A correction on the translation: At 0:24, Okayu says "これこそ初恋って感じだけどなぁ…", which means "This is *actually* the feeling of a first love". The これこそ is because someone earlier in the stream (Subaru, iirc?) described their food as being like a first love, and Okayu was saying "No, my food is *more* like a first love [than Subaru's]". So then at 0:27, Subaru's tsukkomi is "初恋マウント！", or "Hatsukoi mount!". The "mount" here is slang derived from the behavior of animals showing dominance: it's used in common conversation to mean something like someone is acting smug or engaging in one-up-manship. So Subaru's saying "She's one-upping me on the hatsukoi description!"
I think Subaru says 初恋マウント which I interpret as a "contest" of which is the most 初恋, but I could be wrong Also Aqua's guess is "Koala's March", (マーチ) not "Koala's Match" (マッチ)
Me, listening with an open mind: Okay, we're starting off a bit on the dramatic side, but maybe it'll all come together later... Me, later: Okayu, what the hell are you talking about?
I watched this live, and while it was amusing as hell to watch, I was actually more drawn to how "clean" Mio's stream was. Like, technically. She always goes above and beyond with models, placement, animations, and organization. She's just awesome, and it's why I joined her monthly subscription. Plus, how can you not fall for that laugh?
There was a time when Mio felt like she was falling behind and didn't have a way to shine in Hololive. Since then, I think she has decided that her "thing" is going to be coming up with fun games that lots of people can play, and putting effort into layouts, scenarios, and graphics, and being a good game master & host. And I think that was a really good choice, cause she's great at it!
It's amazing how dynamic her contents are now. And yes, her laugh and wheeze makes me go Awwwww everytime I even have this pic of her bright smile as my laptop's lockscreen: twitter.com/inre_kemomimi/status/1261914400190939138?s=19&fbclid=IwAR36oFQNo3Q9dGdxboYaW0G1XSeKqmxcuu3nDRXejSFxlq0eodwpv62Vl_8
She's mama wolf, gotta take care of the cubs. Her streams can never be as energy-packed as other V-tubers, but you watch it to chill and relax. Truly miso soup
True. I think after her breakdown last december (when she confessed on stream that she found herself to be bland and flavourless compared to the others) she and her manager seriously started rethinking the way she approached her work and place in Hololive, and it seems that she found out that her very own "flavour" was to bring out the "flavours" of her friends. She has been hosting a lot of those creative talk shows and collab games and it seems that they're quite popular with the viewers. It's always nice to see hard work rewarded.
My thought process: "smell is cute" oh, something sweet? "immature and innocent" something they eat at school? "you can choose to eat it from the top or the bottom" lucky star taught me this one! is it korone?? "you can lick the bottom part" well, if the wide part of the korone is the bottom, this works. "it's soft and you can bite it" korone is soft. "1:3 tsundere" could still be korone. "date her when she grows up" no comment. "as long as a finger" aw, not korone... but did someone say FINGER?? "thigh highs" not korone.
Aqua's reaction at 2:50 killed me The images to the side help a lot w reading the translations, thanks for the hard work! Edit: I just finished the rest of the video and all of Aqua's reactions killed me
Her descriptions are spot on though lol Feeling of first love = all sorts of sweet(strawberry + choco), smell of innocence = reminiscent of childhood, may feel frozen but as it melts you'll find it's very sweet = literally Truly a poet Also it seems like Okayu prefers starting from the strawberry side of Apollo
What made it obvious for me was the thigh highs part. It really helps you visualize, the split of the stocking and bare skin has the same appeal as the split of the strawberry and choco parts.
srsly even Subaru turns out to have study abroad, Korone graduated from Japanese top univ and.. yeah since they're all japanese and they're asian.. 100% they all those smart people who is better than us lol.
The difference is fairly small. "Lover" is someone with whom you are physically intimate but have no romantic connection to, and "mistress" is a woman with whom you are physically intimate with despite having a spouse or other serious relationship. In context, I think either one is acceptable.
@@bastard9763 What? Really? Maybe it's because I'm ESL but this is the first that I've heard about this. I assumed that "lover" refers to someone you're dating with emphasize on the romantic aspect than physical aspect. It's actually the opposite??
