RC Plane Showdown: Turbo Timber vs Turbo Timber Evolution
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- Опубліковано 28 лип 2024
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I've seen some content on these two birds, but I don't think I've seen anyone do a real heads up comparison of what they're both really capable of. Fair warning, my Turbo Timber isn't stock. Neither is the Evolution. Both feature upgraded servos, both use the same Avian ESC, and both were flying the same 12x6 Beaver propeller. Let's go over the differences between them and finally see what the true differences are between slats and no slats, too.
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0:00 Introduction & Timber vs Timber Comparisons
3:00 Turbo Timber Takeoff w/ Reversed Ailerons (Stupidity)
3:45 Crash Landing & Post-flight Investigation
4:40 TT Evo Preflight & Hangar 18 Callout
6:20 TT Evo Takeoff & Tail Heavy Productions Callout
6:42 Servo Talk
7:04 Roll Rate w/o Slats, KE Pass
7:21 Snap Rolls
7:50 G-force Measurement (11.1 Gs)
8:20 KE Spin Test (CG Needs Adjustment)
8:42 Low High Alpha KE Passes
9:04 ESC Temperature Check & Snap Roll
9:25 Low KE Circles
10:00 Nose-heavy Hovering
11:20 ESC Timing, Low Battery Hovering Attempts
12:00 Crow Landing, Post-flight Chat
13:07 Diagnosing Gremlins in the Turbo Timber
16:22 Turbo Timber Takeoff (AS3X Disabled), Torque Roll
16:40 Loose Receiver Test
17:02 KE Spin w/ Slats
17:19 Harrier KE
17:50 KE Pass
18:20 Snap to Flat Spin Crash Landing
18:40 Aftermath
19:04 Takeoff w/ Damaged Wire Spring, Hovering
20:03 Correct Flat Spin Exit
20:20 Landing, Post-flight
21:14 TT Evo Preflight
22:05 TT Evo Takeoff
22:22 Level Speed Test (77.1 MPH)
22:51 Dive Speed Test (82.6 MPH)
23:32 Torque Rolling
23:50 More Torque Rolling, Hangar 18 Callout
24:31 Low Power Hovering Attempts
24:54 High Alpha KE Passes
25:20 Neutral CG KE Spin, Waggle KE Pass
25:55 Crow Landing, Post-flight\Preflight Chat
27:25 CG Demonstration
27:45 TT Evo Takeoff
28:05 Hover Attempt, Torque Rolls
29:00 Full Speed Snap Roll
19:15 Flat Spin w/o Slats, Exit Differences
29:40 Blender, Inverted Exit
30:44 Torque Roll, ESC Overheat Crash Landing
31:10 Post-flight Chat
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Great video Jon!!! Such an amazing and highly detailed video! Lot of info! And you put it amazingly! Dang! Crazy how your servos got reversed. Glad you got it back! Well done!
Preflights fix all things. That's the major takeaway here. Thanks man!
@@TwoBrosRC
But sometimes WE wanna fly soooo bad, we forget those! 🤯🤪. I am extremely guilty of THAT, especially with a new bird! WE always assume that everything is 👍 since last flight, BUT! (Think im gonna add an 'event' to EVERY one of my planes. Today! 🤯)
Like flying inverted, right side up! 🤪🤪🤪
Preflight control check is a thing! Every flight! Good recovery.
It is. Better to get that reminder on an older cheap airframe than a very expensive model.
Great video, we have the old Turbo Timber but we leave it on floats - looks way better and great fun flying off the sea. The Evo looks much better with its red scheme.
Not that I haven’t done the same thing, but that’s why preflight and simple control surface check are so important! You did an amazing job not panicking, staying with it, and getting it back on the ground without a catastrophic impact. Your skills are amazing. 👍🏻
Thanks Randy! The ability to not panic and fly a model to the ground is critical which is why we keep trying to teach people how to overcome the anxiety response and get a model down safely.
