This is ICONIC! BATMAN (1989) Movie Reaction!
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- Опубліковано 24 бер 2024
- Welcome to mine and Caleb's FIRST time watching Batman (1989)! We love Tim Burton, and Meg has been watching a TON of DC lately. We had so much fun, and hope you do, too!
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Batman had his no kill rule in comics by now, but Burton didn't want to adapt that specifically.
Yeah he's using old school batman who killed his enemies also yeah Vicky wasn't he best love interest but when you see Batman Returns wow
In the early comics, Batman not only killed, he used a gun.
@@samuraiwarriorsunite shot Dracula
Keep in mind this was '89. All people (general audiences) knew of Batman was the 60's show. No one knew comics. Comics weren't cool like they are now. Adults who read comic or watched comic stuff were considered children.
So, the whole comics-accurate notion wasn't a thing. Comics were dapted to appeal to everyone. Everyobe forgets this. We are in a golden age that has never happened before.
@@biguy617 yeah just in the heat of battle as I feel most Batmen should
Jack Nicholson really is one of the best people they could’ve cast as the Joker.
He’d also be a good choice.
I mean, look at his face. The man was sculpted specifically to play the Joker. It was destined.
If Nicholson wasn’t available, I would’ve casted Willem Dafoe as an alternate.
Batman doesn't kill people, Tim Burton does 😂😂😂
I didn't have a problem with it because sometimes the only way to stop the criminal is by taking them out. It's unrealistic to save everyone.
Shirley Walker did the music for the animated series but it was inspired by Elfman
Batman didn't kill those people. Man did.
@@Justin0807 True heroism isn't about saving everyone or "winning". Sometimes you have to lose for the right reasons.
@@FireLordIroh Yes, it's not about winning exactly, it's about saving innocent people as much as possible. If the hero has to eliminate some dangerous criminals in order to save the innocent, it's fine. For example, most police officers never really want to use lethal force but sometimes they have to.
Fun fact: Jack Palance, the actor who plays Grissom, was the inspiration for Darkseid’s face.
And Marvel's Dracula!
I'm, so glad you realized Vicky figured out he was batman and that's why Alfred let her down to the cave. Everyone seams to think Alfred just did that for no reason at all.
LMAO!
Michael Uslan, who's taught college courses on the history of Comics and has served as a producer of every Batman movie, prepped Tim Burton by only showing him the early comics of Batman where he killed (1939-1940).
Also Michael Ulsan’s contract with WB/DC is basically perpetual. He served as producer on this and has severed as producer of some capacity on all subsequent Batman films.
Michael Uslan is the owner of the Batman film rights @@lowrivera
As a Batmaniac I have nothing but love for this movie, but I can't wait for Batman Returns to see their reactions to Catwoman.
As well as for both Penguin and Max Shreck!
Batman did not drop Jack on purpose, he tried to pull him up, but lost his grip. As for killing others: no-kill rule had been established in the comics by this point (though he did kill some criminals in early books), but it was Burtons vision. Actually, almost every movie Batman kills someone, which some fans tend to forget criticizing every new portrayal of the character.
Adam Wesr's Batman killed people in the '66 movie, albeit unintentionally. Or at least reduced them to antimatter...
@@SchulzEricT……he got mad at Superman for killing CIVILIANS. He mowed CRIMINALS down with machine guns. But sure I guess we can pretend Superman killing in general was the problem.
@@SchulzEricT Yeah it was never even necessarily Batfleck's killing that annoyed me as much as Snyder's self-absorbed responses to criticism over it.
@@Priceluked -- ''Self-absorbed'' is what i think of in every Snyder movie. He's so self-indulgent, and every film he's made looks like he's jerking himself off. They are so ''look at how cool i am...'' The only thing worse than the Snyderverse is the awful, melodramatic, poorly written, plot hole-filled Arrowverse. And yes, EVERY Arrowverse show, from day one.
Batman stopped killing and using firearms a year after his debut, which made him more superheroic and less of a pulp vigilante.
One of very few people that know this fact. Awesome!
