Our Batteries Are Dead. Upgrading To LiFeP04 For Winter!
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
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Avoid turning fridges off overnight. Seen other videos of people getting food poisoning doing that. 😅
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hey guys I would just like to wish you both a very mery xmas and a happy new year, thank you for your Vvlogs all year, look forward to watching you in 2024.
Happy Christmas & new year! Thanks for watching throughout!
Great subject, I have been thinking about moving away from lead acid batterys, the only thing that I haven't got my head around yet is how the Alternator will cope. I believe LiFeP0 batteries have a different DC resistance to lead acid and therefore the Alternator see's them as a 'Flat' battery and will always output full charge, not good for your alternator. I guess you have a gizmo that deals with this?
Yeah we installed a Victron DC/DC charger before we’d ever thought of LiFeP04, which was handy as it basically regulates it like you said & is customisable to whatever type of batteries you use I just put the setting to LiFeP04 & it works. Only thing at the minute is our alternator puts out 70a, we’ve got a single 30a DC DC charger so potential to fit another one to double the output but the alternators slightly out of line so the belts slipping pretty badly unless you ease the charger in. I’ll try and get round to fixing it at some point 😫
How much power can your inverter draw? The BMS in that battery can only support 200A
The inverter maxes out at 250a so I’m hoping I can adjust that through my SmartShunt - otherwise I’ll add a 100ah battery to the system
The trouble with lead acid is it needs to go into float for few hours after it appears to be fully charged, lifepo4 doesn't need to be floated so takes less time to charge AND more importantly not floating lead acid shortens its life, lifepo4 doesn't care 👍
Ahh another benefit of LiFeP04, didn’t know about that!
Great upgrade 👍. Always need the essentials first before turning off the power, kettle full ✅ tea on tap ✅. Let’s go 😂😂
Have a great Christmas and new year, thanks for all your vlogs ❤❤
😂😂 priorities! Happy Christmas & new year!
Nice! I have been interested in a LiFeP04 battery to replace the house battery in my sailboat so I have been watching some technical videos. It is good to see a real world installation. Brilliant work cleaning up the electrics.
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Glad to hear it was useful! Thank you!
A nicely put together video and you did pretty darn well getting all that lot sorted out in such a short space of time. Beautiful lithium :)
Thanks appreciate it!
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year 🎉. Hope 2024 is good to you.🇨🇦
Happy Christmas & new year!
Be careful with your alternator. if your battery gets to 100% and turns off charging it can destroy your alternator. you need to be a controller that controls your alternator so it wont be damaged.
Yeah we’ve had a Victron DC-DC charger fitted since we had the old batteries installed
Those instant noodles can be used in a stir-fry just simmer in water to soften leaving out the flavouring then drain add to your own made stir fry
Yes we’ve done that a few times!
Hi, does the engine still charge the new batteries? I heard that the charg from the engine alternator is not safe for ur kind of battery.
did you get the usb to work
and thanks
Still not working! That’s a blue sea systems one as well, that units about £60!
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Happy Christmas & new year guys!
You guys are awesome! Although I have a wee complaint, every time we watch one of your vlogs we spend money! 🤣🤣🤣
We have just bought the same battery with the 12v smart battery charger and the monitor. Very happy boaters sat here right now! Thank you for the discount code 🤩🤩🤩Keep going with the fab vlogs 🤩🤩🤩 Happy new year 🥳
😂😂 oh no! Happy New Year!
Should keep you going for a while, merry Christmas to you both, 😁👍
Thank you. Happy new year to you!
I can't believe I found this hidden gem! It's a game-changer.. - "In the grand journey of life, you're the hero of your story.."
Happy Christmas and all the best for 2024 🎉🎉🎉
Happy Christmas & new year!
You did good. Those are 280ah cells LFP cells. 4 s for yours which is 4 cells. Same ones I have but I built my own with the cells. I have 64 cells which make 4 16s packs at 48 volts(really not 48 volts they are 58.4 in truth) 1 year and I have not seen any drop in capacity. I would suggest getting another one and dividing the load using a busbar. See they can stay lower in voltage and be fine unlike lead acid.