Jon. Great stuff.. I've had my TT for over a year. Amazing plane and incredibly versatile.. I really enjoy watching you push planes to their limit, even the cleaver reverse servo flying... :-)
Clever is such a nice way of saying "dumb" lol
Great save. I did same mistake twice on brand new planes. I swore to myself I must preflight the servos at least twice prior take off.
both brilliant planes,great flying dude 👌 👍 👍
Thanks man! Though I think we can both agree that it's not exactly brilliant to take off without a preflight check first. ;)
@@TwoBrosRC agreed 😀👍
On rich's evo, we moved the esc as far forward as it would go, & added a tad of hot glue in each side just enough to make it stay put. Originally, ppl were using humongous 5000mah batteries & the air flow TO the esc was blocked from the bigger packs. Once everyone seen that, & went down to a 3000mah or less, (& moved their esc's forward), overheating stopped being an issue. Also the spinners dont let a lot (enuf, IMHO!), air thru the fuselage. Temps go down 60+ degrees without the outer spinner on (WE have tested that!), BUT theres gotta be a better way to get airflow, & keep the spinner. Gotta be.
But, moving the esc forward, & using a smaller mah pack, DOES cool the esc better than the stock location.
In my case I removed the two foam blocks connecting the fuselage together to add additional airflow routes, then glued one of the blocks back down in front of the tray and affixed the ESC to the block using double-sided tape. I'll go over all of this soon!
After melting down the stock 800kv motor on my TT Evo’ I followed the HH advice to move the esc all the way forward. I replaced the dead motor with a 900kv unit from a Night Timber and added the IC3 6 inch extension lead to the esc IC3 connector. My solution to gain more airflow over the esc was to add venting to the black hood section of the battery hatch. For this I took a $6 ASW-17 air intake (FMMEB108) spare part I had and cut the hatch hood to accept it flush and glued it in. It’s worked great, never once overheated again, and looks kinda cool too.
Awesome review and showcase of what this plane can do in the hands of an expert pilot.
I am considering to buy either this Timber Evo or the Maule M7. I prefer the looks of the Maule by a large margin but I am concerned about max flight time and flight envelope.
What would you recommend between them?
Timber if you're wanting a more rugged airframe with better servos. Maule if you want a fast model with good looks.
I clicked on this video hoping to learn about Turbo Timers vs Turbo Timbers lol. I thought it was a new option for cooling your turbo cars after shut off. Either way I enjoyed this video very much :).
Lol I was hoping the thumbnail made it focused more on the aviation audience, but I appreciate you!
@@TwoBrosRC All good, excellent video. Used to fly some of the first foamies back in the day like the Horizon Super Cub, and F4U Corsair with my old school DX6i lol. These things have come a long way since I was into it.
100%. My first experience with flying was 35 years ago when I was 3 and my mother thought giving a three year old a gas model was a great idea. I have the distinct memory of it being in a tree and on fire. Times certainly changed.
You mentioned changing the timing for the Turbo evo. What are some good guidelines to follow with E-flights timing options? I fly aggressive in a hot climate.
5 timing is good for just about anything on a prop like this.
Hi again Jon, I wanted to ask for your take on what the slats actually do for the turbo timber evo. I'm a new pilot and noticed this timber is pretty heavy and you can't do a tight turn on approach at slow speeds (like I could on my first plane, the apprentice S2).. Hoping that the slats will actually help with that, but again, I don't know what the slats do and can't find any info on it. So, hoping you can help explain how they change the flight experience! I'm still flying in safe mode btw. Thx
Slats are supposed to help keep airflow moving smoothly over the wing at higher angles of attack. In practice, while they do help fly the plane slower and at higher angles of attack, they interfere with the roll and also tend to introduce some adverse yaw characteristics to the model. I highly suggest not flying with them. If you want slow flight, pull the flap servos out, then set the radio for 150% up and down travel on the flaps. Reposition the flap servo arms to pull the flap against the wing at 150% up, and so that it extends fully at 150% down. You'll get way more flap travel and it'll help with slow flight so long as you're holding thrust.
Hey Jon, great video. I now have the Evo as a second plane after a Carbon Cub. I've made most of the modifications recommended by you and Tail Heavy but I would really like to know how you achieved the Crow configuration and what is
involved in swapping out the Servos. Do you have a tech video on this? I couldn't find one. Cheers
Check out our setup video on the Timber Evo - all the relevant info is in there and in the comments.
Jon, how did you lube the pushrod tubes? They are sticky on my Timber X.
Going over it soon on the Timber setup guide. Long story short, though, remove the pushrod from the sleeve and reinsert it with SuperLube (or your own preferred oil) dripping on it constantly until the rod is reinserted completely. It'll move a lot more freely and reduce servo loads too.
Evo all day long for me. The top loading alone is worth it.