@@bastard9763 No, lover does not necessarily mean that. Your romantic partner in a relationship is your lover. But you can have many lovers, which can imply that they are not as special as your significant other or spouse or whatever. Lover does simply not convey thhe same thing mistress does. Mistress is clear cut and exactly the word Okayu uses every time when talking about Aqua. Lover could be misleading.
Her explanation was really amazing though. Such deep profound explanation, reminds me of how cooking animes explain their stuff except this one was way better.
First thought was the choco-bread Konata eats in the first episode of Lucky Star. I smells of innocence, you can start by the top or botoom, it melts...
That;s why Okayu says that only Aqua could be the lover, it already implies she has someone else and Aqua only can be a side dish or a desert. We all know it's Korone the main dish for Okayu. xD
🤘😎 ☕.. Yeah, love to see your reactions.. hehe, 😉 👍 By the way good morning, thanks for sharing your thoughts and I understand that. Anyway just listening here a peaceful music 💀🤘🤘🎸🎸🔥🔥🎧🎶 while drinking hot coffee, okay people take your time.
Decided to put my thinking cap on and try to guess what snack Okayu was talking about. It starts with Okayu opening a package. That in of itself is a hint, I think. "The smell is that of first love / cuteness / innocence." For some reason I only focused on the innocence part and thought of babies, which led to the thought of diapers, and since the smell obviously wasn't stinky, it would have to be fresh diapers, so maybe the snack smells like baby powder? But I don't know what baby powder smells like. My next thought was of fresh laundry, before being worn. Fabric softener probably gives such articles the strongest, most pleasant smell. But I don't use fabric softener for my clothes, so I don't know what that smells like either. Ultimately, I ended up ignoring this hint. "You can choose to eat from the top or the bottom." ...Go-Gurt? That's the only thing I can think of where it doesn't matter which side you begin from. (As long as you don't cut both ends.) "The bottom part is like melting, and after it melts, you'll find it very sweet." Well, Go-Gurt can be frozen, so I guess that makes sense. Pretty sure I have the wrong snack, though, since there's no difference between the top and the bottom in Go-Gurt. Not sure what else it could be, though. "The sound is not crispy or hard, it's soft." You mean the sound it makes when you eat it? Okay, makes sense. Go-Gurt is soft, after all. "It's delicious to lick it." That's congruent. "It's also fine to bite it." ...When it's frozen, yeah. Gonna ignore Okayu's teen girl analogy because I've never been in a relationship and I have no idea what to pull from that. "It's as long as a forefinger." Okay, then it can't be Go-Gurt. So, what's as long as a forefinger, has a clear top and bottom (like that matters since it'd clearly be bite-sized), is soft, can be either licked or bitten, and comes in a package? "It's like in the teenage time, the emotion of thigh highs." Okay, I am seriously lost here. What even are "thigh highs"? (I looked them up after this, and while I guess I now know what Okayu is getting at, it brings me no closer to arriving at an answer than before.) Ultimately, I thought the most fitting answer was gummy bears. ...And of course it would be some Japanese snack I've never heard of. I don't know what I was expecting.
In the stream I find Towa and Kanata is not talking to much, and Subaru break the awkwardness and make a chance to let them have a conversation with everyone. (Idk, just my thought)
A note on the translation: the sweets Aqua guesses, 'Koala no Maachi', is translated as 'Koala's March'. They're small biscuit sweets with chocolate on the inside and each one has a koala drawn on the front in a variety of poses.
Isn't it "Koala's March" not "Koala's Matches?" I think Aqua was thinking of those little Koala-shaped filled biscuit sweets! (Great vid btw, this is such a fun interaction and I'm glad I could watch it thanks to you!)
Shuraba is a term usually used in harem anime, where multiple girls fight for the male main character. Now it seems Shuraba can refer to love conflicts involving a lover. In the video, since Okayu says Aqua can only be her lover (which implies she has another person as her pair), this love conflict is called Shuraba by Kanata
To be a bit more tropey, it's also often translated as "love carnage". The scene of carnage of a battle between women over a lover. Though it's kinda not applicable here because the main love interest (Korone) isnt here to fight with the mistress (Aqua). lol
AHHH so that was the name of that chocolate? Here in my country, whenever you go theres always these boxes of chocolate labelled in japanese, and one of those is the said Apollo choco, Okayu's descriptions were nice, and it's actually strawberry + dark chocolate, depending on the color. Go search it up lol
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A correction on the translation:
At 0:24, Okayu says "これこそ初恋って感じだけどなぁ…", which means "This is *actually* the feeling of a first love". The これこそ is because someone earlier in the stream (Subaru, iirc?) described their food as being like a first love, and Okayu was saying "No, my food is *more* like a first love [than Subaru's]".