Yes. He punched a murderer into a vat of acid in his first appearance. When he met his first super villain, Hugo Strange, who made giant monster servants. Batman killed them, but thought about how he preferred not to kill, but on this occasion it was unavoidable. He generally had a no-kill rule for a long time but it has gone back and forth in more recent times.
We can thank Bob Kane for that. Bill Finger who originally created Batman's whole complexities and depths to his character was unfairly denied and suffered for too many injustices being thrown aside and he didn't have his credits granted for co-creating Batman. Died alone and broke meanwhile Bob got all the attention and money making garbage misunderstanding the character and taking credit for everything.
Thank God there was comic book writers who were very courageous to trying making the character more of a hero with moral dilemmas and traumas than a complete moron for most of the time.
When this movie came out back in 89 Bob Kane was like "I'm Batman, I am the genius who created Batman and now I'm famous and rich hehe suckers!" I really despise that guy.
I really sincerely recommend you guys to watch the documentary called "Batman & Bill".
The origins of the creation of Batman and the true story about how it came to be with the other side of the story. Bill Finger was the real mind. He was Batman after all along and no one knew...till now.
No, he continues to both here and there to this day.
@@TheGundamsword not canonically. Maybe in multiverse s like Batman Who Laughs.
Batman's no kill rule was a thing at the time this movie came out. The reason Batman doesn't really adhere to it in this movie is because killing the bad guy was just kinda what action heroes did in movies at this time.
Batman kills in every live action film
There's also no point in keeping villains around because there aren't going to be that many sequels.
The no kill rule was fairly early on in the comics, especially after Robin was created. I think everyone realized that it was a little messed up to have a grown man satisfy his bloodlust while a small boy in lil' green ballet slippers follows him around with an ear-to-ear smile on his face.
I mean, for sure, Batman did strait up kill people, but that didn't last long at all. Batman is famous for his no kill rule for a reason, it's existed almost as long as he has.
Great reaction, as always! :)
Yeah, people talk about how violent Batman was in his early days, but it was like... literally less than a year. Practically none of his familiar traits were nailed down at that point. Once Robin appeared and Batman was given his no-kill rule, he settled into his familiar form for more than half a century.
Never clicked on a video faster. This movie, and it’s sequels (yes, even the bad ones) were HUGE parts of my childhood. The first superhero movies I ever saw!
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1:07:03 Coraline is not a Tim Burton project. It’s directed by Henry Selick, who directed “The Nightmare Before Christmas”, which IS a Tim Burton production. Henry Selick also directed “James and the Giant Peach”, which I also think is pretty good.
Henry Selick gets no recognition, it's tragic
After the success of Superman the Movie (1978), WB and DC
wanted more than anything to bring Batman onto the screen
with the same energy, a decade in the making.
Although it's not the first Batfilm (1941, 1943, 1966),
it's the first one to break a whole lotta ground.
Timing is everything too and it hit just in time for Bats' 50th Anniversary.
Tim Burton was the youngest director to take on a film of this size and budget
while it seemed at the time, a more experienced filmmaker should've made it.
Everything about this film was phenomenal, from the tone and look to
the touches of mood and performance with the characters.
All the signatures of Batman's world from old to new comics,
including 1986's The Dark Knight Returns and 1988's The Killing Joke.
Jack Nicholson from his performance as Joker to earning big bank
from merchandising is the stuff of legend.
Michael Keaton after several comedies and his first dramatic turn,
Clean and Sober (1988) definitely delivered as Batman/Bruce Wayne
while winning over a few who said he couldn't.
Kim Basinger almost missed the role of Vicki Vale, had to be faxed the script
before heading to Pinewood Studios (London, England) and get into a groove
of working on a film this size.
The music by Danny Elfman and the soundtrack by Prince are undenialble.
Also winning an Oscar for Best Art Direction by the late Anton Furst
(Gotham City, The Batmobile).
Batmania had everybody going crazy and eating up the success.
The toys, video games, bookbags, lunch boxes, clothes, tattoos, etc.
