Bach translates very well into orchestral versions. He was a genius in layering his compositions. Successors learned from Bach's methods. We cannot say in many cases that they did, but so many grew up while hearing his works, we must conclude they did learn. Orchestration of his pieces provides opportunities to add color that was not there before and a depth of music also.
An imaginary solo concerto, transcribed into a keyboard concerto, transcribed into a solo concerto. Lol. Really successfully done and faithful to the original, while being true and appropriate to the medium at hand. I appreciate that they refrained from a note-for-note copy and made decisions more idiomatic for string ensemble - for example, the replacement of trills with sustained notes, the inclusion of the bass downbeat in the Andante, and the addition throughout of implied textures not possible with two hands. Just a joy to listen to, and will inform my performance of this piece on keyboard from now on.
Well said. In fact, Bach made this in a style of Italian concerto grosso. Some have suggested that Bach indeed wrote this for Orchestra and also for solo keyboard, but only the solo keyboard survived
Oh wow, this is fantastic! I've heard it's actually not too difficult to orchestrate this concerto because of the clear structure, but this seems so masterly done, i'm very impressed. And the music speaks for itself.
Questa trascrizione è efficace, in realtà, perché riporta la musica a quello che Bach voleva realizzare, ossia un Concerto Grosso all’italiana sulla tastiera... è come se Bach ne avesse trascritto al clavicembalo uno per archi realmente esistente, esercizio che effettivamente fece con Vivaldi, Marcello ecc.
E lo ha fatto, in effetti. La mano destra suona la parte del violino, lo so perché l’ho provato tutto ed è perfetto in quanto a passaggi su due corde e cambi di posizione. Ci sono molte musiche sue scritte in origine per violino che poi lui ha adattato per la tastiera. Tanto per fare un esempio molti dei concerti per clavicembalo e le sei trio sonate per organo.
I could try to transcribe it, but I think it would be a lot of guesswork. (but there is a large portion that isn't too hard to transcribe as it is taken directly from the original)
Giorni fa lo provavo col violino e si riconoscevano benissimo posizioni e passaggi su due corde: Bach non aveva neanche cambiato tonalità in questo caso.. Ma non avevo idea che qualcuno lo avesse ricostruito . Bravo!!!!
I don’t understand why this was written for keyboard it sounds almost inappropriate for the original transcription to be keyboard. I mean, maybe there’s some historical reason or something why it was written for keyboard but it just sounds right via orchestra instead. Am I the only one who feels this way?
Yeah, there is a reason why it's called concerto. Keep in mind that lots of Bach's works are lost, and Bach made plenty of solo instrument transcriptions based on his previous chamber/orchestral works
No, that’s the whole beautiful point. Bach shows again his mastery by being able to convey the texture of a concertino against ripieno solely on keyboard. I applaud the arrangement but it really doesn’t add anything in my view.
+SanderPereboom "Original key" is a meaningless term. Just because you're used to a certain tuning doesn't mean anything. Tuning varies not only by era, but also by country, genre, ambient temperature, or a musician's whim. In any case, how would you know what the "original key" sounded like when Bach played it? I'm not saying that it's not known - it is actually known, and his F major was radically different from what we have agreed at the beginning of the 20th century of calling "F major".
+SanderPereboom Preserving the original key didn't mean that much to Johann Sebastian Bach, when he transcribed his violin and oboe concertos into harpsichord concertos. What he *did* care about, was finding a suitable key for the harpsichord - even if this meant transposing the music slightly up, or down. The same goes for this arrangement of Bach's Italian Concerto. Yes, the original key is F major. But apparently G major is better suited for the solo violin part. And who are we to disagree? :-) BTW: +durant kevin They are playing their instruments at baroque low pitch (A=415 Hz), which makes G major sound like F# major. ;-)
@@martinmoller5591 I agree with you that I'm not a huge fan of this transcript or its rendition. I too would have preferred something closest to the original... However I disagree ones shouldn't attempt to adapt this piece for strings. Myself I enjoy playing the right hand with my violin... Well I keep this to myself obviously... I also seem to have read somewhere that some Bach scholars wondered whether there existed a, now lost, violin concerto by Bach, the klavier version we have being him transcribing himself like he did for other genuine Italian concertos (Vivaldi, Marcello).
Bach translates very well into orchestral versions. He was a genius in layering his compositions. Successors learned from Bach's methods.
