In video games it's noticeable when the tutorial/first level (or the "first chapter" of the game) is carefully planned and when it's not. Ideally, it's one of the last things done so the tutorial can include what the entire game requires the player to know from the get-go. So, I think it's fine not knowing what the first chapter will be even if there's progress in the rest of the story, maybe the prologue should be the last thing we write... Anyway, great video, I know you will go big if you keep it up like this, content quality is fantastic!!
Great video, Moon :) I loved seeing the many examples you brought side by side-that was my favourite part of the vid, just having a wide breadth of different approaches to compare. Gave me a good sense of perspective. Please keep 'em coming! After all this exploration, do you have a favourite first page?
Thank you so much! That's great to hear! And what's my favorite first page? 🤔 I'll have to think about that one. There were several I really enjoyed, so I'm going to have to narrow it down.
5:00 This whiplash feeling can be used to your advantage. The promised neverland uses this in episode 1. No detailed spoilers but it starts in a nice friendly way and the ending of episode 1 is sooo dark.
Oh, I definitely agree! I was actually going to talk about this specifically because I do see a lot of animes have that kind of tone shift, but the video was getting pretty long. I think a whole video on tone would be a lot of fun.
I believe its call Kishōtenketsu. Its a popular Asian story telling format that doesn't require conflict and normally reveals a twist early in the story that hooks the reader/veiwer
@@aweetodd It’s pretty much establishing one tone that is opposite to the hook or something similar to the hook early on. You establish one tone and then there’s a jarring change to another tone like in the promised neverland. The sheer contrast of tones gives it a strong punch. It’s more memorable. It stays with you longer. It hits you deeper. Something similar was done on a smaller and shorter scale in the movie whiplash with Miles Teller and J.K Simmons. The instructor seemed nice and patient at first but then lashed out and threw a chair and Miles’ character. It was unexpected and hit us deeper because of the previous establish character and tone of the character was turned on it’s head.
@appledough3843 that makes a lot of sense. It's been a minute since i looked into it but from how I understand it. The main point of the format is after the hook/twist the story focuses on the characters and how they react to it so i can see how the whiplash needs to be impactful
@@aweetodd Yeah and I think it’s also better to do something like this early on rather than later in the story because you’re not yet invested in the tone established. It’s easier for audiences to accept that the tone was changed early on. But if you change the tone halfway through the story the change might be too jarring that it will upset audiences. So that might be why I see this writing tool being done early on in stories. But that’s just me
Hmmm, I gotta be honest, I don't know how to describe the tone of my fantasy story. It can be fun, lighthearted, silly, even wholesome at times but then have moments or even storylines that are beak, sad, horrific, and tragic. My story is meant to be a comic series so it's hard to pin down one overall tone. While I take inspiration from works like Harry Potter and Percy Jackson, I've also been inspired by various anime which gets away with a lot that we over here in the west wouldn't consider appropriate for children. I don't plan to kill characters off left and right like Game of Thrones, but death is a possibility, and it can be graphic. It's a fantasy story with monsters so the world is dangerous which my characters learn even though they're only 12. I considered using a prologue to introduce the danger of my world, but I didn't want to jump right into that. I like having a buildup even if the readers are already expecting it. For setting, I have this well worked out for the main setting of the story. I have an idea in mind for the first chapter but it's still subject to change. The one thing I was actually avoiding is talking about the magic. At first, I wasn't sure how to introduce the magic in the very beginning of the story. Since my first issue basically makes up chapter one and two of the story, I was thinking about saving magic for chapter two and not mentioning it in one. However, magic isn't a surprise to my MC. In fact, she grew up around magic, but before the start of the story she experienced a traumatic event connected to magic. I am the type of writer that prefers to show important things in memorable way, instead of telling them. The first time the readers see the magic should stay with them. However, I might be able to get away with this since the magic will be introduced in the same issue. I know my main character pretty well. I have her backstory and important character traits including flaws. As I said, my character starts the story traumatized. Only a few months ago, she saw her sister get killed right in front of her and she blames herself because this happened because she didn't listen. Not only is she still grieving, but she feels guilty. Now she's being sent away for her own safety. All I know for sure is that I want the first chapter to reflect her state of mind. The setting opens in a brightly lit room and my MC is wearing a winter coat which she zips up signaling that it's winter and cold in this room. It is night also. Visually, the colors will be toned down. How I see it, the character is getting a chance to start over so, when she gets to where she's going, there's a shift in this setting. Again, my character is only 12 so this is a lot for her.
I found this channel through your video on magic systems. So far I'm enjoying this one too but your pronunciation of "Carribean" is kind of taking me out of it. Where are you from that you pronounce it Ka-ruh-been instead of Ka-Ruh-Bee-Uhn as it should be? Is this some kind of local dialect thing?
To be honest, when I'm talking about the actual location I will pronounce it the second way, but the trailer for the movie pronounces it the first way so I just can't hear it any other way. I thought all of North America pronounced it that way.
@moonangel97 just checked the trailer. It does not say ka-ruh-been. If anything i think you're the only person in north america to pronounce it this way.
Favorite line so far, “Why would I care about the magic system if I don’t know if I care about the character?” Great thought and question.
In video games it's noticeable when the tutorial/first level (or the "first chapter" of the game) is carefully planned and when it's not. Ideally, it's one of the last things done so the tutorial can include what the entire game requires the player to know from the get-go. So, I think it's fine not knowing what the first chapter will be even if there's progress in the rest of the story, maybe the prologue should be the last thing we write...