I became a bigger fan myself, started to get more into the comics,
going beyond the tv series of the 1960s (Adam West/Burt Ward)
and 1970s-1980s (Hanna Barbara's Superfriends).
Burton proved the naysayers wrong, the studio believed in him
to make a hit and follow through on it.
Without a doubt, comic-book based films and modern day blockbusters
owe a lot of thanks to this legendary piece of work.
Ironic how they miss the Bob Cane cameo signature right as they're making a Stan Lee joke.
Since both Lee and Kane had a tendency to take credit for others’ work.
I literally realized while I was editing and DIED! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@MegMageReacts it's so easy to miss too! 😂
I think if bob and Stan were still alive together, they would've cameoed in each other's movies.
I still have all four movies on VHS tapes and I'm never giving them away!
He didn't drop him, Jack slipped from his grasp.
He didn't drop him in the chemicals on purpose plus he didn't know that he killed his parents yet.
In Batmans first year or two in the late 30s and early 40s he would kill criminals all the time with no remorse. For example one time he hanged someone using his Batwing. 🦇
I have that comic, that was a great issue
@@marcusraynak8277 you do!!!! That's super cool!
@@dylanbottom4669 yeah I have it sealed up. I’ve been meaning to get it graded and pressed but I just haven’t found the time and I don’t trust sending it out.
The soundtrack is perfect ❤
I was about 10 when I watched this movie for the first time back in the 90s. The Joker gave me nightmares for weeks.
It probably should be noted that in the first year or so of Batman comics, he carried a gun and shot people (the pulp hero, the Shadow, was a big inspiration). There's one sequence where he's in the Batplane (autogyro to be specific) and he strafes a criminal's car with machine guns. The comic was so violent that parents complained. The publisher said that Batman could no longer kill people and they introduced Robin to soften the character. So this is the Batman in those early comics.
He even tosses someone out of the copter and he gets hung.
Great reaction!! My favorite Tim Burton movie is his first, Pee-wee Herman's Big Adventure. It's still hilarious & just feels special.
At the beginning
Thug: Don't kill me man!
Batman: I'm not going to kill you.
Final confrontation with the Joker
Batman: I'm going to kill you!
I hope you watch Batman Returns. It’s barely a Batman movie, but it’s so insane and weird I love it so much
I love insane and weird
Danny DeVito as the Penguin is probably the grossest performance I’ve ever seen. I love it. Selina and Bruce are both insane and meant for each other; and the cherry on top is Christopher Walken is in for no reason. It’s lighting in a bottle
Bats was trying to detach from the "not Adam West campiness", but this movie brought that to the mainstream. Huge success and a huge reason why the 90's animated series was allowed to be as dark as it was. Ironically, that same darkness would end up being the downfall of Batman movies in the 90's.
43:30 OG Batman did not care if he kills or not. And I don't mean this movie, I mean like Detective Comics #27 Batman, he'd be just casually firing real guns. And if not because of him, criminals would die in some other ways and Bats would be like: "Oh well".
"Ironically, that same darkness would end up being the downfall of Batman movies in the 90's.", could you tell me how so?
@@mariebourgot4949 Some Karens complained about how far it went in Batman Returns, so the studios ditched Burton and hired some tool who turned the next two films into embarrassing garbage that McDonald's felt comfortable promoting on Happy Meals. Seriously.
The Joker with glasses was an Adam West reference as in one episode a fight completely stopped because the henchmen were wearing glasses
The tv show was intentionally campy. As kids we mostly didn't get how campy it was.
Batman’s no kill rule probably dates back to the early 40s.
The absurdist nature of a man who dresses as a bat, regardless of what his intentions are, is front and center with Tim Burton. I believe that highlighting Batman's eyes was an attempt by Burton to remind us that it's still just a guy inside the suit. As fantastical as most Tim Burton movies are, this is probably the one that is most grounded in what we might call reality. I just recently discovered your reactions but I appreciate them.
43:20 Batman's "No killing" mantra was long before this film- so when my friends and I saw this in 1989 we were pretty confused at all the killing he did. Not to mention the Batmobile being armed with .50 cal machine guns.