Yeah we’re considering adding another in the future - although at the minute we could go around 6-7 days without taking charge (and that’s with virtually zero solar this time of year)
Fridges use most power when the compressor switches on?? 😮
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What's the touch screen control you have
It's the Victron GX Touch 50 + Cerbo GX to plug everything into - amzn.to/4azUIUm
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Wishing you Both a GOD BLESSED XMAS and a HAPPY NEW YEAR
Happy Christmas & new year!
Thank You very much, Love watching your videos😁@@DanniandJoe
Hi Joe and Danni. Another interesting video as always. Can I ask a question? How are you charging the battery. Have you got anything between the battery and engine to protect your alternator? Are you using a DC to DC Converter? Merry Christmas!
Yeah we’ve got a single Victron Orion DC-DC charger (30a), it’s about the max our alternator belt & bracket can take at the minute, I’d planned to add another but I need to get the bracket sorted better first
perhaps another battery like your other would a great back up plan ....... not all eggs in one basket theory ........more power the better........great white north.....S
The one thing I learnt with the old setup is if it was too big a bank you’d struggle to reach a high enough voltage & amps for long enough to get a charge into the bank - will see how we get on though!
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Happy Christmas & new year!
If I remember correctly, you have a huge alternator. It's going massively under utilized by that 30A DC-DC charger. Victron has a new 50A DC-DC unit as well as a different model that can do 100A. One of those would reduce engine runtime to put more power back into your batteries.
We upgraded the alternator to a 70a - with the intention of running 2 x 30a DC DC chargers but we’ve had issues with the alternators bracket & belts, it’s not quite in line so struggles with the single 30a at the minute. From what people have said 70a is about the limit for these old BMC engines
@@DanniandJoe oh. Ok. Thanks for the correction
Great vlog...........Merry Christmas to you both.
Happy new year to you!
Hi, Just come across your channel.
I have been using an Ecoworthy 100AH LifePo for about 4 months at home, DC to DC Voltage and current controlled charging from off peak electricity during the night, and using it mainly to run my Computer. I intend to get some Solar panels to help top it up during daylight.
Nice set up.
Currently building some Battery packs from used 18560 Laptop batteries. Testing is a nightmare looking for potential bad cells that get warm.
Good luck with it all.
Hi Guys, hope the new year brings both of you better luck. With regard to your OLD batteries. In your situation the batteries were either 'Matt' or 'Gel' type deep cycle batteries (you should never use WET Cell batteries as they emit flammable HYDROGEN gas; not good for combined spaces) Now, a 12v DC battery is fully charged at about 13.7v. However, once the charge has fallen to between 12v and 11.5 volts the battery is only at 20% capacity and continued use WILL start to damage the battery. There is a device avaiiable that will shut down the 12v system when it reaches that critical stage. I have a caravan which can be likened to a land narrow boat; same system, same circumstances. My 'Matt' deep cycle batters (2x110AH) lasted me 8 years. Not familiar with the lithium batteries, but I believe they'll give you good service. All the best for the upcoming 2024.
Great install! Just a short note...I charge my Lithium batteries for my shop equipment in a fireproof steel chest just in case of mishap. Suggest lining your battery area with a fireproof material such as cement board with a lid. Happy Travels....Good Luck...!
At first I was wondering how you figured out the equivalent Lifepo to lead-acid values, until I saw how far each can be discharged. Still, a lead-acid battery can discharge to 50 percent while a Lifepo and go to 20 percent....so I guess to your are just keeping it simple by doubling the value, and gaining a bit of capacity as well.
An early Christmas present - a Danni & Joe. Save for later! Merry Christmas to the two best UA-camrs - thanks for a year of fun shenanigans and hopefully you have it in you to keep us all entertained in the new year. 🎄 ⭐ 🎄
Thanks Paul happy new year hope you had a great Christmas!
15 year battery life is amazing - a case of battery tech coming of age!