Anyway, great video, I know you will go big if you keep it up like this, content quality is fantastic!!
Thanks so much! And I totally agree. Sometimes it's best to just skip your first chapter entirely until you have the rest of the story fleshed out.
Great video, Moon :) I loved seeing the many examples you brought side by side-that was my favourite part of the vid, just having a wide breadth of different approaches to compare. Gave me a good sense of perspective. Please keep 'em coming!
After all this exploration, do you have a favourite first page?
Thank you so much! That's great to hear! And what's my favorite first page? 🤔 I'll have to think about that one. There were several I really enjoyed, so I'm going to have to narrow it down.
Moon Angel: "you guys should read read read!"
Me: It's so cool that Moon Angel does all the work for me.
🤣 Glad I could be of service!
Just found your channel. Great videos and i look forward to watching more from you
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This whiplash feeling can be used to your advantage. The promised neverland uses this in episode 1. No detailed spoilers but it starts in a nice friendly way and the ending of episode 1 is sooo dark.
Oh, I definitely agree! I was actually going to talk about this specifically because I do see a lot of animes have that kind of tone shift, but the video was getting pretty long. I think a whole video on tone would be a lot of fun.
I believe its call Kishōtenketsu. Its a popular Asian story telling format that doesn't require conflict and normally reveals a twist early in the story that hooks the reader/veiwer
@@aweetodd
It’s pretty much establishing one tone that is opposite to the hook or something similar to the hook early on. You establish one tone and then there’s a jarring change to another tone like in the promised neverland. The sheer contrast of tones gives it a strong punch. It’s more memorable. It stays with you longer. It hits you deeper.
Something similar was done on a smaller and shorter scale in the movie whiplash with Miles Teller and J.K Simmons. The instructor seemed nice and patient at first but then lashed out and threw a chair and Miles’ character. It was unexpected and hit us deeper because of the previous establish character and tone of the character was turned on it’s head.
@appledough3843 that makes a lot of sense. It's been a minute since i looked into it but from how I understand it. The main point of the format is after the hook/twist the story focuses on the characters and how they react to it so i can see how the whiplash needs to be impactful
@@aweetodd
Yeah and I think it’s also better to do something like this early on rather than later in the story because you’re not yet invested in the tone established. It’s easier for audiences to accept that the tone was changed early on. But if you change the tone halfway through the story the change might be too jarring that it will upset audiences. So that might be why I see this writing tool being done early on in stories. But that’s just me
atleast it got the red pyramid and the lost hero in that book collection even if it didn't got the lightning thief
I understand your point about Arcane but like you said she’s a side character I don’t think it would have fit well an where else prior
Interesting 🤔 Interesting 🧐
Books really can say so much,
with so little 😅
Hmmm, I gotta be honest, I don't know how to describe the tone of my fantasy story. It can be fun, lighthearted, silly, even wholesome at times but then have moments or even storylines that are beak, sad, horrific, and tragic. My story is meant to be a comic series so it's hard to pin down one overall tone. While I take inspiration from works like Harry Potter and Percy Jackson, I've also been inspired by various anime which gets away with a lot that we over here in the west wouldn't consider appropriate for children. I don't plan to kill characters off left and right like Game of Thrones, but death is a possibility, and it can be graphic. It's a fantasy story with monsters so the world is dangerous which my characters learn even though they're only 12. I considered using a prologue to introduce the danger of my world, but I didn't want to jump right into that. I like having a buildup even if the readers are already expecting it.
For setting, I have this well worked out for the main setting of the story. I have an idea in mind for the first chapter but it's still subject to change. The one thing I was actually avoiding is talking about the magic. At first, I wasn't sure how to introduce the magic in the very beginning of the story. Since my first issue basically makes up chapter one and two of the story, I was thinking about saving magic for chapter two and not mentioning it in one. However, magic isn't a surprise to my MC. In fact, she grew up around magic, but before the start of the story she experienced a traumatic event connected to magic. I am the type of writer that prefers to show important things in memorable way, instead of telling them. The first time the readers see the magic should stay with them. However, I might be able to get away with this since the magic will be introduced in the same issue.
I know my main character pretty well. I have her backstory and important character traits including flaws. As I said, my character starts the story traumatized. Only a few months ago, she saw her sister get killed right in front of her and she blames herself because this happened because she didn't listen. Not only is she still grieving, but she feels guilty. Now she's being sent away for her own safety. All I know for sure is that I want the first chapter to reflect her state of mind. The setting opens in a brightly lit room and my MC is wearing a winter coat which she zips up signaling that it's winter and cold in this room. It is night also. Visually, the colors will be toned down. How I see it, the character is getting a chance to start over so, when she gets to where she's going, there's a shift in this setting. Again, my character is only 12 so this is a lot for her.
Hey Moon, your videos are very quiet compared to all other sounds my computer makes ^^'
I found this channel through your video on magic systems. So far I'm enjoying this one too but your pronunciation of "Carribean" is kind of taking me out of it. Where are you from that you pronounce it Ka-ruh-been instead of Ka-Ruh-Bee-Uhn as it should be?
Is this some kind of local dialect thing?
To be honest, when I'm talking about the actual location I will pronounce it the second way, but the trailer for the movie pronounces it the first way so I just can't hear it any other way. I thought all of North America pronounced it that way.
@moonangel97 just checked the trailer. It does not say ka-ruh-been.
If anything i think you're the only person in north america to pronounce it this way.