Alfred here is played by British Thespian Michael Gough, reprising the role through all 4 films.
He was in a lot of Burton's movies because he was a Hammer Films vet. Burton was a fan of Hammer Horror and so tried to use as many of their actors in his films. This is why Gough and Christopher Lee are in many Tim Burton movies. Heck, Burton's _Sleepy Hollow_ is pretty much an homage to Hammer Horror.
With Wayne's kill count in this, it's basically the Robocop of Batmans.
In case you're wondering, Vickie Vale first appeared in the comics in Batman issue 49, 1948. She disappeared in the 50's and made a big come back in the 1980's around the time this film would've began being worked on.
She disappeared after 1964
Batman didn't kill anyone. The Batmobile's AI went rogue and accidentally sploded. The Batwing fired mercy bullets and nerf-rockets that merely incapacitated Joker's goons. Batman placed an airbag on the collapsed bell for the boss to land. And Joker was relaxing on the pavement all cheerful-like for surviving.
No, he straight up killed people in this movie.
Batman didn't kill those people. Man did.
Caleb's face everytime Bats merks somebody, LOL
followed by Meg's mope at Joker's death . . .
Actually it was the late Shirley Walker that did the theme music for Batman the animated series. She was inspired by Elfman's theme.. 😊
I don’t know why people assume that everyone knows who Bruce Wayne is. There are a lot of millionaires in my city but I have no idea who they are. I’m sure a lot of people would know who he is, but hardly everyone.
Except Bruce isn't a millionaire but a multi billionnaire, plus his parents have been famously murdered, making him the richest orphan and literally the most coveted match of Gotham.
@@mariebourgot4949 I'm sure the billionaires in my city have some crazy backstories too, but I don't hear of ordinary people recounting them all the time.
@@mariebourgot4949 he inherited billions of dollars as a young kid, long before mass or social media. It's not beyond reason that people didn't know what he looked like.
I don't think that Batman dropped Jack Napier on purpose. Now you have to react to Batman Returns. It's much more Tim Burtonity.
Michael Keaton was the reason that Bruce Wayne & Batman have a different voice. He was concerned that people would recognize Bruce Wayne and Batman as the same and talked about color contacts to better disguise the character and they ultimately settled on lowering his voice register. The suit was also so tight that he couldn’t hear and it made him go inward which made his character better. Michelle Pfeiffer wanted to play Vicki Vale but Keaton was against it because they were dating at the time and thought it would be weird. Michael Keaton came up with “I’m Batman” himself. He was supposed to say “I am the night”. Jack Nicholson made $60 million off the success of this movie which in 2024 is around $150,000. Robin Williams was offered the role of Joker when Nicholson hesitated. When he found out later that Warner Bros used him to get Nicholson to sign he refused to play the Riddler later and do any Warner Bros films until the studio properly apologized. 16:00 I was just starting to type George Clooney when you said it. He’s the only one that was a stretch for me cause he looked more like he would play the kind of Batman Ben Affleck played. 19:30 Michael Gough is my favorite Alfred. He reminds me of Alan Napier from the 60s Adam West Batman. 19:52 Vicki isn’t from Gotham so she isn’t aware of who Bruce is or his past. 23:30 the makeup department had to come up with a makeup that he could apply over the Joker white and remove it without removing the Joker makeup. 25:52 Jack Nicholson said he went real dark and deep with this version of Joker. He even warned Heath Ledger to not go too far into the character. 32:43 when they first designed it they didn’t have anyway for Batman to get in and out so they decided to make it like the cockpit of a jet. When Vicki takes her shoes off with the Batmobile it was because her shoes were scratching the paint. The paint they used was a special paint and color they made. 41:21 this is why Bruce looked at Joker weird when he said it cause that’s something that Bruce never forgot. 46:03 the money is supposed to be his money with his face on it. 52:42 he didn’t drop him though. He wasn’t able to get a proper grip when he went to catch him. Both had gloves and they weren’t able to make proper grip.
