I must be either deaf or stupid, or maybe just honest! But I can barely hear a difference, even with headphones. Slight tendency in favor of the V7, but you would never hear a difference when playing with a band. It all come down to which one feels better to the player.
Nah, you're neither deaf nor stupid because that's exactly what we hear when we listen to the sound files! Pretty interesting, isn't it? Now compare the price of the two ... plus the Sire also has the active onboard EQ which will give you tons of tonal options to work with. However, the Sire sure doesn't have the Fender logo on its headstock which to some ppl is still a must!
Wow, the two sound so similar! With a slight edge towards Sire, it has a little richer mids, a bit more growl and sounds somewhat sweeter. But the differences are really subtle. If you consider you're getting a very flexible active EQ and a nicer neck with rolled edges on top with the Sire, you just have to decide what's more important to you: brand or value. I'd go for the latter and get the Sire.
@@57precision Imo different is a sign of Beauty, people disliked G&L headstock and now they are recognizable and known all around the world for that headstock ! Not the prettiest but not like the rest 😉
Both sound really good, definitely get alot of value with the Sire. The Sire seems to have a bit more growl, but the Fender has a "zing" to it's tone that I think I prefer. Thank you for doing this comparison! I love your channel. Would you please do one comparing a fender MIM P bass and a sire?
Many in here are commenting about the similarities but to my surprise no one has commented about the clarity. Yeah, they sound pretty similar but the Sire does have more clear and defined sounding tones.
@@kingdeedee No, because I know more than you bud. Imo the fretboard does more difference than the body for an example. But all things matter, pickups,- and their position, bridge, fretboard etc. But in this case they have the same fretboard, so no. But to believe it's all about active or passive is just naive, the active perspective on things gives you more options, yes. But there are still both active and passive pickups that sound very different. I mean if you gave me the option to choose which premium passive pickups I wanted before sires standard pickups with a active circuit? I would definitely choose some premium passive pickups. And that comes from someone who owns 5 basses where only two are passive, one being a fretless. I don't think there is a huge difference between maple and rosewood in ordinary fingerpicking, but still a subtle difference. But, I do think there is a big difference in sound when you slap between maple, rosewood and- if it's roasted or not. I mean of course it has some impact. There is something called density ;) Just like fresh or dull strings also do.
@@kingdeedee does the tonewood not matter? I'm kinda new to basses that aren't "I can afford the cheapest one they have", so I have a lot to learn. Thanks!
I owned a Fender MIM Standard Jazz, (Used to also own a CIJ Fender Geddy Lee) still own a Fender Player P, and a Pedulla Buzz with the Bartolini J-J system. I recently purchased a fretless Sire V-7 2nd Gen. After copper foil shielding the control and pickup cavities, shielding the stock pickups themselves, and upgrading the tuners to Gotoh Res-o-Lites, my V7 Fretless sounds very, very close to my Pedulla, and it plays just as well. That's the fretless I take to bar and club gigs now. Might soon have to get a fretted V-7 and do the same mods to it.
The fender seems to have a bit more body and warmth. But the differences are subtle. PS: I would love to hear a sound comparison between the alder and swamp-ash versions of the V7 in both the 4 and 5 string versions.
I preferred the Fender consistently for pure quality of sound. Some players will feel that the lower price of the Sire, coupled with the more flexible EQ tips the balance. In the end, since I don't need the fancy EQ, it would come down to the feel of the neck, which unfortunately is one of the things that sound demos can't convey. Try both, if you can.
