That's fascinating. How a training can transform into pure race. Thanks for giving awesome material to us and explaining tactics on cycling. Keep it up, bro!
Loved the insight into the mental side, I usually find myself just aimlessly riding on group rides no purpose and probably a reason why my progress has stagnated.
This is seriously one of the best cycling channels on YT! I have learned so much from your commentary and explanations. Plus I get psyched to ride just watching these and the editing is top notch. Keep 'em coming!
+Clifford James thanks bro! I work hard on these so I appreciate the feedback. I will do alot of these in 2017, it's smack dab in the middle of off season for me right now.
Thanks for sharing. I just started cycling and I stopped doing group rides bc I thought they were disorganized w all the gaps, but you helped me realize this is what happens in races too.
I'm a new rodie as four plates and 21 screws in my right ankle slowed my Motorcross racing. This video shows why fast group rides are just as much fun as hard Motos with the boys! Great video and even better description of what's going on!!
Thanks for making this video. I made my club watch it since you covered everything w/ examples on placement, following wheels forward, knowing the terrain and anticipating other riders and their abilities. These are the videos that I really enjoy. Keep up the good work.
Vegas Cycling Freak lol same. i have 1 huuuuuuuuge hill that is like 200m long so my training is basically hill training and it lasts around 30 minutes
Come to the Netherlands. The whole country is basically flat, the biggest hill is near the German border and its 300 meters high. Most of the country is so flat that its under sea level.
Neat video. If you're a sadist, like myself, the best part of fast group rides is to purposefully open gaps (especially when it gets fast) and force others to close them. If no one is able to close the gap, snap off and bridge across as fast as possible so no one can follow. Crosswinds are the best environment for this. Happy riding!
Thanks for the video and discussion. I was on a ride mid-summer with a mix of racers and non-racers ranging up cat-2 (I'm approaching 5) on down and my plan was to sit and see how long I could hang with the lead group. I got into that same situation, I would be on a wheel and then I noticed a gap opening, so I get around and fill the gap only to repeat. I did get on the lead group but I did not last long with them. Often times I get dropped cresting hills as well. I was on another ride and I found myself pulling into a climb and I managed to hold on the first time. I sat for a while and then on my first pull through I found myself at the front again into a climb, that time I was toast. I rode solo and then broke the route off to go home (which was my plan).
absolute aweaome channel bruh!! watched a heap of your videos last night, gotta say my fav youtuber atm!! Shaved a minute off my 18km morning commute today because of you advice!! Thanks bro!!!
Second Practice Crit tonight bro! This video I think will help. Goal is to finish tonight 🤙🏾 not taking chances, not burning matches, just staying with the guys amd riding smart amd safe.
30 dudes is a big ass group ride. The only rides in my club (which is a fairly large club near New York City) that come to that size are beginner rides to teach basic group skills, or shop rides which pull in everybody who ever got a bike or a tune up there, regardless of skills. The only time we get 30 fast guys together is for that same shop's Friday Night race series in the summer.
Nice to see not every one has the fanciest $6k bike with 88mm carbon wheels. Here in Miami, that’s all you see. But not many put in the work. Just ride to Starbucks and back lol
I live in just north of you in Palm Beach Gardens/Jupiter area and see the same thing. I roll up to B+ group rides on my 2004 Specialized Roubaix (yes 2004) I bought used for $550.00 in 2017 when I started seriously riding....everyone else has 5K plus bikes and all the kit. By the end of the ride I'm right up in the front group 80% of the time depending on my energy level- and yes I take my pulls at the front. Yes the bike helps- but you still gotta mash the pedals to make it move.
can you share what camera and software you are using to track your rides and data during this video please - thanks and love the videos - thanks for the efforts
What gearing do you use, and what grade are you pushing 600 watts up at? Doesn't look steep compared to the climbs im used too but the camera can be deceiving. I am curious because i am thinking of changing my gearing and i am watching and asking to see what other riders who post are using and on what terrains. thanks!