So then at 0:27, Subaru's tsukkomi is "初恋マウント！", or "Hatsukoi mount!". The "mount" here is slang derived from the behavior of animals showing dominance: it's used in common conversation to mean something like someone is acting smug or engaging in one-up-manship. So Subaru's saying "She's one-upping me on the hatsukoi description!"
Nah, i think its Towa using "first love"
@@bachphanxuan2887 towa's came after, aqua was first to use love as a comparison
also want to add about the lover* Aijin is Mistress 愛人 iirc
I think Subaru says 初恋マウント which I interpret as a "contest" of which is the most 初恋, but I could be wrong
Also Aqua's guess is "Koala's March", (マーチ) not "Koala's Match" (マッチ)
McDucky 5:19 Okayu is saying "an emotion with 2 layers" 「二層(にそう)の感情」Atleast to me it doesn't sound like she's saying ニーソ which means thigh high socks.
"i prefer to start from the bottom"
-Nekomata Okayu 2020
Sasuga okayu
but she’ll eventually make it to the top..
"You can eat it from top or bottom"
*Lucky star flashbacks*
_shes eating korone_ jk
I WAS THINKING OF THAT TOO
every time Mio appears:
- Someone: *talks*
- Mio: AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHA
i like her
Me, listening with an open mind: Okay, we're starting off a bit on the dramatic side, but maybe it'll all come together later...
Me, later: Okayu, what the hell are you talking about?
Yeah. I was in the comments looking for an explanation.
@@frederikbuttenschn7562 look at a picture of apollo chocos with a bit of a lewd mind and it all maks sense.
Yeah, I had the image in mind but couldn't remember the name...
I'm glad I turned out to be right, that had some nostalgia value lol
Other : this is a food report right?
Aqua : eh? Its a marriage interview
I think Mio frequently hosts a collab like this just to have good laughs for herself
And we love her laugh
Thats why she always invite Subaru.
She knows daily spicy wheezing miso soup is best for us all.
I watched this live, and while it was amusing as hell to watch, I was actually more drawn to how "clean" Mio's stream was. Like, technically. She always goes above and beyond with models, placement, animations, and organization. She's just awesome, and it's why I joined her monthly subscription. Plus, how can you not fall for that laugh?
There was a time when Mio felt like she was falling behind and didn't have a way to shine in Hololive. Since then, I think she has decided that her "thing" is going to be coming up with fun games that lots of people can play, and putting effort into layouts, scenarios, and graphics, and being a good game master & host. And I think that was a really good choice, cause she's great at it!
It's amazing how dynamic her contents are now. And yes, her laugh and wheeze makes me go Awwwww everytime
I even have this pic of her bright smile as my laptop's lockscreen: twitter.com/inre_kemomimi/status/1261914400190939138?s=19&fbclid=IwAR36oFQNo3Q9dGdxboYaW0G1XSeKqmxcuu3nDRXejSFxlq0eodwpv62Vl_8
She's mama wolf, gotta take care of the cubs. Her streams can never be as energy-packed as other V-tubers, but you watch it to chill and relax. Truly miso soup
no other vtuber wheezes like she does, it is honestly making whatever she's laughing about 100 times funnier^^
True. I think after her breakdown last december (when she confessed on stream that she found herself to be bland and flavourless compared to the others) she and her manager seriously started rethinking the way she approached her work and place in Hololive, and it seems that she found out that her very own "flavour" was to bring out the "flavours" of her friends. She has been hosting a lot of those creative talk shows and collab games and it seems that they're quite popular with the viewers. It's always nice to see hard work rewarded.
Towa-sama understanding eating from the bottom and delighting in the fact that it's soft via moan is a new kind of Towa that's even more devilish...
Sio must be notified immediately.
My thought process:
"smell is cute" oh, something sweet?