It's definitely my clear winner, too. Just a shame that the stock setup overheats as badly as it does. 13x4 seems to alleviate it, though.
Flying buddy got 1 of the 1st ones. He discovered that the wings are 'wrapped'. As in a shrinkable decal that goes over the outer part & adds a ton of strength TO the wings. I didn't know that until he showed me. 🤯🤪👍
cut my very old Timber top to make it load the battery from the top, now much nicer for this ole fart
Nice recovery on the reversed ailerons! Noticed you were down at an old seldom used airfield North of Fuquay. Is that an acceptable place to fly RC or do you have special connections down there?
We're buddies with the pilots and have permission to fly there. Otherwise we'd have been kicked out a year ago. ;) Thanks!
Evolution for sure!!!!
Yes, but the **why** is what we'll discover.
@@TwoBrosRC Yep! I like the automatic plug in wiring so it’s not a mess like the first Timbers LOL. And the better landing gear and the lights, the scheme etc etc I could go on ! 😂
Ive flown both, neither mine, & the evo i do like more. (Top loading battery! 👍👋👋👋). But box stock vs box stock, the evo feels more responsive (newer electronics probably.) The old 1 was/is very floaty feeling to me.
How strong would you say the turbo timber evolution's wheels are? ive seen reviews saying they break easy and all the parts are on backorder
The wheels are pretty strong. The gear wire is the only weak point. Don't land like a meteor and you probably won't have any issues at all. It takes a lot of force to break the wire.
I’ve found the wheels to be fine, you’ll stretch the wire springs first and bend the axles before you ever destroy a wheel that’s for sure.
@@howiedenton2709 I probably should’ve said the gear itself like
The springs, I didn’t mean the wheels themselves LOL
Can you do a video on changing the ESC timing?
It's really simple and Tom covered ESC programming already via ua-cam.com/video/5SdE2Ok2TRU/v-deo.html, but I could do it with my on-screen IX20 window and probably explain it a bit faster. I'll consider it!
@@TwoBrosRC thanks for the link. Easy enough. I wanted to set that timing down. Mine has been running very hot.
A better fix is to adjust the nose of the model a bit and change out the prop. I'll go over this in the setup vid.
@@TwoBrosRC cool. I’ll enjoy that!
@@LoveRC Coming tomorrow at 930a EDT as requested. Includes call-out setup info too along with a whole suite of Timber-specific setup info.
Oh my can't believe that got past you guess that is why you call it out on preflight only your amazing stick and rudder skills saved that baby and only a Nick in the wing tip 👍✌️
Sometimes I catch the dumb. Thankfully it's not often. Preflight is important!
Have u flown the valiant ? I have mine with a eflite power 10 and full span aileron and is honestly more fun and aerobatic Than the timber IMO, it will also hover on just a 3s battery
I've been wanting to fudge around with it. I bet I could make it do some crazy stuff.
@@TwoBrosRC u should get one, it’s a much lighter and agile air frame than the timber. I even have the timber wheel on it so it does grass and off-road landing really well
hi. I'm wondering how long you can drive the turbo timber aggressively before the esc will overheat.
Depends on the setup.
Thanks for the video. The specs on my hobby shop website say "fits 2200mAh 3S to 5000mAh 4S batteries". The wording feels misleading - is there an issue running a 3200mah 3s?
3 cell packs have far less thrust, but also less wing loading. They'd be a good choice if you're trying to fly in confined areas.
@@TwoBrosRC thanks. I am in a confined area (public oval) but if a 3s is enough for hovering and 3d flying, my question is can I use a 3200mah 3s lipo in this plane because the website seems to imply not, and I'm new to learning about lipos and esc configurations.
id chose the Evolution Alone just for its larger Top Loading Battery Set Up
Top loading is absolutely a benefit. That was less of a draw for me than how Horizon kept the innards open so I could shove a battery all the way back to the receiver. *That* is one of the major keys to getting this model to perform.
Jon that thing gave you hell didn't it lol. It happens all for the love of the Hobbie. I have the UMX turbo Timber and had my elevator mix backwards so when I let down the flaps the elevator would give up lift instead of down. So it went straight up I was trying to correct and fell straight to the ground 😆 broke it a little bit but got it back in the air and couldn't land the darn thing, took me till the next day to figure it out though. Now she Flys like a champ
It does happen, which is unfortunate. You can usually prevent it by thorough preflight checks. My hubris got the best of me here.
