What I love about the EFCA is that what commonly divides other churches doesn't in the EFCA. Believers baptism? Infant baptism? Both are welcome in the church. Grow in your faith and appreciate the fact that you ARE baptized. Memorialism? Real presence? Come, prepare yourself. Then take and receive what you will. Meet the Lord at the supper that He instituted for our benefit. It's as if this denomination actually takes seriously the commands of Christ to be united. It's a breath of fresh air to me who comes from more a strict tradition.
@PatriotParadigmhe admires not dividing over tertiary and some secondary issues. you may have a different theological conviction about what these are and think they are “false” but it doesnt aeparate those from being orthodox christians. Also Christ explicitly prayed for unity within the church which EFCA does well
I've been a member of an Evangelical Free church for 25 years. We do not allow those who are unsaved to participate in communion. Salvation is a requirement for communion. Baptism is by immersion, but left up to the individual as to when they want to be baptized. I grew up Baptist and the only difference that I've been able to see between our church and Baptist is that concerning membership. Baptism is not a requirement for membership. As far as cessationism, the stance is "open, but cautious." We are led by a team of elders with a Senior Pastor. Board brings issues to the congregation who then votes on it.
My home church is EFCA and we hold that you should not take the sacraments unless you are saved. Just wanted to throw it out there in case anyone was curious to that point! P.S. i love this channel, i recently found it and have begun listening to the videos while at work. Thanks for the content!
I would make one correction. I would not say that all independent Baptist churches are either Calvinist or Arminian. Some, particularly those who are self-described IFB would say they are neither.
You have great videos brother, thank you for taking the time to inform us believers on the various denominations. I do consider my self non-denominational, but still interesting to learn about the denominations.
@@ruthvansandt9713 There are a few doctrinal things I disagree with Calvary Chapels, such as their moses model church government, continuation of sign gifts, and most don't preach out of the KJB. But nevertheless I also agree with them on other areas of doctrine. They seem pretty solid, since they do expository preaching, which is good because you get more out of the bible rather than a preacher preaching topical teachings all the time.
@@Andy_The_Preacher thanks. I agree with continuation and am not KJV only. I’m not quite sure what you mean by Moses model? I mostly just wondered if there are comparisons like these videos including CC
Thank you, Professor Joshua, for introducing me to an overview of the Evangelical Free Church. Now it makes sense how Chuck Swindoll became the head man for Dallas Theological Seminary for a time. Blessings.
a little off topic but a while back i drove past a "primitive baptist" church. wondering if that would be worthy of a video comparing to an IFB. just curious and didn't know what the primitive was. thanks!
I attended a Baptist church for a long time. Then moved and been going to an Efree church for 3 yrs now. I find there is really no diffrence between both churches. Both services are contemporary. Both baptize by immersion believers only. I may feel that communion is more reverent in the Efree church and done every month. I really like the Efree very much.
Are Evangelical Free Churches also known as "Non-denominational?"Been a little confused about this. Most churches around me that don't use a denomination fit under the EF description.
Many Non denom churches will be very similar to Evangelical Free. Others are like Bible Churches (see video on this channel) and others are like Southern Baptist. Of course, nondenominational churches can be like nearly anything, but most fall into those types.
As a member of an EFCC church, (E-free Church of Canada) and as a past member of a Baptist church I can say with some assurance that the differences are minimal. Of course this depends on the local EFC congregation. Many are now quite liberal here in Canada and most are very contemporary in style. The church I'm a part of is the exception to the rule and is very conservative in theology and style, even compared our local Baptist church. E-free is about as independent as one can get without actually being an independent church which is both good and bad imo. The one problem I see within the EFCC is that it is very hard to work with other local EFCC congregations on things like outreach or pooling resources or programing because of the differences in style and direction. Further, the disagree but not divide view is fine until there needs to be open and frank discussion and then often people are too timid to open up without first being told its ok to do so. Moreover, because the local church calls the pastor, a church can end up with a pastor who can change his theology over time without any over sight from higher leadership. By the time the congregation is ready to call the pastor to account its often either too late or its too timid of an approach and it can lead to to a church in chaos. Yet even with all of that it is very nice to have differing views within a congregation on things like end times or baptism and not just be in an echo chamber.