I say that all the time. People will be like " this 300$ bass is just as good as this 1200$ bass"...and I'm like the sound may not be far, at first. But get them at home and play them for two weeks. Most people don't understand you gotta spend time with instruments. I've played 30 years. And have played multiple instruments..and I love my sire. And I was at guitar center and I played this Mexican fender several times, and I went to buy a bass. And I really loved the Mexican, the way it sounded and played. And the American was out of my reach on the wall. And I thought there's no way that American is much. But I decided to have them get it down ...and instantly I felt and heard the difference. And I bought the American. And I was seriously about to walk out with the Mexican. It just played better, it was more balanced weight wise. There's just something about the way it feels that Ive never found on any bass ..I've bought many basses , only to find out after several weeks the various flaws. The number one being noise. That clanky sound on the frets. I had never played a quiet bass until I picked that American up. I spent half my life trying to quiet basses down . And people will say 'thats part of playing bass". That's not true , that's one of the main differences. My main thing was I wanted a quiet bass. I didn't think they existed lol. Not just that , there's multiple little things you don't notice unless you play a lot like I do. I play alot. I have a sore V7, it's a great bass. But it's still not the level of an American fender. I have 7 basses. You definitely get what you pay for. . Also many flaws don't show up for months. Weather and everything affects basses. And I maintain my basses. Alot is in the fretwork, the nut, the bridge. There's definitely a difference. They put more time into it, or the specs are more accurate. I don't know what it is, but overall that bass is exactly what I've been looking for , for years. People can say" it's just a logo"... bullshit. Its everything...trust me I've played for years , and I could care less about cheap or expensive. I was looking for certain things that most people never talk about in reviews. Things that I know from tens of thousands of hours of practice...100 percent, that extra money was worth it to me. It plays perfectly across the entire neck . The tuning is perfect. It stays in tune ....it feels unbelievable. There's a precision with which they make they're instruments. The cheaper instruments I own, have owned. And the mid range, the Mexicans...they're good. But they're not an American fender. There's a reason they sell millions of them. Trust me, I was one who used to say the same shit. That there's no difference...I still pick up and love that bass. And I've compared it to all my others multiple times...I've put it down a few days and played others ..and everytime I go back, I'm blown away by how it feels.
The Sire has more punch, mids and growl, the Fender is more subtle has more highs. In my opinion the difference in sound is quite distinct. I would go with the Sire for it will be more present in the mix and on stage.
Interesting. I have the same Fender model (and colour) and the ash version of the Sire (with five strings and the same blue colour though). I’ve made the same comparison and found there is a bigger difference between mine than between the two alder models featured in this video. I’d say there are more overtones with ash, giving a slightly brighter sound with more character. However, in the mix with other instruments, it’s almost impossible to hear the difference because it’s quite subtle. Overall, I prefer the Fender to play because the frets are less tall. However, even better is the Sire V7 vintage in ash because of the 70s pickup spacing giving a lot more punch and frets that are less tall.
Great video, thanks! I was actually considering between these two for my next bass and they sound very similar to me! Do you have any thoughts or notes regarding playability? Right now I'm leaning towards the Sire given that I'm interested in the preamp, but a bit wary because no stores in my area stock any so I would have to order online... meanwhile there are Fender players to be found :P.
Do both basses have noiseless J pickups? In terms of sound difference you really have to dig for it: 1:07 a bit more low end and 1:21 a bit less low end.. but this is probably only because those are different takes and not because of the bass. Because in the reggae demo later on I don't hear a difference in the low end at all...
The Fender has a slightly more forward sound, but otherwise they sound almost identical, price tags aren't anything like identical though, and ill bet the finishing is nicer on the Sire...
Fender sounds a bit meatier but Sire sounds more clear. In a mix i doubt anyone could tell the difference. However the Sire preamp does give alot more felxibility to customize your tone. Sooo hey just play music and be happy.
The different in sound is very subtile, sire is brighter, fender is better in low end, and more consistent i guess, judging from my phone speakers only.
The Fender has a warmer and deeper bottom end, Sire has more sparkle and top end. For my tastes and uses I'd go with the Fender (deep house / funk / dub) if I was going for rock bass and cutting through the mix live I'd lean towards the Sire. (Listening on Sennheiser HD 25)
I like my 1st gen v7 a lot. But I did recently play an Am Pro II Jazz, and while the sound was pretty much identical, I do have to say the AMP II felt a good bit nicer to hold and play. Now is it worth 3x the price? That’s solely up to the buyer. To me, already having a v7, no. If I was in the market for a Jazz and had a budget for a US Fender, I’d go US over Sire.