Another actress for Vicki Vale was Sean Young. She was cast in the film but broke her leg falling off a horse and had to be let go.
Oh, Batman has 6 children named after me, true story bro.
it's true, Huntress's real name is Stealthimaster8583 Wayne
51:35 Caleb’s face lol. No one’s taken a swan dive like that since Wil E. Coyote.
This is one of those movies I can watch and quote among, and never get tired of
The painting Joker likes is one of Francis Bacon's "Figure with Meat", You may be unsurprised to learn that Bacon's other work heavily inspired the aesthetic of Silent Hill, particularly 2. In other words, Francis Bacon is the father of Pyramid Head.
That's awesome
Also, Joker says dropped, but to be fair, he was wearing leather gloves with blood, so he slipped
Prince recorded an entire soundtrack for this movie, and they used one song. Okay, two songs.
Great to see you and Caleb watching Batman with Michael Keaton and Jack Nicholson
have a wonderful Monday afternoon y'all.📺🦇🦇📺
Always cool to see Batman (1989) reaction. Fun fact is that Tim Curry was the second choice to play the Joker if Jack Nicholson had turned it down. He was also initially cast as the Joker in Batman The Animated Series but had to drop out due to bronchitis.
Love to see this. Batman was a phenomenon back then I remember seeing it in the theater.
Given Michael Keatons rennaisance and the Beetlejuice Beetlejuice teaser has everyone hyped Id love to see you react the original first movie. Its such a wierd classic and much loved.
Yesss I’ve never seen Beetlejuice (just the musical)!
I still argue that Batman didn't mean for Joker to die. He merely wanted to keep the Joker from escaping. He didn't know the gargoyle was going to break off. But there are other parts of the movie you can't explain away so easily. Like throwing the Joker henchman down the shaft and blowing up the chemical plant. Returns is even more problematic. Its best just to see this and all Batman movies as Elseworlds tales.
@@JDoe-gf5oz It doesn't bother me. But it can be a problem for those who need things to square up with the comic book Batman.
Watch the 1966 movie! It’s tons of fun.
So the no kill rule. Back in 1939 when Batman had his first comic book run he was conceived as more of a pulp hero like the shadow or zorro and as such he was capable of killing when necessary. Then Robin debuted a year later and Fredric Wertham put out his book "Seduction of the Innocent" which was his theory that comic books were gonna be the downfall of civilization much like Jack Thompson said of video games half a century later. Wertham scared the piss out of parents so much that the comic book companies had to axe horror comics and establish the comics code authority to work a level of quality control to be suitable for children. thats when the no kill rule came into effect and thats why in the 50s and 60s Batman became cartoony and semi sci fi.
In the 70s we got a return to more mature storytelling as the comic code authority faded away because the paranoia faded away and you got stuff like The Dark Knight returns that explored more of Batman's psyche and why he refuses to kill. Tim Burton never read the comics and while the initial drafts of the script were pretty faithful to Batman comics in a lot of ways the no kill rule wasn't there because they wanted this movie to be a fun four quadrant blockbuster that they could be sure would make a buck. Also Tim Burton cared more about making a movie with his personal stylized vision than making an accurate Batman movie.
P.S meg youre not wrong about Superman killing Zod in Man of Steel. Superman has a different relationship with killing than Batman. Superman doesn't have a hard line no killing rule. Rather he prefers to exhaust every other possible option but acknowledges there may well be situations where taking a life is the only option.
Scary. This is why I think Nicholson’s Joker is superior to Ledger’s
Don’t get me wrong, Ledger’s Joker was great and he was great… but the script didn’t have his Joker being as scary funny as this one. He was terrifying and hysterical at the same time
Tim Burton is a briliant Gothic Director genius
“So he knew that was Bruce Wayne.” No he didn’t. He specifically said that he says that to people all the time before killing them. It was just a coincidence that he said it to Bruce as a child and an adult.