We cannot say in many cases that they did, but so many grew up while hearing his works, we must conclude they did learn.
Orchestration of his pieces provides opportunities to add color that was not there before and a depth of music also.
An imaginary solo concerto, transcribed into a keyboard concerto, transcribed into a solo concerto. Lol. Really successfully done and faithful to the original, while being true and appropriate to the medium at hand. I appreciate that they refrained from a note-for-note copy and made decisions more idiomatic for string ensemble - for example, the replacement of trills with sustained notes, the inclusion of the bass downbeat in the Andante, and the addition throughout of implied textures not possible with two hands. Just a joy to listen to, and will inform my performance of this piece on keyboard from now on.
1. (Senza indicazione di tempo) 0:00
2. Andante 3:50
3. Presto 8:23
thank you 👍
It's like the seventh Brandenburg Concerto! Fabulous!
Well said. In fact, Bach made this in a style of Italian concerto grosso.
Some have suggested that Bach indeed wrote this for Orchestra and also for solo keyboard, but only the solo keyboard survived
Lovely Barock music vivid , full of sentiments and joy
今、現在、この曲を、ピアノｳﾞｧｰジョンで、練習していますが、とても参考にさせて頂きました。余すところなく全楽章共に、バランス良い、自然な音の流れで、音楽が進行されて行く様に、感動致しました。
後程、再び、聴きたいと思います。🎶❤
I am a harpsichodist & I love this version better than on the harpsichord. Thank you so much.
Oh wow, this is fantastic! I've heard it's actually not too difficult to orchestrate this concerto because of the clear structure, but this seems so masterly done, i'm very impressed. And the music speaks for itself.
I love this arrangement so much ... I'm speechless ...
Parabéns grande Alessandrino.
Soa, realmente, como um Brandenburgues.
People who don't know the source will not notice this is a transcription. Terrific!!!!
Andante: If Bach had written "The Lark Ascending"!
bravo à Alessandrini
THIS IS WONDERFUL!!!!!!!!!! What a great transcription.... right out of the heart of Bach! Thank you for sharing this. BRIAN
High praise indeed I am sure Alessandrini (a harpsichordist also) would be pleased.
Questa trascrizione è efficace, in realtà, perché riporta la musica a quello che Bach voleva realizzare, ossia un Concerto Grosso all’italiana sulla tastiera... è come se Bach ne avesse trascritto al clavicembalo uno per archi realmente esistente, esercizio che effettivamente fece con Vivaldi, Marcello ecc.
Davvero!
SI!
Concordo ;-)
E lo ha fatto, in effetti. La mano destra suona la parte del violino, lo so perché l’ho provato tutto ed è perfetto in quanto a passaggi su due corde e cambi di posizione. Ci sono molte musiche sue scritte in origine per violino che poi lui ha adattato per la tastiera. Tanto per fare un esempio molti dei concerti per clavicembalo e le sei trio sonate per organo.
This is the best Italian Concerto (BVW 971) performances in internet. Thank you very much for uploading. GBU and greetings from Indonesia.
Damn, I wish I could play it on the piano with this much elegance.
I have only one word for this interpretation: "MAGNIFICENT!!"
I could only say this is great arrangement !
I wann play like this with piano.
This is extraordinarily good!
despues de buscar por mas de 20 años al fin encontre lo entrontre fantatico muchas gracias la perfeccion de la musica
Ottima trascrizione; complimenti vivissimi!
Great arrangement, bravissimo Rinaldo.
Does anybody know how to get the sheet music for this arrangement?
I could try to transcribe it, but I think it would be a lot of guesswork. (but there is a large portion that isn't too hard to transcribe as it is taken directly from the original)
Right, that's how I felt. I could try to transcribe it, but I'm interested to see how it was done really.
Interesting that you inquired a year ago, and now your video is out. :)
yes, listen carefully to it and then write it down!
I could try this but it would be impossible for me to transcribe the viola parts :(
@redbrian3655
Agreed. I am really impressed by this arrangement by Alessandrini. I like his edition of the Art of Fugue very much as well.
Giorni fa lo provavo col violino e si riconoscevano benissimo posizioni e passaggi su due corde: Bach non aveva neanche cambiato tonalità in questo caso.. Ma non avevo idea che qualcuno lo avesse ricostruito . Bravo!!!!