"immature and innocent" something they eat at school?
"you can choose to eat it from the top or the bottom" lucky star taught me this one! is it korone??
"you can lick the bottom part" well, if the wide part of the korone is the bottom, this works.
"it's soft and you can bite it" korone is soft.
"1:3 tsundere" could still be korone.
"date her when she grows up" no comment.
"as long as a finger" aw, not korone... but did someone say FINGER??
"thigh highs" not korone.
Actually in a 3D stream okayu is touching korone and slapping her tush from time to time and it seems korone as a slim torso but good thighs
I guessed the actual snack before it got revealed
That bread in lucky star is my only guess...
Why is this so relatable
I JUST REALIZED It's called Korone!
Aqua getting trigger when Okayu mention type of girl she like 🤣🤣🤣
Sorry Aqua you can only be mistress 😆
Thumbnail: Exists
Korone: Angry Korone noises
Aqua's reaction at 2:50 killed me
The images to the side help a lot w reading the translations, thanks for the hard work!
Edit: I just finished the rest of the video and all of Aqua's reactions killed me
本当？！
Ey mate, u okay?
Negative, he's death
It would be nice if the images on the side were in the same order as their faces along the bottom, but I agree it was a nice addition.
I swear aqua is always the only one answering something different from everyone else
It's Glorious to see a lewd Okayu
Wait until you see MariOka
0:48 aww Aqua losing it in the background that's so sweet
Idk if I'd call it sweet, but it's definitely something 🤣
Aqua mating call
Hahahaha oh you guys 😂 i find weird/ugly laughs cute so i guess that's why i think it's sweet
I have so much respect for Okayu’s trolling, she’s way too good at it.
Her descriptions are spot on though lol
Feeling of first love = all sorts of sweet(strawberry + choco), smell of innocence = reminiscent of childhood, may feel frozen but as it melts you'll find it's very sweet = literally
Truly a poet
Also it seems like Okayu prefers starting from the strawberry side of Apollo
What made it obvious for me was the thigh highs part. It really helps you visualize, the split of the stocking and bare skin has the same appeal as the split of the strawberry and choco parts.
The bottom would be the chocolate side
srsly even Subaru turns out to have study abroad, Korone graduated from Japanese top univ and.. yeah since they're all japanese and they're asian.. 100% they all those smart people who is better than us lol.
Aqua's perseverance is inspiring, but she needs to let it go, man. That cat has been collared already by a local dog
A certain 1 mil subs doggo with strange Addiction for fingers.
I love everytime Aqua hamgs out with Okayu she hyperventilates
I really like Okayu's ability to confuse people in a very calm way
okayu, the harem protagonist queen, and her love life.
she really is quite a poetic writer, though.
Okayu do be smooth at the end though
"No cat anywhere, ever gave anyone a straight answer."
"Aijin" I think is more closer to "Mistress" , as for lover it could be interpreted in many way.
Nonetheless thanks for translating this.
I agree with this. Lover is a bad translation of 「愛人」mistress is significantly better.
The difference is fairly small. "Lover" is someone with whom you are physically intimate but have no romantic connection to, and "mistress" is a woman with whom you are physically intimate with despite having a spouse or other serious relationship. In context, I think either one is acceptable.
@@bastard9763 Yeah lover is still acceptable. As in illicit interpretation.
@@bastard9763 What? Really? Maybe it's because I'm ESL but this is the first that I've heard about this. I assumed that "lover" refers to someone you're dating with emphasize on the romantic aspect than physical aspect. It's actually the opposite??
@@bastard9763 No, lover does not necessarily mean that. Your romantic partner in a relationship is your lover. But you can have many lovers, which can imply that they are not as special as your significant other or spouse or whatever.
Lover does simply not convey thhe same thing mistress does. Mistress is clear cut and exactly the word Okayu uses every time when talking about Aqua. Lover could be misleading.
Her explanation was really amazing though. Such deep profound explanation, reminds me of how cooking animes explain their stuff except this one was way better.
lol Aqua always got the correct answer first,
and then switch to the wrong one
I swear Okayu is just too perfect of a girl, you feel you're not worthy of being her boyfriend
That's why she has Korone
Looking up the picture of Apollo Chocolate, I kinda get where she is coming from somehow
Okayu is a woman of culture
First thought was the choco-bread Konata eats in the first episode of Lucky Star.
