Death guard don't get to shoot heavy weapons post disembarking without penalty, unfortunately. Disembarking counts as "special movement" per the LA rule for DG. Still, the vehicle bonuses are worth considering!
Great video - thanks! Just building a new 1500 heresy list for an introductory event and I like the idea of being able to run my HQ as a Sicaran so the armoured spearhead is looking interesting!
Start of the players first turn. So if opponant blows up a rhino and doesnt kill all your dudes inside, on the start of your turn as there's no transport for them they'll die.
I will build a armored Claw of the Night Lords with the Armored Spearhead RoW. A Sicaran as a Warlord, a Tartaros Librarian with five Contekar in a Spartan, two Despoiler Squads in Land Raiders, two Tactical Squads in Rhinos, two Predators fully equiped with Lascanons and two Predators with all of the Volkite. Then two Apothecaries for the Despoilers and two Tech Marines with the Tacticals. Sounds very cool to me, the lore of the Carandara armored claw was very inspirational :D
I am kicking off with Iron Warriors and wanted to go in with Brethren of Iron to maximise the robots - Iron Circle Domitar alongside Vorax and Castellax....... Plus my Praetor will upgrade to a Warsmith to keep it all in theme too.
im currently make a load of allied detachments of different legions (as i cant commit to one) the sub terrian assault sounds interesting, as well as the armoured spear head. currently have EC (loyalist) angels wrath rite, White scars Recon Legion company rite, Salamanders covernat of fire rite. so thinking of a dark angel or iron hands detachment next any suggestions ? (must be Loyalist aligned but love the idea of loyalist remnants of traitor legions )
Can confirm that Armoured Spearhead varies wildly based on opponent. Played against a robot-heavy mech army today and just didnt do anything...ended after 2 turns hahaha
When it comes to Underworld Assault, it's entirely possible you might not be able to get much use out of the Melta Cutters on the Termites. As a 6" Heavy 3 Melta weapon, it takes being practically at point blank range to gain the benefits of Armourbane against a vehicle, and within the average charge distance of any nearby infantry, cavalry, or dreadnought unit to use it otherwise. Whilst it can technically support flamer support squads of both tactical and heavy varieties at that range, the Melta Cutter isn't really the Termite's selling feature at 80pts before upgrades, and one that is easily outshone by a 65pt Rhino with a pintle-mounted Multi-Melta.
Good point on the pintle mount, and yeah I agree. That's why the Death Guard really shine here. Being able to still fire it at full BS after that 8" move.
I'm bulding a Sons of Horus army based around pride of the legion, with 2 large squads of banestrike vets with power weapons and some catafratii, 3 or 4 contemptors and some rapiers, I may add a seigelord so I can break out the phosfex :D
could I potentially get some advice on which rite of war I should run with World Eaters? I originally wanted to do drop pod assault but watched one of Briar's other videos and realized they are not so good... (All this is coming from someone who is trying to get into the game from 40k.)
Really depends how you want to build the army. Underworld Assault is better for close range firepower. If you're planning on going all in on assault based World Eaters, their own Rites of War are both really good!
While all of these looks interesting, I am gonna stick to my White Scars in Pride of the Legion. 2 max size Veteran blobs with line, chainswords, couple of Power Axes and a Power Fist supported by an Apothecary for the bulk of my line units. All of this backed up by Golden Keshig, Destroyers, tactical support squads and a Sicaran Arcus. (Command Squad: Cata's with heavy melee weapons in a Proteus)
Funnily enough the legions which would seem to be the most flavorful for brethren of iron are kind of the worst ones to take it. Iron Hands, Iron Warriors, Salamanders, and Raven Guard all have close ties to either the mechanicum, specific forge worlds, or a tech-y culture. But all of them, plus the sons of horus are sworn brothers with mechanicum, so I just don't get why you would take brethren of iron when you can just take a mechanicum allied detachment instead and get the benefits that the different magos HQs can give you
Bretheren of iron is actualy in lore a warrior society of the iron warriors its the other name for the apolakron which were a faction within iron warriors who buiot and used automata they show up in some the heresy books we dont know what happened to them at end of heresy tho
Iron warriors are not worse to take it they didnt use the mechanicum for automata they competed with them the apolakron aka bretheren of iron were disliked by the mechanicum because somehow they learned how to build automata and suplies some batalions of the irion warriors with them Iron warriors warsmiths also have cortex controlers and master of automata
Iron warriors can upgrade their praabon into a warsmith which gives them cortex controller, servo-arm, Master of Automata and Battlesmith (3+) for 20 points Ontop of the fact bretheren of iron war in lore apart of the iron warriors
Scars player here, ye I feel this. Basically only the Pride of the Legion rite does something for me. And eh...I have opinions on the Scar rites as well. :/
The biggest challenge imo of subterranean assault is that your units do not arrive turn 1 but rather through regular reserves. Which means you cannot do a pure termite list as you mentioned as you must have units on the board by the end of turn 1. The way it works out, it kind of discourages you from taking too much of your force in termites because you could be waiting until turn 4 to be deploying a sizable chunk of your force.