Jack Napier is a commonly used name for the joker to give him a real name, also would love if you reacted to the Batman 1966 movie ❤
To this day I think this live-action Joker is the most accurate. You can see how animated series were inspired by this origin (especially in the Mask of the Fantasm where he was revealed to be one of the gang members before the accident). I don't think anyone else aside from Romero (60s Batman show) succeeded in bringing so much joy while being very dark and creepy at the same time. Heath nailed the chaotic and creepy aspect but not so much the goofy trickster part with murderous "toys" that Hamill's and comic book Joker is known for.
the comic accurate joker is comical/silly + dark, whereas the dark night's joker was just way too serious ("why so serious?", lol) + dark, a very good villain character, but just not the true depiction of the joker
I personally think the animated series tv show got the joker the most accurate, comical/silly but so creepy, serious, and dark, both in his behavior, speech, mannerisms, and also his drawing-design too, just so well done, by the artists and by mark hamil in capturing the best and most accurate joker
(jack nickolas went a bit too far into the silly, and also it was really just jack nickolas being jack nikolas, and not the joker, and heath ledger, too far into the serious, whereas mark hamil, and the artists designing the joker, got the perfect mix and balance of the two, correct)
@@redmoonbloodmoon3161 Mark Hamill is animated Joker, not live-action. He doesn't count (and of course he's the best).
Joker's Lar when it shows the batmobile blowing up his lar is the same place where they filmed James Cameron's ALIENS
Great reaction from BOTH of you! I love this version, there's a lot more too it than modern audiences expect and it tends to win over reactors. I especially love Jack's portrayal of the Joker, it seems so natural for him. Being from way back, I had the comics and TV series in the 60s. As I recall, Batman was not a killer of the criminals (neither was Superman). Back then heroes were very clean cut and had to be paragons, at least for the kiddies.
"This is a good ass time!" Love it. Yes, it was 1989; we had to party.
If you ask me, this movie has a good incorporation of Tim Burton’s style without overdoing it and losing some of the general comic book vibe. Batman Returns is the one that really leans into Burton’s world and kinda loses me at times.
@@SchulzEricT More or less, yeah
Also, the name Napier is homage to Allen Napier, Alfred in the 60's
When Julius Schwartz first began editing Batman in the mid 1960s he had Batman pick up a gun and the fans went nuts. He didn’t make that mistake again.
The big inspiration for this film from the Batman comics was the Steve Englehart/Marshall Rogers run from the late 70s. Those are the comics that this movie is the most like. Especially the Joker. It's still my favorite run of Batman comics.
Billy Dee Williams was supposed to play Harvey Dent/ Two face in batman forever
Thanks, Meg! Thanks, Caleb! 🦇 Tim Burton's vision is always so distinct. I have such respect for his artistry.
The way Batman turns (moves his neck as if "he had a crick in his neck") is due to the fact that the mask he wears is one with the part that also covers the neck and shoulders, it's not a simple hood and that isn't detached from the neck. So the actor necessarily had to turn around like this. It has become a characteristic of Tim Burton's Batman and I find it very scenic (a bit like Robocop's movements, typical of that character in those movies).
Another curiosity about this Batman's costume: his ears were made too long, without thinking about when he enters the Batmobile. So when he's inside, with the top of the car closed, he wears another mask with shorter ears.
When you asked yourselves why the two journalists were so "ugly" on TV it was due to the fact that the Joker has now terrorized the city and since Smylex could be found in any beauty product (Batman had not yet released the combinations of the dangerous products, so any beauty product could be), the entire population no longer used these products, resulting in them being scruffy and unsuitable for being broadcast on live TV (like those two journalists, who seemed to have just woken up in the morning).
P.S.: you have to react to Prince's "Batdance" video. It's a work of art. You will recognize many of the phrases, lines and sounds from the movie, included in the video (as well as in the audio version of the song only).
Batman didnt drop him... he woulf have, but he just failed to hold on
Danny Elfman's score is AWESOME. Conducted by Shirley Walker. Orchestrated by Steve Bartek. Performed by The Sinfonia of London Orchestra.