Are speeds faster while in a group ride than compared to riding alone? I've never been in a group ride but in an all out sprint I can barely hit 28mph and that seemed like an average speed here. Am I just slow?
LOL, no bro, your not slow. Thats exactly what I thought when I was riding solo. I heard someone say they held 22mph for an hour and LITERALLY did not believe them. The draft in a group like this is MAJOR! I did a 75 min crit where we avg 29mph!!! WHAAAT! To out that into context, my BEST ever TT is 26mph for 16miles and my best solo on a road bike is maybe 24mph for an hour.
The Vegan Cyclist bro, out here in west Texas you can hit 29+ mph for at least 2 hours if conditions are right. motorist on the main highway wonder if I'm on a motorcycle when they see me roll that fast.
So I assume this was a pure workout / race ish vibe ? Not actually a proper group ride because to my knowledge being from London, a group ride means working in a team at the same pace to be the most efficient as possible as a pack. Nonetheless, it still looked like a cool race group / ride and still fun.
The last time I rode did the World Champions ride I threw up at the turn around. The pace is ridiculous from beginning to end. Sadly 9 out of 10 there's a head wind coming back.
Love the channel! Learned so much since I started watching. I want to get a camera. I know you use the Virb and the GoPro. If you had to buy only one, which one would you buy?
No, you have to load in your garmin data. Then go through an manually sync. So if you have just one clip, its not bad. But if you start and stop your gopro, ERRRMMGAWWD its a nightmare.
lol, yeah don't do that. Put your hand up when it happens (like any race) to let the guys speeding by know you are falling back. These rides simulate races, so the same level of crashes come with the territory
omg the speed on these guys... is this normal for road bikes? 36kmh average, that'd get me to work so fast... I'm on like 25kmh (15mph) for about the same distance on my mountain bike... would I be faster if I get a road bike or should I just start training cycling more seriously?
Hi dude! What was the pint of attacking and wasting energy on 6:58min if you were able to stay on wheel and recover? Thanks for the answer, want to understand this tactical move) Thanks for the vegan content, two weeks ago decided to go vegan and now I'm feeling much better so much better ( my legs and heart could ride so good, but stomach was feeling bad after hard training, now I'm super good even lost 5 kg )
The reason I attacked there, was the hill is very steep. So my attack makes everyone have to match what for what. Me spending energy is making everyone else spend the same or more if they're heavier than me.
That's fascinating. How a training can transform into pure race. Thanks for giving awesome material to us and explaining tactics on cycling. Keep it up, bro!
If only pro peloton offered live camera views and commentary like this!
If Peter Sagan did a video like this ... "So heer I wait....then I pedal very strong... now i wheelie... win much time"
hahaah - that made my day
Best. Comment. Ever.
@@TheVCAdventures are you a sagan hater?
Dude this video was so rad.
I agree with this statement
Lol I first read it as "this video was so sad"
These tactics are cool to listen to for someone who just rides casually. Awesome and funny stuff!
Loved the insight into the mental side, I usually find myself just aimlessly riding on group rides no purpose and probably a reason why my progress has stagnated.
finally some awesome cycling content on YT
Super informative for a beginner cyclist like me, thanks dude!
This is seriously one of the best cycling channels on YT! I have learned so much from your commentary and explanations. Plus I get psyched to ride just watching these and the editing is top notch. Keep 'em coming!
+Clifford James thanks bro! I work hard on these so I appreciate the feedback. I will do alot of these in 2017, it's smack dab in the middle of off season for me right now.
Thanks for sharing. I just started cycling and I stopped doing group rides bc I thought they were disorganized w all the gaps, but you helped me realize this is what happens in races too.
I'm a new rodie as four plates and 21 screws in my right ankle slowed my Motorcross racing. This video shows why fast group rides are just as much fun as hard Motos with the boys! Great video and even better description of what's going on!!