Personally, I am concerned with the idea that we can agree to disagree due to exactly what you stated above. I would rather land on a congregation that is more like-minded. An Echo chamber example can be very good as long as it is secure in the Truth and led by the Holy Spirit. Also, silence can lead to confusion in the church.
IFB do not adopt forms of Christian feminism (egalitarian ) but EFCA does. EFCA would say that the verbs, teach and authority, in 1Ti 2:12 mean ordination not actions. 1Ti 2:12 does not mention anything about the laying on of hands or being set apart. I attended EFCA in CHI for over 20yrs then left.
After watching dozens of your videos I've come to really respect your opinion and objectivity. As a infant baptized Lutheran Church Missouri Synod Christian who had an experience ( Born Again, rededication, realization) at an fundamental Independent Baptist Church at the school I attended, never re baptized....... any chance that I am saved and going to heaven even though I still believe in things like true presence at the Lord's Supper? Really love your channel regardless of answer
The presence of Christ in Communion is not a salvation issue, nor is mode of baptism. The question is where a person is placing their trust. "not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us" and "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved." I'm glad to hear you've enjoyed the videos.
@@ReadyToHarvest I love the fact that you can accurately differentiate between the different beliefs and practices of the various denominations of the Lutheran Church much better than 99% of the Lutherans that I know….. and I work in a Lutheran Church.
I am a independent fundamental missionary Baptist I believe that you must believe the Lord Jesus Christ as your savior and you being born again you are my brother and sister in Christ
Evangelical Free Churches would generally be more Grace focused, warm hearted and nowhere near as shallowly legalistic or controlling as IFB churches. The 'man of God' concept of single pastoral rule that prevails in IFB circles as well as being unScriptural creates a rife climate for cultic personality veneration and all manner of abuse. The IFB has been long blighted by this.
I don't know what IB churches you have been to but the one I go to is totally grace focused, we care greatly for each other we have a list of anniversaries and birthdays of members and actually put them on the screen each sunday so our members can be aware of it, and yes most members use KJV not because we all feel its the only one, it's just our pastor was taught that way. BTW come down and join the paintball fight led by the mens sunday school class leader. I am surprised you would lump everybody in the same basket. I have been to several churches both types, and NEVER have seen anything like what you profess happens. Maybe you are talking about the 1400's in Salem
Over 15 years in the IFB and was 100% invested. I served the on the Deacon's Board as Chairman and Treasurer. I taught Sunday School from kid's church to "Senior Saints." I was faithful in Soulwinning, conferences, VBS, etc. Some may say "not all are the same because they are independent." I beg to differ. My family and I have left and are now "recovering" from the mental and legalistic influences. I would ask that all research outside of what the IFB teaches. Over 2 years of studying and researching while serving and fully invested in the IFB. I was "sold out," but sadly my view was skewed from the pulpit. Read the bible without the IFB glasses and research non-biased/non-ifb history and you'll see that much of the IFB foundation are the same and riddled with a messy history of contradictions and hypocrisy. To each their own, but I urge everyone to study the Bible on their own without the skewed influence of the "Man of God" behind the pulpit. Galatians 5
@@dgale1023 I used the term 'generally' and of course there are exceptions which your church may well be. An IFB pastor I strongly recommend is Thomas Cucuzza, a lovely man and a great exponent of the Biblical Gospel of Free Grace. Unfortunately, I haven't come across many others like him emanating from the IFB camp. Far too many domineering bully boys occupy the pulpit. Anyhow, check out his videos on YT. Great stuff.
@@markcabangon3885 Great post Brother Mark. So glad you decided to be a Berean reading the Scriptures for yourself and comparing against interpretions by 'the man of God' so often given virtual infallible status in the IFB whether old or new style. I wouldn't dare say all IFB churches are the same with some more akin to the moderate fundamentalism of the IFCI or the EFCA but good that you and your family have been drawn out of an abusive, stultifying spiritual environment. May the Lord in His Grace in His way and in His time cause you to grow and be the people He would have you to be, holding the Truth in love and shining ever brighter for Him. Abundant blessings.