I smells of innocence, you can start by the top or botoom, it melts...
Subaru is such a snappy witty person. Perfect 👌 for game show events like this.
0:49 Is that Aqua who sounds like she’s dying in the background?
Typical Baqua noises
squeaky door hinge
okayu wink killed me
Towa and her defective robot moment killed me, lmao. 4:42 😂
Now this was a treat. Thanks for the translation!!!
Aqua is always the odd one out. Sagusa Baqua. Aqua with her 3 IQ never ceases to entertain me
6:30 oi okayu that wink means your lying
>.>
Okayu describing the snack as a true gourmet
Jeez, okayu! What a perv!😂
Poor Aqua heartbreaking again lol
I clicked for the wheezing wolf. Will never ever regret.
there's one in one of my clips lul
Nah, I ship to Okayu-chan and Korone-chan.. They may be Cat and Dog but they're kinda look so sweet when they are pairing each other.
No need to ship a ship that has already sailed
That;s why Okayu says that only Aqua could be the lover, it already implies she has someone else and Aqua only can be a side dish or a desert. We all know it's Korone the main dish for Okayu. xD
And what about the. 😅 MARIO KART?
It must be a limited time only
🤘😎 ☕.. Yeah, love to see your reactions.. hehe, 😉 👍 By the way good morning, thanks for sharing your thoughts and I understand that. Anyway just listening here a peaceful music 💀🤘🤘🎸🎸🔥🔥🎧🎶 while drinking hot coffee, okay people take your time.
I've had those before but i never knew they were called Apollo Chocolate. This snack game is some big brain stuff.
After the huge hint I got even more confused, but that wink is so good, thanks for translating! :p
6:30
Okayu actally called Aqua, BAQUA.
And here I thought it was only a meme called by western fans LOL.
I'm pretty sure Korone would have guessed that the moment she said "Innocence." :3
Pretty sure it's Koala's March, a type of cute koala-ish shaped biscuit shell with flavoured fillings inside it. A very nostalgic snack indeed
Decided to put my thinking cap on and try to guess what snack Okayu was talking about.
It starts with Okayu opening a package. That in of itself is a hint, I think.
"The smell is that of first love / cuteness / innocence." For some reason I only focused on the innocence part and thought of babies, which led to the thought of diapers, and since the smell obviously wasn't stinky, it would have to be fresh diapers, so maybe the snack smells like baby powder? But I don't know what baby powder smells like. My next thought was of fresh laundry, before being worn. Fabric softener probably gives such articles the strongest, most pleasant smell. But I don't use fabric softener for my clothes, so I don't know what that smells like either. Ultimately, I ended up ignoring this hint.
"You can choose to eat from the top or the bottom." ...Go-Gurt? That's the only thing I can think of where it doesn't matter which side you begin from. (As long as you don't cut both ends.)
"The bottom part is like melting, and after it melts, you'll find it very sweet." Well, Go-Gurt can be frozen, so I guess that makes sense. Pretty sure I have the wrong snack, though, since there's no difference between the top and the bottom in Go-Gurt. Not sure what else it could be, though.
"The sound is not crispy or hard, it's soft." You mean the sound it makes when you eat it? Okay, makes sense. Go-Gurt is soft, after all.
"It's delicious to lick it." That's congruent. "It's also fine to bite it." ...When it's frozen, yeah.
Gonna ignore Okayu's teen girl analogy because I've never been in a relationship and I have no idea what to pull from that.
"It's as long as a forefinger." Okay, then it can't be Go-Gurt. So, what's as long as a forefinger, has a clear top and bottom (like that matters since it'd clearly be bite-sized), is soft, can be either licked or bitten, and comes in a package?
"It's like in the teenage time, the emotion of thigh highs." Okay, I am seriously lost here. What even are "thigh highs"? (I looked them up after this, and while I guess I now know what Okayu is getting at, it brings me no closer to arriving at an answer than before.)
Ultimately, I thought the most fitting answer was gummy bears.
...And of course it would be some Japanese snack I've never heard of. I don't know what I was expecting.