Thanks for making this video. I made my club watch it since you covered everything w/ examples on placement, following wheels forward, knowing the terrain and anticipating other riders and their abilities. These are the videos that I really enjoy. Keep up the good work.
+Foggy Shores (FoggyShores Cycling) I'm going to focus a lot more on these in 2017. Glad you shared it with your crew bro!
I'm enjoying the upload frequency! Your videos are really informative and inspiring.
+Mr Plow12 it's gonna have to slow down soon, I need to ride more and video less LOL.
I am enjoying the uploads as well. VC, your favorite recovery meals after the ride is done?
The Vegan Cyclist this is on friant Ave going up to Millerton huh ? I alway ride that same route :) great ride
thanks alot for using my music!!! :)
+Retnik Beats (BE) Bro! Your beats are straight FIRE! Thank you so much for making them!
I wish I had some flat areas like this to ride. As soon as I go out the front door I'm going up hill already lol
even worse for me - at least 2 km downhill on each side... which you have to climb when returning, as a warm down
Vegas Cycling Freak thought am the only one....
Vegas Cycling Freak lol same. i have 1 huuuuuuuuge hill that is like 200m long so my training is basically hill training and it lasts around 30 minutes
Come to the Netherlands. The whole country is basically flat, the biggest hill is near the German border and its 300 meters high. Most of the country is so flat that its under sea level.
Metric system for the win!!!
Looking at the numbers of watts you guys are putting out is mind boggling 🤪 As a fairly new cyclist it’s definitely a level to aspire to 🙏
Neat video. If you're a sadist, like myself, the best part of fast group rides is to purposefully open gaps (especially when it gets fast) and force others to close them. If no one is able to close the gap, snap off and bridge across as fast as possible so no one can follow. Crosswinds are the best environment for this. Happy riding!
Thanks for the video and discussion. I was on a ride mid-summer with a mix of racers and non-racers ranging up cat-2 (I'm approaching 5) on down and my plan was to sit and see how long I could hang with the lead group. I got into that same situation, I would be on a wheel and then I noticed a gap opening, so I get around and fill the gap only to repeat. I did get on the lead group but I did not last long with them.
Often times I get dropped cresting hills as well. I was on another ride and I found myself pulling into a climb and I managed to hold on the first time. I sat for a while and then on my first pull through I found myself at the front again into a climb, that time I was toast. I rode solo and then broke the route off to go home (which was my plan).
You know you're fit and fresh when your brain still can think about tactics !
Oh, the guy with blue pants looked stronger from the beginning...
absolute aweaome channel bruh!! watched a heap of your videos last night, gotta say my fav youtuber atm!! Shaved a minute off my 18km morning commute today because of you advice!! Thanks bro!!!
+SOODZ SOODHOLZ YUUUT! That's a huge improvement bro! Keep at it.
HOW DARE YOU NOT GET 100KM WHEN YOU"RE AT 99KM!!!!!!!! WHY??????
I run miles bro! So it was like 62.3 on my garmin.
I hate when that happens :(
How dare you type in caps lock to mighty Vegan Cyclist?
***** I'm sorry all mighty lord. Please forgive my sins
J Dodd He did go over 100KM
This video is awesome. Please do more like this.
Second Practice Crit tonight bro! This video I think will help. Goal is to finish tonight 🤙🏾 not taking chances, not burning matches, just staying with the guys amd riding smart amd safe.
fantastic tutorial on breakaway dynamics. as a sprinter I don't find myself there very often. hope to use your tips for next time I do
This video finally got me to subscribe. It's truth it's a beat down...you can't always win, respect for sharing and teaching.
Dude, I can't wait to be in this group. I'm so tired of getting popped night in and night out. Thanks for these vids bro
30 dudes is a big ass group ride. The only rides in my club (which is a fairly large club near New York City) that come to that size are beginner rides to teach basic group skills, or shop rides which pull in everybody who ever got a bike or a tune up there, regardless of skills. The only time we get 30 fast guys together is for that same shop's Friday Night race series in the summer.