Coraline isn't tim Burton, and he really just produced nightmare before Christmas he didn't direct or write it or compose any lyrics
Its my favorite live action Batman 🦇 😊😊😊😊😊😊
If you do watch any Adam West Batman, I highly recommend doing the early episodes of the series and not the movie. The quality of the early episodes is way better than the movie in my opinion. The stories are essentially adapted from 50s and 60s Batman comics.
Imagine this, Batman crashing through the ceiling of the museum only to realize "Batman: Damn it Alfred!! You gave me the wrong address! *Vicky is heard screaming from a distance and gets kidnapped*
Batman: Damn it!". 😂
This is the only Batman movie I will ever need .. Saw it the night of its release.. ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️☑️
The "I'm glad you're dead" scene along with his laughter is awesome.
Let's talk about the science of joker laugh, the only person in this planet who can do a perfect laugh as a joker is Jack Nicholson, so real so natural, especially in the scene where he electrocuted the mob,
he has a natural long breath, that's why the laughter sounds so good, that wheezing sound like people with asthma is so hard to do if you don't have that naturally, also listen to the laugh after joker push batman and vicki vale off the building, it's so f$&king delicious and satisfying to listen to especially if you listen through earphones, so haunting and joyful,
sorry to say but Heath ledger failed at that, he's just "woohh.. haha", except Joaquin Phoenix(great), the rest of them are so fake and forceful, they have to scream to get the joker's laugh, for example Mark Hamill, quite cringe and anoying actually,
the laugh was perfectly illustrated by Nicholson by having a set of laughs that range from maniacal and gleefully wild to dark and deeply threatening that sounds natural
When I was a kid, I thought the idea that the Joker was the one who killed Bruce's parents was canonical to the comics, because it made sense, thematically. Only when I saw Batman Begins did I learn that that wasn't the case.
Batman didnt drop him in person i dont understand why you think he did the joker says you dropped me in the acid! But no he just lost grip like in batman the killing joke
Batman returns is awsome
"But Batman doesn't kill/The Joker's death"
It's priceless Caleb's shocked face whenever that happens XD. As mentioned in other comments, yep: Tim Burton went for his own interpretation and has Batman actively taking lives.
On top of that, superhero films were not exactly a popular thing back in those days and they were mostly seen for young audiences, rather than adult franchises that should play the long game; under that logic, writers and executives went for the classic end of any action movie, with the death of the villain. The choice doesn't have to make sense, it's just where the template of the film goes (including the "Joker is really the killer of Batman's parents"... comic adaptations still had a lot of evolution in front of them).
"Nicholson vs. Ledger"
I guess there is no real way to settle this one; only to keep in mind what side of The Joker we like more: the psycopath/terrorist or the performer. The Joker of 1989 is more in tune with The Performer (and it's almost a direct adaptation of the 1960's Adam West show); while Christopher Nolan's Joker is more The Psyco, adapting more serious takes on the character that had not been published around the time this film was made.
"The tone of the film"
We can also say that one of the reasons why some choices seem way too goofy or out of place come from the clash between the different styles related to the character: due to its dark aesthetic, Tim Burton was brought into the project, but the studio never really wanted to let go a "family friendly" kind of dark (because the most recognized adaptation of the character was still the Adam West Tv Show; that's even more cartoony with the universe).
Tim Burton pushed the line of how dark some elements of the character could be (at the time), and, later on, the studios pushed the line of how childish the stories could get (by not letting go some concepts of the old adaptations). Hope you react to all them, for laughs mostly, but also I'm very curious of your thoughts of some of the choices made.
That's why when the Animated Series appeared (influenced as kind of a sequel to this film), it was quite shocking because it nailed everything perfectly: a Batman that could have hints of comedy, hints of tragedy and hints of darker stuff without feeling out of place in all the different approaches (again, at that time, some of the things today we take for granted of the character and have been adapted to great acclaim had not yet been published or were still "experimental" stories; one of the reasons why some of the elements first introduced in the animated series easily made the leap into the comic, later on).
And that would be it, nice reaction.
Fun fact: Arnold Schwarzenegger was considered to play Bruce Wayne/Batman. He ended up playing Mr. Freeze from Batman and Robin(1997).