Have you considered changing your charge alternator? I believe they function the same as a car/van alternator, so if you measure the mountings, mountings to pulley alignment and space available you could make a point of dropping into a few scrap yards - especially as you cruise through cheaper areas. Cars typically run around 100 amp alternators nowadays and diesels a little less. With a smart charging system you shouldn't need to worry about it being overpowered - it should shut off when charged and in doing so it will take the load off the engine of the more powerful alternator.
make sure you have a DC-DC convertor else your altenator will go bye bye
Yeah we’ve had a Victron DC-DC since installing the first batteries
Merry Christmas
Maybe have wind turbine while parked up but would you still need a battery for this to work too
Yeah we’ve considered a Turbine! I think it’s hard to get them mounted without causing a lot of noise and vibration though - but can’t be worse than having to run the boats engine to charge!
good vid on channel cranking it obn cut keep up the cool vid thank merry chrismas all thanks lee
Happy new year to you!
If you have the funds I would put another battery in as you inverter is 3000w to be on safe side. And also get a victron battery temp sensor so if it’s cold so it doesn’t try charging and damage the lithium batteries. Great setup by the way. Send the lead acid to the graveyard lol
No no the best asin noodles are MAMA noodles especial spicy shrimp ones
The Tom Yum ones? Yeah they’re nice - the texture of these Buldak ones are amazing though
Great job well done
Thank you! Cheers!
Happy Christmas to you both!
Happy Christmas & new year!
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Merry Xmas guys!!
Happy Christmas & new year!
Hi Danny & Joe ,well I would like to wish you both a Happy Christmas and a great new year ,well I just
Have been following you a long time now this year has been so exciting with you getting married in the USA ,then your bike trip that was very interesting and enjoyable,so let’s hope 2024 is going to be as good ,do you have plans for next year ,are you going to keep living on the boat but i remember Danny say not another winter on this boat? Well guys it’s Christmas Eve I’m not to happy as I had a full my fault I forgot to but the brakes on on my wheelchair went to get in it from my recliner and ended up on the floor in a very painful heap if it doesn’t improve over Christmas then it’s of to the hospital to get it checked,fingers crossed till next time take care keep safe by the way most enjoyable and interesting blog 🎄🌹🎅🏻🫣😜🤶🙏🤩🌲🧑🦽🥳
Thanks John! Happy Christmas & new year! Sorry to hear about your fall that sounds awful.
Yeah we’ll be on the boat this year, maybe the odd adventure thrown in along the way but we’re not 100% sure what yet!
Hi could you do a video of all the equipment and what it does in the cubby hole where the battery is?
One other thing when a battery dies, you need to replace all batteries within the system as the remain ones will effect the new one over a relative short time
Well done love the way you'll have a go at anything fair play bud look foward to the next
Merry Christmas and an awesome new year
Happy Christmas & new year!
Whose a clever little well done and Danny bang on time for coffee xx
You could also upgrade the alternator to 60amps
Hi both great vlog as always, hope you have a very merry Christmas and a happy and healthy 2024, can’t wait to see what shinanagins you get up to next year🎉
Thank you! Happy Christmas & new year!
Merry Christmas :)
Happy Christmas & new year!
I went lifepo4 total game changer 👍👍👍
We should’ve done it earlier really! How many AH is your bank out of interest?
@@DanniandJoe hi 300 ah I’ve got 240 fridge 240 tv I turn fridge off at night 240 micro wave don’t worry at all now about battery running out 👍
Looking good.but as you said with the solar charging will you buy a second lithium po4 battery to give you more storage for power?
After a bit of testing we with the 280ah at 100% charged we could go 6-7 days without having to charge, that’s with virtually zero solar input so summer we’ll definitely be fine. With the engine running/cruising through winter I think maybe another 100ah would help but another 280ah probably overkill for us
looking gooood! well done 👏🏻
Nice job on reworking your electrical closet! Merry Christmas you two, and I wish you all the best for the upcoming year!
Thank you! Happy Christmas & new year!
May peace, love, and prosperity follow you always. Merry Christmas to you and your loved ones
Happy Christmas & new year!