You can record directly into your computer via an interface, but this often doesn’t give the best results. So, many people us a preamp to modify the signal. The Noble preamp is the industry standard and costs 1250 dollars with a 10 month wait! 😳
Listened to this blind, Sire completely blows the fender out of the water here. Really really curious how a 5 string with a darkclass distortion pedal would sound for metal. Jazz basses always sound real good for metal.
They do make passive basses with otherwise near identical specs , the V5R. Also, there is a switch on the V7 etc to bypass the preamp and just have volume/blend/passive tone controls
The Sire has Passive pickups wired to an active preamp with a bypass switch for the active part of the circuit. Flip a switch and you have a fully passive bass with Volume/Tone/Blend controls.
Fender tiene mejores medios y eso le da un sonido más lleno y redondo. Aunque suenan muy parecido, Fender tiene un mejor sonido para mi, se nota más en el microfono del puente.
My fenders have sat collecting dust since I moved to better playing active jazz basses from other companies like Bacchus (cant go wrong with an Japanese made bass brand)
They are suprisingly close. Came into this biased toward the Fender Player. But by the end, decided that the Sire has both more clarity and more depth. So it's more versatile and probably sounds closer to the more modern sounding American Professional. The Fender Player has a bit more of a vintage midrange burp - could sound very nice with a hot-driven Ampeg B15 or V-4b grind. But it's more limited. Sonically, I prefer the Sire, visually the Fender looks more right. Not a fan of the Sire puck headstock. But it wins on sound, versatility and price (in Europe at least).
The fender player is more expensive than the Sire and it doesn't sound better, in fact, even if there is a difference, nothing justifies paying more for having Fender on the headstock. Good materials in the Sire, and more in the ash basses, and a preamp with many possibilities. If you don't like the pickups, you can change it and it's cheaper doing this and buying the bass than the Player for sure.
I've never had a fender but if I've had 4 sires, you always notice a little difference in clipped mids on the sire which makes the fender sound rounder. something that with a little equalization can be balanced.
The fender has tone, you can clearly hear the sound of the wood, the sire has great electronics but it has no tone due to the lack of quality wood, you can hear the sound of the electric wave. In a study, a sire does not perform, anyone can verify that. Now when you see the prices, the sire is really highly recommended.
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I must be either deaf or stupid, or maybe just honest! But I can barely hear a difference, even with headphones. Slight tendency in favor of the V7, but you would never hear a difference when playing with a band. It all come down to which one feels better to the player.
Nah, you're neither deaf nor stupid because that's exactly what we hear when we listen to the sound files! Pretty interesting, isn't it? Now compare the price of the two ... plus the Sire also has the active onboard EQ which will give you tons of tonal options to work with. However, the Sire sure doesn't have the Fender logo on its headstock which to some ppl is still a must!
agree with you the two basses sound almost identical. Everyone claiming to hear this huge difference is listening with their eyes.
Sounds to me tho that the v7 cuts throgh the mix better in most cases, sometimes mor then others.
I’m leaning towards stupid!
@@TheFriendlyPsychopath Maybe, but that would make everyone that agreed with me stupid too. Or could it be you who is stupid, or deaf!
Wow, the two sound so similar! With a slight edge towards Sire, it has a little richer mids, a bit more growl and sounds somewhat sweeter. But the differences are really subtle. If you consider you're getting a very flexible active EQ and a nicer neck with rolled edges on top with the Sire, you just have to decide what's more important to you: brand or value. I'd go for the latter and get the Sire.
The Sire is a better value, but that headstock design 🤮
@@57precision Yeah, I agree, it's not pretty at all
@@57precision Imo different is a sign of Beauty, people disliked G&L headstock and now they are recognizable and known all around the world for that headstock ! Not the prettiest but not like the rest 😉
Both sound really good, definitely get alot of value with the Sire. The Sire seems to have a bit more growl, but the Fender has a "zing" to it's tone that I think I prefer.