@@bloodboughtbigphilr8266 Thanks for that. It means a lot since we are starting to be sent messages...not so desirable, but expected with the environment.
What?!?! No, I was raised Evangelical Free. It was definitely closed communion. I attend a church that has Open communion now (UMC), and I always bristle. It’s uncomfortable for me.
I would say your church was in the minority. 94% of EFCA ministers say their church doesn't require baptism for participating in communion, for example. Most EFCA churches that state a position on communion on their website say it is open to all believers. (example: www.keokukefree.org/frequently-asked-questions/)
@@ReadyToHarvest Oh, to all believers. Yes, that’s right. I’m sorry, I thought that meant open to anyone who wanted it, whether or not they were believers. Yes, I understand how weird that sounds, but my pastor invited everyone to partake , even if they were just “interested” in Communion. That’s why I said it made me feel uncomfortable. But now I understand what “open” and “closed” communion means. What my pastor said is just way too open for me, lol.
Very good job on the video. I shows how mixed up the churches are, it is a ball of confusion. I believe in the inerrancy of scripture but how can the denominations be all over the place in their theology? Some body is in error because the errror is not the bible. The bible is inerrant. What they have in common is what is causing the disagreeing doctrines. Food for thought related to this, you figure it out for yourself. 1 If the church started at the cross then why are the 12 wanting to know when the Kingdom will be restored to Israel? The kingdom is not the church it is Jerusalem and the King of kings sitting on the throne of David. 2 Peter in Act 10 [28] And he said unto them (the gentiles at the house of Cornelius), Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean. IF it is true that Peter preached to gentiles ( they get this from Acts 2:5) why did he tell the gentiles at Cornelius's that it was unlawful for him to associate with gentiles? 3 Why did it take God putting Peter in a trance giving him 3 visions before he would consider going to Cornelius? 4 If Peter was preaching the gospel to all people why would the people that Peter preached to then do this in Acts.11 [19] Now they which were scattered abroad upon the persecution that arose about Stephen travelled as far as Phenice, and Cyprus, and Antioch, preaching the word to none but unto the Jews only.? Part of the problem is the Protestants believe the same thing that the Catholics believe in error. Jesus says in Acts 1 [7] And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power. [8] But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth. Why is Peter or his converts not preaching to men of all nations and making disciples of them like Jesus instructed? Matthew 28:19 Go, therefore, and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, OR as Acts 8 says go to the uttermost part of the earth? Times and seasons Acts 1:7 Does it look like the Christian church or is this the Jews under OT law? Perhaps if you start on the wrong premise you will build the church wrong and the churches never agree completely on their big doctrines.
No such thing as a non independent baptist church. I and my church in my association are just as independent as an IFB church. We join our association every year and can leave at will and no human has authority over me or my church.
here in the Philippines there are many baptwist & "ibang illegal" church (👈🏾not evangelical, "ibang illegal") "ibang"means in Tagalog "different" all of them born to gain not born again.
@@63stratoman The bible doesn't mention not being saved if you're not baptized, it mentions not being saved if you deny the true teachings of Christ, not to mention spiritual baptism is very much a thing.
All the Evangelical Free that I have known were (blasphemous) Calvinists(some may not be) while most(not all unfortunately) of Independent Baptists I know are non Calvinistic/pro eternal security- yaay!
Matthew 10:34-39 New King James Version Christ Brings Division 34 “Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword. 35 For I have come to ‘set[a] a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law’; 36 and ‘a man’s enemies will be those of his own household.’ 37 He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. 38 And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. 39 He who finds his life will lose it, and he who loses his life for My sake will find it.