All your videos always have dope beats I love it
Awesome video brah! More of these please.
Absolutely entertaining. Learned a ton. Thanks man.
LOL
ive always thought it was just who has the best condition
but wtf. no there are tactics
Nice to see not every one has the fanciest $6k bike with 88mm carbon wheels. Here in Miami, that’s all you see. But not many put in the work. Just ride to Starbucks and back lol
I live in just north of you in Palm Beach Gardens/Jupiter area and see the same thing. I roll up to B+ group rides on my 2004 Specialized Roubaix (yes 2004) I bought used for $550.00 in 2017 when I started seriously riding....everyone else has 5K plus bikes and all the kit. By the end of the ride I'm right up in the front group 80% of the time depending on my energy level- and yes I take my pulls at the front. Yes the bike helps- but you still gotta mash the pedals to make it move.
drew4utube why not up grade your bike , even a. $ 2000 bike would be an improvement
"You can see guys are just getting flicked." Lmao I don't know why I think that phrase is so funny.
Great commentary about the ride and fast changing situations.
That was great to hear your breakdown of the ride! I’m just getting into cycling and it was really informative. Thanks brah!
Really loving these videos dude!
what a competitive group ride! love it
You guys are frigen animals! You'd drop me like a bad habbit😢
Bad habits are really hard to break ... Like watching UA-cam when you should be getting work done
finest cycling content, very cool how you share strategies.
Man this is such a good upload!
so inspiring - nearly as much as getting a new bike.
great, I liked the part of not breaking so you dont loose momentum
that was very interesting. thanks for the breakdown and the thought process! it inspires me to do some VO for my commuting videos. very well done!
How do you get the graphics from your bike computer onto your film? Fantastic quality footage. GoPro or a different brand?
+James O'Reilly filmed on a gopro, overlayed with virb, edited on premier, graphics on photoshop . It's a chore
Tsss... wish I had roads like that where I live by
That was so entertaining to watch! I haven't thought there are so much tactics in cycling and I just realized I need a power meter...
I like the fact that there is a Rabobank team in the bunch :)
Thanks for adding km/h for us :) Great video bruh!
Always the best vids 👍🏼
Really good feedback. I really enjoyed watching it.
awsome video i raced for over 20yrs and yr video was awsome
what a great video... so well said... simple... exact Thank you
Nice talk through on tactics.
This sort of videos are the best! nice one!
Awesome commentary dude.
sometimes it's hard to see if the road is flat or uphill
is there any way to show that on the screen?
I really like your video cool dude!
I enjoyed this video very much. Thanks for the tips!
Oh man, I'd LOVE to be a part of group rides like this. I can only find super casual group rides.
You are a great teacher.
I know nothing about cycling, but found that fascinating. Vegan for good.
Awesome video VC👌
Those roads are friggin awsome
Best part 7:00 to 7:41 “and sure as shit here goes nick”
can you share what camera and software you are using to track your rides and data during this video please - thanks and love the videos - thanks for the efforts
+Lionspride20 garmin virb for the overlay, uploaded my file from gopro and garmin data into virb
Hey man, that was a great breakdown. Great job recognizing those early gaps. Very interesting
B R E A T H
Super helpful, thanks for posting!
great video mayn!
Really awesome type of video, I loved it
Gaps on a fast group do me soo much...hold the wheel like your life depends on it.
Great Video. What camera are you using?
Thanks bro! Go pro 4, superview / 60fps
Excelent video, i have a question, how do you measure everything?
Nice breakdown. Smart rider .
Dude awsome video you guys had the hammer down
What gearing do you use, and what grade are you pushing 600 watts up at? Doesn't look steep compared to the climbs im used too but the camera can be deceiving. I am curious because i am thinking of changing my gearing and i am watching and asking to see what other riders who post are using and on what terrains. thanks!
The climb I was doing 600 on is may 12%, its pretty steep. But I run a 52/37-11 I believe.