Thank you for doing this comparison! I love your channel. Would you please do one comparing a fender MIM P bass and a sire?
Many in here are commenting about the similarities but to my surprise no one has commented about the clarity. Yeah, they sound pretty similar but the Sire does have more clear and defined sounding tones.
Yes because it has an active preamp
@@kingdeedee Not the only reason ;)
@@roopekanerva5606 by far the biggest reason though (I hope you’re not gonna give me the tone wood talk)
@@kingdeedee No, because I know more than you bud. Imo the fretboard does more difference than the body for an example. But all things matter, pickups,- and their position, bridge, fretboard etc. But in this case they have the same fretboard, so no. But to believe it's all about active or passive is just naive, the active perspective on things gives you more options, yes. But there are still both active and passive pickups that sound very different. I mean if you gave me the option to choose which premium passive pickups I wanted before sires standard pickups with a active circuit? I would definitely choose some premium passive pickups. And that comes from someone who owns 5 basses where only two are passive, one being a fretless. I don't think there is a huge difference between maple and rosewood in ordinary fingerpicking, but still a subtle difference. But, I do think there is a big difference in sound when you slap between maple, rosewood and- if it's roasted or not. I mean of course it has some impact. There is something called density ;)
Just like fresh or dull strings also do.
@@kingdeedee does the tonewood not matter? I'm kinda new to basses that aren't "I can afford the cheapest one they have", so I have a lot to learn. Thanks!
The noble preamp can make almost any bass sound awesome
yes sir. It’s the best
I prefer the sound of the Sire MM V7
I owned a Fender MIM Standard Jazz, (Used to also own a CIJ Fender Geddy Lee) still own a Fender Player P, and a Pedulla Buzz with the Bartolini J-J system.
I recently purchased a fretless Sire V-7 2nd Gen. After copper foil shielding the control and pickup cavities, shielding the stock pickups themselves, and upgrading the tuners to Gotoh Res-o-Lites, my V7 Fretless sounds very, very close to my Pedulla, and it plays just as well. That's the fretless I take to bar and club gigs now.
Might soon have to get a fretted V-7 and do the same mods to it.
To me the Fender Player Jazz Bass - soundwise - is the winner.
great comparision and playing! 🙏 Sire sounds really great, but I still prefer the warmer Fender tone.
The fender seems to have a bit more body and warmth. But the differences are subtle.
PS: I would love to hear a sound comparison between the alder and swamp-ash versions of the V7 in both the 4 and 5 string versions.
I preferred the Fender consistently for pure quality of sound. Some players will feel that the lower price of the Sire, coupled with the more flexible EQ tips the balance. In the end, since I don't need the fancy EQ, it would come down to the feel of the neck, which unfortunately is one of the things that sound demos can't convey. Try both, if you can.
I say that all the time. People will be like " this 300$ bass is just as good as this 1200$ bass"...and I'm like the sound may not be far, at first. But get them at home and play them for two weeks. Most people don't understand you gotta spend time with instruments. I've played 30 years. And have played multiple instruments..and I love my sire. And I was at guitar center and I played this Mexican fender several times, and I went to buy a bass. And I really loved the Mexican, the way it sounded and played. And the American was out of my reach on the wall. And I thought there's no way that American is much. But I decided to have them get it down ...and instantly I felt and heard the difference. And I bought the American. And I was seriously about to walk out with the Mexican. It just played better, it was more balanced weight wise. There's just something about the way it feels that Ive never found on any bass ..I've bought many basses , only to find out after several weeks the various flaws. The number one being noise. That clanky sound on the frets. I had never played a quiet bass until I picked that American up. I spent half my life trying to quiet basses down . And people will say 'thats part of playing bass".
