take that 3-cylinder turbo even if it is slower than 400z or supra i6.
Hopefully, for the last edition Supra, Toyota will build it themselves and not rebadge a BMW again. This will restore some dignity to the Supra nameplate and solidify its legacy.
Not exactly realistic at that point. That would require a lot of RnD for the car and associated tech, factory retooling to produce the car, and training of the staff, which are expensive.
Why not use the 2.5 out of the Camry and make it RWD? Maybe more power and sacrifice some mpg?
For me the 2.4 turbo version makes no sense. I would make:
1. G16E WITHOUT hybrid
2. M20A-FKS with hybrid
I just want the SF-R.
Just let the 2.4 breathe. Give it a moderate and reasonable supercharger. Then simply improve the ability for the stock motor to handle the extra stress in compression.
This is such grade one tech. Let the car be what it is as it will be the last of its kind.
That 2.4 motor could push from 225 hp to 280hp with more torque. All this with little done to the heads and nothing given up in weight. Just makes perfect sense.
But oh no…
I saw both the GR Yaris and the Crown at Miami Intl Auto Show. The Yaris looked like a cheap econobox boy racer with Ebay plastic aero peel and stick add ons. Target: parents buying a car for their kid to go to college. The Crown a Lumpy old style car to take place of Avalon on tall SUV tires. This car doesn't know if its a sedan or a chopped SUV with a trunk. Target: Baby Boomers that can't decide whether to get an SUV or a Sedan.
Make a convertible option Toyota! We all can’t afford an LC500
Love my GR86, however Bestcar is very unreliable.
Great news, put an actual reliable inline or v4 engine in it.
If they put the direct shift 10 speed in this, i WILL buy it. that is the deal maker/breaker for me
why do you want a 10 speed auto in a 86? just buy a m4 or something
Kirk, the A100 GR Supra will happen.
Feeling maybe GR86 Face lift first. This car sounds like an MR2 or something. If newer vers GR86 think 2027 sounds more likely. Interesting to hear though.