The Brethren of iron rite of war seems like a weird copy/paste from HH 1.0... Previously you had to take a Forge Lord & a Praevian as which explains the sentence about the Praetor (or Delegatus - which didn't exist when the rite was written). That the rules for this rite are unplayable until the purchase of the Liber Mechanicum is available is... Also, with the change to the cortex controller (one per three models) questions arise, like why the multiple tech marine tax on units larger than minimum size; 1x3, 2x4-6, 3x7-9; when they slow the movement of the unit? The techmarine have to join the unit, but are prevented from using bikes/jetbikes/jump pack if their unit doesn't have the same equipment... Those issues appear to be from copy/paste (the incomplete text from the previous edition) and an utter lack of playtesting by the writers... I always thought it was a uniquely thematic rite of war, but it is a lot harder to put on the table or utilize as it is written at the moment.
Yea there was never a batalion of iron warriors that didnt come with a compony of tanks iron warrior grand batalians were designed to have infantry , tanks and artillery in every batalion
Armoured Spearhead seems fun to just spam like 5 Land Raiders to be tough and annoying :p
There's certainly worse options out there!
Death guard don't get to shoot heavy weapons post disembarking without penalty, unfortunately. Disembarking counts as "special movement" per the LA rule for DG. Still, the vehicle bonuses are worth considering!
There you go! Great pick up. My bad!
@@blackbriargaming5483 it only single handedly ruined my dreams of mechanized DG in land raiders with that line lol
@@KorlithZaan the betrayal!!!
Thanks for this One!
Definitely going to use Underworld Assault, Mantic have some great Veer man drills and Ramshackle Games have Boring machines for way cheaper options.
Great video - thanks! Just building a new 1500 heresy list for an introductory event and I like the idea of being able to run my HQ as a Sicaran so the armoured spearhead is looking interesting!
Put a decurion in the turret!!
Start of the players first turn.
So if opponant blows up a rhino and doesnt kill all your dudes inside, on the start of your turn as there's no transport for them they'll die.
I notice that after I recorded!! That's nuts!! Maybe White Scars are the way to go then 😅
@@blackbriargaming5483 i was thinking, how would I deal with this? Target transports with scoring units and try and pop them.
I will build a armored Claw of the Night Lords with the Armored Spearhead RoW. A Sicaran as a Warlord, a Tartaros Librarian with five Contekar in a Spartan, two Despoiler Squads in Land Raiders, two Tactical Squads in Rhinos, two Predators fully equiped with Lascanons and two Predators with all of the Volkite. Then two Apothecaries for the Despoilers and two Tech Marines with the Tacticals. Sounds very cool to me, the lore of the Carandara armored claw was very inspirational :D
I am kicking off with Iron Warriors and wanted to go in with Brethren of Iron to maximise the robots - Iron Circle Domitar alongside Vorax and Castellax....... Plus my Praetor will upgrade to a Warsmith to keep it all in theme too.
Love it! Going to have a bunch of Techmarine's kicking around too. Very thematic.
I'm really looking forward to running a Brethren of Iron RoW salamanders army, built to represent the forces allied together for the Siege of Mezoa.
im currently make a load of allied detachments of different legions (as i cant commit to one) the sub terrian assault sounds interesting, as well as the armoured spear head.
currently have EC (loyalist) angels wrath rite, White scars Recon Legion company rite, Salamanders covernat of fire rite.
so thinking of a dark angel or iron hands detachment next any suggestions ?
(must be Loyalist aligned but love the idea of loyalist remnants of traitor legions )
Dark angels subterranean assault sounds pretty brutal with interemptors!!??
i recognise those predators...
Armored spearhead, with my sons of horus could be pretty cool, charging out of a land raider with some reavers.
Can confirm that Armoured Spearhead varies wildly based on opponent. Played against a robot-heavy mech army today and just didnt do anything...ended after 2 turns hahaha
When it comes to Underworld Assault, it's entirely possible you might not be able to get much use out of the Melta Cutters on the Termites. As a 6" Heavy 3 Melta weapon, it takes being practically at point blank range to gain the benefits of Armourbane against a vehicle, and within the average charge distance of any nearby infantry, cavalry, or dreadnought unit to use it otherwise. Whilst it can technically support flamer support squads of both tactical and heavy varieties at that range, the Melta Cutter isn't really the Termite's selling feature at 80pts before upgrades, and one that is easily outshone by a 65pt Rhino with a pintle-mounted Multi-Melta.
Good point on the pintle mount, and yeah I agree. That's why the Death Guard really shine here. Being able to still fire it at full BS after that 8" move.