Jack Nicholson wasn’t acting, he was just being himself. 😂
The 89 movie was influenced a lot by the Golden Age Batman, who wasn't bothered by killing and even carried a gun (seriously). Batman, arguably, doesn't kill anyone in this movie until he finds out Joker killed his parents. In the next movie, he gets genuinely amusing kills. Weird now, but normal then. Kilmer's Batman has a no killing rule in place, but still killed Joker.
41:48 this scene is, IMO, the biggest mistake in the movie. Even one of the screenwriters admitted as such, because why in the world would Alfred, the keeper of all secrets related to his master, ever let anyone in the Batcave without Bruce’s permission? It makes no sense. It wouldn’t be so bad if both Bruce and Vicki actually reacted to the situation, but they don’t and instead recite boring romantic nonsense that has no energy to it. This was the moment that ruined this movie for me, even back when I first watched it as a kid decades ago
@@Xehanort10 Bruce: “Alfred, you’re fired.”
In the church when Batman knocked the pews over, he had broken ribs from the crash.
There are so many unorthodox things about the Burton duology that, as far as Batman’s canon goes, shouldn’t work. Somehow, they do. Kinda like Burton, it’s just a weird, oddly poignant look at people who don’t want to grow up.
Perfect 👏
I watched this movie, every day from kindergarten and 1st grade. I also didn’t understand the difference between this, and the animated series; so I thought Harley Quinn put the laughing bag in Joker’s breast pocket.
The joker is like over 160 pounds and gravity multiply that by two and increases in a short time.
Love Micheal Keaton! 😍 Danny Elfman theme is 🔥 it’s really like they brought the animated series to life with these early Batman films & yea Gotham and Metropolis are both their own cities on earth, & Boston & New York do exist in the world. Themescarya the island is somewhere in earth
It's the other way around. TAS was influenced by Burton movies.
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31:54 This was supposed to be from a spray from the chest flower, but the effects at the time were not at 2008 Two-Face levels yet. Also, per the film script, poor Alicia was forcibly on substances (she is unusually subdued onscreen).
To quote Burton “anybody who knows me knows I’d never read a comic book “
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If you guys love this gotham your gonna love the 80s robocop movie 😂.
Iconic properties like Batman, Superman, James Bond, etc, have many different interpretations over the years. That includes lore. There have been writers in the comics that allowed Batman to kill, too. Batman is just one of those characters that is much bigger than any actor, so it can be whatever you want it to be.
My parents went to see this for their first date. I like to think that's why I love Batman and DC in general so much.
...you're right, that's not acting on Jack Nicolson's part. He's just LIKE THAT. All Burton had to do was take him off the leash, set him loose on the general populous and follow him around with a camera.
And Heath Ledger reportedly called him to get his insight on the Joker character
Tim Burton wanted Gotham City to look like "Hell had erupted from the streets."
it's like an art deco nightmare
Important rule for teenagers in this movie: Guys, don't do acid. Stay away from it or will destroy you life.
I love Keaton’s charmingly awkward Bruce Wayne
keaton is best bruce wayne portrayal, awkward nerdy and quite eccentric but very aloof, he's the least to be suspected as batman
whereas in the batman trilogy, christian bale portrays a way too slick "hollywood-trope" playboy bruce wayne
He's the best Bruce Wayne because he's the only version you would believe is actually as mentally insane as the villians he's chasing.
THIS MOVIE!!!! ❤❤❤
Jack set the precedent.. Everyone else just followed…☑️
Both New York AND Gotham exist in the DC Universe. They are two separate cities. Of course, the name 'Gotham City' has been a nickname for NYC for longer than Batman's existence. The fictional city was therefore based on NYC. In the comics, Gotham exists somewhere around Southern New Jersey.
keaton is best bruce wayne portrayal, awkward nerdy and quite eccentric but very aloof, he's the least to be suspected as batman
whereas in the batman trilogy, christian bale portrays a way too slick "hollywood-trope" playboy bruce wayne