0:01 allegro
3:44 andante
8:22 presto
Magnificent transcription.
Bravi.
10:05 Baroque metal for the cellos!
I believe this arrangement might just set the standard of what an keyboard->orchestra transcription should be…!
There is not a good split between the tutti and a soloist though, so I'd say it's imperfect in that way, though it is great, fantastic work.
I think the third one is the most suitable for an orchestral transcription. Btw good work :)
Thank you for the comment!
It just sounds like it was supposed to be for strings
wie die zeit vergeht
Glad you like it. An excellent interpretation indeed.
fabulous
Fantastic!
I don’t understand why this was written for keyboard it sounds almost inappropriate for the original transcription to be keyboard. I mean, maybe there’s some historical reason or something why it was written for keyboard but it just sounds right via orchestra instead. Am I the only one who feels this way?
Yeah, there is a reason why it's called concerto.
Keep in mind that lots of Bach's works are lost, and Bach made plenty of solo instrument transcriptions based on his previous chamber/orchestral works
You can simulate a concerto on the harpsichord as well as on a organ.
No, that’s the whole beautiful point. Bach shows again his mastery by being able to convey the texture of a concertino against ripieno solely on keyboard. I applaud the arrangement but it really doesn’t add anything in my view.
@@MichaelCWBell this “Concerto Italiano” was already a transcription from another concert.
Anyone know if it's possible to get a copy of the score to this arrangement??
¡Insuperable...!
I wonder if this is what it would've sounded like if Bach had made the IC into a sinfonia or something.
damn cool! i played this on its piano version. as expected, the orchestral version is much more cool o_o
Scintillating!
Andante 03:46
8:23
The Presto at 1.25X speed sounds much better and baroque 😄👍🙂
I agree
7:10
Jean Rondeau captó esta esencia.
wher is this cd from ?? which label ? please
3:50 andante
9:48 Heaven
venetian air Vivaldi
Magnifico! che dire, rende meglio del clavicembalo
My Nigga!
Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart My Nigga, too 😅
Its a bit fast.
Its not in the original key
Which begs the question... who cares?
It is in the original key.
EugenArbrakh The original key is F, it sounds like F#.
However, normally, the orchestral version ascends half a key.
+SanderPereboom "Original key" is a meaningless term. Just because you're used to a certain tuning doesn't mean anything. Tuning varies not only by era, but also by country, genre, ambient temperature, or a musician's whim.
In any case, how would you know what the "original key" sounded like when Bach played it? I'm not saying that it's not known - it is actually known, and his F major was radically different from what we have agreed at the beginning of the 20th century of calling "F major".
+SanderPereboom
Preserving the original key didn't mean that much to Johann Sebastian Bach, when he transcribed his violin and oboe concertos into harpsichord concertos. What he *did* care about, was finding a suitable key for the harpsichord - even if this meant transposing the music slightly up, or down. The same goes for this arrangement of Bach's Italian Concerto. Yes, the original key is F major. But apparently G major is better suited for the solo violin part. And who are we to disagree? :-)
BTW: +durant kevin
They are playing their instruments at baroque low pitch (A=415 Hz), which makes G major sound like F# major. ;-)
Very good, but Alessandrini should be used a cello as "basso continuo", he used viola, because this this orchestral version like as Mozart will be...
+Vinicius Ferreira da Paixão I don't know what you're talking about. There are cellos and even double basses and a harpsichord in the orchestra.
Please don't use google translate, you make no sense
@@Timrath he is talking about the 'solo' part accompaniment.
This is a very bad transcription. And it is poor played. You should never try to transcibe the Italienisches Konzert.
Martin Möller oi mate wtf do you mean its poorly played?
Bob Wub I mean it could have been played better. More like the original work. This is too light, too fancy, I think.
The whole point of the IC was for it to sound like a concerto transcription
@@martinmoller5591 I agree with you that I'm not a huge fan of this transcript or its rendition. I too would have preferred something closest to the original... However I disagree ones shouldn't attempt to adapt this piece for strings. Myself I enjoy playing the right hand with my violin... Well I keep this to myself obviously...
I also seem to have read somewhere that some Bach scholars wondered whether there existed a, now lost, violin concerto by Bach, the klavier version we have being him transcribing himself like he did for other genuine Italian concertos (Vivaldi, Marcello).
Ignore the troll