A technical week, no outdoors! Have a good Christmas.
Happy Christmas & new year!
At least when you weigh the old batteries in at a scrap yard you will have a few quid back in the new year 👍🏼
Yeah should be £60-70!
Nice one looks well tidy have a Merry Merry Christmas 🙂🦢🦢🎄✌️
Thank you! Happy Christmas & new year!
Well done a nice job looks lot better now have a Merry Christmas cheers from NZ
Happy Christmas & new year!
Well nice to see you both looking happy no matter what it flung at you both, sometimes its nice seeing the unwanted areas of the boat allows us to see what its like. the good and bad. Its a shame batteries have went in the cold times and extra expense.
Thank you!
Great job! Happy christmas.
Thank you! Happy Christmas & new year!
Merry Christmas to a lovely couple 🎉
Happy Christmas & new year!
Merry Christmas to you both and a happy new year
Happy Christmas & new year!
Merry Xmas guys and a prosperous new year
Happy Christmas & new year!
Merry xmas to you both!
Happy Christmas & new year!
Great vlog. Merry Christmas to you both ❤
Thanks Trevor! Happy Christmas & new year!
@@DanniandJoe hope you both have a fantastic 2024.
HAPPY HOLIDAYS!!!
Happy Christmas & new year!
Hi Joe and Danni, hope you have a wonderful Chrismas!
I don't recommend using lithium batteries, I have seen so many of these catch on fire in cars. They put out explosive deadly gas at that point. The fire is so hot it can can't be put out and the high temperatures can cut through steel and concrete. As mounted in your setup, the odds of failure are lower than in a car due to reduced vibration, lower surge and charge currents, and less temperature extremes.
You will need something to limit charge current from your alternator to about 50 amps. Since you had problems with killing the lead-acid batteries before, you may still have the same problem. Solar output power is considerably less during the winter months so, charging has to be supplemented by shore or generator power (either by alternator or portable generator).
If you have or can fit a 150Ah or higher alternator then I would fit another B2B and have 60 amps charging. Or even better swap your current Orion out for the new 50a Orion XS. You can then monitor it with your Cerbo.... We love blue boxes 😏
BMC 1500's alternator drive pulleys will only cope with 75a or so before they start suffering from chronic slipping issues. I know Joe's had belt issues in the past, so assume they're probably running something in that region. There are dual alternator brackets, but they're rare and possibly not a good idea on an older engine. Otherwise, I'd agree, as lithiums will take charge faster.
As you appear to know more about dc dc chargers can I ask your advice on mine? .. I have 3x130ah AGM batts and at the moment are charged via a victron Orion 30amp charger, I can’t afford to replace it for a larger output version but was thinking maybe getting the small 20amp Renogy dc dc charger to run alongside the victron? Do you think that would work to improve my charge rate? Cheers
Yeah we’ve got an uprated alternator but as they mentioned above our belt and bracket system is struggling with 30a DC-DC alone as the minute - I’m going to try and get that sorted then there’s potential for the second unit for sure!
I have the same engine on my boat as Danni and Jo, the BMC 1500 was never designed to take a massive alternator, I’ve had to upgrade my pulley system just to allow a 90amp Bosch alternator to be fitted, mine is an early “non smart” alternator. To allow enough adjustment movement I’ve had to file away some aluminium off the alternator bracket to give it enough swing to tighten the belt… mine happily feeds the Orion 30amp dc dc charger, although I would love to have more current but having 3xAGM I doubt would accept your example of 60amps
Are you running dual alternators, 1 for leisure, 1 for starter, if running 2 alternators What are you using to protect your leisure alternator?? The lifepo4 will constantly pull the full charge from the alternator until the BMS goes into over voltage and shuts the lifepo4 down, the alternator will still be providing max output with nowhere to go eventual frying the alternator??
We’re using Victron Orion DC-DC charger inbetween the starting battery and leisure battery. Had it installed since the original batteries were in
Merry Christmas guys x
Happy Christmas & new year!