Awesome video as allways
Are speeds faster while in a group ride than compared to riding alone? I've never been in a group ride but in an all out sprint I can barely hit 28mph and that seemed like an average speed here. Am I just slow?
LOL, no bro, your not slow. Thats exactly what I thought when I was riding solo. I heard someone say they held 22mph for an hour and LITERALLY did not believe them. The draft in a group like this is MAJOR! I did a 75 min crit where we avg 29mph!!! WHAAAT! To out that into context, my BEST ever TT is 26mph for 16miles and my best solo on a road bike is maybe 24mph for an hour.
The Vegan Cyclist bro, out here in west Texas you can hit 29+ mph for at least 2 hours if conditions are right. motorist on the main highway wonder if I'm on a motorcycle when they see me roll that fast.
So I assume this was a pure workout / race ish vibe ? Not actually a proper group ride because to my knowledge being from London, a group ride means working in a team at the same pace to be the most efficient as possible as a pack. Nonetheless, it still looked like a cool race group / ride and still fun.
BRUH, you should come by to the east bay in Oakland to do the tuesday's
"POO RIDE"
The last time I rode did the World Champions ride I threw up at the turn around. The pace is ridiculous from beginning to end. Sadly 9 out of 10 there's a head wind coming back.
What do you think about the roller training ? at home in winter.
Love the channel! Learned so much since I started watching. I want to get a camera. I know you use the Virb and the GoPro. If you had to buy only one, which one would you buy?
+Michael J. Go pro ALL DAY. way more versatile.
But how do you get the Garmin G-Mextrix overlays? Do you literally have both cameras recording simultaneously?
+Michael J. No, I don't use a virb. Flim on the gopro and use virb software for overlay
Last question, how do you sync the Garmin data with GoPro footage? Surely it doesn't automatically sync.
No, you have to load in your garmin data. Then go through an manually sync. So if you have just one clip, its not bad. But if you start and stop your gopro, ERRRMMGAWWD its a nightmare.
Dat last attack...
very cool video. great commentary.
Can you do a video on the Different cat fitness?
Hey Vegan C, can you share your workouts?
What is this app that records video and shows your live data/specs?
That looked super fun
Friggin love these
This is a nice cooling-down after watching McGregor win EZ!
Where can I find awesome group rides like this? let me join youuuuu!
That was awesome. Thanks!
What do you use for the display on your screen bro?
What happens if a rider gets a flat? Does everyone stop while he changes tubes or does he pretty much get left behind?
Tough luck, your chasing. I actually road 30 miles to do this group ride once and got 2 flats right as it started....SO PISSED.
Cool. Good to know when I do one of these I won't be that guy yelling "Hey guys stop! wait for me! I have a flat!"
lol, yeah don't do that. Put your hand up when it happens (like any race) to let the guys speeding by know you are falling back. These rides simulate races, so the same level of crashes come with the territory
omg the speed on these guys... is this normal for road bikes? 36kmh average, that'd get me to work so fast... I'm on like 25kmh (15mph) for about the same distance on my mountain bike... would I be faster if I get a road bike or should I just start training cycling more seriously?
These guys are pretty good. 30 mph for any stretch is not recreational rider pace.
Very helpful 👍🏻thanks!
Great video!
Hi dude! What was the pint of attacking and wasting energy on 6:58min if you were able to stay on wheel and recover? Thanks for the answer, want to understand this tactical move)
Thanks for the vegan content, two weeks ago decided to go vegan and now I'm feeling much better so much better ( my legs and heart could ride so good, but stomach was feeling bad after hard training, now I'm super good even lost 5 kg )
The reason I attacked there, was the hill is very steep. So my attack makes everyone have to match what for what. Me spending energy is making everyone else spend the same or more if they're heavier than me.
Also, great job on the plant life. It is been in major game changer for me. Just make sure to get in all your nutrients.
thanks dude! See yaa)
love yor vids man:D you are a big inspiration
Nice video really enjoyed it
great video