This is principally about relation with the world. We're called to put Him and his teachings above what the world thinks. He is not calling for division within the Church. Jesus Himself and especially Paul mention many times the importance of the church being a united front against the world. An example (direct Jesus speaking): “I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will believe in Me through their word; that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me. And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one: I in them, and You in Me; that they may be made perfect in one, and that the world may know that You have sent Me, and have loved them as You have loved Me."(John 17:20-23 NKJV) From Paul(who in many of his writings talks about how important it is to be united in thought and action): "I, therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you to walk worthy of the calling with which you were called, with all lowliness and gentleness, with longsuffering, bearing with one another in love, endeavoring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all."(Ephesians 4:1-6 NJKV) It is also important to note that they agreed on the big things but the apostles didn't all agree on the minor things. A perfect example is when Paul and Peter disagreed on whether Gentiles had to follow the old Law in Galations 2:11-21. By Paul calling Peter out in love on him essentially saying that by requiring Gentiles to follow the Old Law, he was saying that Jesus's death was meaningless, Peter changed his opinion. That's just as big a disagreement as any of our own today, maybe more so since its implications undermined the most fundamental principles of the faith, yet they didn't separate because they both agreed on the fundamentals. We're called to do the same, to converse about these issues but not to separate on them.
What I love about the EFCA is that what commonly divides other churches doesn't in the EFCA. Believers baptism? Infant baptism? Both are welcome in the church. Grow in your faith and appreciate the fact that you ARE baptized. Memorialism? Real presence? Come, prepare yourself. Then take and receive what you will. Meet the Lord at the supper that He instituted for our benefit. It's as if this denomination actually takes seriously the commands of Christ to be united. It's a breath of fresh air to me who comes from more a strict tradition.
@PatriotParadigmhe admires not dividing over tertiary and some secondary issues. you may have a different theological conviction about what these are and think they are “false” but it doesnt aeparate those from being orthodox christians. Also Christ explicitly prayed for unity within the church which EFCA does well
I've been a member of an Evangelical Free church for 25 years. We do not allow those who are unsaved to participate in communion. Salvation is a requirement for communion. Baptism is by immersion, but left up to the individual as to when they want to be baptized. I grew up Baptist and the only difference that I've been able to see between our church and Baptist is that concerning membership. Baptism is not a requirement for membership. As far as cessationism, the stance is "open, but cautious." We are led by a team of elders with a Senior Pastor. Board brings issues to the congregation who then votes on it.
Yep.
The "congregation" being a mix of members and attendees get to vote on issues in the church? You do not have to be a member to vote?
My home church is EFCA and we hold that you should not take the sacraments unless you are saved. Just wanted to throw it out there in case anyone was curious to that point!
P.S. i love this channel, i recently found it and have begun listening to the videos while at work. Thanks for the content!
Thanks Grant! Full video on the EFCA coming in the next 3 months
@@ReadyToHarvest excellent! Can't wait!
@@ReadyToHarvest Maybe compare with the Evangelical Covenant Church since they have a similar ethos and history.
@@mj6493 EFCA probably a little more in common with Christian Missionary Alliance.
Thank you for clearly outlining both so clearly. It was very helpful.
I would make one correction. I would not say that all independent Baptist churches are either Calvinist or Arminian. Some, particularly those who are self-described IFB would say they are neither.
You have great videos brother, thank you for taking the time to inform us believers on the various denominations. I do consider my self non-denominational, but still interesting to learn about the denominations.
Thanks! Much more to come.
@@ReadyToHarvest It would be interesting if you could do a video on the Calvary Chapel movement. Calvary Chapels are pretty common where I live.
Yes I’m looking for more on Calvary Chapel also. One of these three seems closest to me and I’m moving and looking.
@@ruthvansandt9713 There are a few doctrinal things I disagree with Calvary Chapels, such as their moses model church government, continuation of sign gifts, and most don't preach out of the KJB. But nevertheless I also agree with them on other areas of doctrine. They seem pretty solid, since they do expository preaching, which is good because you get more out of the bible rather than a preacher preaching topical teachings all the time.
@@Andy_The_Preacher thanks. I agree with continuation and am not KJV only. I’m not quite sure what you mean by Moses model? I mostly just wondered if there are comparisons like these videos including CC
Thank you, Professor Joshua, for introducing me to an overview of the Evangelical Free Church. Now it makes sense how Chuck Swindoll became the head man for Dallas Theological Seminary for a time. Blessings.
Imo an independent baptist will require immersion for membership but they wouldn't say it's necessary for salvation; eg Penitent Thief.