That's not true , that's one of the main differences. My main thing was I wanted a quiet bass. I didn't think they existed lol. Not just that , there's multiple little things you don't notice unless you play a lot like I do. I play alot. I have a sore V7, it's a great bass. But it's still not the level of an American fender. I have 7 basses. You definitely get what you pay for. . Also many flaws don't show up for months. Weather and everything affects basses. And I maintain my basses. Alot is in the fretwork, the nut, the bridge. There's definitely a difference. They put more time into it, or the specs are more accurate. I don't know what it is, but overall that bass is exactly what I've been looking for , for years. People can say" it's just a logo"... bullshit. Its everything...trust me I've played for years , and I could care less about cheap or expensive. I was looking for certain things that most people never talk about in reviews. Things that I know from tens of thousands of hours of practice...100 percent, that extra money was worth it to me. It plays perfectly across the entire neck . The tuning is perfect. It stays in tune ....it feels unbelievable. There's a precision with which they make they're instruments. The cheaper instruments I own, have owned. And the mid range, the Mexicans...they're good. But they're not an American fender. There's a reason they sell millions of them. Trust me, I was one who used to say the same shit. That there's no difference...I still pick up and love that bass. And I've compared it to all my others multiple times...I've put it down a few days and played others ..and everytime I go back, I'm blown away by how it feels.
@@brandonmalone1893
This is a great comment, really summed it up nicely 👌
Fender's bottom end is better than Sire. It's noticeable with the headphones. Other than that, very simillar instruments.
intéressant !
The Sire has more punch, mids and growl, the Fender is more subtle has more highs. In my opinion the difference in sound is quite distinct. I would go with the Sire for it will be more present in the mix and on stage.
Interesting. I have the same Fender model (and colour) and the ash version of the Sire (with five strings and the same blue colour though). I’ve made the same comparison and found there is a bigger difference between mine than between the two alder models featured in this video. I’d say there are more overtones with ash, giving a slightly brighter sound with more character. However, in the mix with other instruments, it’s almost impossible to hear the difference because it’s quite subtle. Overall, I prefer the Fender to play because the frets are less tall. However, even better is the Sire V7 vintage in ash because of the 70s pickup spacing giving a lot more punch and frets that are less tall.
Great video, thanks! I was actually considering between these two for my next bass and they sound very similar to me! Do you have any thoughts or notes regarding playability? Right now I'm leaning towards the Sire given that I'm interested in the preamp, but a bit wary because no stores in my area stock any so I would have to order online... meanwhile there are Fender players to be found :P.
Do both basses have noiseless J pickups? In terms of sound difference you really have to dig for it: 1:07 a bit more low end and 1:21 a bit less low end.. but this is probably only because those are different takes and not because of the bass. Because in the reggae demo later on I don't hear a difference in the low end at all...
The Fender has a slightly more forward sound, but otherwise they sound almost identical, price tags aren't anything like identical though, and ill bet the finishing is nicer on the Sire...
Fender sounds a bit meatier but Sire sounds more clear. In a mix i doubt anyone could tell the difference. However the Sire preamp does give alot more felxibility to customize your tone. Sooo hey just play music and be happy.
the fender pickups have a clean and brighter sound for me. I have the V7 and appreciate the preamp and the lower price.
I tried both.
Bought the v7.
Fender jazz ultra, different story.
The different in sound is very subtile, sire is brighter, fender is better in low end, and more consistent i guess, judging from my phone speakers only.
The Fender has a warmer and deeper bottom end, Sire has more sparkle and top end. For my tastes and uses I'd go with the Fender (deep house / funk / dub) if I was going for rock bass and cutting through the mix live I'd lean towards the Sire. (Listening on Sennheiser HD 25)
I like my 1st gen v7 a lot. But I did recently play an Am Pro II Jazz, and while the sound was pretty much identical, I do have to say the AMP II felt a good bit nicer to hold and play. Now is it worth 3x the price? That’s solely up to the buyer. To me, already having a v7, no. If I was in the market for a Jazz and had a budget for a US Fender, I’d go US over Sire.
what is that melody at the end?
nik kershaw - the riddle
What does "Noble" preamp mean? I can hardly hear any difference between the two tbh.....