Maybe you should take a check the Dark Angel ROF: The Steel Fist
I’m Iron warriors and I love all the three RoW
They certainly suit well!
I'm bulding a Sons of Horus army based around pride of the legion, with 2 large squads of banestrike vets with power weapons and some catafratii, 3 or 4 contemptors and some rapiers, I may add a seigelord so I can break out the phosfex :D
Phosphex makes everything more exciting 😊
@@blackbriargaming5483 I would hope cause it's pretty expensive but 8 rapiers might just be fun with it
could I potentially get some advice on which rite of war I should run with World Eaters? I originally wanted to do drop pod assault but watched one of Briar's other videos and realized they are not so good... (All this is coming from someone who is trying to get into the game from 40k.)
I am thinking underworld assault, but have no clue how to build a list in 30k
Really depends how you want to build the army. Underworld Assault is better for close range firepower. If you're planning on going all in on assault based World Eaters, their own Rites of War are both really good!
While all of these looks interesting, I am gonna stick to my White Scars in Pride of the Legion. 2 max size Veteran blobs with line, chainswords, couple of Power Axes and a Power Fist supported by an Apothecary for the bulk of my line units. All of this backed up by Golden Keshig, Destroyers, tactical support squads and a Sicaran Arcus.
(Command Squad: Cata's with heavy melee weapons in a Proteus)
So i can move my vehciles max speed an shoot with all weapons with no penalities if i'm death guard? 🤯😱
Thanks for your work!
I believe so! Someone let me know if I'm missing something??
Funnily enough the legions which would seem to be the most flavorful for brethren of iron are kind of the worst ones to take it. Iron Hands, Iron Warriors, Salamanders, and Raven Guard all have close ties to either the mechanicum, specific forge worlds, or a tech-y culture. But all of them, plus the sons of horus are sworn brothers with mechanicum, so I just don't get why you would take brethren of iron when you can just take a mechanicum allied detachment instead and get the benefits that the different magos HQs can give you
Bretheren of iron is actualy in lore a warrior society of the iron warriors its the other name for the apolakron which were a faction within iron warriors who buiot and used automata they show up in some the heresy books we dont know what happened to them at end of heresy tho
Iron warriors are not worse to take it they didnt use the mechanicum for automata they competed with them the apolakron aka bretheren of iron were disliked by the mechanicum because somehow they learned how to build automata and suplies some batalions of the irion warriors with them
Iron warriors warsmiths also have cortex controlers and master of automata
Iron warriors can upgrade their praabon into a warsmith which gives them cortex controller, servo-arm, Master of Automata and Battlesmith (3+) for 20 points
Ontop of the fact bretheren of iron war in lore apart of the iron warriors
I'm playing Thousand Sons, and none of the basic ROW really spark joy...
Scars player here, ye I feel this. Basically only the Pride of the Legion rite does something for me.
And eh...I have opinions on the Scar rites as well. :/
The biggest challenge imo of subterranean assault is that your units do not arrive turn 1 but rather through regular reserves. Which means you cannot do a pure termite list as you mentioned as you must have units on the board by the end of turn 1. The way it works out, it kind of discourages you from taking too much of your force in termites because you could be waiting until turn 4 to be deploying a sizable chunk of your force.
The Brethren of iron rite of war seems like a weird copy/paste from HH 1.0...
Previously you had to take a Forge Lord & a Praevian as which explains the sentence about the Praetor (or Delegatus - which didn't exist when the rite was written).
That the rules for this rite are unplayable until the purchase of the Liber Mechanicum is available is...
Also, with the change to the cortex controller (one per three models) questions arise, like why the multiple tech marine tax on units larger than minimum size; 1x3, 2x4-6, 3x7-9; when they slow the movement of the unit? The techmarine have to join the unit, but are prevented from using bikes/jetbikes/jump pack if their unit doesn't have the same equipment... Those issues appear to be from copy/paste (the incomplete text from the previous edition) and an utter lack of playtesting by the writers...
I always thought it was a uniquely thematic rite of war, but it is a lot harder to put on the table or utilize as it is written at the moment.
I guess the quick work around would be core line units with the tax (tech marines) attached and near the automata (bikers?, Rhinos?) - but wth...
Yea there was never a batalion of iron warriors that didnt come with a compony of tanks iron warrior grand batalians were designed to have infantry , tanks and artillery in every batalion
Just FYI - it's pronounced "automata" and not "automata".
😅 Is this a tomato tomato situation? Is it "autom-ar-ta?
@@blackbriargaming5483 Well it's sometimes pronounced "automata" but most people say "automata". "Automata" and "automata" are also acceptable.
and the role for hermione granger goes to....
@@taffeh And the role *of "guy who doesn't get the joke" goes to...
Great content, excited to get into some competitive theory and see how all these perform in tournaments
Thanks! Let us know what you discover!!