Completely right.
a little off topic but a while back i drove past a "primitive baptist" church. wondering if that would be worthy of a video comparing to an IFB. just curious and didn't know what the primitive was. thanks!
Excellent, clear and helpful summary! Thanks
I have attended Evangelical free church 68 years, have never heard of an EFCA church the baptized by sprinkling.
Yes, very few do in practice, but they allow it.
1:20 "Potlucks" nice xD
lol fr
Ever thought of producing a video covering the church succession and history? Similar to the book titled "Trail of Blood."
Thank you very much for the information.
I attended a Baptist church for a long time. Then moved and been going to an Efree church for 3 yrs now. I find there is really no diffrence between both churches. Both services are contemporary. Both baptize by immersion believers only. I may feel that communion is more reverent in the Efree church and done every month. I really like the Efree very much.
Are Evangelical Free Churches also known as "Non-denominational?"Been a little confused about this. Most churches around me that don't use a denomination fit under the EF description.
Many Non denom churches will be very similar to Evangelical Free. Others are like Bible Churches (see video on this channel) and others are like Southern Baptist.
Of course, nondenominational churches can be like nearly anything, but most fall into those types.
@@ReadyToHarvest thank you very much.
As a member of an EFCC church, (E-free Church of Canada) and as a past member of a Baptist church I can say with some assurance that the differences are minimal. Of course this depends on the local EFC congregation. Many are now quite liberal here in Canada and most are very contemporary in style. The church I'm a part of is the exception to the rule and is very conservative in theology and style, even compared our local Baptist church. E-free is about as independent as one can get without actually being an independent church which is both good and bad imo. The one problem I see within the EFCC is that it is very hard to work with other local EFCC congregations on things like outreach or pooling resources or programing because of the differences in style and direction. Further, the disagree but not divide view is fine until there needs to be open and frank discussion and then often people are too timid to open up without first being told its ok to do so. Moreover, because the local church calls the pastor, a church can end up with a pastor who can change his theology over time without any over sight from higher leadership. By the time the congregation is ready to call the pastor to account its often either too late or its too timid of an approach and it can lead to to a church in chaos. Yet even with all of that it is very nice to have differing views within a congregation on things like end times or baptism and not just be in an echo chamber.
Personally, I am concerned with the idea that we can agree to disagree due to exactly what you stated above. I would rather land on a congregation that is more like-minded. An Echo chamber example can be very good as long as it is secure in the Truth and led by the Holy Spirit. Also, silence can lead to confusion in the church.
IFB do not adopt forms of Christian feminism (egalitarian ) but EFCA does. EFCA would say that the verbs, teach and authority, in 1Ti 2:12 mean ordination not actions. 1Ti 2:12 does not mention anything about the laying on of hands or being set apart. I attended EFCA in CHI for over 20yrs then left.
Very helpful.
Some Independent Baptists are so separated, they don’t even use gravity!
So separated that they make a separate sandwich for the peanut butter and the jelly!
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@@ReadyToHarvest Lol this cracked me up for some reason
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I grew up as an evangelical Christian but we get baptized after salvation. And we do restrict someone from taking communion unless saved and baptized
EF sounds pretty good to me. Agree on the core and allow difference of opinion on all else
Very informative vid ✌️
Great video!
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After watching dozens of your videos I've come to really respect your opinion and objectivity. As a infant baptized Lutheran Church Missouri Synod Christian who had an experience ( Born Again, rededication, realization) at an fundamental Independent Baptist Church at the school I attended, never re baptized....... any chance that I am saved and going to heaven even though I still believe in things like true presence at the Lord's Supper? Really love your channel regardless of answer
The presence of Christ in Communion is not a salvation issue, nor is mode of baptism. The question is where a person is placing their trust. "not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us" and "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved." I'm glad to hear you've enjoyed the videos.
@@ReadyToHarvest I love the fact that you can accurately differentiate between the different beliefs and practices of the various denominations of the Lutheran Church much better than 99% of the Lutherans that I know….. and I work in a Lutheran Church.