You can record directly into your computer via an interface, but this often doesn’t give the best results. So, many people us a preamp to modify the signal. The Noble preamp is the industry standard and costs 1250 dollars with a 10 month wait! 😳
nobleamps.com/preamps/
@@simonbowkett124 - Thanks !
Como logro conseguir el sonido de la tercera comparación?
As far as feel in my hands go. Sire feel fine
When soloing the neck pickup at 0% tone, the Sire sounded particularly midrangey. That’s where I heard the biggest difference.
Listened to this blind, Sire completely blows the fender out of the water here. Really really curious how a 5 string with a darkclass distortion pedal would sound for metal. Jazz basses always sound real good for metal.
This old man of Aran (you see what I did there?) can hardly tell the difference. I would give this one to the fender by a hair’s breadth.
Thanks for noticing my little "hidden" homage to this timeless gem
Fender for me...
If the Sires ever come in passive mode then I may purchase one.
They do make passive basses with otherwise near identical specs , the V5R. Also, there is a switch on the V7 etc to bypass the preamp and just have volume/blend/passive tone controls
So now actives can perfectly cast a passive tone with more options.
The Sire has Passive pickups wired to an active preamp with a bypass switch for the active part of the circuit. Flip a switch and you have a fully passive bass with Volume/Tone/Blend controls.
Fender tiene mejores medios y eso le da un sonido más lleno y redondo. Aunque suenan muy parecido, Fender tiene un mejor sonido para mi, se nota más en el microfono del puente.
My fenders have sat collecting dust since I moved to better playing active jazz basses from other companies like Bacchus (cant go wrong with an Japanese made bass brand)
They are suprisingly close. Came into this biased toward the Fender Player. But by the end, decided that the Sire has both more clarity and more depth. So it's more versatile and probably sounds closer to the more modern sounding American Professional. The Fender Player has a bit more of a vintage midrange burp - could sound very nice with a hot-driven Ampeg B15 or V-4b grind. But it's more limited. Sonically, I prefer the Sire, visually the Fender looks more right. Not a fan of the Sire puck headstock. But it wins on sound, versatility and price (in Europe at least).
Fender sounds a bit brighter and defined in the hi mids, Sire is fuller on the low mids more my kind of sound, both great anyway
The Sire lack a little about clarity but sounds good.
Bit of Nik Kershaw there at the end ;-)
not much in it - slightly prefer the fender to my surprise (as a sire owner) - just sounds a little bit extra...
Neck on Sire is has a little bit less top end.
I think I hear a bit more complexity in the sire's tone.
The fender player is more expensive than the Sire and it doesn't sound better, in fact, even if there is a difference, nothing justifies paying more for having Fender on the headstock. Good materials in the Sire, and more in the ash basses, and a preamp with many possibilities. If you don't like the pickups, you can change it and it's cheaper doing this and buying the bass than the Player for sure.
That awkward headstock on sire is why I’d pay more for a fender
Sire all day
Muito bacana. Levadas sensacionais !!
In a band can you really tell?
Me parece que el sonido del fender es mas gordo...el sire mas finito sobre todo en los acordes finales 🇦🇷
I've never had a fender but if I've had 4 sires, you always notice a little difference in clipped mids on the sire which makes the fender sound rounder. something that with a little equalization can be balanced.
Comprate un American Ultra aunque te cueste un ojo de la cara. No te arrepentirás
La diferencia es pequeña entre ambos, pero me quedo con el Fender, suena un poquito más oscuro.
The fender has tone, you can clearly hear the sound of the wood, the sire has great electronics but it has no tone due to the lack of quality wood, you can hear the sound of the electric wave. In a study, a sire does not perform, anyone can verify that. Now when you see the prices, the sire is really highly recommended.
Fender
Fender wins
I'll sure get a Fender any day than a "pretend to be Fender" bass!
What is the melody at the end?
It's called The Riddle