@@TwoBrosRC Ditto, was trying to show off in front of my son and got slapped with reality. But that situation doesn't compare to when I just about chopped off half the wing with my P-51 even before maiden flight and fresh out of its box for just a few hours. LOL.
@@ltfadl1 Yoof. Hope that was an easy fix!
Are the parts interchangeable between these planes? e.g. can I put the wings and elevator on the old timber on to the new timber evolution?
Yep! Everything but the gear.
What do you mean by the gear? Landing gear?
@@edgaratkins4588 Yes
WOW!!!...that aileron reversal mistake was exciting !!!!!....were you having to fight against the AS3X stabilization during that reversal also?.. anyway, you did a nice job on getting it back down and a lesson learned I am guessing ......great side by side review of these two planes and although I would really like to get an Evolution......the Timber X BNF was on sale , so I grabbed it for a lot less .....QUESTION: I am not exactly a beginner , but I am still somewhat a new pilot...I also practice a lot on the simulator ( RF ) ........do you think with 50% rates and 30 % expo and adding the wing slats, it tames the Timber X enough for a newer pilot ..should I try to modify the gear in someway, as I have heard the mains are weak..... any helpful advise / tips for my maiden would be greatly appreciated .................thanks again
Mistake is definitely a nice way to put it. Utter stupidity is what I personally call it. I just forgot to preflight check when I should have. It's always the time you think you don't need to do it that you need to do it the most.
I wouldn't fly the Timber X with slats - it won't tame it down for flying, it'll make it feel sluggish in the air. Reducing rates also won't help much. You're better off using high rates with high levels of expo (50%+) to tame down the surfaces so moving in the midpoints of the sticks doesn't cause you to overcontrol. This is all IMO, though - you'll have to experiment with what kind of dead zone you like on your transmitter using expo.
I thought you'd reverse the servo's in the air... I'm not even sure if that's possible? It seems like it's in the first menu while still connected to the model? Either way it's beyond my intermediate abilities... good job!😊
It would be possible if one could think backward long enough to get into the transmitter setup and fix the reverse issue while still flying with backward stick movements.
This is the second or third video where people have changed the prop on this plane. Why do they sell it with a 3 blade prop if a 2 blade is better for it?
Because it looks like a turboprop if it uses a third blade. 12x6 and 13x4 are significantly more efficient compared to the stock setup.
How did you rewire the connectors to get crow ailerons?
For which model?
@@TwoBrosRC the evolution.
I covered it in the setup: ua-cam.com/video/EGd33bufNGU/v-deo.html
hello, I bought a 2800 4s 30C battery. Do you think this battery is good for a turbo timer?
Sure, that should work fine.
@@TwoBrosRCthanks
What transmitter are you using
IX20SE: bit.ly/3BI3eBD
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Hey man, thanks for the candid feedback. I try not to be dishonest with my viewers. There's no incentive for me to do so. I don't have anything I fly for free - any models I fly wherein I talk about Hangar 18 are just discounted models provided to me to talk about the shop. I can say or do whatever I want. It works out well - because you get to see what these models can really do, and I don't have any disincentive to be truthful about their capabilities.
If I get to a point where companies sponsor me, my primary requirement is going to be keeping the channel identical to how it is now. I'm not interested in giving up my autonomy.
I had to start my lanier Lazer upside down because the engine was inverted. Therefore I didn't realize until I was on the taxi way that the rudder was backwards. I started flipping control surface switches from 1 to 4. Well the rudder was four but the throttle was three and nobody was holding the plane.
I never made that mistake again.
👀
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Works for me - try again!
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No - thank you, Jeffery! Shopping through that link doesn't cost you anything but it kicks back a small percentage to help fund my crazy little channel. Really appreciate you for that.
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@@RCPlaneNut Much obliged. ❤️
Yes!!!!
👍👍👍👍👍
DA, DA,DA,,,, hedhehehheee
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too many plastic parts on both
It's foam - that's par for the course. There's a lot of carbon fiber in it though.
@@TwoBrosRC not really , the Apprentice S15 did not have as much plastic as the current models. I find the timber series very fragile as compared to Apprentice S15.
I'm not seeing any fragility issues here - at least not in my experiences so far.
@@TwoBrosRC what about the leading edge slats?
Theres always wood/balsa planes have the only plastic in em are the propellers. BUT, assembly time is a bit longer than a foam version. 😳😄😎😁