I am a independent fundamental missionary Baptist I believe that you must believe the Lord Jesus Christ as your savior and you being born again you are my brother and sister in Christ
IFB are religious and dead and religious
For where the Spirit of the Lord is there if freedom
I know Baptists missionarys that pray in tongues
Very well done.
Is Evangelical Free the same as Free Grace?
This is very helpful and I think closest to me. The spreadsheet used, is there a wide version available?
Evangelical Free Churches would generally be more Grace focused, warm hearted and nowhere near as shallowly legalistic or controlling as IFB churches. The 'man of God' concept of single pastoral rule that prevails in IFB circles as well as being unScriptural creates a rife climate for cultic personality veneration and all manner of abuse. The IFB has been long blighted by this.
I don't know what IB churches you have been to but the one I go to is totally grace focused, we care greatly for each other we have a list of anniversaries and birthdays of members and actually put them on the screen each sunday so our members can be aware of it, and yes most members use KJV not because we all feel its the only one, it's just our pastor was taught that way. BTW come down and join the paintball fight led by the mens sunday school class leader. I am surprised you would lump everybody in the same basket. I have been to several churches both types, and NEVER have seen anything like what you profess happens. Maybe you are talking about the 1400's in Salem
Over 15 years in the IFB and was 100% invested. I served the on the Deacon's Board as Chairman and Treasurer. I taught Sunday School from kid's church to "Senior Saints." I was faithful in Soulwinning, conferences, VBS, etc. Some may say "not all are the same because they are independent." I beg to differ. My family and I have left and are now "recovering" from the mental and legalistic influences. I would ask that all research outside of what the IFB teaches. Over 2 years of studying and researching while serving and fully invested in the IFB. I was "sold out," but sadly my view was skewed from the pulpit. Read the bible without the IFB glasses and research non-biased/non-ifb history and you'll see that much of the IFB foundation are the same and riddled with a messy history of contradictions and hypocrisy. To each their own, but I urge everyone to study the Bible on their own without the skewed influence of the "Man of God" behind the pulpit. Galatians 5
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I used the term 'generally' and of course there are exceptions which your church may well be. An IFB pastor I strongly recommend is Thomas Cucuzza, a lovely man and a great exponent of the Biblical Gospel of Free Grace. Unfortunately, I haven't come across many others like him emanating from the IFB camp. Far too many domineering bully boys occupy the pulpit. Anyhow, check out his videos on YT. Great stuff.
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Great post Brother Mark. So glad you decided to be a Berean reading the Scriptures for yourself and comparing against interpretions by 'the man of God' so often given virtual infallible status in the IFB whether old or new style. I wouldn't dare say all IFB churches are the same with some more akin to the moderate fundamentalism of the IFCI or the EFCA but good that you and your family have been drawn out of an abusive, stultifying spiritual environment. May the Lord in His Grace in His way and in His time cause you to grow and be the people He would have you to be, holding the Truth in love and shining ever brighter for Him. Abundant blessings.
@@bloodboughtbigphilr8266 Thanks for that. It means a lot since we are starting to be sent messages...not so desirable, but expected with the environment.
What?!?! No, I was raised Evangelical Free. It was definitely closed communion. I attend a church that has
Open communion now (UMC), and I always bristle. It’s uncomfortable for me.
I would say your church was in the minority. 94% of EFCA ministers say their church doesn't require baptism for participating in communion, for example. Most EFCA churches that state a position on communion on their website say it is open to all believers. (example: www.keokukefree.org/frequently-asked-questions/)
@@ReadyToHarvest Oh, to all believers. Yes, that’s right. I’m sorry, I thought that meant open to anyone who wanted it, whether or not they were believers. Yes, I understand how weird that sounds, but my pastor invited everyone to partake , even if they were just “interested” in Communion. That’s why I said it made me feel uncomfortable. But now I understand what “open” and “closed” communion means. What my pastor said is just way too open for me, lol.
This is why I'm an independent Baptist
Never knew Independent Baptists had their own version of apostalic succession.
The very existence of this channel supports the truth of a friend of mine who says that Sola Scriptura creates The Tower of Bible.
although I'm very greatfull for "sola scriptura", I can see your friends point!