At least u tried... Good luck next time
Everyone: Apollo choco 3x
Aqua: Koalas matches
Okayu'ssuch a cat she's even a trolly bastard when describing a snack.
I would say the feeling of having a teenage girl can only be felt by their parents
2:10 Towa Moanya
I would've guessed a chocolate bar regardless of how much time I had to guess it..
Mostly because that's the only snack I've seen that melts~
having the subs come up next to the portraits on the left rather than over their heads was a clever way of decluttering
That Mio laughs always gets me 🤣
Bakqua was sweating the entire time lol
Better than Japanese TV. Everything isn't just すごい、うまい、美味しい
My little poetic cat cant be this cute
I hear korone from distance
In the stream I find Towa and Kanata is not talking to much, and Subaru break the awkwardness and make a chance to let them have a conversation with everyone. (Idk, just my thought)
that gatling wink attack is destructive
Korone: *Are you sure about that*
I actually got it right lmao
That brought back some nostalgia...
Wow! You are the first one guessing it right in my comments ww. You must have a vast knowledge of snacks
A note on the translation: the sweets Aqua guesses, 'Koala no Maachi', is translated as 'Koala's March'. They're small biscuit sweets with chocolate on the inside and each one has a koala drawn on the front in a variety of poses.
Yes you are right. Matches and March have similar pronounciation in Japanese so I misunderstood it. Sorry for the mistranslation
I think the food was Koala's March? The Koala head shaped crackers with chocolate/milk/strawberry filling.
Koala no Machi....I love eating it since my childhood.aqua bless you 🙏
I think okayu stopped describing the snack midway
I felt like I was reading Lolita...
this video contain 90% mio laughs
I think the snack that aqua said is not koala matches, but koala march
2:49 Aqua taking notes.
Isn't it "Koala's March" not "Koala's Matches?" I think Aqua was thinking of those little Koala-shaped filled biscuit sweets! (Great vid btw, this is such a fun interaction and I'm glad I could watch it thanks to you!)
There seems to be no context about the definition of Shuraba? Wats it mean?
It's equivalent to a lovers' quarrel.
Shuraba is a term usually used in harem anime, where multiple girls fight for the male main character. Now it seems Shuraba can refer to love conflicts involving a lover. In the video, since Okayu says Aqua can only be her lover (which implies she has another person as her pair), this love conflict is called Shuraba by Kanata
Thanks for clarifying!
To be a bit more tropey, it's also often translated as "love carnage". The scene of carnage of a battle between women over a lover.
Though it's kinda not applicable here because the main love interest (Korone) isnt here to fight with the mistress (Aqua). lol
@@yukimarisnowball9056 okakoro indeed
this was hilarious, thanks for the tl
i think its supposed to be koala's march instead of matches, we have those over here, great video tho!
marry korone, or there will be witch hunts.
I though of... chocolate cones. I was kind of right.
Off topic a bit but Subaru's voice is so different here, my gosh XD
Thanks for the sub
Thank you so much for subbing, Okayu is always funny and weird ♥️
So easy for me to read . Awesome
Its was that chocolate pan that looks like a cone I forgot what it's called
I thought it was something like Cadbury milk chocolate fingers.
6:00 asch conformality theory strikes again...i think thats the one anyway
koalas march hmmm i like that
AHHH so that was the name of that chocolate? Here in my country, whenever you go theres always these boxes of chocolate labelled in japanese, and one of those is the said Apollo choco, Okayu's descriptions were nice, and it's actually strawberry + dark chocolate, depending on the color. Go search it up lol
They should include Roa in these program, her description of snack smells going to her nose is top notch narrative content
For the record, Okayu called her Baqua
there seems to be an error in the aqua's choice.... it should be koalas march which are chocolate filled cookies
Yes officer, this cat right here
When you try too hard to be the cool mysterious girl of the group.
I'm guessing that's a choco cornet that Konata ate. :3
At 2:50 I bet Aqua grabbed the nearest pencil and paper and started taking notes but then at 3:38 she threw it away
I can hear Megalovania far away from here....
Probably "Toge Toge(トゲトゲ)" means kind of aggressive
Pls hug the stressed out oni0n! 🤣
Koala's March is a pretty good sweet, I'm not sure what Koala's Matches is.
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Bruh she describing Korone
...then she wasn't