Very good job on the video. I shows how mixed up the churches are, it is a ball of confusion. I believe in the inerrancy of scripture but how can the denominations be all over the place in their theology? Some body is in error because the errror is not the bible. The bible is inerrant.
What they have in common is what is causing the disagreeing doctrines.
Food for thought related to this, you figure it out for yourself.
1 If the church started at the cross then why are the 12 wanting to know when the Kingdom will be restored to Israel? The kingdom is not the church it is Jerusalem and the King of kings sitting on the throne of David.
2 Peter in Act 10 [28] And he said unto them (the gentiles at the house of Cornelius), Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean. IF it is true that Peter preached to gentiles ( they get this from Acts 2:5) why did he tell the gentiles at Cornelius's that it was unlawful for him to associate with gentiles?
3 Why did it take God putting Peter in a trance giving him 3 visions before he would consider going to Cornelius?
4 If Peter was preaching the gospel to all people why would the people that Peter preached to then do this in Acts.11
[19] Now they which were scattered abroad upon the persecution that arose about Stephen travelled as far as Phenice, and Cyprus, and Antioch, preaching the word to none but unto the Jews only.?
Part of the problem is the Protestants believe the same thing that the Catholics believe in error.
Jesus says in Acts 1 [7] And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
[8] But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
Why is Peter or his converts not preaching to men of all nations and making disciples of them like Jesus instructed?
Matthew 28:19
Go, therefore, and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, OR as Acts 8 says go to the uttermost part of the earth?
Times and seasons Acts 1:7 Does it look like the Christian church or is this the Jews under OT law?
Perhaps if you start on the wrong premise you will build the church wrong and the churches never agree completely on their big doctrines.
No such thing as a non independent baptist church. I and my church in my association are just as independent as an IFB church. We join our association every year and can leave at will and no human has authority over me or my church.
here in the Philippines there are many baptwist & "ibang illegal" church (👈🏾not evangelical, "ibang illegal") "ibang"means in Tagalog "different" all of them born to gain not born again.
Any church that would deny a true believer because they haven't been baptized is a lost church and you should immediately leave.
They wouldn’t deny them, they would baptize them which is quite biblical.
@@63stratoman The bible doesn't mention not being saved if you're not baptized, it mentions not being saved if you deny the true teachings of Christ, not to mention spiritual baptism is very much a thing.
All the Evangelical Free that I have known were (blasphemous) Calvinists(some may not be) while most(not all unfortunately) of Independent Baptists I know are non Calvinistic/pro eternal security- yaay!
Matthew 10:34-39
New King James Version
Christ Brings Division
34 “Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword. 35 For I have come to ‘set[a] a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law’; 36 and ‘a man’s enemies will be those of his own household.’ 37 He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. 38 And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. 39 He who finds his life will lose it, and he who loses his life for My sake will find it.
This is principally about relation with the world. We're called to put Him and his teachings above what the world thinks. He is not calling for division within the Church. Jesus Himself and especially Paul mention many times the importance of the church being a united front against the world. An example (direct Jesus speaking): “I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will believe in Me through their word; that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me. And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one: I in them, and You in Me; that they may be made perfect in one, and that the world may know that You have sent Me, and have loved them as You have loved Me."(John 17:20-23 NKJV)
From Paul(who in many of his writings talks about how important it is to be united in thought and action):
"I, therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you to walk worthy of the calling with which you were called, with all lowliness and gentleness, with longsuffering, bearing with one another in love, endeavoring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all."(Ephesians 4:1-6 NJKV)
It is also important to note that they agreed on the big things but the apostles didn't all agree on the minor things. A perfect example is when Paul and Peter disagreed on whether Gentiles had to follow the old Law in Galations 2:11-21. By Paul calling Peter out in love on him essentially saying that by requiring Gentiles to follow the Old Law, he was saying that Jesus's death was meaningless, Peter changed his opinion. That's just as big a disagreement as any of our own today, maybe more so since its implications undermined the most fundamental principles of the faith, yet they didn't separate because they both agreed on the fundamentals. We're called to do the same, to converse about these issues but not to separate on them.